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Sakura and Dr Pepper? Should be fun.
I remember Sakura checking the wiki for information before, so that fits her playstyle.


VOTE: Flench

for asking for a top mafia pick at post 16.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: JMo

Don't like how he's painting Titus as a newbie. And his pressure on Glass is very poor.
Glass is looking pretty good.

Apologies for not being active at all. Had a busy few days. Hopefully I'll get to post more from now on.

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Sorry about not posting more. Prod received.

I was supposed to make a catchup post today, but I had some unexpected visitors.

I can see that Jmo has not put in any useful content since I last checked. Just a prod dodge and repeating earlier reads.

So my vote is still good.

I'll try and catch up now.

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Okay, I read through some ISO's and this is what I came up with.

Town

Glass
Oriole
Paschendale

Leaning Town

Saki
Titus
Dyslexicon

Null

Varsoon
Vote Me

Leaning Scum

CherryDrPepper
Flench
Tunnel Vision

Scum

JMO

That'll have to do for now. If you have any questions, shoot.

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Town

Glass: Great scumhunting. Got a feeling Glass vs JMO is Town vs Scum.
Oriole: Points out points that go unnoticed by others. good scumhunting.
Paschendale: confirmed town

Leaning Town

Saki: Says things as they come to mind. Doesn't seem to mind getting a lot of suspicion for it. Although I don't agree with everything he says, I don't see much reasons to think of him as scum. There's definitely going to be scum on his wagon though.
Titus: Agrees on Saki townread. Not afraid to put himself out there and go against the current.
Dyslexicon: Agrees on Saki townread. Not much other content, but I like what I've seen.

Null

Varsoon: I don't know what to think of him. At first I thought he was town, but the later posts had me doubting it again. I can go back and forth on him all day.
Vote Me: No meaningful content.

Leaning Scum

CherryDrPepper: Severe tunnelling on Saki. Hasn't posted a single read on anyone else since the reads list, which had a lot of Nulls and which was provided by Sakura, who admitted Saki being scum was based mostly on her partners Meta. I'd like to see a new one.
Flench: Some weird logic at times(X&Y understand, so I'm not explaining), the rest of his posts lack content or reads.
Tunnel Vision: Little content, but don't really like what I've seen

Scum

JMO: Dodging questions, weird accusations, Scum side of the Glass vs JMO discussion.



I saw discussion already, so I decided to fight my sleep and provide some reasoning.

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10 pages since my catchup post? Way behind again!

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I take it that you're going to go after JMO today?

yes, for now.

Stubbs, I actually don't agree on the Saki townread

I got that here:

The more convinced I am Saki is indeed a mislynch

That might have outdated by the time I posted. So apologies.

I'm at #313, reminder to self. Got to go.

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I'd like to think that my read list put this game in higher gear

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I'd like to think that my read list put this game in higher gear

you sure you aren't in the wrong game

Yes I am!

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At 404 on my phone but out of time.

Who really bothers me is Varsoon.

First I read a post that he hates setup speculation. Then a few pages later, when the speculation begins after Saki's claim, he doesn't mention it.

And even worse, also claims and joins in on the speculation.("is it possible we're both roleblockers?"

I still have a LOT of pages to go, so apologies if someone else has already pointed this out

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@Pasche: I will flip Roleblocker if I die.
Also, I will choose the target we agree on. I'd like to talk to all of town about who I should Roleblock.

This is also pretty bad.

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Stopping at #500.

I agree with Saki on Varsoon/Titus buddying. Most of the buddying seems to be coming from Titus though.

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Titus, I want to remind you that not everyone thinks as you do. Although it doesn't make much sense for Varsoon to cc Saki if he's scum, there's still a possibility that this is the case.

You seem to disregard this option( or at least I get that feeling)

Anyway, the rest of your content has been fine.

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This setup is so counter-initiative.

We'd have to have three bs roll up regardless and I don't think three bbb are rolling in a setup like this. That's down in the 1-5% range IMO.

Even if it's 1%, it's still possible.

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Vote: Saki

I've given Titus enough of a headache.
Saki, you've gotta go.
On the slim chance you're actually town Roleblocker,
then I guess I'll get lynched D2 and we'll have lost two town Roleblockers. :/

I hate how he's already trying to avoid getting lynched after a Saki mislynch

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Saki, Titus and Varsoon's buddying doesn't mean that if one flips scum, the other will, too.
Most scum will try to avoid buddying, actually.

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@Saki: Claims shouldn't be taken lightly, and there's never reason to vote yourself unless you just want to suicide and yell at town for being incompetent. Okay, well, I did that once, but, yeah, don't.

I kinda want to atm.

Took some digging but found it

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Forget it, this is about self-voting I guess! Whoops!

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Saki, I'm going to politely ask you to shut the fuck up and stop spamming the thread. You've got 200 posts. 2/7ths of all posts.

On the other hand, varsoon still hasn't been lynched..

