Open 474 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over!

[ArcAngel9]

This is now a prod-dodge post.

Except I have to go vote the non-confirmer
VOTE: Spencer22

thats vague!!
VOTE: Cherry Dog

[ArcAngel9]

Neither did me assuming you were scum because of it in tit for tat. (open 455)
Doesn't stop me from making assumptions based on the same thing.

Oh well, you guys seem to know each other well.
So Cheery tell me... do you know how Klick scum play is?

[ArcAngel9]

Do

you

know how my scum play is?

By the way, Jacob, if you don't remember, I'm _Sherlock_.

Nope, I don't so I am trying to know that...

[ArcAngel9]

Cool. I'm completely terrible as scum and get lynched by Page 3 every time. I'm totally confirmed town because I haven't scumslipped.

Its too soon for you too do any slips but if if you're scum..am sure there will be one to find.
so Is there anyone who played with Jacob when he was scum?

[ArcAngel9]

Actually just go and read here, that'll give you a good enough Idea

How can I make something like that? like my own page..

[ArcAngel9]

Cool. I'm completely terrible as scum and get lynched by Page 3 every time. I'm totally confirmed town because I haven't scumslipped.

Its too soon for you too do any slips but if if you're scum..am sure there will be one to find.
so Is there anyone who played with Jacob when he was scum?

No one in existence unfortunately.
Well unless you count Serial Killer as scum (note: I don't) then your better off looking here, but that was like 2 years ago so...

I hate that serial killing job.

[ArcAngel9]

Just a quick note, when I said "not that it means anything, being the norm and all" I mean that this is mafia and so everybody should be distrusted. Personally, having seen HD's play style and knowing him, I trust him the most out of everybody since I have something to go off of. Though I will confess upon re-reading it, I found it scummy myself. Not sure what you mean by contrasting tones, I found it such due to the "Or at least apparently I seem that way" in combination with the aforementioned in parentheses parts, which make it seem to much like I'm trying to cover for further actions.

Though I'm not really helping my case, though I will be helping my point, I tend to just post without thinking unless specifically making a lengthy analysis of another player. As such, sometimes I'll post things which don't exactly look the best, or which contradict things I've already said or the facts. The only upside to this is that it means I'm pretty truthful. Or I could not be, and instead be scummy as hell. My only defense towards that is I'm not stupid, so if I'm scum, I'd probably be covering my tracks a little better. Uh, yeah, rather then debate myself, since it's the only thing I see to do, I'll let you people.

This post worries me. How could you trust someone straight away when the game begins before even knowing what their role could be? I know some of the players may be comfortable with the players that they have played mafia game earlier but trusting someone blindly just because you had played few games before is a very suicidal. And you have contradicted yourself with the opening statement about everybody should be distrusted because this is Mafia. And how could be ready being in HD’s pocket.

And saying things like Not stupid, not scum is pretty stupid. And all scums have access to say that they all are pretty truthful. I am not saying you’re lying about this but it’s too soon to say anything you have said so far.. It’s like you wanted to appear that you’re venerable and want to have others believe. Just FYI. IGMEONY!!

[ArcAngel9]

(also, I'll say that I'm very easily readable - whatever you feel first, I'm the opposite alignment. )

But I feel your town....

VOTE: Klick

Then what do you think of this?

I am wondering why its concerning you! so what is it with you and Klick, He kind of claimed that you guys have some mutual trust or something. so you trust him?

[ArcAngel9]

Who is Serra?

[ArcAngel9]

For clarification once again: When I say I trust HD the most our of everybody, that do not means I trust him. All that I mean is I trust him more then the rest of you, since I know him and so could judge him better. Also, I don't really get the problem with what I said: I'm enlightening the rest of the game on how I tend to play. No matter what, I can't prove myself as village, and being an impossible goal, was not my intention. Should this not be my normal play style, and so I'm lying about meta, HD could easily object, unless people mean to imply that we're both lying, the only possible reason for being we're both scum. At this early phase, since once again, neither of us are stupid, we wouldn't try such an event which could out us so early.

Anyway, pretty much what I mean to say from all of this is that I'm only explaining my play style, it being impossible to clean myself so early, and that if I'm lying, you would know via HD. Now, just because the way I play is what some consider scummy, just my pointing it out doesn't make me clean. Thing is, it also shouldn't make me suspicious. Either way, it doesn't provide any information towards my alignment which can't be second-guessed, and so the only outcome one should get from it is information about my play.

Let me put it like this: I have two possible ways to play, both with advantages as scum and village:

I can either check my posts, and make them all careful and calculated, trying to subtly accomplish goals, avoid slipping up, etc. As village, it could establish me as a strong leader, give my opinions more voice, which if I have confidence in their correctness would be a good thing, and over all hopefully have a positive effect on the game. It would also prevent people from suspecting me as much and so not waste people's time. Downsides are that if I slip up about anything, it would be hard to explain.

As scum, playing in such a style would be useful as it would allow me to use the information I possessed to attempt to control and manipulate the game, shifting attention from my partners in an attempt to cause mislynches. I would be unlikely to be lynched myself, which for a mafioso is a great thing, and would give me voice. Overall, all helpful things. Some might question me, but as long as I stayed calm, which I could definitely do, hopefully there would be no harm. Worst case scenario, I get lynched, in which case I can put traps on misinformation into my posts.

The second option would be the one I have chosen:

Simply say what I think and feel, attempting honesty at all times. Explain myself and my actions to players, attempting to eliminate criticism that's unfounded and provide opinions. Most likely I won't have much voice, and my opinions won't me as much. Also, due to how it works, generally most suspect me. Plus are though that should I live to late game, most should get a very good read on me, and so at that point it would be highly advantages. Also, as it seems to have done already, it tends to generate much discussion. Also, the reason why I picked it, it's simpler to do, and I'm lazy.

This option would also be good as scum though. As mentioned, if I can get through initial criticism and play well, it could lead to a late-game victory, and the general suspicion and so chance of being a lynch target would be a good reason for why I wasn't getting killed. All actions would seem pro village, and as long as I avoided partnering with my scumbuddies, it would have a high chance of success. Also, especially via explaining this whole set-up, it provides a great fake-out play. Nobody would expect a scum to do this and then ruin the strategy by explaining it all, and too choose the option which, of the two scum options, at first seems the lesser, and then make it out to be the greater.

Point being, there are valid explanations for playing just about any way for any side, and so based off an early game announcement of one's play style, it's extremely hard and really just luck what you get from it, at least in a situation with a player like me who dissects the game. All you can get is an idea how they should play, and then see if it holds up. And don't point out the irony of me choosing this style because it's easier, then making these tl;dr posts. I realize it, and it's since I can just type without thinking, even if it takes a while to type.

Wait, so you’re saying that you Trust HD and you don’t him too. And If I understood you correctly… your play style is mainly trusting him and playing for him too is your play style. That’s awfully confusing!!! Look, I am happy that you found someone to put your faith blindly and believe them as townie and trust them and not trust them at the same time but this is not helping anyone.

Your post looks very emotional and HD response to your post is pretty null. No offense that this relation of yours with HD is vague. I am not complaining or either asking why you trust him but all this talk and giving free pass to HD because your personal is not the right game play.

And that is very scummy too. But It’s your choice how you want to play. I have one question for you.. so, What do you do if HD flips Scum?

[ArcAngel9]

ArcAngel9, y u no reading comprehension?

What I'm saying is I have no clear idea of how any of you will play, while I have a slight idea how HD will play. That means I can understand the way he posts a little better then for everybody else, and so I trust him more. I still don't trust him, but in comparison to the rest of you, he's the one I think, at this time, I could most accurately judge. So, I trust him to be understandable, not a certain alignment. If he flipped scum, as I've already stated, I'm not the best at getting reads off of feelings, and so I wouldn't be surprised. I won't follow him blindly, and want you to show me were in my posts I say I will. Our relation is that we've played mafia together and talked on a different site.

