Open 488: Pick Your Poison [GAME OVER]

[uctriton00]

Slimer and AP, and to the rest, hello.

Random Question Stage:
1. Are you Mafia?
2. If you are not Mafia, are you lying?

[uctriton00]

fuzzy what's your avatar of

[uctriton00]

Vote: AngryPidgeon

Before he drives the town off a cliff killing off townies

[uctriton00]

kcudz I don't believe is noob at all

Why are you trying to front?

[uctriton00]

kcudz: why did you pretend to be a noob when you're not?

[uctriton00]

And I'm not scum AP get the hell off

Going to reread the new pages tomorrow

[uctriton00]

V

/LA until Monday

[uctriton00]

I have AngryPidgeon and Antagon as scum reads

AngryPidgeon with ridiculous reasoning, and Antagon grasping at straws by saying my original post was complete scum. It's even sweeter when Antagon calls AP a town read. My gut says AP doesn't want me in the game due to pure meta and he sees me as a threat to him.

Kudzu is being a troll who probably remade his account because his precious account was bad, and baboon or whoever that star avatar is a town read from what I read. I think I have a town read on a soda can.

I need to read in detail when not on iPad, but my scum reads are right.

[uctriton00]

And whoever gave that vig list is bad too. It's as if they are someone who is a scum and needs some people taken care of on their behalf.

[uctriton00]

That kudzu should say k cudz

[uctriton00]

Busy week.

To clarify originally to kcudz, the soda can was the tomato can when I looked closer, so the tomato can avatar is who I was reading.

As such, the tomato can gave me an odd omgur read, which uh, better not be a suck up to lol in their town read for the rest of the game.

Gonna read more and not be so inactive.

[uctriton00]

Got it

64 and 65 give me bacde and AP as people who know each others alignments. This is too buddy buddy for two townies to automatically embrace each other without at least one of them knowing each other. I really get the feel AP just picked on kcudz after town opinion made him suspicious, and who better to set off a PL then a flailing player. FYI I have him as town as my gut says exactly that; kcudz is just bad at playing (and likely alt'd up) but that doesn't make him scummy and in fact makes him townie since he should have enough experience to not be so bad.

Fuzzy at 138 I get from a town motivation. Scum would push it as a hard accusation, but townies say hey we are just playing a game.

163 gives me Bacde as scum still. To me AP and Bacde are teammates who are now just joking around with each other like in any real life situation.

180 and 182 baboon look scummy. Pretending to join in on an argument, then finding any kind of reason to back it up, and comes up with "the last post tipped me". There was no reading in that, you just picked a reason. Baboon scum read.

212 silver looks terribad too. "Yeah I can sheep onto that" and votes him? Other than being wrong on me, I think Scott is figuring a few things out and is starting to be a threat. As of that post, baboon looks like the right answer, with now Bacde and a coin flip between AP and silver. Cause Scott's read is AP town, that p much puts me as the team being Bacde, baboon, silver. AP and Bacde jovial ness I referenced earlier in this post; it's looking like Bacde is the one who knows APs alignment and is trying to friend him.

250 is Bacde scum and AP town. Change my read on AP, he's townie now.

253 is Bacde protecting Silver.

The kcudz vig list isn't bad now that I read his reasoning for it. Although, I've seen vigs work with town and be wrong, and work solo and be right, so I don't think telling a vig what to do helps the vigs.

284 and 285 are fuzzy town. No hard omgus read or omgus attempt to try to fight against the vote or discredit him.

287 GNR just continues baboons scummy ness.

318, what townie jokes like that? Silver as a scum member still.

355 a kiss up because that post has two townies being misread by me (no I didn't misread them on purpose, it's just not as good as this actual retread of the entire game is going tonight). Bacde sees me pushing two town kills, so he tries to befriend me since I'm a scapegoat for him. And he says "you get scapegoated a lot huh", like he knows that I'm misreading townies as scum.

379 let's vote a lurker lol!

389 god damn Bacde loves it when a town gives a misread on another townie! Seriously everyone reading this post, this is a serious trend he has going.

Page 18 has Psyche pushing on Bacde who went from all bravado of thinking he ran the game, to civil discourse when pushed into serious discussion.

