Open 562.1: C9++ endgame

morph the cat · Post Post #953 (isolation #0) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:09 am

hi guys.

Anyone want to summarize key points so far? Stuff I should pay close attention to while I catch up? Claims, etc?

morph the cat · Post Post #956 (isolation #1) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:15 am

and venrob claimed the beastcharizard kill?

morph the cat · Post Post #958 (isolation #2) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:36 am

ok. back in a few hours.

morph the cat · Post Post #965 (isolation #3) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:52 am

In post 75, The Bulge wrote:
In post 43, gameplay506 wrote:PB your too serious and this makes me The way your playing now doesn't resemble your play before at all. And it was your town play.

A playstyle change isn't scummy. Why would she keep her playstyle if it clearly didn't work for her last time? I'm pretty sure she explained this but it seems to have been disregarded.

In post 38, Venrob wrote:Well I'm not scum. Which gives the the gratification that if you do lynch me you get to feel guilty for lynching a townie instead of proud for lynching a maf.

This is bad. AtE this early doesn't come from town. I can see if you are about to be lynched and have run out of defense options, but it should definitely not come from a couple early accusations.

VOTE: venrob

I have my eye on everyone who said anything to the effect of "glad I didn't role ____ again" (venrob, bjc, gameplay)

bjc said the opposite of that.

morph the cat · Post Post #966 (isolation #4) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:05 am

In post 156, The Bulge wrote:Sorry, busy week. Don't have time to catch up in all of my games and limited to mostly phone posting. My exam is tomorrow so I'll be more active after that.

In post 157, gameplay506 wrote:Yep bulge is scum ;/

What was this about?

morph the cat · Post Post #967 (isolation #5) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:24 am

In post 220, vezokpiraka wrote:Votecount
The Bulge(1): Beck
Beck(2): Princess Bubblegum, bjc
Bullish(5): Elmo Teh Azn, beastcharizard, theelkspeaks, reinoe, venrob
Venrob(2): The Bulge, havingfitz
Theelkspeaks(2): gameplay506, Wolfy
Wolfy(1): Bullish

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

quoting this because.

morph the cat · Post Post #972 (isolation #6) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:17 am

In post 271, gameplay506 wrote:Tbh if Bullish hadnt reguested that replacement and didn't refuse to give any reads I would have unvoted by now. The explanation Bullish made wasn't that crappy and he reminds me of myself when I was lost in a game like that. But still I have already seen a lot of scum ( inexperienced) reguesting replacement because they cant save their slot and dont want to get lynched. Also the analysis on this wagon will be very helpful too. Tjat is why if somebody wants to hammer he should say he intends to do so. I just want to see what reads can squirrel give us before that tho.

This is a lot of justification for something that I didn't see you challenged on.

morph the cat · Post Post #977 (isolation #7) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:21 am

In post 970, AngryPidgeon wrote:Cabd, town or scum? Answer honestly please.

What do you expect to learn from the answer?

And why did you ask Cabd rather than me?

morph the cat · Post Post #980 (isolation #8) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:24 am

I'm still catching up.

Just read through the Bullish ragequit and Squirrel Girl replacing in.

In post 271, gameplay506 wrote:Tbh if Bullish hadnt reguested that replacement and didn't refuse to give any reads I would have unvoted by now. The explanation Bullish made wasn't that crappy and he reminds me of myself when I was lost in a game like that. But still I have already seen a lot of scum ( inexperienced) reguesting replacement because they cant save their slot and dont want to get lynched. Also the analysis on this wagon will be very helpful too. Tjat is why if somebody wants to hammer he should say he intends to do so. I just want to see what reads can squirrel give us before that tho.

This post bugs me.

morph the cat · Post Post #981 (isolation #9) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:25 am

In post 979, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 977, morph the cat wrote:
In post 970, AngryPidgeon wrote:Cabd, town or scum? Answer honestly please.

What do you expect to learn from the answer?

And why did you ask Cabd rather than me?

Ffery, I forfeit my right to read you after Kagami mafia.

Its done. The ship sailed.

I wasn't hoping to learn anything specific, I'd just rather interact with you guys than read the game right now.

