Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

Wisdom · Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:03 pm

@uctriton
Mala isn't scum. And heph never voted you.

@Shinobi
Posting things like that is not going to make people not listen to me, I'm afraid.

Wisdom · Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:08 pm

In post 1694, uctriton00 wrote:Heph read? It went from him playing his meta, now he placed a bad vote in me (kinda like you just did now).

So you changed your read on him just because he posted "uctriton is scum"?
Why didn't you engage him like you did with Shinobi?
And why is Mala's vote "bad" now?

Wisdom · Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:13 pm

Then why not say that instead of saying that your read changed because of his (non-existent) vote?

Wisdom · Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:20 pm

Blah.

uctriton is going to back to my scumreads, and I hate that.

Wisdom · Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:24 pm

Anyway, I'll ignore how bad your posts are being right now.

Why are you still voting josh? Wanna vote Shinobi?

Wisdom · Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:26 pm

So maybe you can vote him instead. Maybe it will make him answer.

Wisdom · Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:32 pm

I don't like how you're scared about how your actions will be taken.

Wisdom · Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:35 pm

Like, "okay okay I'll vote Shinobi but I'm kinda scared that you will use this to call me scum"

wtf, if you're town just vote Shinobi and don't care about anything

Wisdom · Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:38 pm

Though, tbf, the fact you're open with it is slightly better than it would be if I only caught a subtle fear of that in your posts.

Wisdom · Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:51 pm

In post 1724, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Josh gave 96 hours before his intention to self-hammer. So we had 4 days, with Josh under good pressure at L-1 (which is what you say you wanted) but you unvoted straight away. Why? You relieved a lot of the pressure on someone you wanted supposedly wanted there to be pressure on.

I wanted pressure on him when I voted him. When he was at L-1 I was already done reading him.
The 96 hours he gave are irrelevant. If he was scum, he could self-hammer at any point.

You have not pushed Pea hard. I haven't seen you trying to build his wagon up. You have always made sure your attention is focused on two things when it involves Pea.

My attention is on getting reads. Pea was not here to further engage him.

You haven't attacked many people. You have attacked Josh and attacked Pea. Is there anybody else you have attacked to the same level?

You and Shinobi.

Wisdom · Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:09 am

I don't care to continue this exchange.

Wisdom · Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:44 am

You're incredibly talented in making people demotivated to play.

Wisdom · Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:06 am

Please don't, goodmorning. Just ignore this guy and catch up. I'm tired of having nobody to talk to.

Wisdom · Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:38 am

Caught up?

Why is Shinobi null and not scum? Like your reads otherwise

Wisdom · Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:53 pm

Josh, you said somewhere that BBT and Shinobi pushing similar cases on different people likely makes them scum? Can you explain this again?

Wisdom · Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:01 pm

Doesn't sound like a natural town thought process. Even if I buy that you saw uctriton was town through your 1v1, I cannot justify you for not ever pushing or questioning him again ever. Your eyes should be on him all the time just for the case that your conclusion he is town was wrong. And what did you do? Label him as town and forgot about him.

Which makes much more sense if you are scum and you just wanted to appease him.

Wisdom · Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:33 pm

This made zero sense, really

Wisdom · Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:38 pm

Yeah, I'm not you, but it still does not make sense from a town perspective. You dropped the scumread too easily, and notably you did it when someone mentioned that the 1v1 might be town vs town. And since then you haven't cared about rereading uctriton despite him not being what you'd call the towniest player in the game.

It makes total sense that you did that to appease uctriton. "Come on dude, let's stop fighting, I think you're town now, so please think I'm town too"

And yeah, I'm not attacking you for supporting a wagon on josh, so that made no sense.

Wisdom · Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:15 pm

In post 1765, Shinobi wrote:
You're doing exactly that: you attacked me for "burying Josh" when he already proved that he was making up reasons to read people.

Noope. I attacked you for having done nothing in the interest of getting reads all day.

Wisdom · Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:16 am

Dunno how much I agree with all of this, as it is dangerously close to speculation, but I think they're both scum anyway so whatevs.

Wisdom · Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:36 am

gm, we can't lynch them both today. Can we do Shinobi first?

Wisdom · Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:56 am

look at the scum trying to save shinobi

Wisdom · Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:58 am

uctriton if you're town plz stahp. its pretty obvious bbt is trying to counterwagon to save shinobi. Josh is town.

