Open 539: Stacks on Stacks (This is Game...Over.)

[Albert B. Rampage]

V/LA holidays

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: Venrob

Let's do this. L-2

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's not a personal attack, Venrob, we have to bandwagon to gain information about the game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Venrob's reaction looks genuine. He should vote for someone in his next post.

Aren't we going too fast with this one? We have barely 3 pages of information, half of which are RVS.

Do a speed lynch ever end well?

It looks like Anorway is trying to get free townie points with these posts. Not sure I like it.

Unvote, vote anorway

[Albert B. Rampage]

simulposted with RedCoyote

[Albert B. Rampage]

Actually, I don't think anyone would have anticipated Venrob to react so violently to being pushed to L-2, given how rare it is that anyone gets lynched on page 3. Bandwagoning early is a town move.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Absolutely, it is. You're not going to get information without there being real stakes on the table.

It seems like you expect scum to magically slip that they have information the rest of us don't. That rarely happens. Town usually lynches someone they think will give them more information on the game, someone they have a gut read on, or settle for a policy lynch. Worse case scenario, they deadline lynch someone at random.

Without the backing of votes or the pressure of deadline, you can't figure out who the scum is. It's easy to distance from a buddy if you think they're safe from being lynched, either because it's too early, or because the other players in the game think that your buddy is town.

You may have been forced to claim, but that took a few votes off of you and now you have players like me who think you're town, thanks to the bandwagon that built on you. Bandwagons generate information, wallposting and pointing out contradictions or technicalities don't. Town contradict themselves, change their reads, do anti-town things for the wrong reason all the time. It's only after a few flips that you get to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

TL;DR
8/10 would wagon again

[Albert B. Rampage]

Venrob, I see that you haven't addressed my reply to you yet.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I sense something...hmm...maybe just my imagination.

[Albert B. Rampage]

These posts make me think anorway is scum:

Aren't we going too fast with this one? We have barely 3 pages of information, half of which are RVS.

VOTE: anorway for 66. What prompted this? Also, if you really thought that the Venrob wagon was careless, why did you not vote someone that was on it?

I felt there was a real threat that someone would hammer, and we would be left with not really much information when Day 2 starts, regardless of how Venrob would have flipped.

I don't think anorway really believes that there was a credible threat of a quickhammer. It seems more like "a good opinion to generally have" to keep off the radar. Something very general, that no one would really question, and counts towards the post count if someone ISOs you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

How do you expect the game to move forward if there are no bandwagons that create the danger of a lynch? That's what I don't understand with you people.

[Albert B. Rampage]

TvK, are you suggesting that Acidic is coaching Venrob?

ABR, I agree with you, but everything Venrob has been saying except for 73 leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. As of right now, I think I want them both to eat rope.

OMGUS?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I still don't understand your previous ABR vote either other than you just being stubborn. I'm really starting to have trouble seeing how you're approaching this game as town.

Is he stubborn, or is he scummy? Which is it?

Post 73 confirms Venrob as town in my mind. His persona has nothing to do with it, stubborn or not. Even if he was voting me, I wouldn't change my mind on him. I'm curious to why you would still lynch him after 73.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Bo: Can we please get a replacement for Venrob for playing against his wincon?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Venrob, if you're town, you should know that when you vote for yourself, it makes it harder for the surviving players to do bandwagon analysis later in the game. You should really unvote.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nobody will care what you have to say if you die.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum found

Albert B. Rampage is scum. Intentionally antagonizing someone who is allready pissed off seems like scumtactics.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

It's not a scum tactic. Look at my relationship with PB in this game 6 months ago:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=31485

[Albert B. Rampage]

Here's the story. PB was crying the entire Day 1 for us to lynch him. Archaebob and I called for a force replace for playing against his wincon. Instead, PB replaces out by himself, and then other players got mad and replaced out too. It turns out that PB was scum all along, and those who followed him out of the game were his buddies. Scum won that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Forget about a replacement, I'm going to hammer him now.

Unvote, vote Venrob

Good riddance.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Redcoyote, I've been thinking. I resonated with what you were posting for almost all of Day 1. It almost seemed like we were in lockstep. I'm talking about suspicions on anorway, townread on Venrob, etc.

Except this post:

TvK, are you suggesting that Acidic is coaching Venrob?

ABR, I agree with you, but everything Venrob has been saying except for 73 leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. As of right now, I think I want them both to eat rope.

I thought this was completely opposite of what you were saying earlier, and what increased my town read on you in the first place. You said Venrob was town, then you said you wanted him to eat rope. I thought this might have been a distancing tactic from a buddy, to hedge your bets in case the town lynched Venrob for his temper tantrum.

Venrob flipping town changes my read on you; I think you're more likely to be town now. I wasn't as confident of my town read on Venrob as I made it appear, and I've seen suicidal scum make it out alive for posts like he made. I can see you having the same type of misgivings.

On the Venrob mislynch, the most likely to be scum is Desperado. His posts are short and scattered, meaning that he only appeared when it mattered, only when the window to mislynch Venrob was open.

getting town vibes from anorway ftr

Why?

Unvote
Vote: anorway

His anorway vote also bothered me, even though we were both the ones to bring anorway up.

Vote: Desperado

Do you think Desperado was desperato to lynch the first bandwagonned player, regardless of who it was or what their alignment looked like?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, Bard was a rude little grumkin, and Acid looks town to me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Town:
Redcoyote
Umbrage
Albert B. Rampage
Acidic_TACO

Null:
anorway
Formerfish

Scum:
Desperado
Shockwave Rider
Dont_Vote_Me
TvK

[Albert B. Rampage]

Taco and shockwave just shot way up on my scumdar in the last 2 pages. Shockwave for making a completely off-the-wall post. Taco for trying to divert attention to me by pawning off the work to Umbrage.