Hey you. Another prod Dodge?
Why don't you post content next time?

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Yay, I'm caught up!!!

To be honest, Varsoon has taken a dive to my scumlist.

Jmo has not posted any content.

Flench's notes are a great effort. I don't think scum would do such a thourough readlist.

I would choose between Varsoon and JMO at this point

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@Stubbs: I don't like setup speculation and use of exclusive knowledge. It's frustrating for players outside of the claiming PRs to deal with when a PR claims and it's especially useless when people start listing MXBBBTTT or whatnot and Wifom themselves into oblivion.

So why did you claim?

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I'll be on V/LA for the entire weekend. Might pop in on Sunday(but don't count on it)

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I'm back. I've caught up with all my other games but this one. I tried, but I found myself skipping the wall posts, so it's not a good way to start a catchup. I can agree that my content was pretty poor, I've had to catch up a large amount of pages after every post, which is not really a good way to be in the game. There's still a lot of time though, so no reason to rush this.

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@Varsoon
revoking your claim then?

where the hell did this come from?? If Varsoon flips scum, I'm looking at you again, Saki.

That fakeclaim brings us back to square 1. The whole Varsoon-Saki thing gives me strange vibes. The way Saki seems to be buddying Varsoon after he could have gotten him killed, seems unnatural. He should be pissed Varsoon nearly got him killed. Someone else already mentioned it was weird they were not voting each other.

Xiao Long, thank you! My vote has been on JMO all game. I'd love to hear your case

Is it honestly the first time you've seen a townie counter a claim to see if it's genuine?

yes!

Okay, reading further, I'm thinking one of JMO/Varsoon is scum and the other is not.

Add Stubbs to that 'where' list, too. :/

I only get to be on a pc in the evening(because it's summer and it's way too hot in that room during the day). You guys keep adding at least 10 pages a day, which makes it hard for me to catch up. I have specifically told you yesterday that I would catch up today.

Also, if you guys could stop spamming this thread, there wouldn't be so much lurkers. This isn't the anime/manga discussion thread.

I'm willing to lynch JMO or Varsoon. Those happen to be the 2 biggest wagons so yay! I'm convinced one of them is scum and one isn't. My preference is JMO because at least Varsoon has posted some content.

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Welcome back Stubbs. I was trying not to add so much and do behavioral analysis on the voting patterns. Then Varsoon revokes his claim. Can you tell me what you think of Cherry/Oriole?

I do agree that the Saki-Varsoon thing wierded me out that neither voted for the other. It really should have been much more aggressive than that.

I'm also worried the Anime trolling Varsoon and Saki did was specifically aimed so that players would have a harder time catching up.

I have my doubts about Cherry, but not so much that I would like to lynch them today. Oriole is town.

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If we're all agreeing on lynching out of those 2, maybe we should decide which one?

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I'm actually getting more and more into Lynching Varsoon.

He's using everything he can find to stay alive.
And I wouldn't mind not reading through all those filler posts.

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My vote is still on JMo.
I don't need to give examples if you've read the last pages.

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That's all speculation(wifom?)

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@Stubbs:
Hardly.
The fact that I counter-claimed Roleblocker is not speculation, it's a fact. It happened.
I also claimed revoked that counter-claim and claimed VT.
I explained why I originally claimed, why I stuck with it for so long, and why I finally claimed VT.

By your definition, simply saying that I'm trying to do anything to survive is speculation/Wifom.
Ergo, your own argument defeats your own argument.
That's Intertextuality, Bitch.

You're right. But the fact that you're saying you wouldn't have played the way you did is also Wifom.

The 2 biggest wagons are on my top suspects. So no, I'm not looking at anyone else right now.
For me, one of you has to die today, and we go from there.

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The reason Why there are so many lurkers is the fluff posting.

It's not a coincidence I saved this game for last to catch up.

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Any last words Varsoon? I will hammer

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Sigh

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wtf, 20 more pages? This needs to end.

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Varsoon is a mistake Rank. I know I pushed that thought heavily earlier on. However, Varsoon's lThe vote on Varsoon is a mistake, however I do understand the general sentiment of getting this day over.

Titus, what happened between the last time Varsoon was at L-1 and now that makes you not want to hammer?

I have intent to hammer but I need to catch up first...again...

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Varsoon is a mistake Rank. I know I pushed that thought heavily earlier on. However, Varsoon's lThe vote on Varsoon is a mistake, however I do understand the general sentiment of getting this day over.

Titus, what happened between the last time Varsoon was at L-1 and now that makes you not want to hammer?

I have intent to hammer but I need to catch up first...again...

The general behavior of Cherry and JMO. JMO, even when Varsoon looked like the obvious lynch target, still refused to provide content. JMO provides pure rehashing when he did return. For this, Cherry reads him as town. Cherry has read JMO as town from the start to the point of "never voting him unless he does something really scummy" or some such non-sense. There is nothing to warrant a town read on JMO at all. JMO, a player who I am almost certain is scummy, is death tunneling Varsoon and has been for most of the game. JMO doesn't give reads on other players. Cherry also has been drumming up suspicion where none is warranted at all.

