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'sup bitches.
will do some quick-skimming between tonight and tomorrow.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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only skimmed up to page 8 so far, but I'm getting scumvibes from pieguy
mostly because of this:
while avoiding the venrob wagon discussion, and then this:In post 42, pieguyn wrote:In post 28, Sakura Hana wrote:And suddenly a venrob wagon starts. This is quite interesting.HoS: Sakura
just pointing out what's going on and calling it "interesting" instead of analyzing it or posting their opinion on it
talking to Sakura, and then he immediately votes the same person Sakura is voting. whaIn post 74, pieguyn wrote:calls a wagon stupid which, in the end, regardless of how it started, ended up giving town information. you know, your opposing faction
Venrob is probtown actually, and Brian is also a townreadIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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ETL reminded me further down the page to comment on something earlier:
the "if you're town" part I really don't like. really don't. on the other hand, I'm not sure how to feel about her flailing-esque actions (calling herself out for "screwing up" etc) once she starts gathering votes.In post 133, Sakura Hana wrote:A self-vote means that you're voting for the only person you know is confirmed town (if you're town) hence holds no info,
also getting mad scumvibes off ETL but I probably shouldn't be because her posts have logic and reason, wat
eagle can be town I guess, thenewearth gives me scumvibes as well.
and jacob can be town for his pieguy scumread reasoning, I like it.
up to page 10ish, gonna go do laundry and either finish skimming or play some kingdom hearts 1.5, not sure yet.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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quickly skimmed the rest of the pages before work
I'm okay with TNE or pieguy wagons, indifferent about Sakura.
vote pieguy
gonna be stretched for time this weekend but I should be able to make at least one or two more posts before deadlineIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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if you think two players are scum, you don't vote with your other scumread.
I could see you being scum with Sakura and not willing to bus her too heavy D1.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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pieguy. sorry for not quoting.In post 351, Brian Skies wrote:@IP: Who are you talking to?
ok... I'll still think you're scum for it? like, town usually expresses some sort of dislike for voting with one of their scumreads, you didn't seem to have a problem.In post 352, pieguyn wrote:
why not? I'll vote for anyone who I think is scum, kthx.InflatablePie wrote:if you think two players are scum, you don't vote with your other scumread.
I could see you being scum with Sakura and not willing to bus her too heavy D1.
really not liking the way votes are dropping down on this wagon... gonna need to look into it quickly before bed or work tomorrow.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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228 gives me townvibes, same with 232's "white knighting" comment. I see scum defending townies for towncred all the time, logic checks out.
like, this wagon is TERRIBLE and I'm wondering why everyone is going with it.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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ank's logic for his post (the so called case) is bad
ETL saying she can't see a single reason for pieguy scum when I gave some reasons is irritating.
"I can buy Jacob scum case" - sakura -- what case? ank's post is barely a case... goddamn this reeks.
alduskkel's vote also sucks (would have been fine with it if he hadn't called jacob scummy tbh)
and no surprise that pieguy again does not care that a scumread of his is on the wagon, just jumps right on.
if anyone wants to try and swing a sakura or pieguy wagon, I'll be able to post around 1pm est hopefully. not joining the jacob wagon, even if it means no lynch. really really not liking the way things are going down.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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oh, if you find me suspicious for doing this then I completely understand. I'm not saying it isn't.In post 366, pieguyn wrote:atm, you're doing the same thing to Jacob as he claimed I was doing to Venrob. why is it suspicious when I do it but not you?
your other logic is kind of ehhhh though. I actually don't mind a D1 NL tbh. mafia usually kill y'know (even if they pick who)
so instead of thinking it's me and Jacob (which would make more sense given the situation), you default to Sakura again.In post 371, pieguyn wrote:and, the possibility he accused me to distract attention from Sakura and then called me x Sakura team for the sake of distancing makes sense imo
you keep calling her scum but then seem to just ignore her existence otherwise and that bugs me.
you're explaining this tomorrow, as is everyone else, because I saw him give a town/null/scum list and explain his reads later and people keep repeating this.DoctorEagle wrote:but I still want to vote JS because he's not really sticking to his reads and he's not voting for his scum reads
it happens. don't try and line up a lynch.In post 378, DoctorEagle wrote:Seriously... Two PRs in one day. Something is not right here, I just don't see two PRs manage to look so scummy.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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there's at least one scum in [Aldusk, Hiraki, ETL, TNE] and one or two in [Brian, Sakura, Eagle, Ankamius] if we rule out Jacob as a lynch for today, which I would like to do. scum are rarely all on one wagon, especially ones popping up so close to deadline.