Wisdom · Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:00 am

Yeah because I had nothing better to do than bus both of my mates then magically change my reads on both

10/10 BBT, would read again

Wisdom · Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:01 am

shinobi/bbt/heph

bank

Wisdom · Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:02 am

I must be so awesome doing stuff like that

Wisdom · Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:06 am

If anyone is scum among those three, it's pea.

But I doubt it given you and shinobi are, so

Wisdom · Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:07 am

although josh is back to making terrible posts and i have to resist the urge to rethink he might be scum

Wisdom · Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:44 am

yeah damnit we have to think of a better plan now

Wisdom · Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:50 am

I am long done explaining anything to you

Wisdom · Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:39 am

uct, pea, josh

Wisdom · Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:47 am

Not very much, especially Pea, but they probably are

Wisdom · Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:27 pm

In post 1828, Malakittens wrote:

Shinobi is town

Why?

Wisdom · Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:01 pm

Wisdom · Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:09 pm

Beast didn't, you are prolly lying tho

Wisdom · Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:10 pm

In post 1866, davesaz wrote:@Mala, it's important for us to have a detailed explanation of your BBT and Shinobi reads, because they're coming up a solid scum read for multiple people. I in particular could use some input because I'm seeing multiple sets of people who could be town who are agreeing with each other or could be scum together.

This, really. They're scum, Mala.

Wisdom · Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:11 pm

In post 1869, Shinobi wrote:We're probably just going to end up lynching somebody boring like Peabody or something.

And I still don't know what the case on him is.

You wish. You're the lynch.

Wisdom · Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:14 pm

In post 1876, Malakittens wrote:He also townslipped IMO in the beginning of D2. I know it's weak, but if he was scum and he was talking to his partners about who we should kill etc he would have remembered that someone was dead.

He's not capable of faking it?

Wisdom · Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:20 pm

In post 1860, Shinobi wrote:Wisdom, I have a question for you whenever you're around:

You said that my post on the fight between triton/me wasn't a normal townie thought process. Why did it change from a townie thing that you commented on when you were catching up? You commented on my #583 and it was pretty much the same reasoning in regards to two different players, but now it's fake. Why?

I explained what I initially found town about you in the 1v1 with uct. It wasn't how you ended up townreading him out of nowhere.

583 is irrelevant. I said I liked how you tried to stop a 1v1 there.

Wisdom · Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:32 pm

It seems to me that it does

I don't make cases when they aren't needed

Wisdom · Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:28 am

Because he thinks you two are scum and he thought so on his own, long before I said anything. So he doesn't care in the slightest that I'm also pushing you, because he realizes he might just be wrong about scumreading me.

Wisdom · Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:39 am

Anytime!

Wisdom · Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:28 pm

Why what?

I'm fed up with BBT's pointless questioning.

Wisdom · Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:35 pm

When something is obvious and the person asking the question is asking just for the sake of it, I'll answer. Idc.

BBT has asked tons of questions like that this game, where he knows the answer but he just has to ask something.

Wisdom · Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:09 pm

Yeh we're waiting for Nero before we lynch Shinobi and you

Wisdom · Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:52 am

In post 1921, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Well, I'm talking shit and not paying attention.

I'm voting Josh.

I'm happy with that vote after Josh's recent flurry of posts because I don't see the town motivation behind him trying to find out who the Masons are.

You're basically narrowing the pool for scum to kill from to find out who the Masons are.

i lold

youre not even trying anymore

Wisdom · Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:53 am

guys ffs what are we waiting for

There havent been more obvious scum in the universe than these two

Wisdom · Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:15 am

I don't mind either

Wisdom · Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:20 am

Nobody does. Cases are for newbies.

Wisdom · Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:18 pm

In post 1942, Peabody wrote:I don't want Shinobi lynched. I will not switch to him.

this post gives me terrible vibes really

Wisdom · Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:44 pm

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BBT

I can't shake the feeling that peabody is going for towncred after a Shinobi townflip. That post sounded like neither town disagreeing with a wagon nor a scumbuddy.

Wisdom · Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:29 pm

I might be wrong and he could be town expressing himself in the worst possible (imo) way. Can't rule that out. Still, it's enough to make me lynch you before Shinobi.

Wisdom · Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:59 am

UNVOTE:

Wisdom · Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:34 pm

So I was right in stopping my tunneling on pea and Josh.. Only to go and scumread the masons next. Yay fail

Wisdom · Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:10 am

Can't talk about that, game still ongoing

Wisdom · Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:39 am

Prolly because you didn't make any sense. I replaced out the moment I got the suspicion of outside info so my reads were never affected by that