I replaced Cabd in that game. I don't think you have a reads-cabd card in your pocket either.

morph the cat · Post Post #1009 (isolation #10) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:27 am

why do you want a mass claim?

morph the cat · Post Post #1012 (isolation #11) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:28 am

I'm going to have to give a shit about the set up, aren't I?

morph the cat · Post Post #1016 (isolation #12) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:41 am

In post 304, reinoe wrote:
In post 303, Beck wrote:Links to games where you have talked about this.

as town unless you aren't very good, there's no reason to change what works.

Talked about it? nope. I'm just doing it. Peruse my wiki and you can see the playstyle changes yourself.

Then why did you mention it this game?

morph the cat · Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:11 am

In post 1019, Riddleton wrote:And I should also point out that the mafia can not kill and roleblock on the same night

Is this a thing?

morph the cat · Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:20 am

In post 569, reinoe wrote:VOTE: SquirrelGirl

With only an hour left 'till deadline I do not believe SquirrelGirl has done enough to rehab the slot.

I don't like this vote reason.

morph the cat · Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:28 am

In post 677, gameplay506 wrote:Well I don't give a fuk. This game is cocky as hell. There are 6-7 players who are unreadable, lurky and unhelpful. I prefer to die. I also hope that venrob shoots someone who really is scum
So I am not hammering. Idk if he is sk, scum, vigilante or whatever

This post and some of the others from gameplay right at the end of day 1 come off kinda town.

morph the cat · Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:21 am

In post 1033, Riddleton wrote:
In post 1030, morph the cat wrote:
In post 677, gameplay506 wrote:Well I don't give a fuk. This game is cocky as hell. There are 6-7 players who are unreadable, lurky and unhelpful. I prefer to die. I also hope that venrob shoots someone who really is scum
So I am not hammering. Idk if he is sk, scum, vigilante or whatever

This post and some of the others from gameplay right at the end of day 1 come off kinda town.

True, but you've got to consider you're cherry picking one post out of another 250+ which are one or more of: flaming, VI, scum.

Yes and I've read day 1 and seen quite a few of them.

It's not just the post, itself, it's the post in the context of what was happening at that point. I dunno. Reading through that I thought it would be suicide for scum-gameplay to make a blatant play to save scum-venrob. If venrob is town it makes even less sense for scum-gameplay to make no effort to shift the lynch off himself. If venrob is SK he's still not a teammate of scum-gameplay.

It's p-edit hell in here.

morph the cat · Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:34 am

can y'all slow down and wait on Cabd re massclaim/setup stuff? He should be online again within the hour.

morph the cat · Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:50 am

Can we not hammer just yet? I've got shit I want to do.

morph the cat · Post Post #1086 (isolation #19) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:30 pm

Cabdhead here, catching up.

morph the cat · Post Post #1087 (isolation #20) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:44 pm

From the setup though, and two "I am a PR not saying what" claims on the board plus the one claimed cop we're looking at.. A pretty good chance venrob is a serial killer yeah. Okay.

Also am against massclaim. It is required tomorrow regardless, first thing, draft style. Ffery's told me IRL shit is getting in the way of what she wants to do, so

intent to hammer.

This lynch isn't going anywhere else and I'll be damned if I let the momentum we have here turn into apathyfest 2.0.

morph the cat · Post Post #1089 (isolation #21) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:47 pm

And him posting elsewhere fucking seals it yeah.

P-edit: It means everyone ranks all living players from most to least scum, then you merge those together using a tool online and claims are done in the merged order.

morph the cat · Post Post #1091 (isolation #22) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:48 pm

You or the PR clearing you are the kill tonight most likely, I'd advise both you and him to get your reads out prior to my hammer to be safe.

morph the cat · Post Post #1092 (isolation #23) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:52 pm

In post 1089, morph the cat wrote:P-edit: It means everyone ranks all living players from most to least scum, then you merge those together using a tool online and claims are done in the merged order.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method

morph the cat · Post Post #1094 (isolation #24) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:56 pm

Awesome thanks. Anything else to add before I send us home?

morph the cat · Post Post #1099 (isolation #25) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:15 pm

It was me thinking that the PR clearing you had already given reads, yeah. In my defense I just woke up from a nap because work sucked.

