Open 474 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over!

[JacobSavage]

Waggggooooon
VOTE: Klick

[JacobSavage]

I would never forget that Also you've changed your avatar that made me sad

[JacobSavage]

Cool. I'm completely terrible as scum and get lynched by Page 3 every time. I'm totally confirmed town because I haven't scumslipped.

Its too soon for you too do any slips but if if you're scum..am sure there will be one to find.
so Is there anyone who played with Jacob when he was scum?

No one in existence unfortunately.
Well unless you count Serial Killer as scum (note: I don't) then your better off looking here, but that was like 2 years ago so...

[JacobSavage]

Actually just go and read here, that'll give you a good enough Idea

[JacobSavage]

KX, you're getting very defensive over this. Its not something that major, so why the AtE that is #42?

On an unrelated note : what are peoples opinions about using meta from games where a player is flipped but the game isn't over.

[JacobSavage]

Ninja'd... really need to learn to read those posts when the stop me posting.

Also I've seen some mods be funny about it as it's possible you could say something that could affect their game.

[JacobSavage]

Again need to read posts fully as well....

To be fair it just looked that way to me. In my head it sounds like it's being spoke by someone close to tears.

[JacobSavage]

See I don't know, half it reads townie but the fact that it was so.out.of the blue makes it look questionable.
For now I'll put it as leaning very slightly scum and.will come back to.it.later.

[JacobSavage]

It wasn't that you responed to them, it was that your response was so emotional that was what came out at me

[JacobSavage]

Think that's bad: One game I was in by the time I got to.it in the morning 17 pages... Face desk.(speaking of which its probably bed time soon....)

Venrob describe your play in one sentance.

[JacobSavage]

Also just a couple of.things about your wiki.
1. Don't ever put down what role you have claimed / alignment until your game is ended.
2. Some people put flips as they happen down. I think your supposed to wait til it's over before you put anything.
So for example in Bitmaps game you should leave it blank.

[JacobSavage]

(also, I'll say that I'm very easily readable - whatever you feel first, I'm the opposite alignment. )

But I feel your town....

VOTE: Klick

[JacobSavage]

Damn it cheery beat me to it.

[JacobSavage]

KX is town, as in

NEVER

should be lynched under any circumstances. Scum do not stay up til 3am making a big post listing all of his reads. Scum try and avoid giving them so the fact 1. he gave them voluntarily and 2. he did them so late at night when sleep is far more important. Either he's town or he's scum and didn't read his Role PM.

[JacobSavage]

I don't believe that it is though, there are far better ways of looking town

[JacobSavage]

II'm addressing Serra about KX

[JacobSavage]

KX is town, as in

NEVER

should be lynched under any circumstances. Scum do not stay up til 3am making a big post listing all of his reads. Scum try and avoid giving them so the fact 1. he gave them voluntarily and 2. he did them so late at night when sleep is far more important. Either he's town or he's scum and didn't read his Role PM.

Short rant: people have never mentioned it to me as scum when I post at 4am to deal in wall wars or cases. True anyway.

I should draw line between wall wars, cases and like unprovoked reads. By anyway. majority of it time they are done by town

[JacobSavage]

@All, not a fan of this Josh wagon, the way it's grown suggests there's more than a few scum on it.
As a general rule, mist early D1 wagons are town just due to the nature of them.

[JacobSavage]

HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED

And to be fair this is a very town reaction. I mean scum would try and build some sort of defense. The way he acknowledges but also.ignores the wagon.is a very telling sign.

[JacobSavage]

Serra
Venrob
Nic Cage

[JacobSavage]

Pretty sire there was something I was supposed to do ..

[JacobSavage]

*cough* playstyle *cough*

I find town reads easier to make...

[JacobSavage]

So then how would Jacob be asserting a town read from that if it's done as both alignments?

Wait what?

To clarify my town read on Josh is based on the fact that the wagon grew so quickly. Yes they're common but they often lead by scum/driven by scum. The fact he ignores it is irrelevant.

[JacobSavage]

@All, not a fan of this Josh wagon, the way it's grown suggests there's more than a few scum on it.
As a general rule, mist early D1 wagons are town just due to the nature of them.

HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED

And to be fair this is a very town reaction. I mean scum would try and build some sort of defense. The way he acknowledges but also.ignores the wagon.is a very telling sign.