Aldusk is... eh, I'm suspicious of him for his reasoning in the JS vote as I said. not sure if he's scum or not though.
Hiraki I need to look into more
ETL I've been getting mad scumvibes off of for some reason. also unvoted but did not hammer pieguy close to deadline. she's probably not the traitor but could still be scum.
TNE I'll look into some more, did think he was scummy at some point though and nothing's really changed.
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Brian is probtown, his posts just give townvibes to me.
Sakura is scummy as shit holy fuck. by far the one I want to lynch from that wagon.
Eagle I need to look into again.
Ankamius, I'm not a fan of his reasoning for things but I think he could be town.
tl;dr:
town: ank, brian
null: Aldusk
looking into: Hiraki, Eagle
scummy: TNE, ETL
scum: sakura
vote: sakura
I have a day off tomorrow so hopefully you guys won't be waiting long for my other two reads.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I meant I was indifferent to a Sakura wagon as opposed to pieguy/tne.
she saw the points I had on pieguy, ignored them and went for Jacob with an "I can buy ank's case" reason that sucked, and then voted pieguy with "I like IPie's points on you" after I called her out for her shitty JS vote. also the fact that she used that reasoning, one that was so similar to the one she joined the JS wagon with, that pings my scumdar.
not that I didn't already think she was kinda scummy (still have to look into her flailing, it's possible I can find a towntell in there but I doubt it) as I said earlier.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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re: Hiraki
selfvote vs reasonless vote logic in 41 reads townie to me. makes a few more posts with logical questions and opinions. not giving much in the way of straight reads though (although that isn't necessarily condemning...), although I guess you can infer them via the questions he's asking.
very overdefensive post in 302. I didn't read Aldusk's post as calling Hiraki scummy per se, and this seems... dramatic. pieguy pointed this out in 307. same thing with 316; very defensive.
on the other hand, I don't think scum would usually be so over-the-top and reactive to someone implying they're scummy. I think they'd be more calm and calculating and whatnot and not try to draw attention to themselves. aldusk wasn't really calling him scummy at first, it look like, so I don't see why scum-Hiraki would find him threatening and try to wagon him. So Hiraki getting all uppity about this plus countervoting Aldusk may actually mean he's town.
I'd give him a pass for now but at the same time he probably shouldn't survive to near lylo.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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oh, random thought while I look at D.Eagle
so I looked back at Jacob to see if he gave reads and explained them and whatnot (I think ETL and someone else was saying this but no one pointed it out to me), and yeah, he didn't seem to give much reasoning but said he did.
...but I think scum would usually try and state reads and make sure their reasoning stays consistent, no? it seems like something scum would want to keep track of. like, if you're scum and someone's like "hey you didn't explain this read" I feel like you'd be more likely to say "oh I'm sorry, here:" not "I thought I already explained them".
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re: Eagle
post 188:
re:13 - this question is kinda bad and doesn't make sense.
re:21 - it was the timing.
re:28 - har har.
post 190:
re:50 - don't get what he's getting at here, asking pieguy why he only gave his opinion on a wagon when asked to. uhh?
re:56 - vaguely calls Hiraki scummy and asks why TNE isn't paying attention to him. interesting.
re:74 - more of this "why are you saying stuff about X but not Y" is throwing pings onto my scumdar.
re:103 - ... this is a good question though.Ank, wanna explain this one?
re:113/119 - throws suspicion on Venmar then suspicion on Brian for jumping on Venmar. uhh...
re:121 - throwing suspicion on Sakura for calling Ank scummy... wasn't he kind of implying Ank was scummy two points up?
gonna pause here and note that Eagle seems to be asking a lot of questions that imply he thinks the person he's asking is scummy.
"you did this while someone else did this, what's up with that?" (hypocrisy scumtell)
"you're gonna comment ononly one thing? *someone else attacks that person* I don't like this attack".