P-edit: If I was a non-town killing role, you'd be a corpse already. Whoever shot at squirrel made a vastly suboptimal kill, hence me thinking scum is in the less experienced people.

morph the cat · Post Post #1103 (isolation #26) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:02 pm

What's the basis of your Elmo read AP?

morph the cat · Post Post #1108 (isolation #27) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:34 pm

In post 1105, Riddleton wrote:-I'm honestly shocked that an experienced hydra doesn't know about C9++, or worse yet, doesn't even know that mafia PRs can not be performed on the same night as a group kill. Seems like trying to feign innocence. I don't believe that you didn't realise the two could not be done at once. (#1023)

A: Neither of us play opens unless begged to by mods. Opens are by far our least favorite type of game, with themes sitting in the forefront. Muffin asked us nicely.

B: You're completely incorrect about the way mafia PRs and groupscum kills work. The same SLOT may not do both, but a team can most certainly kill and use a PR with more than one living member.

morph the cat · Post Post #1110 (isolation #28) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:36 pm

Also welcome to morph, cabd does the live interactions, ffery does the reads and analysis from stuff I generate. When we obtain a reads synch, it will be denoted in the thread. Read up on some of our past games for what I mean by this, if you wish.

morph the cat · Post Post #1111 (isolation #29) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:36 pm

In post 1108, morph the cat wrote:B: You're completely incorrect about the way mafia PRs and groupscum kills work. The same SLOT may not do both, but a team can most certainly kill and use a PR with more than one living member.

And if you don't want to take my word for it, ask the mod.

morph the cat · Post Post #1112 (isolation #30) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:38 pm

In post 1105, Riddleton wrote:morphthecat
-Cherry picks out quotes for Gameplay's innocence (#1030). I'm aware he's made some townish posts but cherry picking out just 1 or 2 isn't going to do him (or you) any favours.
-I'm honestly shocked that an experienced hydra doesn't know about C9++, or worse yet, doesn't even know that mafia PRs can not be performed on the same night as a group kill. Seems like trying to feign innocence. I don't believe that you didn't realise the two could not be done at once. (#1023)
-criticises gameplay (#966,#972) but also defends him by saying some of his posts are town later on. Do you have a solid opinion on GP?

riddleton, I didn't like GP's interactions with SG, and seeing her flip I was predisposed to think gameplay looked scummy.

but his reaction to being run up just doesn't make sense to me coming from a scum mindset.

I'll reread and mull over it tonight on the chance I'm alive to have an opinion tomorrow.

I don't know if Cabd agrees with me on that read, but he knows quite a bit of what I look for in mindset reads.

Also, what he said about the roleblock kill stuff.

I've never played this game format before. I seldom play open games because I prefer the pure setup guesswork of closed setups.

morph the cat · Post Post #1114 (isolation #31) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:41 pm

B: Nope. Read the wiki closer. "Mafia roleblocker may not" not "Mafia may not"

Let's do it this way:

@Mod may a hypothetical mafia team of mafia goon and mafia roleblocker both roleblock and have the goon kill on the same night?

morph the cat · Post Post #1121 (isolation #32) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:28 pm

In post 1109, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 1103, morph the cat wrote:What's the basis of your Elmo read AP?

Half of his ISO is him talking about being apathetic as a n excuse for not being useful. His reads suck, he just jumps around and I can't follow his thoughts or trajectory at any point of it all. He/Reinoe look like a plausible team on top of that. His response to Mafia 1x FV replacing in was really awkward. His suspicion on SG and Elk sucked.

Reading day 1 in context, he hardly made an impression. I went through his ISO after I saw your placement and can kinda see where you're coming from. I should have a firmer read after I finish the final 20 or so pages of catch-up.

morph the cat · Post Post #1155 (isolation #33) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:54 am

In post 1146, Riddleton wrote:Gameplay + Morph + Reinoe. You can thank me later

You'd have a lot more credibility with this list if you weren't misreading this slot and you hadn't led yesterday's mislynch of a PR.

I want a claim from you pretty early in the process.

morph the cat · Post Post #1158 (isolation #34) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:56 am

Also you haven't explained the scum-mindset that makes sense of gameplay's end-of-day-1 play.

morph the cat · Post Post #1162 (isolation #35) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:01 am

In post 1159, gameplay506 wrote:Guys massclaim now! It may be LYLO and we need to find this out now!

Did you post a claim order?

morph the cat · Post Post #1165 (isolation #36) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:04 am

No condorset?

morph the cat · Post Post #1168 (isolation #37) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:06 am

In post 1166, Riddleton wrote:
In post 1163, gameplay506 wrote:Why are you sire there are 3 scum without knowing the setup?