Varsoon's play can be interpreted as a gambit. His posts, now that he's playing straight, are actually clear and concise posts with well articulated reasons. I also find it wierd the TIMING of some people jumping on the Varsoon train. Varsoon did his gambit and supposedly got the information he wanted and backed off. It was when Varsoon removed his claim of PR when some felt it was OK to FoS him as if being a PR gave people some magical pass not to be FoSed at all.

When your scumsuspects are voting for another scum suspect for flimsy reasons, it deserves another look at why they are doing that. When your scum suspects start misrepping you for looking into things, it's appropriate to suspect that your original target was indeed town.


@Cherry, no I am not trying to have my cake and eat it too. I did suspect Varsoon previously and brought all the attention to him when there actually was very little. In that sense, you could argue "I told you so". I just know my current defenses are likely to draw heat on me if Varsoon flips scum. There should be nothing suspicious about being intellectually honest Cherry.

Okay, I'll see if I can still follow you after I catch up.
Funny how people keep unvoting after I give intent to hammer. First TV, now Flench.

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@Stubbs: You're terrible and I hope town can see that before this game ends. You can clearly see his anxiousness for the mislynch and the deflation of it with his sigh post.

I still like my play a lot better than I like yours, and I don't exactly consider myself good. The mislynch part is just sad and unnecessary.

has noone noticed stubbs never delivered his case on JMO

What the hell are you talking about. My reason for voting JMo is one of the first posts I made.

You do realize I lead the train on Varsoon, causing him to withdraw his roleblocker claim

I thought that was Saki, actually? I even commented that it was a weird comment, if I remember correctly.

Bulbazak's post sums up this entire game.

Just going to give an update. I am on page 37 and am really struggling to find the energy or enthusiasm to catch up in this game. I'm seriously considering taking a page out of Kuribo's book and hammering simply to buy me the time to catchup without 20 more pages being added to the game per day.

Varsoon, give me a reason that is not WIFOM of why you shouldn't be lynched. Don't even try any of that multi-level crap, because that alone makes me want to lynch you on the spot. Also, why would you even claim a PR if you're a VT? I haven't gotten to that part in the game, but I saw everyone talking about it (I check in from time to time to check on the current status.). I can't see the town motivation for any of this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Varsoon

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I

may

have skimmed a lot of pages.

I don't need any more motivation to lynch Varsoon really. There is absolutely nothing that he can say to change my mind about him anymore.

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I've been voting for JMO all day. You don't need to point that out to me.
Varsoon is too big of a distraction to keep around, antitown and likely scum.

Varsoon has provided content, true. But the content he has provided is the reason I want to Lynch him.

If you don't like my attitude on this, so be it. Vote me, Lynch me for all I care. But I want this day to end.
Varsoon's flip will give me the information I want. Even if I'm wrong, I can live with losing a VT. JMO can wait for day 2

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Calling out jomo? How many Posts ago was that?

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I disagree. Titus pressures hard, I agree. But blaming him for the claims I don't agree with.

Who's we??

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I missed cherry's claim. Let me see.

I am not likely to vote Titus anytime soon.

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Not finding it. Anyone want to link me?

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So what does that have to do with Titus?

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I don't see how any of the claims are Titus's fault?

Saki, you claimed at L-2, which was unnecessary.
Cherry claimed "PR" because the heads messed up.

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Claim "PR", what's the use of this?

That's the worst claim I've ever seen and Titus is right to question it.

Saki was pressured by a lot of people. Why is this all on Titus? I think I was one of the only ones who had Saki as town.
Anyway, I'm not voting Titus today.

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Looks like you only confused yourself.

There's enough wifom in this topic as it is, that's Why Varsoon has got to go.

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atm you're acting no better than JMO, stubbs
you come in, you tunnel someone, and you make a bunch of people doubt your alignment

To be honest I don't care anymore what anyone thinks of my alignment. I just want this game to move forward.
I want answers and most of those involve Varsoon's alignment.

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Why are you complaining about me tunneling Varsoon, Saki? I thought you had him as scum too?

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So you're accusing me of tunnelling Varsoon.

You have both Varsoon and Titus as scum, but don't want to vote Varsoon? What's the logic in that?

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I'm not voting JMo anymore, Why do I need to provide a case on him.
I am tunneling Varsoon and I will continue doing so. Too much has happened to keep him around.

I'm not looking for townpoints oriole. I want to Lynch scum and that scum is Varsoon.
This day can go on for another 90 pages for all I care. My mind is set.

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I've lost all motivation for this game. I'm not going to put anymore of my time in it.

Apologies to the mod.

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Good to see a town win.
Sorry for replacing out again. I had lost my motivation for this game, so I didn't see much point in continuing.
At least I was right about Varsoon