In post 7, Lastsurvivor wrote:VOTE: Chrimi
Because I'm butthurt about our last game together and he reminds me of that.
Oh hey, both Chrimi and Elmo are here. This is almost like a newbie 1206 reunion!
In post 31, Lastsurvivor wrote:Sorry for the double post. <_<
In post 23, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Emp do you think he's doing the same thing I did last time we played this?
Elaborate for those of us who weren't in the game?
In post 108, Moneybags wrote:I haven't played with him enough to know. If that's what you think then I guess we can let this "slide" until he does something else scummy enough =/
In post 114, Empking wrote:LS: Elmore and Chrimi though at least Elmore isn't shamelessly not voting like tv and MB.
In post 126, Lastsurvivor wrote:Both Emp and Elmo aren't making a lot of sense TBH. I don't see how you can use distancing to prove that someone's scum.
But Emp thinks that Im scum with Chrimi. In post 137, Om of the Nom wrote:Alright, kinda just glossed over the game, which in turn made me forget some of what I just read, but my gut reads shouldn't be affected by it.
In other words, UNVOTE: .
LS is super duper obv. town, and I share basically the same reads as him (except I'm leaning null-scum on Emp and null-town on Elmo). C'mon LS! Lets go buddy buddy and power through this game!
I wanna wagon TvK.
VOTE: TvK
In post 157, Om of the Nom wrote:Wow, I was not expecting a TvK wagon that quickly, I still need to do my more thorough reread. I will UNVOTE: for now because I don't want a hammer while I reread again, but I willFoS:TvKso consider my vote on him.
@TvK: My reads were mainly gut, something about your posts felt scummy, plus you weren't very memorable and to me it felt like you blended into the background (which is a good position for scum to be in).
In post 163, Om of the Nom wrote:Elmo is being really opportunistic and is jumping on me at the first sign of something scummy (the "something" in question isn't even scummy).
In post 178, Lastsurvivor wrote:Elmo's not really making a lot of sense in the Elmo/Om conflict. I doubt Om thought the wagon would escalate that quickly (3 people with an intent to hammer), and he even left a FoS on TvK before he did his reread. I believe that his read actually changed. Elmo's being quite opportunistic.
In post 180, Lastsurvivor wrote:In post 179, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:At least Im generation discussion and putting people in awkward positions.
Ah, the good ol' "I'm generating discussion" rationale.
Anyway, while I agree with you that Om should have expected a wagon to form, I don't think it's reasonable for anyone to expect that someone would have already declared intent to hammer this quickly.
Chrimi declaring intent to hammer without a claim is quite bad too, now that I think about it. He's falling out of my good graces.
In post 184, Om of the Nom wrote:In post 179, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:At least Im generation discussion and putting people in awkward positions.
Wow this is so bad it's re-vote worthy.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Elmo TeH AzN
In post 181, Moneybags wrote:Everything exploded o_o
I think Elmo's townish.
I don't even know what to think about Emp or LS.
I'm still for a TvK lynch. And I still don't see a claim from him.
Chrimi wanting to hammer before TvK claimed isn't good.
I don't know much else besides that right now.
Why is Elmo town? Why should TvK claim now that he's not at L-1?
This is a perfect example of Moneybags doing nothing but standing by waiting for a lynch. This is why we need to lynch him tomorrow.
can I join?Empking wrote:In post 186, Chrimi wrote:In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=4011906#p4011906]post 180[/url], Lastsurvivor wrote:Chrimi declaring intent to hammer without a claim is quite bad too, now that I think about it. He's falling out of my good graces.
Made me laugh.
I would only claim once somebody declares a hammer. That's why I declared, so we could get a claim out of him.
Since when did people claim when they were at L-1 but nobody had declared an intent?
I agree that that's less than optimal play but don't pretend that it doesn't happen.
In post 198, Om of the Nom wrote:@LS: I don't see why TvK should suspect you though. If I was in his position I would think you're town because you're pressuring me and trying to discern my alignment.
In post 199, Om of the Nom wrote:Why is Elmo not dead yet? Also I'm still waiting on an explanation as to why he's town.
In post 208, Om of the Nom wrote:Go ahead and answer those questions if you want, I don't care whether you do or not because you're scum and I'll get you lynched no matter what.
In post 202, Om of the Nom wrote:Guys, seriously, we have scum right in front of us.
In post 159, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:In post 137, Om of the Nom wrote:Alright, kinda just glossed over the game, which in turn made me forget some of what I just read, but my gut reads shouldn't be affected by it.
In other words, UNVOTE: .
LS is super duper obv. town, and I share basically the same reads as him (except I'm leaning null-scum on Emp and null-town on Elmo). C'mon LS! Lets go buddy buddy and power through this game!
I wanna wagon TvK.
VOTE: TvK
You ask for a wagon and its too quick of a wagon when theres 7 people in the game...
He says this, and gives no opinion on it to try and con everyone else into thinking I'm scum. He doesn't even turn it into a question to try to get more information out of me.
If I was trying to con people into it, I was doing a really crappy job.
In post 157, Om of the Nom wrote:Wow, I was not expecting a TvK wagon that quickly, I still need to do my more thorough reread. I will UNVOTE: for now because I don't want a hammer while I reread again, but I willFoS:TvKso consider my vote on him.
@TvK: My reads were mainly gut, something about your posts felt scummy, plus you weren't very memorable and to me it felt like you blended into the background (which is a good position for scum to be in).
Make up your mind.