[JacobSavage]

Yeah you kind of need to consider previous posts. I mean come on it even starts with an and. That should give you a clue to the fact it's a continuation of the reasoning

[JacobSavage]

Okay I'm willing to hammer Josh. Is that okay?

[JacobSavage]

It's hardly likely considering the lack of any major defense

Also I live on the wild side,

[JacobSavage]

Okay will do. Hey panzar, come and say hi.

[JacobSavage]

Cool Story. What makes you think that?

[JacobSavage]

I have an issue yay

But the reason why I was willing to hammer is 1. A lot of people had expressed opinions on him and so.would be a good information lynch. 2. I prefere to not make the mod have to try and find a L-1 slot as often they are very hard to find.

[JacobSavage]

Who is GM?

[JacobSavage]

Wait I got it.

[JacobSavage]

Yes obviously, you should know.

But seriously I kind of forgot that Goodmorning was in the game...

[JacobSavage]

Also the fact I haven't been scum in so long doesn't actually change my chances of being scum.

[JacobSavage]

Yes obviously, you should know.

But seriously I kind of forgot that Goodmorning was in the game...

^That's like an admission to not having read the previous 3 or so pages since goodmorning was the main topic of discussion

I like my vote

I currently skim, you guys post so much

[JacobSavage]

No GM is mentioned a lot I just hadn't clicked that it was him you were talking about.

I seem to be different because it's a different set up. Also every game is different and I tend to be lazy as its early game.

Also HD there's another game you need to post in

[JacobSavage]

Firstly,
UNVOTE:

Secondly don't really get what thus whole GM thing is, personally I haven't seen it but then again maybe need to read closer.

[JacobSavage]

*YAWN*

Cherry Dog is likely Town, Jennifer still needs to be lynched.
VOTE: Jennifer

[JacobSavage]

Avoiding the wagon on Venrob and his own Wagon. Tunneling on KX and then disappering, fun fact he did't site flake, he just disappeared, thats not a good sign especially that close to a lynch.

[JacobSavage]

@All, not a fan of this Josh wagon, the way it's grown suggests there's more than a few scum on it.
As a general rule, mist early D1 wagons are town just due to the nature of them.

HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED

And to be fair this is a very town reaction. I mean scum would try and build some sort of defense. The way he acknowledges but also.ignores the wagon.is a very telling sign.

Where did I say I found him town for the Venrob Wagon, the tunneling KX and when he disapppeared?

Ill give you the ignoring his wagon though.

[JacobSavage]

I don't flow I jump. That also explains my Josh vote. The timeline is I slept on it.

[JacobSavage]

The question was not what changed your opinion on josh to hammer intent or current vote, but thoughts from the start of the game on josh in context with time to the current time (which by nature pretty much requires a paragraph answer).

~M

Urggg Paragraphs I don't like Paragraphs.
I may just draw a picture.... Give me a minute.

I don't flow I jump

My previous play history with you disagrees slightly.

That game I had it slightly more under control... This game not so much
Go look at some of my larger games during the early days.

[JacobSavage]

No don't be silly. I am meaning the recently completed Meta Playstlye Mafia and a couple of games where I've flipped but the game is still ongoing

[JacobSavage]

Page 1 of Many, Going to sleep and continue this in the morning.
Also Serra, its just a matter of time.

[JacobSavage]

Yo, just to let you know I am here currently working through, I'll outline the Josh thing for you Doc when I've finsihed.
(Also its quite werid re-reading, the amount that I missed is ridiculous)

[JacobSavage]

Nope.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: JacobSavage

Panzer wagon isn't going anywhere, Jacob is my next scum read, etc

I was just reading up and I was like is the day over so soon :O then I saw we had 2 ans a bit days....

Sorry haven't posted been a little busy, will try and answer you Docteur latter today.

[JacobSavage]

Also ignore that quote. ..

[JacobSavage]

Having re read the game I realise I was an idiot. Jennifer is town, I really need to read more closely.

Out of the two competing wagons I'd go for GM just based on someone of his earlier posts, however HD brings up a good point against Panzar so will be willing to swap at the deadline. Will post more derailed thoughts probably D2, my weekend kind of disappeared. x

P-edit: Cherry who would you say are Her possible partners if that's the case?

[JacobSavage]

My Josh thing basically turned into crap I was wrong. So there wasn't really anything.

[JacobSavage]

Singing this will be day my wagon died,
This will be the day my wagon died

[JacobSavage]

You still think Jennifers scum? Who else?

Bork what have you just noticed?