"why are you thinking she's town for defending someone you think is scum?"
like, go read this post and look at the questions and posts he's quoting, and look at the attitude he has. I don't know if I'm explaining it well, but maybe someone else will see what I mean. and I get having multiple scumreads and all but he seems to be suspicious of literally everyone. maybe I'm looking too much into it? anyway...
re:128 - whiteknightingissomething scum does to town for towncred, but that's not necessarily the definition. not a bad point though. actually... why would scum defend scum so hard? that's a really good point.
re:151 - I caught something interesting here. see end of post
post 299:
JS, why are you still pushing for a Venrob lynch given the claim? I have a light scumread on you, but it's not worth a vote yet. Just a FoS for now.
didn't both of you say something accusatory about using FoS (well HoS) instead of votes earlier? this pings my scumdar a bit.
not liking the hydra dissonance-esque "I need to ask my other head" stuff in 348 and 373.
all in all... kinda scummy? but at the same time he does have some good points and questions. I'd put him between null and scummy; I would much rather lynch someone else today but I have a close eye on him for sure.
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ETL: "There's few scum who bus hardcore D1 and actually seek to run their partner up to L-1 in the first 10 pages. Their first duty is to help their partner mislynch."
"partner". ... that's an interesting choice of word. there's three scum. one's a traitor, yeah, but in my mind I still consider there being three scum. so when I'm thinking of this type of stuff, I'm thinking that scum have two partners. Why did you say "partner"?
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+ "*to the other person* why are you thinkingIn post 426, InflatablePie wrote:"why are you thinking she's town for defending someone you think is scum?"heis scummy for selfvoting?"If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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preemptive prod dodge. sorry, got busy the past two days, will post tonight/tomorrow after workIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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yeah, I do this. *shrug*In post 429, Alduskkel wrote:IP has this way of calling someone scummy and then second-guessing himself and putting off actually applying any pressure
re: Sakura, she seemed to be flailing a lot yesterday and I didn't like her vote reasoning(s). I remember her 133 sticking out to me and thinking she may be scum with pieguy, but then I looked again and she still could be scum even with town-pieguy. that was shitty reasoning in hindsight but it made sense at the time. the "I can buy Jacob-scum" switch once she hopped off whatever was the prior leading wagon (Ven?) was terrible. DE has some good points up there on this page, even though I have him marked as scummy.
on that note, I also don't like some of my support on this wagon. ETL, TNE... ehhhh. I still need to look into them; I've been having a busy past few days and have been putting this game off, sorry.
I still think lynching among [Brian, Eagle, Sakura, Ank, Jacob] is the best chance we have of hitting scum. Brian's a townread and we're not lynching Jacob. I'm not really thinking Ank is scum either. Between Sakura and Eagle, Sakura is the superior choice.
Aldusk, do you think the wagon yesterday was completely towndriven?
I'm confusedIn post 464, DoctorEagle wrote:My response to you in 119 and this goes for IP as well is the fact that you've been calling Venrob scum (for the same thing you did, mind you) to the point that even him claiming he got us out of RVS was something useless yet you felt the need to comment on something so petty. Its bothersome. It just screams either "tunnelvision" or "more discrediting"If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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aldusk, your questions/reaction to me were making me lean town on you but then you had to make that dumb Hiraki vote. that reasoning sucks
I'll answer those questions when I'm not on my phone at work btwIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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... hence why I'm not elaborating yet on why that post is badIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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ps don't tell me what to do you're not my momIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I'm sorry mommy please don't grab the belt again I'll be a good boy I promiseIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Since typically scum like to lynch town, had you responded "no, the wagon could not have been 100% towndriven" I would have followed up by asking you the most likely scum then, because you think Sakura is town.In post 472, Alduskkel wrote:Why do you ask, by the way? And why do you ask me in particular?
Also, don't you think it's a problem to be so wishy-washy? (re: my 429)
do you think it's unreasonable to lynch from the pieguy wagon first? or do you think it's more strategic to lynch off the wagon first?
and I can see if people have a problem with me being a bit back-and-forth but I don't really care so yeah.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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hmm.