Well , that was my understanding based on your post.
And my point is, Why you trust him instead of giving benefit of doubt. If he is scum, He would obviously going to use you as his shield as you already appears like that you will come in his defense when he is going to need you.

[ArcAngel9]

Also, to add on, I am not understanding at all where people are getting my posts being emotional from. Even if it's a single sentence, I would like somebody to show me exactly what makes it seem that way.

Haven't you given a thought that others may be right about that?

[ArcAngel9]

Is there any one also thinks That KX is posts are null or Is it just me?

[ArcAngel9]

I see it as working with what I know. I know myself and how I plan to play, so I comment on that. I don't know about anybody else, and don't see anything I can comment on. Otherwise I would be posting just about nothing, which is far from helpful and almost detrimental. I figure that the more information it out there, the better it is for the village. If I'm wrong, then correct me. Should information appear on something which I feel I can comment on, then I will. For now though, I do the best that I can which remains useful.

In response to Nic, I'll admit the multi-paragraph post wasn't the most helpful, and could have been shortened, but it was to prove a point. Other the the TL;DR nature, how is the information not helpful? It's proving something to talk about, it gives people insight into my play style since there's no meta, and if gives something for people to go off of. Also, I tend to be a reckless person. I don't exactly crave attention, but see no problem with sticking out, and won't change my attitude to avoid doing so.

And, rather then talk about myself, many of you will be happy to know that I plan to soon make a semi-constructive post of how I see the game so far based on other people.

phew... i am doing a favor to you...

So did you find anything scummy from anyone so far? something ususual or something looks like they're trying to be something that they're not?
say anything..just anything else which is not about you...

[ArcAngel9]

Do you have reads on any other players?

And how about you?

[ArcAngel9]

[quote="In post 146, goodmorning
@AA9: What do you think of Josh?[/quote]

Josh is a person i am bit concerned about, He randomly votes me first and after 3 pages laters he made another posting saying that "every body is arguing over nothing" and later he gives bit lecture to KX , and right after he votex KX. Over all 7 pages he has been nothing but "Null"
I don't know Josh before neither i have ever played with him I am wondering if this is how he play or he is scum and trying to avoid facing the game?

Unvote

VOTE: Josh

[ArcAngel9]

We through with 7 pages game and everybody got something to add value but Josh had practically nothing. I think that is good enough for me to see him that he intentionally being null to avoid being part of discussion.

[ArcAngel9]

Less input than Spencer?

May be not, Spencer hasn't made any posts to tell anything about him... At least there are no posts from him its not a good thing but not as worst as making null posts that helps no one...

And about Spencer.. He hasn't made any posts. Aren't we suppose to asking for Prod?

[ArcAngel9]

About whoom you're talking about?

[ArcAngel9]

II'm addressing Serra about KX

okies.. Next tiem..please quote to user post. its confusing when there is gap and the posts are not quoted accordingly.

[ArcAngel9]

Oh.. Don't send me away. I was sick on Sat and Sun
I am here ... Give me sometime to catch up.....

[ArcAngel9]

I have finished my catch up... I haven't changed my read on Josh, He still looks scummy to me and over the 5 page he hasn't done anything to defend himself and according to the Mod he is currently under prod. so I am not going waste my vote someone who is obviously going to be replaced. so

unvote josh

for now!! If Josh is back. I ll change my vote back to him.

Another person i am concerned about is Good Morning, He agrees with everyone about Josh being scum but actually didn't vote him, and his reads on others didn't sit well as posted.

VOTE: GoodMorning

[ArcAngel9]

For me the list is..

Town

ArcAngel
HD
KX
Serra
Docteur
Jacob

Unsure

Cheery
Klick
Nic
Venorb

Scum

Josh
Goodmorning

Null

Spencer

[ArcAngel9]

i had a very tiring day..so i am going to respond when i get up.

[ArcAngel9]

[quote="In post 297, Human Destroyer"]Arc, what in particular about GM's reads don't you like?

I don't feel positive about GM's, He initially seems nice and all with KX and agreed with everyone that Josh is being odd and stuff, but actually didn't vote him. when I asked him reason for not voting Josh, His response doesn't seem genuine, His responded saying that he want to give benefit of doubt and rather want the day extended, if you feel someone scum it shouldn't basically stop you voting but that is not something that worried me about him right now, what worries me that, He voted Josh after everyone started his odd behavior of not voting Josh, that's a scary attitude.

That is is not it, He again said that i am ignoring facts and making my own facts, anyone who can read this thread can tell you that what i was talking about Josh wasn't incorrect. He clearly twisting my words here..

Initially I wasn't really sure about this person's behavior, All i found that his actions and responses didn't sit well but now i am now confident that he is scum. and i am not changing my vote from him.

[ArcAngel9]

Another person i am concerned about is Good Morning, He agrees with everyone about Josh being scum but actua
lly didn't vote him

You want him to have hammered now, yet you've now gone and taken your vote off him? This just doesn't make sense. My leaning town read on you has now dissolved.

What I meant was that, I found Josh scummy but he was prodded and there was a good chance he could replaced, so i changed my vote someone who i think may be scum. If everyone decides to lynch Josh i want to make sure that others know that i am with them on that.

[ArcAngel9]

Hmm, goodmorning actually makes a good point there.

ArcAngel: why did you mention Josh's RVS vote on you?

.

Where did i mention that my vote on Josh's was RVS, it was indeed serious vote. Where did you get that idea from?

[ArcAngel9]

And Jennifer replaces Josh Lyman! Loads of thanks, Jennifer!

Look, This was the something i was talking about..!!!

[ArcAngel9]

HD & Serra,
What is your read on GM?

[ArcAngel9]

Josh is a person i am bit concerned about, He randomly votes me first

and after 3 pages laters he made another posting saying that "every body is arguing over nothing" and later he gives bit lecture to KX , and right after he votex KX. Over all 7 pages he has been nothing but "Null"

I don't know Josh before neither i have ever played with him I am wondering if this is how he play or he is scum and trying to avoid facing the game?

Unvote

VOTE: Josh

ArcAngel, this is the post GM and I were referring to. It's odd that in making a case against Josh you would mention "he RVS votes me" that far into the game. RVS votes are really irrelevant as soon as we've left RVS. Also, it's somewhat inconsistent that you decide he's been mostly null, but then vote him anyways. Your vote on Josh seems a bit fabricated overall.

I'm still leaning town on GM, although I'm interested to see how Jenn's case plays out.

Did you forget reading the other points that i mentioned about Josh, or you left for your convenience?
Josh made random votes with no reads, and he acted as ignorant through out the 7 pages game, so i was comfortable voting him...

and what is surprising me is that how you don't see GM scummy, He has was doing nothing than just twisting the game. how can you don't see that? and HD?

About Jennifer, although my read on Josh is still the same. Jennifer is a new person so i give another shot for josh/jennifer. So far she is been better Josh for sure!!

[ArcAngel9]

[quote="In post 391,

@294/AA, AA scum replace out just as well. If you think he's scum continue voting him. Josh being voted isn't just pressure it's because of a genuine desire to have him lynched. And AA can you give short reasons explaining your reads? (or long if you want to wall)
[/quote]

do you mean all or anyone specific?

AA jennifer came. So what happened to the read on her and doesn't the reason you unvoted her die if the slot's active again?

Explained in the post above!!!

[ArcAngel9]

and what is surprising me is that how you don't see GM scummy, He has was doing nothing than just twisting the game. how can you don't see that? and HD?

Is this a question being asked towards me or are you asking it about me?

Its a question for you and Sera about GM, considering you have already ignored my question once. I am no longer sure if you're part of town or not.

[ArcAngel9]

Arc: Sure, you mentioned other stuff, but mentioning Josh's random vote on you is very odd. Everyone makes random votes without reads in RVS, that's really not something you have any reason to bring up.