[JacobSavage]

Its been a week bork, 1 week!

(Also I'm back, funnily enough)

[JacobSavage]

Arc just sit back and quickhammer, its what you normally do.

[JacobSavage]

I don't care really, it's more that it seems to be your style as of late. Its concerning.

He's wrong obviously.Although he appears to be spending most of his energy pushing serra, which is odd considering that he's been pushing me quite a long time.
But currently I think he's town, lets work from there.
Hey HD, come love me with your accusations.

[JacobSavage]

On Serra I'm undecided, personally my gut thought he was town but having said that HD makes a strong case for it.

FYI I don't have an issue with anyone's playstyle.

[JacobSavage]

Nic, what makes you think I am more town than Hydra?

[JacobSavage]

Hey I'm here.
Give me a minute.

[JacobSavage]

I'm not voting anyone because I've kind of been distracted all of this day.

Anyway I'm happy to go along with a Serra lynch for now, we only have 17 hours so.
I also think Hydra are probably town but there we go.

VOTE: Serra

That's

L-2

.

[JacobSavage]

I'm back and going to focus some more on this game.

A piece of me wants to suggest a possible Docetur / Arc Scum team based on the very slow hammer but its tenuous at best.

[JacobSavage]

No I see a possible link between the two of them.
That's different.

[JacobSavage]

It's tenuous at best, but basically your dithering on which one to hammer could be concieved as you attempting to look town when you don't hammer your scum buddy.

But this should only be considered

IF

one of you two flips scum.

[JacobSavage]

Because I've got most of my town reads now.it's just trying to oE the scum.
Its simple really.

[JacobSavage]

ArcAngel9 (If Docteur doesn't flip scum)
KX
Docteur Gudsight (If Arc doesn't flip scum)
NicCage

[JacobSavage]

ArcAngel9 (If Docteur doesn't flip scum)
KX
Docteur Gudsight (If Arc doesn't flip scum)
NicCage

Anyone not on this list.

[JacobSavage]

Ok. Why do you think Docteur flipping scum would make AA9 not town?
Do you suspect everyone not on that list equally?

1.

It's tenuous at best, but basically your dithering on which one to hammer could be concieved as you attempting to look town when you don't hammer your scum buddy.

But this should only be considered

IF

one of you two flips scum.

2. No, I'm just pretty sure scum isn't in that list. Obviously there's going to be different levels of suspection. I kind of think HD, and Jenny are the more townies, leaving Bork and CD (probably biggest suspect, not seeing this soft-claiming mason thing at all...)

P-EDIT:

Intent to Hammer

, good enough?

[JacobSavage]

P-EDIT: Intent to Hammer, good enough?

Good enough to change my vote to you for wanting to confirm who you're killing tonight.

VOTE: JACOB

Which you now have, as it was indeed a softclaim as I am a Mason.

(the softclaim Jennifer presumably noticed)

I also have no need to hunt masons

That's precisely the reason why, not that I was fed up with the pussy footing around that Jenifer was suggesting...

[JacobSavage]

Well I believe it personally, that leaves Bork, HD and Jenny. I'm going to go with Jenny as town (pointing out the soft claim) leaving HD and Bork. Of the two HD is the more viable lynch for now so:
VOTE: HD

[JacobSavage]

@Jacob: Why are you discounting the possibility of Docteur-scum? What have they done to give you a townread on them? Be specific with quotes and such.

Honestly they just appear town, look I'll have some time on Sunday and I'll do a lovely post on why they are town but for now I'll go with my gut.

Is he? All i see him saying that he is not confirming or denying his soft claim? If he is the mason, what is point of beating behind bushes anymore?

Eitherways, he will now be mafia's night target. I am just not sure how honest he is...
There is no counter claim becuz, our mason may not want to come out yet.. which could be a good thing too..

Confirmed not reading, cool

Can we lynch this scum yet?

If Bork and HD don't flip scum I'll join you on this wagon .

[JacobSavage]

Well currently I have a list of four people that I don't have strong town reads on and you + Jenny so yeah...

[JacobSavage]

Is he? All i see him saying that he is not confirming or denying his soft claim? If he is the mason, what is point of beating behind bushes anymore?

Eitherways, he will now be mafia's night target. I am just not sure how honest he is...
There is no counter claim becuz, our mason may not want to come out yet.. which could be a good thing too..

Confirmed not reading, cool

Can we lynch this scum yet?

I don't really see not reading as a scumtell. It's not the towntell people make it out to be, but she's still town.