Again, he never specifies whether or not he thought what I did was scummy. He leaves it out in the open for everyone else to decide.
Im not one to force the issue and have people see it only my way. I personally want them to form their own opinion on what they think of it.
In post 164, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:In post 163, Om of the Nom wrote:Elmo is being really opportunistic and is jumping on me at the first sign of something scummy (the "something" in question isn't even scummy).
So if I would've jumped on MB it's different
Here he tries to throw a loaded question at me. He's also twisting my words to make it sound like what I said was scummy.
No your making it a loaded question. I just asked if I asked would I be considered "town". Its a simple question.
In post 166, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:I don't like how you asked for a wagon and just back off when your wagon forms quick
What don't you like about it? Is it scummy, or just bad-town? He also ignores the context of my hop off the wagon and tries to twist it into something scummy. And again, he doesn't follow up with a question to try and discern my alignment.
That you ask for a wagon and I thought you had read the game. If you did you knew people were willing to get right on that TvK wagon. Going off what I know. Scummy. Am I stretching a bit here sure. Why would I follow up with a question. You wanted to vote for TvK and you did. Nothing more to say
More coming.
In post 179, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:In post 178, Lastsurvivor wrote:Elmo's not really making a lot of sense in the Elmo/Om conflict. I doubt Om thought the wagon would escalate that quickly (3 people with an intent to hammer), and he even left a FoS on TvK before he did his reread. I believe that his read actually changed. Elmo's being quite opportunistic.
Im going to state my biggest point here. I don't like it because people were already willing to wagon on TvK it was expressed before and to be worried about a wagon that quick when people have been talking about it and moving votes like their going out of style shouldn't surprise anyone.This is arguably the towniest thing he's said so far, but he's still scum.
As for me being opportunistic. Why not call all my votes this game opportunistic.Here he deflects a valid point.At least Im generation discussion and putting people in awkward positions.Here he uses the typical scum phrase of "Oh no I must be town because I'm doing pro-town stuff." It sounds like he's saying "You've caught me for all the wrong reasons." Then again, that might just be how it comes across to me.
In post 182, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:In post 180, Lastsurvivor wrote:In post 179, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:At least Im generation discussion and putting people in awkward positions.
Ah, the good ol' "I'm generating discussion" rationale.
Anyway, while I agree with you that Om should have expected a wagon to form, I don't think it's reasonable for anyone to expect that someone would have already declared intent to hammer this quickly.
Chrimi declaring intent to hammer without a claim is quite bad too, now that I think about it. He's falling out of my good graces.
I agree with you on Chrimi bit it also seems he was working on forcing a claimHow was he doing it? Why do you think he was doing it? Does it make him scum for doing it?
In post 188, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:In post 184, Om of the Nom wrote:In post 179, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:At least Im generation discussion and putting people in awkward positions.
Wow this is so bad it's re-vote worthy.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Elmo TeH AzN
In post 181, Moneybags wrote:Everything exploded o_o
I think Elmo's townish.
I don't even know what to think about Emp or LS.
I'm still for a TvK lynch. And I still don't see a claim from him.
Chrimi wanting to hammer before TvK claimed isn't good.
I don't know much else besides that right now.
Why is Elmo town? Why should TvK claim now that he's not at L-1?
This is a perfect example of Moneybags doing nothing but standing by waiting for a lynch. This is why we need to lynch him tomorrow.
Why not today. Tomorrow is lylo unless we nail a scum today.Now he's trying to deflect the wagon off of him and onto Moneybags (aka he's bussing).As for my post being bad. Meh it is what it is.This isn't even a defense, he doesn't even try to explain his actions clearly.
Oh and we're wagoning on me againComplete ignorance of the context here. He as being wagoned the whole time.
Elmo wrote:Empking wrote:In post 186, Chrimi wrote:In post 180, Lastsurvivor wrote:Chrimi declaring intent to hammer without a claim is quite bad too, now that I think about it. He's falling out of my good graces.
Made me laugh.
I would only claim once somebody declares a hammer. That's why I declared, so we could get a claim out of him.
Since when did people claim when they were at L-1 but nobody had declared an intent?
I agree that that's less than optimal play but don't pretend that it doesn't happen.
Emp has a good point here. Anyone could have came and quickhammered. And been like ooooooohhhh yeah!!!Who is anyone? Who do you think is scum?
In post 226, Om of the Nom wrote:inb4 Elmo tries to make me look like scum by saying I chickened off the wagon when I thought it wasn't going to happen.
That isn't how things work bro.
In post 258, Chrimi wrote:I hate it when I see things that look so damn scummy between two people but one of them is me...
In post 347, Om of the Nom wrote:I'm quite surprised about how the only thing Elmo seemed to be able to comment on about the last few pages is that the mod got the votecount wrong.
I mean, even though he's scum I still expected more.
In post 278, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:ITT: Om flails and tries to disprove every case against him. And calls people scummy for things he's said
Pedit: how about we Lynch Om and then pair em up
In post 396, Om of the Nom wrote:Guys, new theory:
Moneybags and Chrimi are scum, and Chrimi agreed with Moneyscum's case to try and get everyone to think it's a good case and lynch me for it.
It makes perfect sense.
In post 408, Chrimi wrote:I did not see everybody jumping off the wagon and coming to lynch me. WTF is up with Elmo's redirection?!
VOTE: Elmo
In post 410, Chrimi wrote:I had been voting you forever and the whole time you were flailing trying to get something on me. I leave for a second for TvK and these players did exactly what I thought they would: Put me at L-1