Look, do you know what would have been really odd?
If i had mentioned his rvs vote as reason to put my vote would be an odd reason.
Why are you trying bold one point out of bunch of my reasons from Josh's vote.. and i was asking your read on GoodMorning and you been shifting topic back to Josh and me... I don't like going in circles...

[ArcAngel9]

@Arc

Jennifer's case actually interests me a lot, but I like my vote where it is currently.

Taking Jenn's case into account, I'd say GM's floating somewhere in the null range.

I did answer it though...

well that was it? that was looking more like that you don't want talk about him than considering into facts that i mentioned about him.

[ArcAngel9]

Who is GM?

GM means GoodMorning!
And tell me, Why are you being less poster on this game? Considering to your history for not being scum for son long. I am having second thoughts on your read... and ignorance is not your regular fashion... Are you Scum?

[ArcAngel9]

1) Jacob is scummier.

2) Her main focus of attack is goodmorning, why wouldn't she have two scum reads?

P-Edit: @Docteur

Who is HER, here?

[ArcAngel9]

Who is GM?

GM means GoodMorning!
And tell me, Why are you being less poster on this game? Considering to your history for not being scum for son long. I am having second thoughts on your read... and ignorance is not your regular fashion... Are you Scum?

Jacob, you better not ignore this post!!!!

[ArcAngel9]

@Arc

Jennifer's case actually interests me a lot, but I like my vote where it is currently.

Taking Jenn's case into account, I'd say GM's floating somewhere in the null range.

I did answer it though...

well that was it? that was looking more like that you don't want talk about him than considering into facts that i mentioned about him.

Well GM was a slight town read before, and now she's moved to null because the cases on her interest me. There isn't really much more to talk about there. >.>

P-Edit: Her=Jennifer

so you're happy voting Jennifer?

[ArcAngel9]

Gotcha, i was confirming!!!
And your thoughts on Sera?

[ArcAngel9]

Also the fact I haven't been scum in so long doesn't actually change my chances of being scum.

i can't expect a better answer that and i can't tell you how true that could be... but that's not what worrying me.. I played two games with you as town and .. you seem to be different here.... its your playstyle. Why?

[ArcAngel9]

HAHAHA 4 pages since this morning? Good one, guys. Wait, seriously?

Goodmorning for starting a stream of anti-town posts.

Pics or it didn't happen

OK, where? You're making a pretty brazen assertion here sans evidence.

Answer this please.

Okay, since you are insisting that your list of reads were in hard rank order, and Nic was indeed your third scummiest read..
...why are you now voting your fourth scummiest read instead of your third scummiest? Or second? (Josh/I was your scummiest read)
Also, please show me the exact posts that were made that led to you deciding to vote AA9 over your scummier reads Nik and Ven.
And another also, what do you think about the fact that two of your scum reads (Nic and Ven) were on the same wagon you were on until just recently?

Past tense is the key there. AA9's random assumptions and apparent lack of attentiveness to actual things going on in the game led me to push her two spots down the list. She is now at the bottom, as replacement-you is in replacement purgatory for a little while. So she is my scummiest read as of now.
The actual posts are the ones I pointed out in the 330s I think. My last posts before you replaced in. And they are no longer scummier reads because of those posts.
I think that scumreads (on D1 especially) are completely independent from each other. If some of my scumreads are voting some of my other scumreads, fine. I'll sort it out D3 or D4 (assuming I live so long) when speculation on teams can really come to the forefront.

GM... initially seems nice and all with KX and agreed with everyone that Josh is being odd and stuff, but actually didn't vote him. when I asked him reason for not voting Josh, His response doesn't seem genuine, His responded saying that he want to give benefit of doubt and rather want the day extended, if you feel someone scum it shouldn't basically stop you voting but that is not something that worried me about him right now, what worries me that, He voted Josh after everyone started his odd behavior of not voting Josh, that's a scary attitude.

1. I am a girl. That information is right under the picture of the cat beside all of my posts.
2. WHO WANTS A HAMMER LESS THAN A WEEK INTO D1???
3. I VOTED HIM BECAUSE HE WAS MY TOP SCUMREAD. YOU UNVOTED, AND THEREFORE I COULD VOTE HIM WITHOUT PREMATURELY ENDING THE DAY.
4. IF I WRITE IN CAPITALS WILL YOU ACTUALLY READ WHAT I AM SAYING, OR WILL YOU STILL IGNORE IT AND MAKE IT UP AS YOU GO? I'm willing to make some allowances for language, but this is just ridiculous.

Also, now that he's not at L-1,

Vote: Josh

Why would you put an inactive player back up to L-1? You didn't want to lynch him before, and you can't add pressure to a nobody.

Has been discussed, but
1. Didn't realize he was inactive at the time.
2. Did want to lynch him, just didn't want the Day to end prematurely.

On a lighter note:

and what is surprising me is that how you don't see GM scummy, He has was doing nothing than just twisting the game.

QFLOL.

Even skimming, goodmorning is mentioned in like every post

It's physically impossible to forget she's in the game if you've read it

Also QFLOL.

SCUM FOUND, PLEASE LYNCH THIS WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!!

[ArcAngel9]

Another person i am concerned about is Good Morning, He agrees with everyone about Josh being scum but actua
lly didn't vote him

You want him to have hammered now, yet you've now gone and taken your vote off him? This just doesn't make sense. My leaning town read on you has now dissolved.

What I meant was that, I found Josh scummy but he was prodded and there was a good chance he could replaced, so i changed my vote someone who i think may be scum. If everyone decides to lynch Josh i want to make sure that others know that i am with them on that.

But in your reasoning for the GM vote, you had him as scummy because he hadn't voted Josh and agreed with everyone else.
And it just doesn't make sense when GM wasn't the only person to have agreed with Josh being scummy but not voting him, is it just because of the readlists that you're only worried about one of those people that expressed interest in the Josh lynch but didn't vote?

I partially agree with you on the point that one could suspect someone but not necessarily vote them becuz it is possible that’s not always you reason might not good enough for voting.
Here is what I saw in GoodMorning posts.. Firstly, She had no opinion on Josh, she just agreed with everyone. I might have buy her reason for not voting if she actually have had any reasons except that she pick an easy way to show everyone that she is side with everyone on suspecting Josh , that was more like she was keeping her options to jump in Josh’s wagon, I am also one of them who highly suspects Josh and I still do but Good Morning’s accusation doesn’t seem genuine and more over when I pointed them, she started calling me scum instead of defending herself, that was the counter attack. Now, She is calling bigger scum than Josh because I am being more vocal now. It is okay to me that if others don’t see the GM’s scummy behaviour but this is extremely odd. I know what is my role and her behaviour and response is not something that I can expect from a townie person.

[ArcAngel9]

SCUM FOUND, PLEASE LYNCH THIS WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!!

SCUM FOUND, PLEASE LYNCH THIS WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL, And whats your read on GM!!!

[ArcAngel9]

SCUM FOUND, PLEASE LYNCH THIS WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!!

SCUM FOUND, PLEASE LYNCH THIS WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL, And whats your read on GM!!!

I could see gm as scum, and may end up voting her today.

I was just showing that quoting a post and saying "Oh this person is scum" means absolutely nothing.

I agree but that wasn't my intention.. it was the frustration.... I hate to see someone twisting my words!!!

[ArcAngel9]

Panz, whats your read on GM? I am sorry if you have already stated that before.. but if you can put it across that would be great.

@Mod - Can we get current VOTE tally?

[ArcAngel9]

Page 1 of Many, Going to sleep and continue this in the morning.
Also Serra, its just a matter of time.

OMG, this is so cuteeeee!!!!!!!!

[ArcAngel9]

KX, Who are you top 3 scums for you.. Can you give me the names in an order.. You have not voted yet and there wagons running at this moment and that is not helping to anyone. You need pick your side....