And for all the KBW talk? Hell yes that looks bad, but you have to have at least one bad town player in every game. No offense to you personally, it's just that in this game you are likely the token townie who makes himself look bad and is being served up as a PL, in addition to slimmer who scum would love to PL.

Bacde, GNR, silver.

Everyone else is a town, or at the very least a vanilla townie who has no,powers and thus no motivation to play in a game that's 20 pages long in day 1 and got completely lost and doesn't care anymore.

And THAT is how you reread a game. When we win this game I request the MVP award.

Vote: Bacde

Cut the head off, then GNR and Silver will fall.

[uctriton00]

Look at the spread in the vote count as well. Such even placement to not all get caught at once. A bravo attempt, I must say.

[uctriton00]

I thought you said I was townie

I did an actual sit down reread of the 20 pages, a real one. Totally worth it; I suggest lurkers who pop in and say "eh idk what's going on" try it out.

[uctriton00]

Also, what's this? I don't have a clue what the reasoning on this is.

kcudz should know better than to be blatantly anti-town

[uctriton00]

i thought fbn was an acronym like for what it's worth fwiw

[uctriton00]

Why does Scott's opinion on me lead you here?

The push against Scott looks scum motivated, and townies giving each other townie reads is dangerous for scum.

[uctriton00]

stop being played like a fiddle, AP

[uctriton00]

Yeah UCT you must be self-conscious (ie, think you have bad reads) about this game if the first person to ask you if you have really good reads is the person you decide on death-tunneling

Self conscious would be "man, everyone else is saying something else, I must be wrong" and then going with it.

This is the complete opposite of self conscious

[uctriton00]

p.s. the avatar choices in this game are terrible, why is everyone using an orange background

[uctriton00]

hello it's as if nobody read my wall

[uctriton00]

And what is this quickwagon ******** on FuDuzn, citing "Shisou was bad"?

6 posts, all of them relating around the questioning of kcudzu, and that's "bad"? There was nothing bad about that, it's null and now the quickwagoners are trying to make it into something of merit to give precedence to policy lynch fuduzn who is also nullier than null. 445 is the worst post of his, and even so I don't see that as bad as what I found in Bacde's iso.

[uctriton00]

ughh I want to say that its definitely possible that both AP and mastin2 are town

Well by deducing that your scum PM says Baboon/GNR and Siuever are your teammates, then AP and mastin would be town.

[uctriton00]

hhh

This doesn't not help. There's a ton of **** to read, including everyone's reads on you.

[uctriton00]

Does this FuDuzn wagon not scream scum behind a veil of APATHY to anyone???

Nobody?

[uctriton00]

[uctriton00]

As of this post, Deadline in 1 day, 6 hours, 20 minutes

yeah where the hell did our backup mod go

[uctriton00]

Someone double check

[uctriton00]

Told you about AP/FuDuzn being scum and Bacde being town

Psyche why should the vig claim?

And Siveure why claim?

[uctriton00]

Attacks UTC, who is attacking AP.

I'm in.

Vote: Scott Brosious

I will get to reading the game again for Psyche and the other person someone else wanted me to look at.

[uctriton00]

Post. Didn't get around to rereading.

But my read on Scott Brosius is what the other person pointed out, in the "ooo defensive, I'm going to remember that" comment. If there's anything worse than baboon's actions, it's what Scott just wrote right there. baboon was my biggest scum read, but the read on Scott is much better.

[uctriton00]

I have Sievure as a clear by mastin's death.

I also have Guy Named Riggs as one of my original reads, combined with how desparate the mod needed to get the night extended, making me think he was indeed the last scum and needed to send in a kill.

Vote: Guy Named Riggs / DeasVail

[uctriton00]

Psyche who are you talking about in 727

[uctriton00]

Psyche, was talking about the second line of the post

"Course I suppose the scum would have reasoned that he must die in that context and NKed him."

[uctriton00]

PimHel, which post was that?
And as far as not going for Riggs yesterday, I loved Scott's case because I really liked everything in 678 by mastin.

The last of my strong scum reads is GNR, who is still here, and conveniently the mod had to extend the night so his slot could "catch up".

[uctriton00]

Vote Psyche

Also, no. If he's town, he could be cleared. Riggs was being replaced. Had the mafia killed someone in that time period, then we could have dduced that Riggs couldn't have kkilled anyone, making him town.
For that logic, mods should wait for a replacement during night phase.