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well Sakura was on the pieguy wagon and her reasoning was shit yet you still think she's town. just sayin'.
actually, Sakura brought JS from L-1 to L-2, bringing pieguy to L-2. eagle switched to put him at L-1, ETL unvoted Jacob, and Ank hammered.
I need to sit down and think a bit harder about how this wagon switched over actually. although it may need to wait for another flip...If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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do you?In post 515, Ankamius wrote:I'm pretty sure I see what IPie is referring to here, actually.
you avoiding me, ETL?In post 426, InflatablePie wrote:re: 151
ETL: "There's few scum who bus hardcore D1 and actually seek to run their partner up to L-1 in the first 10 pages. Their first duty is to help their partner mislynch."
"partner". ... that's an interesting choice of word. there's three scum. one's a traitor, yeah, but in my mind I still consider there being three scum. so when I'm thinking of this type of stuff, I'm thinking that scum have two partners. Why did you say "partner"?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I want a cookie
someone give me a reason to stop being apathetic
or just tell me who to sheepIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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don't tell me what to do you're not my mom
also I thought I was voting her alreadyIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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my incredible apathy prevents me from doing so.In post 590, Hiraki wrote:Would like more content from IP.
however, I do apologize immensely for contributing to the problem here; will try to provide more content d3.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Hiraki is dumb, not necessarily scum. His NL convo with Brian would have resulted in him backing off, not defending NL if he was scum. Scum know defending NL is idiotic.
Aldusk I'm not getting a scum vibe from after today.
Sakura I want to be scum but I can't get the self vote out of my head.
notscience I'm liking more than TNE but still think he's most likely scum based off PoE.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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So I was going to let today unfold normally and not just extend my hand here, but I'm honestly not good/patient enough as a player for that and don't want to risk dying tonight regardless. We have Jacob alive anyway, who is town since a Strongman exists (on the 2% chance he's scum, he gets lynched if I die tonight btw). We're at 7:2, tonight Jacob dies and it goes to 5:2, next night I die and it goes to 3:2. Assuming I can't roleblock the last scum.
I roleblocked Brian last night.
I don't think scum hit the traitor.
vote: Brian
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Here's something I saved in a word doc N1/D2 for later use:
out of all the options, why would scum pick JOAT? personally I'd pick role cop for sure, maybe/probably recruit traitor, and maybe daytalk in that order.
also, if they did use a strongman kill to get the Goon Cop, they probably have one Goon or the recruited traitor. they could have left the goon cop alive if they picked two goon upgrades (between PR claim WIFOM + investigation-immune) but they killed him instead because they probably have a goon. so they didn't pick another goon upgrade.
unless they picked Rolecop or BP + JOAT + traitor recruit. but it seems there's no vig and certainly no innocent child, leaving four max town PRs. max is five if scum pick three upgrades. so we know that scum only picked zero or one or two upgrades. and, if JS is telling the truth, they have a strongman, so they did not pick BP or rolecop; if they did, they had no reason to kill the gooncop.
I'm also betting that they picked recruit traitor and Strongman; more reason to kill the gooncop sooner.
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N1 I roleblocked Aldusk because he was a nullread. I don't like blocking the obviously scummy people because not only can I get them lynched on my own, but the scummy people are not the ones sending in a kill because of roleblockers/trackers.
D2 he responded well to some questions I asked him, so I changed him to a townread. I think it was him that called Brian scum; someone did. I looked back at Brian after reading something else someone was saying in a game of mine that just ended. And I got the vibe that he's that one scum player that everyone thinks is town. You guys know, that one player in almost every game that explains all his reads and thoughts and is just so townie? I do that shit as scum. I come off as town. I'm not buying it.
So I blocked him and well here we are.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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oh, I just realized I said there'll be two scum alive after today, so clarification before Brian-scum tries to pull the 'scumslip' angle: I was thinking worst-case scenario as evidenced by pointing out the slim chance of Jacob-scum (which I wouldn't do if he wasn't being useless btw). that, and/or my tired brain forgot we lynched scum yesterday. also if I was scum and 'slipped' why would I do so at a point where I'd get lynched by LYLO (example: 7-2, mislynch 5-2 jacob dead, mislynch 3-2 I'm still alive?) when I could just coast.
just thought I'd get that out of the way now because Iknowsomeone will bring it up, even if this makes it seem a bit defensive.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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you can vote Brian and save face by bussing now, or we can lynch you next.
your call, ns.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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you know when Brian flips scum I'm blocking you tonight right
if you're scum you're throwing the game.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I'm bored and waiting to leave for an event today, so I have time to chat.
assume I'm scum. what is the scum motivation for me claiming roleblocker after bussing my scumbuddy yesterday.