[ArcAngel9]

@Mod - Please give us the vote tally

[ArcAngel9]

The problem is, do those making such opinions think of them as vague and circumstantial? If yes, I want a lynch on that person for doing something I consider damages the game. If no, then I want to lynch them for bad reasoning. Either I find them scummy, or I find them dislikable. Well, when the time comes around, I'll vote whoever I think is the best choice. For now though, I think none of the targets are the best, and see no reason to cast a vote.

KX, we don't necessarily have to wait until the dead end of day 1 to end the game. Its okay to end it when there is a clear view about scum.

if you can vote this moment, who would you vote?

[ArcAngel9]

So Panzer, since your actions are making me believe you're scum as well, why am I not scum? After all, by objecting to you and calling your claims ludicrous, I'm obviously HD's scum partner panicking about him getting offed. Or am I not scum because unlike HD I've been somewhat inactive and withdrawn instead of getting things done? But wait, that can't be, I've made lists and cases, so forget that, I'm scum just like him!

I'm convinced from your early play that you're a newer player. also aren't you IRL friends or friends from another site with HD?

why you're defending yourself over others about HD, i am not sure if you're doing this out of frustration or something else.. HD doesn't read scum. he is one of town reads..

if youre town, you should rather explain yourself in more detail

[ArcAngel9]

I'm getting the strong impression one of HD or Panzer is scum. I don't see the wagons on GM or Jenn. Despite his awesome drawings, I still think Jacob is a decent lynch.

About Drawings.. Jacob is adorable.. Don't lynch him please..
HD is town
GM is leaning Scum, I am up for her lynch
Panzer is confused person, not sure but i am torn between Panzer and GM, both of them can't be scum but one of them is the scum.. i can't read that part yet..

And btw.. i also think you may be scum.

[ArcAngel9]

Why did you respond to that post?

how is it bothering you Serra? In what way?

[ArcAngel9]

You think my post are meaningless because you don't understand when I'm getting at, and I don't know how else you want me to explain it. I seem to be repeating myself a lot this game but people keep asking me how i feel about things I feel I've made quite clear. I've answered every question posed to me. It seems that the base reason of why I'm getting votes is because no one understands what I'm saying. What do you guys need clarifying.

Niccage seems ridiculously scummy.

no body said your posts were meaning less.. in fact i agree with you on GM being scum, that is the very reason that i haven't joined in your lynch wagon ...
the problem is that your responds over HD and KX are very anti town, that is not something one expects to hear from a fellow townie..

[ArcAngel9]

how is it bothering you Serra? In what way?

Why would it bother me? I just found it odd that out of all posts you would reply to some assertions of which wagon's I agree with. Why are you so convinced HD is town?

i played few games with HD before and he is just been his usual townie way, more over he actually did some scum hunting and had some good points about Jacob and Pazer

About Drawings.. Jacob is adorable.. Don't lynch him please..

Does being able to draw actually mean anything about his alignment? This is a game of mafia not a talent quest.

I was attracted that cute drawing.....

[ArcAngel9]

Read the GM Post # 622
Cmon, no body can be scummier than that... She is true scum.
Serra, I agree with you that we can't have no lynch for day 1, at this moment i don't see anyone else scummier than GoodMorning.

and about your vote, it is not Jacob, who are our voting next? I know you already told me that GM is your town read but i want to know anyways.

[ArcAngel9]

Panzer perhaps for overly defending himself against something that is not pertaining to him either. i am not sure if he is town doing this to help the group or scum just getting on weaker side of town person so that he can buddy up...

[ArcAngel9]

@Mod - Vote Tally please..

[ArcAngel9]

do you have any other reasons to call him scum other than drawing thing?
And what has GM done so far that looked town to you?

[ArcAngel9]

Answers to both these questions can be found in my ISO

About that...i would love to hear it one more time..becuz this game is currently a mess..
there are three different wagons and none of them has enough votes and are going to make a lynch before the deadline. so if you're town , its time to join hands..

[ArcAngel9]

well sometimes you have to do what needs to be done to make people to do what has to be done...
And, whoever the scum in this game.. they managed well to keep the confusion around.. so its important that people realize and see the facts that is being referred not the playstles.

[ArcAngel9]

Read the GM Post # 622
Cmon, no body can be scummier than that... She is true scum.

What is so scummy about announcing oneself as a defensive player? What is the motivation there?

because just saying this type of crap does not help me with wanting to join your wagon.

CD, Firstly, Its not my wagon. Too sad that you don't see how i see it but GM has done nothing but randomly calling people scum with no hard evidence, i given myself multiple times a chance to see her as townie but each time she pushed it away and refused every fact that was shown, for me she is been nothing but a scum who is trying hard to frame someone so that she can just survive.

[ArcAngel9]

CD, Firstly, Its not my wagon. Too sad that you don't see how i see it but GM has done nothing but randomly calling people scum with no hard evidence, i given myself multiple times a chance to see her as townie but each time she pushed it away and refused every fact that was shown, for me she is been nothing but a scum who is trying hard to frame someone so that she can just survive.

You're the first vote on it, therefore the one you're pushing. Currently I'm seeing no hard evidence from you about why GM is scum either, as such why I am picking on you for explanations.
I also reject previous arguments when it appears you're grabbing random newer posts and shotung "OMG THIS IS SCUMMY SCUM SCUM SCUM!!!", with no reasoning to why is it so scummy.
This response doesn't actually explain why her calling herself a defensive player is scummy.

Seriously?? i am not going to go in circles with you on this because i have already explained myself on this topic over and over again.... can you just spare this talk and get to the point? so you don't want to see GM as scum.. so its fine.. you do how you want to do it... i never asked you to do anything.

[ArcAngel9]

What exactly makes you all think I'm scummy?

you weren't defending yourself at all, its like you have nothing to defend. that is awfully scummy than ever

unvote

VOTE: NicCage

@Mod Vote tally please..

[ArcAngel9]

NicCage, what have you done to consider you as town? you had nothing to defend becuz you actually didn't do anything which is scummy. Isn't it?

[ArcAngel9]

HD, that's what Scum's do isn't it? Try to stay away from the attention so that town kill each other..
the problem of this game is that everyone has different understanding on each other.. and we end up having three wagons a day before and now Niccage wagon..

I believe there is scum in all the wagons...

[ArcAngel9]

I have always my read on him and i was open to join in his lych anyways.... thanks for putting this together
I am wondering who all going to join on his lynch wagon.. and if he flips town or scum.. and how we should move forward

[ArcAngel9]

Unvote

For now i am unvoting GM, but i still don't feel positive about her
cant have the day without lynch.. Therefore, VOTE: Panzer

[ArcAngel9]

Correction : I was unvoting NicCage

[ArcAngel9]

Seriously.. can't you all stand by to one word ever?? Screw you all now...

@Mod - Can you please have updated Vote Tally

[ArcAngel9]

Seriously.. can't you all stand by to one word ever?? Screw you all now...

@Mod - Can you please have updated Vote Tally

Will do when I get home from school (in 4/4.5 hours). Please remember when asking for a vote count that I have to go to school almost immediately after I wake up.

Awww, I don't know you go to school.. i miss my school days.. Study well. and ya don't worry about vote count, Will manage.

[ArcAngel9]

Am all up for GM's lynch, She is my top suspect after all!!

UNVOTE[\b]
VOTE: GoodMorning

[ArcAngel9]

Doesn't (or, shouldn't) something like 90% of this site go to school? Anyway, though official vote tallies do help, I think we should all be able to manage for ourselves. Btw, @AA9, why the delay in voting GM? And if they're your main suspect, why not press for their lynch? Specifically, why jump on both the Nic and Panzer wagons when there was quite a bit of time left?

