Open 470: Cat's Eye (Masons and Mafia)

[Malakittens]

Ohai guise. Catching up and it's going to be one huge post since this is my first real time reading the thread. I was reading the beginning of the game up until P2.

I liked this post by TR.
Basically calls out Venmar for his push on Venrob to L-3.

Horrible vote by Venmar.
- Very OMGUS-y.
- Looks as if he's fishing for reactions.

I also do not like how the wagon on TR grew like it did.

A few things I'm going to watch for in the upcoming pages:

Bitmap - Is he playing aggressively or passively?

(Bit of a self note)

This was the vote I did not like the most on the TR wagon.
- An L-3 wagon push.
- Didn't comment on Venmar's push.

The same goes with DJD's vote.

I stand corrected. I didn't realize it was an L-2 vote by Dannflor.

I do disagree with my slot's posts. I think the most likely scum who hopped on the TR wagon is probably Dannflor.

This post by Venmar read as reaction fishing.

DJD: This post is full of wrong facts.
- RVS was ended after TR/Venmar votes. (Dan's second vote did not read as RVS)
- No one got lynched for RVS.

I still am getting a possible town vibe just for calling this out.

DJD's next post killed any possible town vibe I got from the previous post. Located here.
- Looks as if he's fishing for other information.

Oh good OM called out DJD's post that was filled with wrong facts. /pats her previous slot's head.

Slight scum vibes on CD & Bitmap. {CD for dodging ongoing discussion, Bitmap for playing passively and being vague}

HEY WHISKERS. YOUR VOTECOUNT ON PAGE 4 IS WRONG.

Way to many null reads and way to many town reads in Venmar's post here.

Not liking this post by Melmond. Basically dodged all the ongoing discussion.

I don't like this post by McStab either.

Pretty sure Bitmap is scum. Especially this post just gives me that feeling.

I can somewhat see a scum-klick off this post.

Bit is being over-cautious in trying not to rolefish by explaining why. Here.

Oh man, Dann, buddy more with my previous slot head. >.>

This normally is usually a town-tell for me, but because of this setup of the game; I'm going to caution it. Can be possible scum-scum bouncing ideas off each other.

Don't like this post by CD. Lining up lynches.

Possibly looking at scum-McStab for defending Venmar. here.

WTF to this post. JUST WTF.

Alright so read lists:

greygnarl - Null
McStab - Possible scum.
JohnnyFarrar - Null. Not a lot of posts.
Bitmap- Obv-scum
Cheery Dog- Possible scum
DoubleJD- Strong-Town (Based on interactions between Venmar. Since I know Venmar has flipped Mafia)
Hyperion- leaning town
Venrob- Possible scum
Dannflor- Didn't like earlier posts. Leaning towards scum. (Weak though)
Melmond- Being a bit of a hyprocite. Mainly because he's pushing Bitmap for content when barely supplying his own. Possible scum. - Need to reelvuate after I see more content
TheReverend - town

Vote: Bitmap

My highest scum read

@TR: Since you paid attention to that game. Do you think Bitmap could be scum here?

[Malakittens]

Melmond- Being a bit of a hyprocite. Mainly because he's pushing Venrob for content when barely supplying his own. Possible scum. - Need to reelvuate after I see more content

Fixed ^

[Malakittens]

Thanks for clarifying that you aren't taking this game seriously.

[Malakittens]

Right now I want to see some serious content from Bitmap.

I was just recently fooled by him and he tends to play more aggressively as scum. So, far right now he is not playing aggressively. He was defending OM off meta, but then again someone defending someone based off meta by itself doesn't mean that person is town. I wouldn't be too quick to call someone town just because they defended someone. It's more of a null tell in my mind, but sometimes, depending on the player, is a scum-tell too. Early vote on Ven means nothing to me. Bit knows how to do early votes on his own partners of the same alignment.

[Malakittens]

You also have to take into account that I didn't read the game at all after p2. Those were my first impressions. Then I saw the flip of Venmar which changed my read on DJD.

Also, who says I'm not making decisions myself? I was just asking for your opinion since you read the most recent game. It's not like I'm piggybacking reads. I have my own.

[Malakittens]

Yeah, Venrob, that's so dumb. Mason soft claiming is bound to get you shot and killed if you are a mason. If you are town; you actually hurting the town by doing this and helping the scum out. If you are scum then you are fishing very poorly, but you are fishing for mason reactions.

Tied up with Klick's posts. I'm going to assume you're mafia and not town and probably not a mason. If you were a Mason you wouldn't have soft claimed.

vote: Venrob

[Malakittens]

How do you know he even attempted to shoot you and not someone else.
Oh good, now you are actually reading the thread.
Now you're backpedaling about Venmar shooting you.

[Malakittens]

Perfect.

Two mice down, two to go.

So, I know Bitmap wanted McStab dead. This might actually clear Bitmap for now.

I'm trying to wrap my head around why CD voted for Fritz while the McStab wagon was just starting to build.

CD, did you ever figure out if Venrob is scum or town? Based on this post.

CD hasn't really made a comment regarding Venmar's alignment other than if OM is scum then Venmar is town and vice versa.