Unvote, vote Shockwave

[Albert B. Rampage]

if you bus Acidic and Shockwave super hard right now we won't kill you until like lylo or something

You got it chief!

Unvote
Vote: Taco

Is that your contribution to the game?

Unvote Shockwave, vote Desperado

[Albert B. Rampage]

Taco, who do you have a townread on?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Taco, who do you have a townread on?

TvK is the only one that I would trust 100%.
Nothing really has come up to convince me otherwise at all.
On the "Eh, doesn't smell like scum" category (Alphabetical because I can't think of another way to list):
Albert B. Rampage
anorway
Dont_Vote_Me
RedCoyote
In the scum category in order of scummyness:
Umbrage
Desperado
FormerFish

If you're not on that list then I don't have that much of a read.

The reason I asked you for a townlist was to see if Umbrage was in it. Your last few posts have been confusing me.

ABR WAT R U DOIN

DESPERADO'S TOWN ACIDIC'S SCUM

NO

STAHP

Acid listed me as a townread. Why can't we go for Desperado first?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I read #231 as "Umbrage, how come Albert is not on your scum list anymore?" as an appeal to a player you implicitly thought of as town, to motivate his non-scumread on me, who you imply is scum, or else why would you ask him that?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Noted, thanks.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You said "two of the scum are in this group", can you explain?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You said two of the scum are in TvK, RedCoyote, Formerfish, anorway and Shockwave Rider, then you voted Taco. Can you explain this as well?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Taco for trying to divert attention to me by pawning off the work to Umbrage.

Good point, but I'm still not buying the SR hate.

What does Taco have to do with SR?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You quoted the part that you agreed with while referencing the unquoted part of my post that you disagreed with. That's just backwards.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I see you quoting one thing and then referencing something else, in a completely different unquoted post, and expect everyone to catch on. What are your thoughts on DVM?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Formerfish, you failed to post yesterday night.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I really don't like Desperado's 245. What was your intent with that?

Sheeping Umbrage for towncred.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Redcoyote, can you make your vote more useful please?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Reading...I've got a bad feeling about the claim. If someone wants to unvote now, please do so, because there's a strong possibility I will hammer.

[Albert B. Rampage]

give Acidic one last chance to scramble about and say he was roleblocked or something

then kill him

P-Edit: UNVOTE: Acidic If by some miracle he's town I at least want to know what's going on with this setup.

I went back and read his posts again and I keep coming back to the claim. Why would he claim that way, and why would he not say who he protected in his claim post? Because he didn't think about his lie that deeply yet? He doesn't have a breadcrumb. There's really no setup to his claim. Worse, now I know why I got such a bad impression of his claim; he spelled bodyguard wrong. The claim sounds like a half-baked, made-up falsehood.

Claim time already?

This doesn't even sound like something a townie would say.

Yeah, I'm happy with a hammer.

Unvote, vote Acidic_TACO

L-1

[Albert B. Rampage]

Umbrage?

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's MYLO, what are you doing Umbrage??

I've not been endgamed in over a year. I don't even remember how that feels like. I don't want to know. OK. If you do as I say, we're going to no-lynch right now and then turn this ridiculous game around and lynch scum three times in a row. I'm not losing like this, not with 8 players and 3 scum left.

Vote: No Lynch

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't care who claims what, the only move here is to no lynch. It doesn't matter how bad anorway's claim looks or how sure you are. We shouldn't take the chance.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Both anorway and Desperado are scum.

Scum know how many town PRs are in the game. We've had three flip so far, and I doubt scum would take more than that.

If there are no town PRs left, scum are free to claim whatever they want.

So they both claim tracker with a guilty on the other, we lynch one, and the other is confirmed town that rides to endgame.

Either that or Desperado is laughably bad at counter-claiming.

Well we literally had the worst possible PRs if that's the case.

[Albert B. Rampage]

TvK, who do you think are the 3 scum?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anorway fits the bill for scum IMO. Coasting scum who barely got away the first two days is again almost lynched Day 3 so he pulls out a claim he planned with his team. Desperado's claim sounds fake as well though. I won't be upset if one of them takes back their tracker claim right now. If they keep to their story and they're both town, that's another story. This is their last chance.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Umbrage's play is deliberately weak and careless like he's scum. Desperado doesn't seem like town with his 3rd vote and counterclaim. I can see Umbrage/Desperado and one of them is the traitor, and they're with TvK and agreed to a bus. Or anorway is scum with Formerfish / DVM. But that's not right...could be anorway and Tvk. The question is are scum intending to win today or bussing for towncred.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Where are DVM and SR?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Reasoning, guys?

[Albert B. Rampage]

What do you think?

[Albert B. Rampage]

And no, I don't. We have to lynch one of anorway or Desperado today. Tonight, I'll probably die. It's now or never.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote anorway

[Albert B. Rampage]

I thought you were never going to do it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We missed the first window with TvK, we would never recover from missing a second opportunity to quicklynch the tracker like this.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We're both scum with Desperado.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Good game

[Albert B. Rampage]

I know you were the Goon Cop TvK. I was with Desperado and we recruited the traitor SR. Desperado is the Role Cop and SR is a 1-shot ninja 1-shot strongman. I'm a goon. Who did you investigate?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Playing to your wincon is a RULE here. If you BREAK that rule, players can petition the mod for a force-replacement. The mod should never force-replace a player who abides by the rules and makes a request.