Delay, are you kidding me? I was the first person to vote GM. See my post # 294 And I have been pressing for lynch since the game has begun, I had to change my vote becuz noone was interested in GM's lynch at the begining. And about Nic & Panzer i already staated my reasons for voting them.

[ArcAngel9]

I like the Jacob wagon... Therefore, VOTE: Jacob
but Cherry also been null so for.. i have also thoughts on himm..
Jacob you have got some explanation to do..

[ArcAngel9]

Votecount 1.14

goodmorning (Lynch!):

Klick, Panzerjager,

serrapaladin,

KX,

ArcAngel9,

Jennifer,

borkjerfkin

Jennifer (L-3):

Docteur Gudsight, Cheery Dog,

JacobSavage,

NicCage

Panzerjager (L-5):

goodmorning,

Human Destroyer

This kinda makes me doubt HD-scum.

That's were we could be wrong about...
There is good chance of Scum in the secondary wagon...
Jacob
Docteur
Cheery
NicCage

[ArcAngel9]

HD, what your read on Cheery?

[ArcAngel9]

I am here... Caught up in the weekend!! I ll catch up today...

[ArcAngel9]

I have bad feeling about Cheery, how many of you think that he may be Scum?
and also have to agree on this that Jacob isn't been same as he always on the other games, that doesn't make him sure scum but that is odd.

@Mob - Can we please get the current Vote Tally , thank you

[ArcAngel9]

Thanks Mod
Jacob - Why you're not scumhunting in this game? who are your top suspects?

[ArcAngel9]

I have bad feeling about Cheery, how many of you think that he may be Scum?

Everyone can be scum. What makes you think he is more likely to be scum than others?

I'm surprised of your suspicion on him given your playstyles are extremely similar.

~ Els

BEcuz his play style. I played with him as town, He is very different and odd here..
and what do you mean by that our playsyles are similar?

[ArcAngel9]

BEcuz his play style. I played with him as town, He is very different and odd here..
and what do you mean by that our playsyles are similar?

You're using meta from a game that you replaced into and was broken at that stage? That's a worthwhile cause

Well, that's an excuse i have expected. Give me a good reason why should i believe this, and how you're not making this up so that i will drop my point about your play style?

[ArcAngel9]

Link.. that's too much work for now...Am at work and i l be here in and off... But i can quickly tell you the difference i found in CherryDog

Cherry in the previous game i know was more vocal,active and he had some good logics over people ( i mean he was doing actual scum hunting), but never agressive not that he is agressive here but his reads on this game don't fit well, We are on Day2, 35 pages so far.. I really didn't find anything much valid to consider him as town. The game i played with him, he was completely different, he had more inputs and views on players... Well, Like he said that it may different becuz i came into that game as replacement but now it seems like that he is using that as excuse for me to see him different. So, I am bit concerned about what he is... Like i said. I have seen only his town...not Scum play. so i don't know entire for sure but one thing i can tell that he is not the same as he was...

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE: CherryDog

I don't really buy his explanation, He is different than his usual play.. therefore, Scummy to me.

[ArcAngel9]

Dont be judgemental!!!

[ArcAngel9]

It doesn't mean that i can't put pressure on my suspect... who knows, He may be scum and this might help!!

[ArcAngel9]

I dont know how to move further on this game... i am totally stuck with my thoughts!!!

[ArcAngel9]

Arc just sit back and quickhammer, its what you normally do.

No hard feelings Jacob but lets mix things. you can clearly tell that i was wrong about it and that was not intentional. So i would suggest you to get over it soon.

Back to the game..
HD thinks you're scum, what's your thoughts on that?

[ArcAngel9]

Knock it off Jacob, just becuase my style is not your style doesnt mean it is bad. I agree on few flaws but at least my play is lot better than many here... at least i am not agreesive and crazy. And stop concerning about it.. Remember you're in game with bunch of people not by yourself.

So you don't think Serra is scum?

[ArcAngel9]

HD had a strong read on Goodmorning too but she was scum.. and I have been babbling about her since the begining. He never listens to me!!!

[ArcAngel9]

i am confused with the post above...
so you think Hydra is scummy but the fact a scum & Serra(who you didn't mention scum or town) votes Jacob makes Jacob less scum? What kind of logic is that?

Things you need to clear up

Hydra - Do you think or do you have good reasons to consider hydra scum? State the reasons
Jacob- Apart from your theory of Hydra's vote and Serra vote makes him town, do you have anything else?
And what do you think of Serra?

[ArcAngel9]

If you lynch me, serra dies tomorrow

What is this thread suppose to me? How is it connected?

[ArcAngel9]

HD, What do you mean by if you die, Serra dies. How is it works. Explain?

[ArcAngel9]

.

And the minute passed hours ago Jacob. Can you be scummier than this?

VOTE: Jacob
unless you get back your arse here and explain yourself... and No drawings...

[ArcAngel9]

Hydra - What is your read on Serra? Town or Scum?
and what do you think of Jacob?

[ArcAngel9]

btw Serra at

L-1

[ArcAngel9]

Cheery - Thanks, that feels much better!!

HD - I am catching up on few things, I ll decide my vote in next two hours..

Unvote

[ArcAngel9]

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.4

Venrob (L-3):

goodmorning, Cheery Dog, serrapaladin, NicCage

Klick (L-4):

Klick, JacobSavage, Venrob

NicCage (L-6):

Human Destroyer

KX (L-6):

Josh Lyman

Cheery Dog (L-6):

ArcAngel9

serrapaladin (L-6):

Docteur Gudsight

Josh Lyman (L-6):

KX

Not voting (7):

Spencer22

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-02-06 11:00:00)

can I insult people provided it is obviously impersonal and I have no intention to offend by doing so?

It's not really an insult then, is it? Just use common sense when you're posting.

On a general note: please try not place your vote in the middle of giant walls of text. If you want me to miss your vote, that's the way to do it.

Votecount 1.6

Josh Lyman (L-1):

KX, ArcAngel9, Human Destroyer, NicCage, Venrob, Docteur Gudsight

Venrob (L-4):

goodmorning, Cheery Dog, serrapaladin

Klick (L-6):

JacobSavage

Not voting (4):

Spencer22, Josh Lyman, Klick

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-02-06 11:00:00)

ArcAngel9 has been prodded. I'm still looking for a replacement for Spencer22

Also, happy birthday, Human Destroyer!

I should probably give my scumminess list as well:

Town

goodmorning
Cheery
ArcAngel
Docteur
Nic
Klick
Josh
HD
KX

Null

Spencer
Jacob
Venrob

Scum

Votecount 1.10

Jennifer (L-3):

Docteur Gudsight, Cheery Dog, JacobSavage, NicCage

goodmoring (L-4):

ArcAngel9, Jennifer, Panzerjager

JacobSavage (L-4):

Human Destroyer, serrapaladin, borkjerfkin

ArcAngel9 (L-6):

goodmorning

Not voting (2):

Klick, KX

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-02-06 11:00:00)

Alright, I didn't wake up this morning when I was supposed to and I don't have a super duper huge amount of time now. Here is my readslist, I'll get into reasoning later tonight or tomorrow first thing.

Towniest-leaning

HD
CD
serra
KX
Jacob

Null

Klick
Spence
hydra

Null

AA9
Nic
Josh
Ven

Scummiest-leaning

Votecount 1.13

goodmorning (L-1):

Klick, Panzerjager, serrapaladin, KX, ArcAngel9, Jennifer

Jennifer (L-3):

Docteur Gudsight, Cheery Dog, JacobSavage, NicCage

Panzerjager (L-5):

goodmorning, Human Destroyer

JacobSavage (L-6):

borkjerfkin

Not voting (0):

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-02-06 11:00:00)

Now check the Spoiler....
This was something that i missed about Serra, She intially was in Venorb Wagaon along with GM and GM was her strong town read at that moment, And she later jumped into jacob wagon without good reasons except the part that he wasn't been much active.