Vote: CD

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I still haven't liked Venrob's recent posts. I did not really like Klick's prior posts.
-Only thing is Klick did vote for McStab, but then again Klick has no qualms for busing nor does he have any qualms for distancing either.

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As for Melmond. In this post.
-DJD seems town, he agrees with stuff on Venmar. Still kept his vote on OM.
Also he stated more content will come later, but never happened.
Any reason for that Melmond? ^

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[Malakittens]

You linked stuff from after page 2, so how are we meant to teahouse you had only read up to there?

Don't make me paw you. I'm not scared of dogs and I got claws.

Yes. Before I replaced into the slot I read up to Page 2 and then stopped reading.
Whiskers then needed a replacement and I wanted to play this game before, but I had to /out.
Are you stating that a replacement is more likely to not read the full thread or read the full thread and give their thoughts?
This isn't like a normal mafia game and reading is something you NEED to do. So I went the full mile and read the thread without looking at flips. Posted what jumped out at me. Once I got to the page with the Venmar flip; It came clear to me that DJD is most likely town.

[Malakittens]

No. I'm not going to ignore a previous slot's head. If he played badly; it reflects you also.

[Malakittens]

There was just a VC in Post 256.

I don't even see how you were in hammering range. Takes 7 to lynch last VC and you had two votes on you that round. If you count that day it makes 3 which is no where near 7.

[Malakittens]

Though, I'd love to know why you panicked actually.

vote: Venrob

I'm pretty sure you are scum.

[Malakittens]

Yeah. Well I can definitely make a case for why scum would panic in that same situation.
Scum-Panic because you were lynched without being able to make a shot.

[Malakittens]

Yeah. CD is another pick for scum so.

vote: CD

[Malakittens]

Hmm. If CD was scum; I'd think he try taking a shot already.

Vote: Venrob

I'm still thinking he's scum.

Still awaiting CD's answer from earlier with a comment I made towards him regarding Venrob.

[Malakittens]

@Fitz, Grey: CD was at L-2 which is not entirely close to L-1, but close enough and didn't shoot.

[Malakittens]

Man, I missed that post. I'm such a dork. Apologizes.

[Malakittens]

Decided that I'm going to apply some pressure onto Melmond and see where this leads me.

Vote: Melmond

There's been posts by Melmond that make me think he's not likely town. I addressed his posts in my post here.

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I'm still possibly wondering if earlier scum bussed their buddies and the other buddies bussed back.
Hopefully when I get off from work tomorrow.. I won't be so damn tired and I'll check that out.

[Malakittens]

Okay. That's why I don't think CD is scum. He was pretty much near death yet didn't shoot.

Yeah, I don't agree with the Venrob-town read, but that might be me being biased against Klick's posts. I didn't really enjoy the whole soft-claim either, but saw it as fishing for reactions rather than a soft-claim.

I was going to ask what setup mix up was presented, but reading back I'm guessing you are talking about Venrob's 268.

I'm toying with the fact Venmar/McStab distancing his partners. I swore that McStab did that in a micro and got his partner cleared due to it.

[Malakittens]

This setup is different though Bitmap.

[Malakittens]

You know what Venrob. If you WERE a mason which you still might be you would know if Mel IS a mason. Just saying.

[Malakittens]

Sure because it's pretty much clear that I'm town rather than scum unless OM hardcore bussed his other partners who have already died.

I already explained why CD is probably town, but you are going to have me answer the same question then well yes I'm going to stop replying because it's useless.

[Malakittens]

Cd: is Johnny your highest scum read?

[Malakittens]

Pretty sure scum is in {Venrob, Hyper or Melmond}

Vote: Melmond

Same reasons as before. I rather see a wagon on Melmond than Venrob at this point, but they are both huge contenders for being scum.

[Malakittens]

Yeah I'm with you DJD, I think havingfitz's wall is scummy upon further inspection. Cheery's flip is not going to change that.

Oh let's add TR into that list because of this comment. Seems as if already made your decision into voting Fitz regardless of a flip.

[Malakittens]

Meh. I'll vote with you guys on Hyper. Though I'm writing up a current post that explains my thoughts on TR or Venrob scum.

Vote: Hyper

Also, I'm putting him at L-1..

[Malakittens]

If he does flip mafia. Town could have had a huge possibility of winning a perfect game if everyone listened to me about CD and didn't lynch him.

[Malakittens]

<3 OM.

[Malakittens]

I take pride in calling every scum out, but one in my opening post

GG everyone! I enjoyed replacing in to test out my new play style

[Malakittens]

Mhmm. I was a mason and dumb DVD stop skipping or die x.x

[Malakittens]

Hyper was the only scum I didn't catch. Even then I thought TR/Venrob had a possibility of being scum by distancing and busing.

[Malakittens]

Not to me. Only thing that got you obv town was Venmar/McStab thing

[Malakittens]

Actually, Venmar two of those were wrong. Grey was a mason. I didn't like how dann slot buddied OM and I tried putting some distance between us, but I think that made it obvious I was a mason. Surprised it was caught onto.

[Malakittens]

Wasnt*

[Malakittens]

Same. I honestly knew he wasn't a Mason, but I didn't think he was town either. >.>