It's this post.

Also, doesn't seem you agreed with everything here

1. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I've seen cases where mod just makes a replacement, saying "ok day 8 begins, hello. also, this guy is replacing so and so". As in, they didn't insert an arbitrary delay for the other person to read and submit night actions. Your logic makes sense though in that, the mod risks clearing a slot.

Unvote: GNR

I'm going to make a reread again and see what I get instead. I promised to reread a few posts ago but hopefully I should have more time tomorrow.

2. I did agree with the mastin wall about Scott. When I said "But my read on Scott Brosius is what the other person pointed out", the other person was mastin.

[uctriton00]

Ok this is dumb.

Sieuv what was the point of fake claiming vig?

[uctriton00]

Uct, for great trolls.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4743737

At this point I don't trust Siv anymore, as much as I trusted that other person from another game who came in to waste other people's time.

Unvote

Vote: Siv

And KBW for a PL if Siv flips.

And if both of them flip, and then DeasVail is still alive and he doesn't flip, then kill me after that (actually that would be a LYLO imo since we have 7 people alive).

I'll make an effort this week like many other people have been promising. It's a holiday weekend so it's been tough and work has been busier which is my normal gameplay time during lunch.

[uctriton00]

I read pages 30 to 35 which is basically the new content. I still need to do the ISOs of the scum kills like someone suggested we do.

Imagine if you're the final scum in this game, and you have no partners to bus or no backup. The best attitude in the game to take is to blend in, look like you're contributing, and get "onto" wagons, instead of "driving" wagons. It's the only way for scum to get out of this alive. Nothing in those pages had pushed me away from GNR/DeasVail. I don't like the attitude of "well I think it could be this person, but I don't mind going for this person if you guys want", which fits into the modus operandi of last scum, from that last post (I think 749).

There's plenty of OMGUS for me to eat up in DV's fingering of me in his ISO post of myself (in 787). Let's pause to answer your questions, DV:
663 = yes sarcasm
683 = how could that sentence "oh defensive, I'm going to make a mental note of that" not look incredibly scummy? I've seen similar sentences from scum before ("if this person you [uctriton] are lynching today flips town, i'm going to keep a close eye on you tomorrow").

Moving onto the other wagon, I don't get anything good from the Psyche case, other than fuzzy pointing out that deflecting is scummy as heck. I've been down to last scum standing and I've deflected many a time too. But in my own read of his ISO, I get 485 and 572. 485, Psyche claims that his first vote on AP is a sheep. He then says "hey look AP is being a badass" on 572, which looks like some kind of sarcastic attack. It looks like a soft bus vote, to make it looks like he just doesn't "like" AP.

Last player I get is Siv. The problem I have is that Siv trolled around and said he's the vig, and now KBW says he's the vig. Psyche makes a case against Siv, who at this point is a prime PL choice, even by myself.

I sat here wondering why DV doesn't intent to hammer, and I think as DV scum, you can't be the hammer, so that's why he's off the Psyche.

Initially I wanted GNR because I thought mod made a snafu saying that he needed to extend the game because of a replacement, meaning the game can't continue until someone fills the last scum slot. But at least this read of DV's language makes more sense in that he could be scum.

At this rate, I am voting DV, and am having Siv and Psyche under "must be town because these posts are too dumb for scum" for Siv's fake claim and Psyche's 650 of "hey make the vig claim"

Vote: DeasVail

[uctriton00]

Why did you quote what you did in 683 then?

An associate tell; if someone is attacking your teammate, you attack the attacker

[uctriton00]

Okay, so, I'm thinking perhaps Uct would be a good lynch for today.

Are you scum too? I get why DV is voting me, but wtf is this vote for

[uctriton00]

Is there anything specific about my cases that makes them wrong?

I don't have any beef with them, it's just that I'm not sold on Siv being the last scum alive, and going around fake claiming.

Granted, the last game I played in, a player bussed his teammate on Day 1, and I was thinking that there's no way someone would do that in a 2 scum game, but what do you know, wham, he LYLOd to the end. That + my gut feeling on GNR/DV = me liking the DV case better than the Siv case.

[uctriton00]

Because I think he's scum.

Ffs, psyche.

What did you, fuzzybutternut, read that makes you see me as scum?

[uctriton00]

I'm mad.

