Open 470: Cat's Eye (Masons and Mafia)

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VOTE: Om of the Nom

He's scum.

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VOTE: TheReverend

I dig this wagon.

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I think Om is town. I think Ven is null at this point. I think this is best.

VOTE: Dannflor

For being the 4thish I think on the wagon.

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Someone call me scummy so I can feel more motivated.

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You were the other candidate for scum other than Venmar on the Reverend wagon.

Okay. Explain why.

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I always like getting accused of crap. It's fun.

I still believe DF is scum due to textbook tells. Right behind could be either Venmar or DJD.

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I didn't know about textbook tells till recently.

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Klick is town I think. He's usually more cautious as scum and watches what he says. Om is also probably town. I think McStab is scum.

VOTE: McStab

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@Mod: What groups have communication?

I'm taking this as a soft-claim town.

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Oh, I can hard-claim town if you'd like.

I could have also been interested in whether the Mafia have communication. Why are you bringing attention to it?

I would be role-fishing if I explained why.

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You're already role-fishing.

You should read the 1st page next time.

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Oh, you mean concerning my question?

The answer wasn't on the front page. I looked.

Look in the Role PMs.

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Sure McStab is scum and all but he can wait.

Why aren't you voting Mcstab?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Venmar

I want Mcstab dead tomorrow though.

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Dannflor, what changed between this:

My town reads so far are Klick and Om, agreeing with Bitmap here. However, I'm not so sure about Mcstab being scum, I'm actually leaning towards Venmar here, but I need to go through and take a closer look at his posts first.

And your sudden change on myself, Klick, and Venmar?

I've made only one post since then. Venrob hasn't done anything alignment indicative (sure, he posted about how he wanted back in the game, but that was all) - so all of a sudden your read has changed? I mean, it's one thing to say your read might change I suppose, but the whole tone of "Eh, he WAS leaning town, but now...." suggests that it already has changed. And Venmar is now null when he was leaning scum earlier.

Your rationales? They better be good. The whole deferring of your case to later is fine, but I really would like to see the leaps in logic that caused you to change me from null to scum in one post, Venmar from scum to null despite you saying you haven't read through his posts or the case on him (suggesting that your scumread earlier was unbased) and Klick from town to suggested null/scum based on Venrob taking the slot back (that's literally all that has happened that Venrob is responsible for, and your read is suggesting Venrob-scum).

Not going to lie. This is a really good post. I'm going to rethink if you are scum or not.

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Cool, Om's town.

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Open 461 True Love - it's finished now, this is the game I was referring to when I spoke of my om read. I wasn't playing but I was watching that one because it was an interesting set up. Om was pretty eccentric on d1 and he flipped scum. I see none of that here. I don't know how good he is at mixing his game up, but there's a distinct difference in his meta between these games. So that's why I think om is town. As an added note, I have no idea how bitmap won that lylo, I had him nailed as scum through most of that tediously long lylo day. So well done for blagging that one.

Having Mala as a partner helped me out a lot. But yeah, I've played with Om long enough to get a good feeling that he's town.

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Umm okay...

VOTE: Mcstab

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Okay, I'll make a serious post tomorrow. Today I just finished my finals.

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Oh hey look, Mr Stab died. Guess I don't have to prove that I'm not scum. This is great.

The reason I say Om is town is because Om doesn't rage quit as scum. Also, his scum reads were both the two dead scum members. Mala helps support my Om town read by putting suspicion on me due to a previous game and giving me a healthy dose of suspicion. Never lynch Mala. Ever.

Looking back at Mcstab's ISO, he pretty much just tunneled me and Om/Mala the whole entire time. Nothing else I can seriously pick up from that game.

Oh, and Rev is town. This should be self-explanatory.

I would put my suspicion on havingfitz due to his previous predecessor and Venrob for that really bad and weird claim.

VOTE: Venrob

@Mala: I'm not a conventional player and I'm pretty sure I'm almost policy lynch/vig material.

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VOTE: havingfitz

I actually like this vote better.

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VOTE: Cheery Dog

Whoops. I didn't notice the chainsaw defense on fitz.

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V/LA till the 26th for obvious reasons.

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Just because someone's near death doesn't mean squat. I was near death in a lot of games when I was scum. Didn't give a shit and just played it through.

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Doesn't really matter...

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But if CD is town, then Melmond should be looked into more.

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This is boring.

VOTE: Melmond

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I think Rev is town. I think Hyperion is scum due to #320.

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Yeah, I have no idea what I'm doing.

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Intent to hammer

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I don't like Venrob anymore.

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VOTE: Venrob

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Mala, vote Venrob please. Look at that scummy hammer.

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Okay, fine.

VOTE: Melmond

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VOTE: Hyperion

ONE MORE LETS DO ET!

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I kind of hope we won already.

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I would be very ashamed if Hyperion turned up town, cause he only gave 7 posts this whole game.

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I just buddied with everyone hoping that scum with shoot me. I think I was pretty obviously town by the 2nd scum death. And Om was pretty much confirmed town by that fit he threw. Mala was also a very strong town player which gave me strong town vibes on her.

Good job town and thanks for the game!

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So why didn't anyone think I was a mason?

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Hey, I was thinking of nominating this game for "Best Performance Pro-Town Team". Would anyone support this before I look stupid putting this up? Although, TheRev pretty much carried us to victory in this one.

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Although, TheRev pretty much carried us to victory in this one.

That's not fair on DJD, om and mala. I was missing for the last two lynches. By far my best game on this site, and I appreciate the compliment, but this wasn't a one man show. This was won so comfortably because we had a town bloc with confidence in each other's alignment, and the two leading the charge were both vanilla taking bullets. If either me or DJD were mason, it might have been a different story.

Cheers though.

I just thought you stood out the most though, and yes, I do think that everyone pitched in to help win. That's why I was debating on whether to nominate this game.

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Welp, too late.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4584619

I nominated this game for a scummy.

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Just so we all know, I've seen Om ragequit twice

as scum

before this game. I don't know how it's supposed to confirm his alignment.

When Mala replaced in and put heavy suspicion on me due to fear because of last game, I knew she was town.

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So wait, how did I become confirmed town, DJD?