Open 482: Popcorn Mafia {Game Over}

[Juke]

Limo is very likely town. Whoever can say why will get bonus points.

[Juke]

Juke: Do you mean 'bonus points' as in town points? Because, given that the role PMs are public, there is no information that town can have that makes them more likely to figure out what you're saying than scum.

Shhhhh.

[Juke]

I just realized that I was wrong in my reasoning of Limo-town. It was because he replaced in, and the game started four minutes later, giving him no time to choose who got the gun. However, I was discounting the possibility that the Mafia could have just made the decision without him, or more likely, he could have just said he agreed with their target when he came in.

[Juke]

Shit, I did it again.

[Juke]

mcqueen's probably town.

[Juke]

He voted someone, and he doesn't really seem to have knowledge of the setup. If he were scum, he would definitely have that knowledge.

[Juke]

The point about lack of knowledge on the setup still stands.

[Juke]

It made me consider it. It was initially due to the vote, but I continued to look after I saw that and decided that his lack of knowledge of the setup was a towntell.

What's your opinion on it?

[Juke]

wut

[Juke]

@Bum:

/confirm

Wtf kind of Setup is this.

This is what I was talking about with the lack of knowledge. This was after the game had started, and the Mafia had already chosen who to give a gun to. I don't see mcqueen saying this as scum who had already chosen a target.

@Limo: I have past experience with mcqueen. I kinda doubt he would do that as scum, especially since I don't think he's played in awhile.

[Juke]

If that's the case, then I don't really see him saying it here over saying it in the scum QT.

Which is a way worse tell than what I originally thought, but I refuse to be wrong twice.

[Juke]

mcqueen, I'm kondi.

[Juke]

Sup.

[Juke]

Sorry about that

Our gambit didn't really work out as planned. In the end, it was Quilford vs. one of our partners, and there were connection tells.

[Juke]

VOTE: Jal

[Juke]

Explain?

[Juke]

I just don't understand how they're more likely to come from scum than town.

[Juke]

Here, but not really. I will be when I get home from school, though.

[Juke]

4 scum not three.

Was just about to say this.

Also, never shoot HadMatter.

Reading up on this soon, getting into a game I replaced into first.

[Juke]

Well, 7/4 with an Innocent Child and a lynch decided by town alone.

[Juke]

Nope

[Juke]

Actually, this game is hilariously easy now. HadMatter is obvious town, and we only need one more strong townread in order to have an autowin in a 2-3 LyLo.

[Juke]

HadMatter is town because of this:

I fully and completely thought it was 8/3. No wonder the average scumminess level in this thread is so high. 7/4 is going to be really tough to win.

And we only need two townies to not be shot to win. So all we really need to do is locate a second player as town and we win automatically.

Alternatively, if another scum gets shot, we can win outright.

[Juke]

Why?

[Juke]

What's wrong with my plan?

[Juke]

Find one more town, shoot everyone else.

[Juke]

Yup. Do you need an explanation?

[Juke]

No. My cunning plan is "Find one more town; shoot everyone else," which is much more simple than finding scum.

[Juke]

Not really. It wins us the game.

Who's talking right now?

[Juke]

Just curious. It didn't sound like Cheery.

[Juke]

I still haven't caught up, but scumhunting is basically useless here. I can answer those later if you want, though.

[Juke]

AP your case sucks

Phoneposting:

Your attack basically amounts to "He looks like he's trying to look town by saying we need to find town." This doesn't make any sense, but I'll break down the specifics. To justify why the plan is GOOD, it's much easier to find town than it is to find scum, so finding two town to win will be easier than finding the only two scum to win. I also don't have any illusion that I'm some obvious town, as I did shit all until RP shot two scum. Furthermore, that plan actually really sucks if I'm scum because, as soon as my partner gets shot, I've set myself up to lose at LyLo (unless you're suggesting I'm partners with HadMatter, which you obviously aren't).

In regards to your second post, you don't seem to point out shenanigans on anything but my plan. Elaborate?

[Juke]

Dude. All it's saying is that we just have to find TWO TOWNIES. Y'know, as opposed to TWO SCUM or FOUR TOWNIES.

[Juke]

You're making the assumption that I want shots to be arbitrary. I'm saying that it's more important to try to find town now than to try to find scum, which everyone is ignoring. Without solidifying town-reads now, scum will just focus on planning to look town later.

PEdit: The first one makes no sense as to why it makes me scum, the second one is me trying to prolong our conversation to determine whether you're stupid or scum, and the last one is wrong.

[Juke]

I haven't really looked much at the game at all besides what new posts were made since the shots, but Mac felt passive to me. There wasn't much of a read.

And you're wrong. One, I actually think you could be stupid, and two, AGAIN, I think townhunting should be out top priority.

[Juke]

Cherry, shoot him. He'll shoot me, and he's a distraction.

[Juke]

lolno

[Juke]

Lol, you just proposed a whole lot of crap, the punchline of which was to imply that you are town because me shooting you would kill me. THAT is hugely scummy in itself (trying to imply you are town subtly). But you also managed to admit that Im town in the same post despite thinking Im suspicious since replacing in. So thats hilarious.

1. Or, I could be saying that BECAUSE I AM TOWN.

2. Point out where I've said I thought you were suspicious.


Cheery/N, I request that you shoot AP. If they're scum, they die, and if they're town, they'll shoot me and die, therefore no longer being a distraction.

[Juke]

That doesn't imply I'm leaning one way or another on it.

[Juke]

(Yes, I thought about what I would do if I replaced in to a scumslot before seeing my card).

...except you had a townread on Mac, I thought?

[Juke]

Ah, okay.

[Juke]

I've had something really important come up, if you're shooting me say so now so I can clear some time

[Juke]

Here, shoot me quick, I'll shoot AP.