I step in and contribute after getting my day 1 reads wrong, and now everything I say is scum. (Yes that's an ATE, my meta is full of it, see my one Micro game where I blow it by acting this same way because I tried to be a leader and scum lol their way to a victory, my worst game by far).

This is going ******* terrible and I honestly don't give a damn since im a VT anyway and my death will at least shut DV up and make people suspicpus of him. Psyche is the only one who seems to get me.

Pimhel vote is honest confusion and I'm not mad at him.
Not mad at psyche obviously.
Not mad at key blade since he seems to be an innocent bystander and if he hammers I understand its for info.
Fuzzy is just a sheep in this game; look at his ISO, it's possible he's scum.
DV is scum so he's just doing what his role pm says.

DV, then Fuzzy.

If you are in lylo with psyche and Pimhel, then I see psyche going down and Pimhel probably winning, idk that's just a guess.

[uctriton00]

Who am I missing, oh yeah, the fake vigilante.

If he wins and is scum then that's hilarious.

[uctriton00]

Link for reference:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=200

I drove a mislynch on Zabriel, then I began just trying to put together what went wrong. As I continued to think out loud, I was looked at as scummy, and thus game ended on the LYLO when I was voted, and post game everyone pretty much said I single handedly lost the game for town.

I only post this to show that what Psyche said is actually very accurate, and his town read on me is correct. Because basically I feel like with 3 votes on me in just 2 pages, that I'm toast.

I seriously want you guys to look at DV if I get hammered in the next some-odd posts.

[uctriton00]

Hmm, please don't lynch Uct yet.

lol

[uctriton00]

and I do think there's reason for him to be town as well.

Please expound on this

[uctriton00]

What did you, fuzzybutternut, read that makes you see me as scum?

Fuzzy, what do you see in uctriton00 that is scum

[uctriton00]

DV
PSYCHE
???

Can the other 4 of us all vote DV then to end this game

[uctriton00]

Fuzzy's incommitableness to cases and ease of jumping back and forth between votes (and general sheeping) is either a weak ass town player who doesn't want to try, or is scum trying to slide by but not go so "out there" he gets himself hung for his actions.

Let's see if the wagon disbands

Intent

on fuzzy

[uctriton00]

Great

[uctriton00]

Nobody, and I mean nobody, has ever given a damn to vote DV, so if DV is the final scum, then the loss isn't on me. There's only so much one voice can do to try to convince others to vote with him, and if it's not going to happen now (especially after I mucked two of my other reads on Day 1), then it's never going to happen. Read the Guy Named Riggs ISO, see if it's as fishy as you think, and take him to L-1, where I will intent to hammer. I seriously don't see anything in PimHel or Psyche.

I will intent to hammer of Guy Named Riggs / DV ever gets to L-1.

But damn, Siv is getting on my nerves. First he votes me, and then he plays the "eh I'm bored" card, while playing the "lol I fake claimed" troll and got called the hell out on it and backed off. Don't effing reward that.

Vote: Siv

[uctriton00]

my bad, Baboon is the original ISO.

Read the baboon ISO, then the GNR one, then the DV one. Don't all three of their actions all show similar plotlines?
- No getting extremely angry or upset
- No strong fingerpoints against either FuDuzn or AngryPidgeon, the two confirmed scum
- GNR and DV both saying "been busy".

What does that mean? It doesn't meant I think they're lying; people get busy, that's why days are a billion days long in mafiascum. What it does mean is GNR and DV are both replacing into a scum slot, and it's natural for them to play their cards carefully. Keep proper posturing, keep proper stancing, make sure everything you say/do is consistent. To do that, you can't go HAM or yolo or reckless into arguments and votes, because the second you slip, *bam* you'd be toast. To be successful mafia, you have to do careful reads, which take a lot of time, and are hard to do when you're busy in real life.

Otherwise, those of us who pop in and go scumhunting, we know we have nothing to lose. We're here to go hard.

My vote is on Siv because Pimhel nor Psyche have not shown an interest in voting DV. But if you two (or even Siv) finally move to DV to L-1, I will gladly call intent.

[uctriton00]

I've done my cases a few times already. Other people need to speak.

[uctriton00]

Psyche and DV have bro'd out and are a two man voting bloc.