And GM have put Serra under her Town radar. On this period, Serra & GM didn't even cross any discussions... its just happened.

And when everyone heading towards GM wagon.. Serra votes her and secures her position... Once again, there wasn't explanation to that..

Serra, I hope your'e scum
VOTE: Serrapaladin

[ArcAngel9]

Why i am always wrong about Genders.. I have been referring Serra as she.. Good heavens...!!!

[ArcAngel9]

i ll join the wagon for now..
VOTE: Jacob

[ArcAngel9]

I'm back and going to focus some more on this game.

A piece of me wants to suggest a possible Docetur / Arc Scum team based on the very slow hammer but its tenuous at best.

I really don't understand your reason for connecting me to Hydra, Can you explain it in more detail?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: [Human Destroyer

Reasons plz?

+ Faking scumhunting

[b/]

+ Having pushed only town wagons [/b]
+ Faking thought processes
+ Overpushing cases

No, the case is not empty. Let's see how much sheep you get this time, that will listen to your cases based on ... um that i'm attacking you? that i defended serra yesterday on a "bullshit" reasoning?

To bolded, you can be more specific? If i recall correctly, HD was pushing mroe two wagons...
Good Mornings, Panzer's and Jacob's.. Which two these you're referring too?

I think the remaining scum are 2 of Jacob, HD, and Hydra.

VOTE: HD

Why remaining scum is between these three? If the remaining in these three.. Why did you vote HD?

[ArcAngel9]

It's tenuous at best, but basically your dithering on which one to hammer could be concieved as you attempting to look town when you don't hammer your scum buddy.

But this should only be considered

IF

one of you two flips scum.

I don’t what other way I should have done, but I clearly quoted Serra’s posts that looked scummy to me.
It could be possible both could be Town too, If so no matter which once I hammered, I would still be having this discussion with you. Isn’t it?
Is there any other thing you see me would connect me to Hydra?

[ArcAngel9]

We need to stop the way we are doing this.. because it’s obviously not helping anyone.
So, Short listing few people from the lynch list..

Good Morning Wagon

goodmorning (Lynch!):

Klick, Panzerjager, serrapaladin

, KX,

ArcAngel9

,

Jennifer

,

borkjerfkin

Serra’s Wagon

serrapaladin (Lynch!):

Human Destroyer

, NicCage,

borkjerfkin,

JacobSavage

,

Docteur Gudsight

,

ArcAngel9

And if you look at the both GM & Serra’s wagon, there is a clear difference in the people who voted for GM and people who voted for Serra, except me ad bork.

I am not scum , which leaves me worry about Jacob, Hydra and HD and Jennifer a bit.
Any one of you up for a Role claim? to narrow down this list?

[ArcAngel9]

I feel NicCage is town.
he seems geniunely sucm hunting and at least he wasn't one sided which is very much a townie attitude.

[ArcAngel9]

And what the hell Town Masons are doing.. We suppose to have 3 in the group... atleast 2 alive now.. there should be lot of trust floating around but i don't see anything happening. Seriously? what the helll?

[ArcAngel9]

Cherry is the another one who i think scum too, His play is little vauge in this game.. he shows up once in a while when i call up a suspicion on him, other wise he is pretty much not here..

[ArcAngel9]

Struggling to maintain townread....





(seriously stop rolefishing)

Huh, don't make it look so bad, I am only directing people to do what they must have done already, look at the lynch wagons i have just pointed out.. there is huge huge huge difference between both of them, its becoming almost impossible to narrow down the list.
How the hell we suppose to get the scum if we don't trust/help each other...

[ArcAngel9]

AA do you have like a once per hour quota within which you have to change your avatar?

An hour.. lol, NO!! but I was testing few today. huh!!!

[ArcAngel9]

OMG, I forgot about the Josh wagon too... it never went through...
I all for Cherry's wagon , Anyone else thinks he is different on this game?

[ArcAngel9]

NIC, why do you think Cherry is Town?

[ArcAngel9]

Can someone tell me why i am surprised with Cheery's vote. Each time i point out his name and he comes out from hidden palace....
and this time he actually searched few posts to make me look scummy.. Am not sure if he is doing to prove a point that he been active or just scummy.

[ArcAngel9]

yeah right.. that's so convenient, Isn't it?

[ArcAngel9]

^that's why there should be no girls on the internet.

Are you voting AA9 because she joined a wagon on scum, or is there something more in the post i don't see?

The way she started that wagon yes along with whatever the rubbish about my meta from micro 80 that didn't make sense yesterday and other scumminess she's producing such as the other posts (not including the one where she asked me for my reasoning for voting HD - that one is null) I quoted in that post.

Every time you call my reasons are RUBBISH, you're leaning more scummier to me. How do you say what i said doesn't make sense? and why are you connecting what i said about you to something else? I said what i feel about you being different on this game, I never called you scum but your reaction seems awfully odd to me. Why are you reacting instead responding? that is no townie game play.

Starting a wagon on scum should never (or well, almost never, the exception being when it is obviously fake) give scumpoints. Using the bussing card to say that it doesn't give huge townpoints, why not. But giving scumpoints because it could be an attempt of bussing is bad. In this case, I don't see any reason (in the post quoted) to believe she was faking.

I don't see "the other scuminess she is producing".

I believe that it was a fake reason. (blaming her partner for the Josh wagon being unable to go through since a replacement was coming in that basically removed most people's reasons for hammering))
I believe the GM post Arc was talking about was this below one, at which time Josh was on L-1, and remained on L-1 until AA9 removed her vote

I'd vote Josh, but we need more discussion time before anyone gets lynched. I'll stay on Ven for now, but I don't find him as wholly scummy as I thought I did.

Looking back at the questions I asked aobut the post I quoted earlier, it seems I failed to actually ask what GM's other reads that didn't sit as well as posted were, I thought I had done that, too late now?
Which means inadectuate answers to questions I never actually asked means that I have inadequate information to continue pushing this bus possibly.
I also still hate the "LYNCH THIS WOMAN NOW" crap she was saying and never explained. (though the disowning of the wagon was probably more town)

If you don't see the other scuminess then fine, I'm not forcing you to join the wagon yet.

I don't know if you're either blind or conveniently avoided the reasons that i have mentioned about why GM could be scum, If you go back and read through from the beginning, GM tried to frame me by connecting to a personal difference that she had with me on a different game, that was the most stupid reason ever to suspect some as scum, GM and josh both were my high suspects on day1 (josh mainly becuz of his play style) when Josh was prodded, i unvoted him and went with next person in my list who i think possible scum. Your'e reasing to connect me to josh and GM's lynch now seems fishy... If you had thought that it was fishy, why didn't you ask me when i hammered GM's, why are you pushing this now? You reaction seems like that you're here now with an agenda to frame me becuase i came after you and indicated about your playstyle.

This is the most scummiest than ever.....

Unvote

VOTE: CheeryDog

@Cheery
Hmm. It was that post of AA9 that made me think she was town (unvoting someone who was inactive, as opposed to lurking), but you're right that Josh was at L-1 until she unvoted and GM was voting Ven who GM had listed as her scummiest read.

@AA9 What made you suspicious of GM not voting for Josh when she had a vote on Ven?

Please read my post above, GM and I had personal differences before to this game, and the way she used that point and tried to frame me doesn't seem town, I had been pushing her wagon since the begining but i was equally suspicious about josh's due to his play style. I didn't jump over to GM's wagon becuz i think Josh is town, Josh was prodded and replacement deserves sometime to defend themselves.

[ArcAngel9]

I checked the AA9 iso, and i'm fairly certain that all the posts she made were made in the intent of lynching goodmorning. So either the scum went for a super-bussing strat day1 (possible, but unlikely), or she is town.

I'm thinking specifically of posts like #460 and #676 (interestingly, both are replies to a GM defense by Cheery Dog)

Because of this, i'm now seeing Cheery Dog as particularly scummy. If I can't get a HD or Jacob lynch, a Dog lynch will be okay.