I actually want to hear your train of thought because even stepping back and trying to look at things from an outside POV I have no idea how you've come to this line of reasoning.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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seriously, you can stop playing the "lol you're scum you're so cute" card. it's annoying enough when Fate does it.
if you think I'm scum, then I'm pushing a lynch on a townie, then I deserve to be lynched, so you should make a case forwhyI'm lying
so like, you should be doing this anyway. I don't want to hear the "I'm not giving my reasons because you're scum" argument.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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okay.
so I'm scum. I (or we) NK'd to do this gambit. This is HOPING there's not a roleblocker in the setup. (I'm just gonna say 'we' from this point on to make it easier btw)
Wecouldhave a rolecop to help with this, but this is not likely as I outlined earlier, given that they killed a scummy Goon Cop instead of leaving him alive for WIFOM. unless they recruited traitor AND chose two upgrades.
this is all a stretch but let's keep going.
so now we push a mislynch on a townie. he dies, and jacob has to die tonight because he's fairly conf-town after ETL flipped scum. ok.
it's now 5:2, I'm alive, pull the scum-hit-traitor card, we lynch another townie. kill a townie tonight.
it's 3:2, I'm alive in LYLO. I get lynched and it goes to 3-man. and at this point I would have had to be confident enough that my scumbuddy distanced himself enough to not get lynched in LYLO.
so to recap: hope there's not a roleblocker, NK despite being down a scumbuddy, pull this wild gambit where I get lynched in LYLO anyway, and pray my scumbuddy can pull the win.
is this accurate?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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if I had a dollar every time I had to mention Occam's Razor in a game...If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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not only would we no-kill to put ourselves behind a full lynch, but we also pray there's a tracker and not a roleblocker in the setup. (since there's no vig or IC).
in which case, unless we chose two upgrades and recruited traitor (again, reason for killing scummy GoonCop), I'm getting tracked. but that can't happen. goon cop, bodyguard, and let's assume tracker and I'm fakeclaiming. town needs one more PR. meaning an IC (no), vig (no), or roleblocker. oops.
okay so we chose one upgrade and recruited traitor, right? still leaves room for a tracker? wait a second, town gets 2+2 upgrades and there's no IC or Vig. so they have a roleblocker. shit.
ok, so we didn't recruit traitor. then I am on my own, have to kill Jacob, and I'm getting tracked.
is this smart?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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*two more PRS in the first example, I suck at math
so yeah still impossibleIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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wait wait lemme guess
I'm scum, hit my traitor last night, and am claiming roleblocker to save face
again praying there's not a blocker (50/50 chance)
again getting tracked to the NK for the rest of the game
umm.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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the ONLY way this theory can make sense, is if there IS a vig despite two nights showing evidence against that and he shot the traitor both nights like a dumbfuck. he can't have been roleblocked because I have to be lying about being a blocker too. so if ANYONE ELSE wants to claim roleblocker besides Brian, be my guest.
and this STILL assumes I'm ballsy enough to gambit the claim.
occam's razor, get on the fucking wagon already.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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oh
wait
traitor's only a one shot bp isn't he
so how can there be a vig if there's not a roleblocker then
there can be a bulletproof scum guy and a strongman? meaning they didn't recruit traitor and killed off a scummy and USELESS goon cop n1. see, if goon cop scanned one of them it wouldn't have mattered, and even if it's useless you still get subconcious towncred for having that inno on you.
oh but that puts us back at the 4 PRs scenario too, meaning there's a tracker AND a vig. I didn't recruit my traitor so I'm getting tracked WOOP WOOP WOOP
I'm gonna go get ready for my event, be back tonight.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I hate it when people are dumb.In post 643, Sakura Hana wrote:Why do you need to overexplain yourself?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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And I don't want scum ns to try and argue out of this
It actually saves me frustration.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I blocked Ank last night for his hammer-but-not-really on ETL and his support but non vote on Brian yesterday.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go bang my head against a wall for the rest of Day phaseIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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there's also probably a scum in [Aldusk/Hiraki/DE] given that all of those votes had... not much or any reasons really, just piled on after the tracker claim.
this supports Sakura's logic, even if that's on the basis of her assuming Ank is scum first. not sure if that means I'm on the right track or terribly off-base again.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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don't get cheeky wit me, boiIn post 681, Ankamius wrote:...Okay? The first point isn't that strong and the second one is just plain bad.
my points seem fine, actually, as well.