Does anyone think that someone is playing the other person? It happens all the time, that's what LYLO looks like.

unvote

[uctriton00]

Now for Pim to chime in

And Siv can actually do something more than just say "this is a vote to make stuff happen cause I'm so bored with this game la la la i just want something to happen o wells"

[uctriton00]

Psyche is playing the perfect Day 4 right now, and is either the smartest townie in this game, or super advantageous scum.

I'm going to be fully honest right now; I don't care if Siv is scum, or a townie troll, I think the game will be more fun for everyone if he just gets voted out, or he gets modkilled or something; just so we stop wasting each other's time.

Vote: Siv

[uctriton00]

And if anyone has qualms about being "the hammer", I'll unvote and then I'll hammer. idgaf

And if by any chance when I'm gone this weekend (I'll be on VLA soon) and I die, then god help you in LYLO if they leave both DV and Siv in it.

[uctriton00]

in which case i hope pim or psyche win the game, regardless of their alignment.

ok rant over

[uctriton00]

Does DV seriously have a hammer vote between 2 wagons?

[uctriton00]

lol mod, I saw that

PimHel and DV, what do you think about Siv?

[uctriton00]

Prod

[uctriton00]

Ha, so Pim was waiting to use his power in LYLO, makes sense.

And did I NOT call this exact scenario happening right now?

Everyone in the dead topic reading this, I'm the last town, if that's not effing obvious at this point.

[uctriton00]

*knocking on double sided glass*

Psyche I know you can hear me.

So you sacrificed yourself to kill Siv, by selling Pim a vote. Pim is now dead, and everyone knows I want DV dead.

This is essentially scum Sivs perfect setup. He offed Pim (who had guaranteed his vote) and left me in LYLO to vote for DV.

I can either:
Listen to to you psyche and vote Siv
Or listen to myself and vote DV

No lie I do have VLA coming this weekend but I'd rather do this before that starts
Any hard feelings if I vote DV?

[uctriton00]

Or maybe I've been wrong the whole game anyway

And scum Siv had nothing to gain anyway after losing his last two teammates and felt alone, so he just went trolling along thinking the game was lost anyway, without trying seriously.

[uctriton00]

DROP THE BASS

Vote: Siveure DtTrikyp

[uctriton00]

Is there a dead topic? I want to see what others would have chosen

[uctriton00]

Nvm just saw it.

I wanted DV all game and cast the most votes against him and walled him, but nobody liked his slot to be scum but I did decide to walk away on my own because I second guessed myself and thought the Siv troll read was much better

[uctriton00]

That LYLO setup was perfect though. Killing off Pim set up scum Siv easily.

[uctriton00]

If only Psyche wasn't forced to suicide, both he and I would have wasted the D4 lynch on Siv LIKE WE WANTED TO

BELIEVE IN THE PENGUIN!

THANK YOU!

jeebus!

[uctriton00]

I was surprised I wasn't pegged as the 3rd mafia after that complete whiff and a miss. I thought I was easily going to be lynched after that.

[uctriton00]

p.s. i still did get that GNR read

I still hate how we couldn't take out Siv that day. There's no way he was a viable person to leave in lylo. Kill all trolls before you get to that point, you have to. Scum are never going to off them for you.

[uctriton00]

I now have two trolls who flipped town, which sets me up for enough WIFOM for my future games.

If Siv went down, it would have been ofc DV, Psyche, Pim, Me, to which I don't think DV could have escaped any LYLO combination at that point.

Going to be so mad at myself for having a town LYLO hammer for the first time ever in Mafia and getting it wrong =(

[uctriton00]

Realized I hadn't even congratulated DV on surviving 4 game days, nice job.

I can't believe how good my read was on the baboon/GNR/DV slot. The pillars of scumhunting:
1. Believing in yourself
2. Making others believe you

Like Psyche said, after my bad reads on Day 1 on two town members, I lost my credibility.

All it takes is one bad decision from saving the game for the town, to watching it all slip away.

*cries* ;_;

Long after I stop playing this online game, this is going to be probably be one of my most favorite games as a townie, even with me losing.

[uctriton00]

I have Sievure as a clear by mastin's death.

I also have Guy Named Riggs as one of my original reads, combined with how desparate the mod needed to get the night extended, making me think he was indeed the last scum and needed to send in a kill.

Vote: Guy Named Riggs / DeasVail

This was also kind of right too