Dog is awfull, He is scummy in many ways...
A) He was lurking and not helping the town
B) Each time i say he is different in this game, he attacks me instead defending himself.
C) He made false accusations about my vote on GM
D) He tried to twist my reason for unvoting Josh in a bad way.

[ArcAngel9]

I ignored it yesterday because I put it to starting the wagon on scum = not the next days lynch.
I also relooked at everyone during the night and your vote stood out as weird on the wagon. (i think based on wagon feels there's one scum that buses and one on a counter wagon) I also left it day 1 as it was getting nowhere. at the start of today I had jacob as a bigger scum read (and that level hasn't changed)

You were complaining about me being different and less logic here or something and is a bad meta reason when as far as I'm aware it's opposite here.

And which post was gm framing you? All I see before you had voted her was a vague scumread and meant nothing.

And I have nothing wrong with your josh vote, just the reason to then vote gm then.
I'll reply to more when I don't have other stuff deciding to interfere. I've like to know how I'm lurking though. (unless you count the amount of pages that are posted while I sleep, I can't do anything about posting during those hours)

I would post exactly like you did, If i am the scum Cherry!!
You still how easily denying that i was not chasing down GM, you're wrong and anybody can see that. I didn't jump into her wagon out of bluemoon, I was suspicious of her since the day 1.

[ArcAngel9]

HD - What is your opinion on Cherry? After his sudden activity in the game since i called him scum.

[ArcAngel9]

I suppose the activity jump is somewhat weird, but I'm not sure that in and of itself would make him scum.

He's probably scum based on PoE though.

He is weird, definitely weird . He was barely here since the Day 1, he was pretty much maintaining low profile and haven’t been part of the any arguments but except he came on GM’s defense when I voted her.. Please see the Post # 672

[ArcAngel9]

And he said that, I jumped in GM wagon with no good reason.... How irony is that...

[ArcAngel9]

@Mod - Vote tally please

[ArcAngel9]

ArcAngel9 (If Docteur doesn't flip scum)
KX
Docteur Gudsight (If Arc doesn't flip scum)
NicCage

Jacob, Its strange that you never actually talk about Cherry in the game. Out of 49 pages 1200 plus posts, you had like 63 posts and you mentioned cheery name only twice (see below)... Are you distancing yourself from him? What is your read on him? Would you agree with us about him being scum? what is your opinion on post # 1209

*YAWN*

Cherry Dog is likely Town, Jennifer still needs to be lynched.
VOTE: Jennifer

Having re read the game I realise I was an idiot. Jennifer is town, I really need to read more closely.

Out of the two competing wagons I'd go for GM just based on someone of his earlier posts, however HD brings up a good point against Panzar so will be willing to swap at the deadline. Will post more derailed thoughts probably D2, my weekend kind of disappeared. x

P-edit: Cherry who would you say are Her possible partners if that's the case?

[ArcAngel9]

and there is good chance Jacob and Cherry could be Scum partners...

[ArcAngel9]

Jennifer, Tell me why you're askingus to Unvote cherry?
His current vote and post # 1220 has no connection, Again.. he doing things like a scum usually do...
you should probably join and hammer him now!!!

[ArcAngel9]

@AA9 Because he soft-claimed mason.
@HD Yes please.

I don't think he is in a situation to soft claim.. he is at L-1 and i don't feel he acted any where close to town and forgoet about mason

^Had GM flipped town, this would be a scumtell

But since GM flipped scum, I don't see any reason for scum to say this. At all.

HD, i recall correctly, you said something stopping you considering jacob as scum what is it?

[ArcAngel9]

I am no longer sure what to ought for this game anymore.
Now everyone seem to move another direction.....

Docteur - Why did you vote HD?

[ArcAngel9]

Becuz, At this moment I still feel Cheery more scummy than anyone!!

[ArcAngel9]

Becuz, At this moment I still feel Cheery more scummy than anyone!!

Can you walk me through your thought process please? Because regardless of what you think of his play, he has claimed mason. And no one has counterclaimed him. If he was scum, at least one of the remaining masons would claim (doesn't make sense not to imo) and we'd be guaranteed a scum flip by tomorrow's lynch at the latest, assuming we guessed wrong on who was believable today.

Is he? All i see him saying that he is not confirming or denying his soft claim? If he is the mason, what is point of beating behind bushes anymore?

Eitherways, he will now be mafia's night target. I am just not sure how honest he is...
There is no counter claim becuz, our mason may not want to come out yet.. which could be a good thing too..

If he were a mason why would he not just hardclaim it at this point?

I only ever hard claim stuff with intents to hammer.
I'm not confirming or denying any possible role hints.

[ArcAngel9]

^ What you recommending? No lynch?

[ArcAngel9]

am here but am more comfortable voting Jacob, jacob is equally scummy~
Cherry gets free pass until tomorrow day phase,

[ArcAngel9]

@AA9 Why isn't your vote on Jacob then? It's still sitting on Cheery.

I don't want to lynch Jacob today, as I now have a town feel about him for not voting Cheery.

If we can't get a Doc lynch, I'd consider AA9. She's moved up my list past Jacob and HD (both of whom I now lean town).

how irony is that yesterday that you convinced heavily that i am town now all of sudden you want to lynch me?
Why?

the only reason i didn't unvote cherry, i haven't made my mind in voting jacob yet, i am still discussing through it and my vote on cherry is not doing any damage to anyone, what surprises how quickly your thought process changed.

[ArcAngel9]

unvote

I am good with any one of Docteur and Jacob's lynch. I am done with this day!!!

[ArcAngel9]

Okay? so how does that helping?

[ArcAngel9]

@Arc Do you have a preference between Jacob and Doc?

Based on the VCA, I think one of Arc or KX is scum and one of Jacob and Doc.


Here is the vote count from the GM lynch:
goodmorning (Lynch!): Klick, Panzerjager, serrapaladin, KX, ArcAngel9, Jennifer, borkjerfkin
Votecount 1.14
goodmorning (Lynch!): Klick, Panzerjager, serrapaladin, KX, ArcAngel9, Jennifer, borkjerfkin
Jennifer (L-3): Docteur Gudsight, Cheery Dog, JacobSavage, NicCage
Panzerjager (L-5): goodmorning, Human Destroyer

- I would expect at least one scum to be on the lynch train to try and get town cred, which for me leave KX, Arc, and Bork. I have a pretty good town read on Bork, so it's either KX or Arc.
- Goodmorning is already on Panz, so I think this clears HD, as I wouldn't expect both scum to still sit there.
- On my train is Cheery (conf town), Doc, Jacob, and Nic. I have a town read on Nic, so again leaves Doc or Jacob.

Here is the Serra lynch:
serrapaladin (Lynch!): Human Destroyer, NicCage, borkjerfkin, JacobSavage, Docteur Gudsight, ArcAngel9
Docteur Gudsight (L-1): Cheery Dog, Jennifer, Klick, KX, serrapaladin

- All known town is on Doc (for me, everyone but KX is conf town). Assuming one scum would want to be off the mislynch, that would make KX scum.
- I would also assume at least one scum on the Serra train.

I think you just did what exactly i did in my post #1139 more or less. Why?
between jacob and Doc - I am more comfortable lynching Doc!

Spoiler:

We need to stop the way we are doing this.. because it’s obviously not helping anyone.
So, Short listing few people from the lynch list..

Good Morning Wagon

goodmorning (Lynch!):

Klick, Panzerjager, serrapaladin

, KX,

ArcAngel9

,

Jennifer

,

borkjerfkin

Serra’s Wagon

serrapaladin (Lynch!):

Human Destroyer

, NicCage,

borkjerfkin,

JacobSavage

,

Docteur Gudsight

,

ArcAngel9

And if you look at the both GM & Serra’s wagon, there is a clear difference in the people who voted for GM and people who voted for Serra, except me ad bork.

