Vengeful Mafia 351.1/2 (.2!)

[don_johnson]

/confirm...

ed

[don_johnson]

hooray! are we going to RVS? seems kind of stupid in such a small game. how does everyone feel about setting up our vengeful shots? unless we call him, we'll have little chance of discovering the gf(except through scumhunting). i.e. i'm assuming the gf is bulletproof. the pm is slightly ambiguous. or is it? whatevz. i'm guessing donjosh is scum.

[don_johnson]

thats wonderful. you completely ignore the content of my post and the questions therein, then chainsaw defend your scumbuddy. this ones just about wrapped up. spyrex, what do you think? i'm on kdowns/donjosh.

[don_johnson]

If you are shot, this does not apply.

^^ there. i guess it means that if its two townie one gf, townie can't vig gf? so i guess its quasi-bp? in any case, how do you feel about calling shots? yay/nay?

kdowns: how is your vote "rvs"?

[don_johnson]

kdowns: that is now two questions you have avoided. "my first vote is always RVS" in not an acceptable or logical answer to "

how

is your vote RVS?" it also does not address the fact that you ignored my question completely. so whatevz.

spyrex: please don't insult my intelligence. the wording was a bit strange.

[don_johnson]

my question regarding calling shots was due to the fact that i originally read the gf pm to mean bp. its not, so the question is a bit irrelevant. i find it funny that kdowns answers the question "who would you shoot right now?" but then says he is against calling shots. but whatevz.

MoI: i don't think voting should be done too lightly. in small games, scum can be overly aggressive as it only takes one townie mistake to lose the game. i.e. one mislynch and a bad vig shot and this games over. so a quicklynch is clearly in the best interest of scum. so i see no reason to vote as i don't really think the votes carry as much "pressure" as they would in a normal game. but maybe i'm wrong. i'm just not going to vote right off the bat on page 1 or 2. especially with my current access as it is. 12 hours away from my comp and this game could be over. so i'll take it slow.

oh, and donjosh should just change his name. i am the original. he's just a copycat.

[don_johnson]

I disagree from this standpoint -

1. Voting is even more important in Vengeful games. You have to consider playing for Day 2 (aka a worst case scenario). Town has very little information at hand so putting out as much information as possible for relational and other analysis long-term is best.
2. The 'danger' of a quicklynch is highly overrated. I've never seen a quicklynch that didn't end in Scum getting shot in non-Marathon games.

1. this is my first vengeful. i don't see the "importance". worst case scenario is day 1 loss. so day 2 isn't something i need to think about.

2. i quicklynch the shit out of unsuspecting townies all the time. your experience must be different than mine.

josh: why would you shoot me? if you think kdowns is scummy? thats just silly. and why are you calling your shot?

[don_johnson]

if you are town i think that may be an ok shot, but i would urge you to reconsider and shoot magna. no way does a townie post this:

And now we wait for the reveal …

seriously? you are so confident in your reads on page 2 that you are going to stop scumhunting?

lets look at the chain of events here:

MoI votes josh "for motivation".

spyrex places josh at L-1 using the gamblers fallacy.

kdowns hammers.

in between all of that, MoI was talking about how quicklynches are "overrated", and seemed to be downplaying the whole idea that scum would quicklynch in this setting. why? because townies can shoot. and? so why doesn't MoI then say: "hey josh, if you're town, shoot kdowns(or spyrex)." ?? instead he says:

And now we wait for the reveal …

this a) keeps himself out of the spotlight and b) dampers discussion which increases the chances of a townie misfire in the case of a mislynch.

no townie says that.

NO FUCKING WAY.

kdowns could be scum for the quick hammer. could be vi.
spyrex could be scum for the gamblers fallacy L-1 on page 2. could be spyrex.

MoI is 100% scum after that display. if you are town. shoot his ass.

[don_johnson]

Are you familiar with it? Its when you use "odds" like "one DJ must be scum" when those odds are completely irrelevant. Its similar to the argument some people use to say "well the last game I played with x, he was scum. So this game he must be town." But whatevz. Id like to hear from kdowns.

[don_johnson]

Kk. Whatevz. Its rather irrelevant. I was busy nailing MoI, my description of your vote was simply part of the process, and from the way it was worded, I interpreted it as gamblers fallacy. I am surprised neither of you has voted the other and tried to convince me you are town. I'll post more later from home, but i'd like to see a little effort from whichever of you is town.

[don_johnson]

ok. so spyrex explanation of his vote does make it less scummy. its still an L-1 on page 2. scumspyrex could have easily counted on kdowns or don_johnson to drop a hammer. However, both scum voting consecutively and buddying while doing so(i refer to the exchange regarding vote order)? unlikely imo. probtown.

kdowns dropped a quick hammer. with no reasoning attached. if kdowns is gf, he painted a giant target on his back while quicklynching a townie. doesn't make sense from a gf perspective.

so i'm more inclined to think kdowns is scum based on VCA, but i can't see him dropping that hammer as gf. on the other hand, MoI's last post attempts to tie don_johnson to scumkdowns, which makes sense due to MoI's self-proclaimed belief of playing for day 2.

so, spyrex, are you the gf?

kdowns: how can have nothing to say? both of you should be 100% positive who the last scum is, and yet you both seem to have come out soft here on day 2.

[don_johnson]

ok. i guess whichever of you is town doesn't care about this game. sheesh. i will check in before i go to work, otherwise i won't be back til tomorrow around this time.

[don_johnson]

kdowns: you have 24 hours to respond.

[don_johnson]

W.
T.
F.?

If you are town you need to retire.

unvote, vote kdowns

If you are scum, you're just silly.

[don_johnson]

Good shot josh. Way to think it through. what sold you on MoI?

Kdowns: wtf? Why did you throw in the towel like that? You had a chance...

[don_johnson]

i think you mean kdowns. it would have gone game over if he shot me. i had fun. well done guys.

i'm in for another if everyone else is. otherwise i'll see you around.