Open 395: Carbon-14 (Game Over-Scum Victory)

[Empking]

He knows why

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[Empking]

Yay! I'm great at this.

Vote: Elmo

- OMGUS!

[Empking]

Yay! I'm great at this.

Vote: Elmo

- OMGUS!

OMGUSING ME ALREADY!! KILL IT WITH FIRE HES SCUM!!
Granted killing you last time turned out to be a big mistake.

That game was lost wasn't it?

[Empking]

Lol.

I switched because you already had a vote on you, and because Chimera sounds cooler than my name and I want it D:

Vote: Chrimi

- L-1

[Empking]

Emp do you think he's doing the same thing I did last time we played this?

I can't remember

[Empking]

So who's down for hyposeer/cop?
UNVOTE: Chimi

I don't think it accomplishes much.

[Empking]

Quite frankly LS is correct.

[Empking]

Emp, on the other hand, has my attention. Why did you put him at L-1 so soon? Were you joke bandwagoning, or what?

Chrimi is scum. That's why I voted him. "LOl let nt progress it 2 erly" is stupid and why we're getting nowhere despite the earlier progress.

[Empking]

Chrimi's the scummiest player so far. But obvs I don't want him quicklynched. When Chrimi flips scum we'd still be screwed because we'd have no associative tells to go off of, so...yeah.

No a Chrimi/Emp team is not likely. Quite frankly I want everyone to actually start participating in the thread before we start thinking about teams, but Chimera's on V/LA.

A Chrimi/Chimera team would be hilarious.

And pretty likely based on the votes.

[Empking]

V/la computer issues

So Elmore is pretty bad at this distancing thing, isn't he?

[Empking]

LS: Elmore and Chrimi though at least Elmore isn't shamelessly not voting like tv and MB.

[Empking]

LS: Elmore and Chrimi though at least Elmore isn't shamelessly not voting like tv and MB.

What?

I was answering LS's question to me.

[Empking]

Elmore - So your saying Im scum with Chrimi though?

Yeah.

[Empking]

So if this was the case why would I put him at L-1 twice as an early bus? Knowing how hard it would be for me to win given I would need to get 2 MLs to get to a Lylo and even then have to nail what PR for the side I was on. What kind of odds you give that?

You put him on L-1 and then put him off it faster than a sloth can blink. As I said, you're lousy at distancing.

[Empking]

Your right Im lousy at distancing, maybe thats because Im town. Oh wow didn't think of that one did ya?
VOTE: Empking

That doesn't make any sense.

Yeah I think your bussing your partner already.

So you vote the player without any votes rather than the player who had one. (So following the Vote: Town, Suspect: Partner that fits with the distancing hypothesis that I suggested.)

[Empking]

Mm, I guess I see. I don't like how he framed the argument though. You putting Chrimi to L-1 then unvoting was scummy. But I don't think that Emp should call that "distancing" and use that as his major point against you. Just looks like a way to shoehorn a buzzword in.

How would you put it?

Chrmi's last post is seriously bad though. Not sure if actually scummy though since neither should admit to not scumhunting and merely adding "some pressure".

[Empking]

I would have just said it like it is: Elmo putting Chrimi to L-1 and then taking him off was scummy.

That's not an argument though. Why is

Elmo putting Chrimi to L-1 and then taking him off

scummy? You're just stating a fact and then making a completely ridiculous leap.

A distancing argument is an ineffective one to make because the people you're trying to convince have to accept that both Elmo and Chrimi are scum.

No its an argument for Elmo being scum, with your logic anything could require people to accept the accused to be scum.

[Empking]

Elmo: Yes. e.g. His insincere reason for voting me.

[Empking]

Elmo is being really opportunistic and is jumping on me at the first sign of something scummy (the "something" in question isn't even scummy).

Yeah that's exactly what I saw too. (Where the "me" in question was me.)

[Empking]

Unvote, Vote: Elmo

[Empking]

I'm still for a TvK lynch. And I still don't see a claim from him.

He's not on claim time either.

[Empking]

Chrimi declaring intent to hammer without a claim is quite bad too, now that I think about it. He's falling out of my good graces.

Made me laugh.

I would only claim once somebody declares a hammer. That's why I declared, so we could get a claim out of him.

Since when did people claim when they were at L-1 but nobody had declared an intent?

I agree that that's less than optimal play but don't pretend that it doesn't happen.

[Empking]

This is going to sound like the dumbest question of all time but you want my response to all of this?

As a general rule, its doubtful that anyone would fully peruse it if you did.