I am not scum , which leaves me worry about Jacob, Hydra and HD and Jennifer a bit.
Any one of you up for a Role claim? to narrow down this list?

[ArcAngel9]

If i do so, Doc will be at L-1 and i don't want to rush while we still have some time...

[ArcAngel9]

Its more as gut feeling, I am pretty much tie between them becuz both were away from GM wagon and were in Serra's wagon.
one of them could be scum, Like I said , it was Doc that i could be more comfortable with.. but not for certain , that's why my vote is not placed yet.

Jacob - Why is your vote on HD? You knwo that we are not lynching HD today.? What is the point?

[ArcAngel9]

Two reasons you maybe not voting Doc.
A) you're both are Scum!!!
or B) you're town, if you you're scum and he is towm, you will likely want to have him lynched, so i wouldn't expect a scum would make a post like this!!

[ArcAngel9]

Yeah right.. Either ways its not helping ANY one!!
Alright people, I am conviced that Jacob could be Townie for now, That means Doc could be town two.. or both of the are scum and are fooling us around. but right now, we will have to move this game into a new direction.

VOTE: KX

[ArcAngel9]

KX - Come and explain your read.

[ArcAngel9]

DocTeur is at L-1

[ArcAngel9]

I'm pretty sure I mentioned why I thought HD was town -- he was very much on the same page as me for most of the early game (this is improbable if he's scum faking reads) and additionally he's pointing out some solid towntells which is something scum are generally going to ignore if they can get away with it.

AA I still have no idea what you're doing. KX is not happening.

Well, I don't see anyone else scummy at this moment
Jacob seems toown..and am not 100 % sure on Doc,
Cherry am leaving Mafia to handle him.. I am just too confused with this game. The only person who hasn't been here and not really on the picture is KX.

[ArcAngel9]

Well fuck and here I finally had a couple hours to sit down and post everything.

are you scum?
Cherry, I thought you wren't comfortable lynching doctor? what changed your mind?

[ArcAngel9]

this is bad!!!
VOTE: Human Destroyer
for pushing doc lynch and was also supporting cherry's

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE: Jacob

I think this probably has more legs than a Jennifer wagon today. We'll see.

Can you explain why you think Jacob is scum?

[ArcAngel9]

Nic and AA9 have been so quiet... and Jacob obviously who has yet to make an appearance. Feels like just the 4 of us are left. I guess you're right about the possibility of a HD lynch. I had forgotten Nic's reads today. But I think it would be a bad lynch.

It seems like you're not the lynch today either.

[unvote[/unvote]
VOTE: Jacob

I have nothing to say anymore, We already said so much... my mind just throwing empty thougts for now
I don't think Jacob is scum, HD pushed for DOC lynch and for Cheery's too. So, this moment i suspect HD more.

[ArcAngel9]

HD was posting yesterday on the other games. He is intentionally ignoring this game.

[ArcAngel9]

I think is NIC town. I suspected KX for the same reason and expected him to come back and redeem himself. I voted KX yesterday day phase becuz i needed to drive off my self and think the possilbiy of someone else being scum.

When I was so sure about Cherry could be scum, It was HD who was happy to join the wagon but he did used a decent reason but when Cherry was night killed, it pushed me that It was HD who was distancing himself from Good morning, and later pushed for DOC , Jacob and Cherry's tooo..

HD was also pushign for Panzer lynch.. And normally the town HD wouldn't abandon himself and be somewhere else. At this moment i am more confident with HD and anyone else.

[ArcAngel9]

Yeah, when you play 20 games, you try playing in every single one of your games with equal attention

I'm sure you'll have fun trying

HD, i think you and me are kind pretty much in equal amount of games ..infact i am in more games than you.
The thing that concerns me is that you didn't even made a single post here yesterday when were talking about you and you were at L-1 all the time. I understand some times we get stuck in a different game and we might have somthing to say in an another but you were at L-1, how could yoou not give attention to this game when it is needed most from you?

[ArcAngel9]

the HD i know would have proved that if KX is really scum.. your posts were just defending yourself but not provign KX scumminess

[ArcAngel9]

We are not moving at all folks...

BORK, who would you be voting today?
Nic and Jennifer - Can you both make a decision?

[ArcAngel9]

Bork, Jacob is town.. He is not happening...
you need to re-think

[ArcAngel9]

Why is he not happening exactly? I bet I can get him to happen.

I'm not voting HD, soooooo?

I never asked you to vote HD, I said Jacob is very likely town. so he is not happening.!!!

[ArcAngel9]

No one confident enough to vote at this moment.

[ArcAngel9]

Okay, Before i answer that
First tell me, why do you think Jacob is scum and Why HD is not?

[ArcAngel9]

Is It a problem making them into a single statments for each person?

[ArcAngel9]

How do you defend HD for the below..

A) HD didn't push for GM wagon , Who was Scum
B) HD was pushing Panzer wagon, Panzer was town
C) HD was sheeping Cheery Wagon, Cheery was town
D) HD was intiated Doc Wagon, Doc was town

[ArcAngel9]

This is pointless!!!!

NIC & Jen - I am counting you both now..

[ArcAngel9]

remember we don't have forever for this game... i guess that this day phase may going to end in a day or tow

Mod, please give us the new vote tally and current day end details

thanks!!

[ArcAngel9]

Alright, read through it and agree with few points.... I am good with Nic Lynch...
Good work Jennifer!!

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE: NiCcage

Lets get done with this....

[ArcAngel9]

Unvote

- That was keeping NIC at L-1
I want to give him a chance to defend himself!! Don't want someone to quick hammer him!!

[ArcAngel9]

You weren't worried about that with HD...

becuz i was confident on HD, matter of fact i am still too.

[ArcAngel9]

There is a happy scum hiding in HD and NIC wagon.. and tied up me with this hammer and i suck at hammering!! I always makes wrong choice!!!
Huh!!!!

I am torn!!!!

[ArcAngel9]

I have decided.
I am going with my guts.. and it points me to HD, I am going to be pissed if HD is not scum!!!!!!

Aaaarghh!!!! * Hammers are too bad*

VOTE: HumanDestroyer

[ArcAngel9]

Yay!

Is that excitement for real? or evil?
Nic, I ll rip you off if you're scum...

[ArcAngel9]

Uff... I geniunely tried. i blame you for not trying harder!!!!! if you're town

[ArcAngel9]

That's the second time ever I've gotten mislynched.

This is saddening

If you flip town HD, and i get to survive, i will avenge your death. I promise!!!

[ArcAngel9]

This is our last chance. Three townies and Two scums
1 mislynch is end of this game.

[ArcAngel9]

We can't afford a mislynch this time.

Jacob & bork- please give your inputs

[ArcAngel9]

I am going to be pissed if Jen is the scum.

[ArcAngel9]

I know, I am working on it... i still need to hear more.

[ArcAngel9]

Let me try this..
VOTE: Niccage

[ArcAngel9]

Go on.. Sheep me if you want to...

[ArcAngel9]

k..

[ArcAngel9]

unvote

[ArcAngel9]

i want to see how the second one comes..

[ArcAngel9]

Jacob - Now tell me who you want to vote now?

[ArcAngel9]

what the hell...HUH
Bork and Jacob are the tow scums...

[ArcAngel9]

Jen, you should have unvoted me right after jacob sheeped you
That's what i did to lure the scum, I thought my partner would understand.

why do you think i unvoted right after you voted me.. i didn't want scum team jump and secure their win.

[ArcAngel9]

Huh, this game has been such a disspointment, But seriously.. Well played scum team.
Jacob - You can no longer fool me with your non scum history meta, you being scum in this game helped me reading you more easily now..

[ArcAngel9]

can we share scum qt now?

Yes.

Thanks CE for modding a nice game
Great job!!