I actually don't think we lynch Ank here, secIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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yeah, even if Ank can possibly be scum, I don't think we lynch him.
it's 6:2 (6:1:1), we lynch today and go to 5:2 (5:1:1). scum are forced to kill tonight if they gambited and it's not Ank (4:2 / 4:1:1). meaning JS dies because if I die or something then JS is confscum. if they don't kill tonight or if I block right we get an extra lynchandit's one step closer to a lylo with confirmed town alive.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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well yeah. it's if I didn't that's the problem.
IthinkI keep blocking Ank here and force scum to show their hand, but we keep him alive in case I'm blocking right.
if a kill goes through he's confirmed as town, provided I keep blocking him.
if a kill doesn't go through, either he's confirmed scum or scum have to keep no-killing in order to not confirm him, giving us more lynches.
or we can lynch him here and see if scum gambit my block again.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I really don't think they no-killed both nights. that would require them having a rolecop (again then why kill the scummy gooncop n1?) or being super ballsy.
no lynching is bad (for now. and probably even at 4:2 if I'm alive.)
... could JS be the traitor? <_<
but yes, scum need to either kill JS (which if he's a traitor, and they tried to shoot him the other night, won't happen) or keep no-killing. and if they just no-kill all the way to lylo that's probably fine.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I think it's super unlikely that JS is the traitor given that we have a flipped Strongman which seems like a huge coincidence but still.
killing JS the night after ETL died was probably the right play, especially if they only picked one upgrade.
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they picked strongman. other options are:
- bulletproof (no)
- recruit traitor (didn't happen)
- rolecop (90% sure no)
- daytalk (maybe?)
so either they picked daytalk or JS is scum.
which doesn't REALLY help us I guess.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Ankamius, JS, Pie - not lynching
notscience - eh, TNE's slot was bad and he's kinda bad but I dunno, he may just be town.
DEagle - not getting good vibes from this slot; wouldn't mind lynching.
Alduskel - probably town after all.
Sakura - also probably town, although regrettably.
Hiraki - probably not scum, really bad at this game, would honestly not mind lynching before LYLO so he doesn't frak up.
I think chaining DE into Hiraki is a good start. 5:2 going into night and then we see if Ank is confirmed town or if scum wanna lay low (as always, assuming he's not scum).
vote Eagle
If JS is town and dies tonight, we lynch Hiraki tomorrow Ithink.
If there's no kill tonight, I think we lynch JS just in case and have me die that night if we frak up and he's town + scum no-kill-gambited twice, leaving Ank as confirmed town in lylo. If we lynch wrong, we're basically just SOL at the 3-way.
we can also lynch Hikari anyway, go to 4:2 into night. if scum kill (JS), we're at 3:2 with two confirmed townies and one in LYLO.
[pedit] congrats Sakura you're catching up to my line of thought.
actually that might be best.
we can change the planned lynchees as necessary; feel free to discuss.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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yeah, we lynch Eagle (or someone else), go to 5:2 tonight, if they kill JS, 4:2 into Day, me and Ank confirmed town, we lynch again, if we ML it's 3:2 into Night and I have to block correctly between townie/traitor/goon.
seems good
pedit: ok ns. please stop, I don't want this town to have a mass aneurysm and accidentally vote me to lynch. that'd be unfortunate.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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actually wait till yabbaguy gets in here and posts a VC so I can immortalize the stupidity of you and Hiraki.
I'll just quote it at you whenever appropriate.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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well Iguessyou guys should wagon me to L-1 and see who hammers then
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no no no I got this
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someone L-1 me, we can catch scum this way
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are you sure
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