@Jacob -- neither HD nor myself are getting lynched. How does that make you feel?

Sad.

[JacobSavage]

between jacob and Doc - I am more comfortable lynching Doc!

Then why not put your vote where you mouth is then?

[JacobSavage]

Why is it on HD? because Im not self-voting and I dont see Doc as scum.
Simple really.

[JacobSavage]

Yes as currently I don't really see any other choice (also I'm not really wasting my vote HD has the same number of votes as me)

[JacobSavage]

What about me :'(

[JacobSavage]

Wait no Jason is me. Opps.

[JacobSavage]

Hi all. its me.

Im a little snowed under currently. Personally I'm going to go with the Hydra's choice and:

VOTE: HD

I had a look though his posts earlier and gave up trying to make any meaning of them there was so many. Try again tomorrow it seems.

[JacobSavage]

Or in any other game that I've seen you in, I mean this is the second time you've been cautious about hammering. Its odd, but nothing that important.

But seriously if Nic flips in Red, somebody seriously needs to look into AA.

[JacobSavage]

@AA ans Bork, which out of HD ans Nic do you find the scumniest and why?

[JacobSavage]

I'm pretty sure that even HD would bus his partner so...

[JacobSavage]

That would imply you think that you are being used as the counter wagon to HD-scum. Who on your wagon do you think is the other then?

[JacobSavage]

Yeah I think I'm going to have to reread... I was so sure HD was going to flip scum.
Of my reads from town to scum:

AA
Jen
Nic
Bork (I still think he's scum but I'm probably wrong here)

[JacobSavage]

Almost everyone else has a town read on you so I'll re-evaluate.

[JacobSavage]

Like the child that sits in the corner and mindlessly chewing on wooden blocks,

I'm playing in my own special way.

[JacobSavage]

Jen I'm more inclined to agree with you there. I think its probably that it is Nic and Bork .

I just can't see you or AA being scum to be perfectly honest.

Anyway I have some of tomorrow to look at some ISOs unless I get distracted. Which is also quite likely.

[JacobSavage]

AA is being town AA, and Jen's actions have been so town I don't really see what your saying.

[JacobSavage]

Wait what just happened...

[JacobSavage]

I want to vote nick or Bork (as I previously stated) but I really dont want to make any easier for scum to win this.

[JacobSavage]

Arc's always a tease...

What do you think of Arc Jen?

[JacobSavage]

Meh screw it, Nic is scum we can deal with Bork tommorrow.

VOTE: NicCage

Arc, be an Angel and hammer

[JacobSavage]

[JacobSavage]

If I hadn't know that Bork was scum I honestly would have voted NC anyway.

Also when I was reading through the game for that picture there was a whole load of scummy posts by Venrob that I just hoped no one noticed...

P-edit: And here I was actually setting some time aside tomorrow to explain them properly. After D1, I am surprised that we made it through to the end.

[JacobSavage]

That was why Klick was killed we thought he might be a Mason

Sure Im find with it, though we should really wait for the mod's final flip before we do...

[JacobSavage]

I actually thought you were a mason but I let Bork do his thing .

The carrying was mainly bork. I felt like frodo at the end of LotR....

I personally would give some sort of daytalk / Encyrptor to make it a little more interesting but then again, I just love day talk.

[JacobSavage]

(we're actually town and this is an elaborate attempt at WIFOM)

[JacobSavage]

I don't think anyone here was in my last scum game either, also won in a similar fashion...

I was so close to voting, I almost didn't see arc...

[JacobSavage]

Actually I've now got 5 scum games behind me.

1 Sk, 2 cult and 2 Mafia

[JacobSavage]

I was actually planning to vote and just be like "I'M SO CONFIDENT RIGHT NOW" no matter waht you did

[JacobSavage]

@Arc: My most recent scum game, honestly I had it on my wiki and everything.

[JacobSavage]

our secret hideout

[JacobSavage]

I'm just unlynchable obvs...

But yeah I kind of expected me to go D1 then D2 then D3....

[JacobSavage]

I especially liked the flavour. I read every flip even though I knew what's as going to happen

[JacobSavage]

When you running your next game City?

Also just wanted TP thank Bork for basically dragging the scum team through. You deserve a medal.

[JacobSavage]

Im pretty sure all mods make counting mistakes.

I also kind of want to nom city for best flavour, I mean sure it's not themed but it's nicely meta and I enjoyed it.