-There can only be 7 numbers chosen
-To be 2 scum roles, there has to be 6 Ts.
-3 people have claimed PRs (me & AP & Wolfy)

Hello? Vig.

morph the cat · Post Post #1169 (isolation #38) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:09 am

I'm also having some trouble understanding why bjc would have been so disengaged as a PR.

morph the cat · Post Post #1173 (isolation #39) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:13 am

In post 1172, Riddleton wrote:
I'm also having some trouble understanding why bjc would have been so disengaged as a PR.

Then go research that theory, instead of sitting there thinking. Meta bjc and see if he does sometimes idle when given a PR.

That's one line of meta investigation already in progress, my friend.

morph the cat · Post Post #1180 (isolation #40) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:46 am

I don't know what post he was responding to.

We did think that either The Bulge or Wolfy were the most likely to be nk'd though, simply based on Wolfy's claim.

morph the cat · Post Post #1181 (isolation #41) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:58 am

riddleton what is your Elmo read?

morph the cat · Post Post #1183 (isolation #42) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:59 am

basis?

morph the cat · Post Post #1188 (isolation #43) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:19 am

I've been trying to decide if riddleton townslipped yesterday re the mafia can't RB and kill on the same night thing.

morph the cat · Post Post #1196 (isolation #44) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:28 am

In post 1188, morph the cat wrote:I've been trying to decide if riddleton townslipped yesterday re the mafia can't RB and kill on the same night thing.

AP thoughts on this?

morph the cat · Post Post #1198 (isolation #45) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:30 am

In post 1194, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 1191, reinoe wrote:still waiting for that Riddleton case...

I wanted to claim yesterday to avoid any possible confusion and he implied he had strong reason to think Venrob was scum (other than just having a role, at least from what I understood). I'm nervous about him calling Wolfy confirmed when Wolfy is most certainly not confirmed. I'm also a little wary that he instavoted in what he believes to be lylo.

Still, my gut kind of likes him for town for reasons I can't really qualify. I think his play is rather extravagant for a newer player if he is actually scum. I would be ridiculously impressed if he is. So I don't know what I think exactly. I really need to get a better grasp on him when I catch up.

I think he's played offsite. possibly extensively. He said something about having played this setup a few times elsewhere.

morph the cat · Post Post #1203 (isolation #46) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:48 am

Okay, metawall of "bjc as a PR" inbound.

morph the cat · Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:00 am

From his egosearch minus his first newbie game or two:

Spoiler: show

TL;DR only one instance of a replace out as a PR, and that was new York 172 where his replace out was due to claiming scuma s town and getting voted for it... and then lurking his way to a replace.

morph the cat · Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:02 am

So really, bjc doesn't replace out almost at all, unless extremely frustrated. He enjoys drawing PRs over vanilla roles. Was there a ton of frustration early in this game?

morph the cat · Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:03 am

Oh and in case it wasn't obvious to everyone and their dog from the altslips elsewhere, 1-shot fruit vendor is just another trashy marquis alt.

morph the cat · Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:04 am

In post 1216, AngryPidgeon wrote:Knowing that, that makes his play here rather comparable actually.

That would make gameplay the scum between the two then. That was really the only major niggle ffery and I had about the slot.

morph the cat · Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:06 am

In post 1216, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 1211, morph the cat wrote:Town Gunsmith (Replaced Out Day 1): viewtopic.php?p=5864753#p5864753

Oh god, screw this game. I was scum and my team just imploded on like D2/3.

I forgot that he was the gunsmith slot that replaced out? Knowing that, that makes his play here rather comparable actually. He was pretty lurkaderp in that game and got scumread largely for being apathetic and making a joke scumclaim in RVS.

I replaced in to that game long after he replaced out. I didn't remember he had the gunsmith slot, just that he was one of the cast of thousands.

morph the cat · Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:11 am

That's pretty much where I'm at too, yeah. Gp is pretty much confirmed scum, and we ought to send him to whatever the scum equivalent of Valhalla is. (once wolfy checks in)

p-edit: This is to AP's 1220

morph the cat · Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:17 am

Agreed. It's {gameplay, reinoe, Elmo} game solved. I'm town, AP's town, Wolfy town, riddleton town.

VOTE: gameplay

morph the cat · Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:18 am

,....or not. {AP, reionoe, elmo} motherfucker. Gameplay you suck for being so goddamn scummy.