[Empking]

Also Empking, what are your thoughts on this case?

It probably wouldn't convince me.

[Empking]

You can't get a meta from one game.

[Empking]

You can't get a meta from one game.

[Empking]

Empking how do you feel about a Moneybags lynch?

There's a million better lynches. He's third or fourth but I'm not going to vote for my third or fourth.

[Empking]

Who are the better lynches and why?

Chimra - He's lounging around.
Elmo - Not scumhunting. He's opportunistic rather than looking for scum.

[Empking]

Moneybags isn't scumhunting either. He's doing the same as Elmo.

I don't think its to the same extent.

[Empking]

That was a torturous last couple of pages to read.

[Empking]

Empking do you think I'm town or scum?

I still say town. I like your original reads and I think you're being reactionary in a town way.

[Empking]

Do you believe my cases?

Not really.

[Empking]

No. Its you doing the reactionary "oh no you called me scum" thing I was talking about.

[Empking]

I'm willing to drop my Elmo scumread if Empking can join me on Moneybags' wagon.

What?

[Empking]

, and town was stupid and almost lynched me for being pro-town ... Moneybags is just trying to get me out of the way now because he knows I'll be a threat later.

He isn't because you won't be.

[Empking]

Om; If you think that then?

Vote: Chrimi

[Empking]

Quite a bit more than a day left actually.

[Empking]

LS: We're waiting on you.

[Empking]

No quickhammers~ You better declare a god damn intent.

We have less than half a day left.

[Empking]

I'm here. Deciding what to do.

I will not be quickhammering whoever I decide. Unfortunately I think both of you could be scum for different reasons which just makes this all the harder.

You have seven hours left. Unless we have different definitions of "quickhhammering" then: You will be quickhammering.

[Empking]

I'm fine with massclaiming. I agree with Elmo that the odds are we've just a named townie left.

[Empking]

At current I'm leaning towards TVK to be the seer. I'm not liking the recent posts by him though, it seems like he's trying to wall us to death.

[Empking]

There's nothing particularly wrong with walling us to death. I like that he's trying, even if I don't have the time to actually go through it and see if it's valid.

Its trying that helps scum-him more than it helps town-him.

[Empking]

Nice job sucking up to them.

[Vote: Moneuybags

[Empking]

For those that have played in LYLO before (this is my first time...): would ScumEmp have jumped on a SeerMB wagon? Or would he have waited for someone else to vote for SeerMB and then quickhammer?

If you look at Chuck Mafia (if it wasn't wiped out) you can see what ScumEmp would do (more or less)

So its pretty clearly MB & Elmo as scum.

[Empking]

I mostly meant would scum hop on a town wagon in general instead of waiting to drop the hammer.

There was no real pressure to get on the MB wagon when I did but I know I'm town so I'm not exactly unbiased.

But what's it like?

Pardon?

[Empking]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=17331

[Empking]

I'm still pretty confident that its Elmo. Obviouslu I won;'t vote till everyone's had their say.

[Empking]

This game. WHY COULDNT I DIE?!?!??

Emp - really now? THE MAN WHO SAYS ALMOST NOTHIN THINKS IT'S ME DJEGJFEUHEV

:/ You obviously wouldn't die because TvK was the cleared Town Seer.

And why are you getting so mad at Emp?

Two words: He's faking.

[Empking]

I'm thinking that Elmo's scum even if you ignore the words in the posts (such as Elmo's fake thougts and emotions) his play has always been a sort of delaying tactic. He'll make the right moves (e.g. hammering MB) but only when he doesn't have any choice.

On the other hand, I can't help but think that my town read on LS is all down to a shared (wrong) read on Chrimi all the way back on D1.

[Empking]

Didn't you NK me in the Carbon game? I might be thinking of a different game but I don't think so.

[Empking]

Emp what do you think of Elmo's reason for voting you?

Hadn't noticed he had.

[Empking]

Emp what do you think of Elmo's reason for voting you?

Hadn't noticed he had.

I haven't. >_> how did we determine LS is town though?

We haven't.

[Empking]

On the other hand, I can't help but think that my town read on LS is all down to a shared (wrong) read on Chrimi all the way back on D1.

I still say town. Mostly because that feeling is there and you're really scummy. If he is scum though I'll give him my congratulations but I wouldn't be shocked.

[Empking]

The difference in action? I can't say I've seen any. I would argue strenuously that I was one of the aggressive players in this game.

[Empking]

Vote: Elmo

Moment of truth?

[Empking]

Scum QT (there's nothing secret in it): http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/W4qaFv4rhCXGB