Open 349 - Masons and Monks (Endgame)

[Gen_Wolf]

Vote: DLG

Two games, two votes... have to be a little bit consistent

[Gen_Wolf]

Whispers to gen_wolf*Kill whiskers before she finds out*.

No one else heard that right?

Ya! Totally!

[Gen_Wolf]

marethon games

Well, i'm glad your a damn good speller as well
So whats the serious vote based on?

[Gen_Wolf]

Two basic questions:

How much experience do you have on this website?

- 2 completed games, 2 replaced, 1 finished

Timezone?

- US Central time: I think GMT-6. it's currently 10:46 my time.

1 completed games, currently playing in 2

GMT + 1 but that is soon changing to GMT

-Australian eastern time- I think that it is GMT +11 at the moment

You live in Brissy? I'm on the sunshine coast

-Australian eastern time- I think that it is GMT +11 at the moment

You live in Brissy? I'm on the sunshine coast

Sydney, probably should have specified that it was Australian EDT.

Pinkfloyd + Deas for Werewolves as they both australian!!!

[Gen_Wolf]

Why werewolves and not mafia? Could it be because you are actually mafia?

Mafia is too obvious!!

[Gen_Wolf]

Why werewolves and not mafia? Could it be because you are actually mafia?

Mafia is too obvious!!

And you don't have Bryce Lawerence to save you

/Bitter South African!!!

[Gen_Wolf]

I'm not liking Whiskers at the moment!

She' sticking her neck to far out, trying too hard to convince us she is "town", she also stated she like's being in control and that again is just trying to take the reins rather than earn it!

I think your scum taking a risk and trying to come off townie by trying to convince people that "scum wouldn't be out there so early"

and for this

Unvote: Vote: Whiskers

[Gen_Wolf]

Before I post I'm going to UNVOTE: Whiskers since she's at L-1. I'm not comfortable with any quick-lynches yet, especially before I'm fully caught up again. That wagon formed

way

to quickly for my liking. Reading through now.

Your vote wasn't on Whiskers???????????? Hmmm Your playing a different game to us Princess Kiwi! How could you forget who you vote for??

@Whiskers: Your trying too hard! Your sending the accusations out and your trying to get people to look in the direction you point! I don't like that, I will look where I want to look and decide who I want to follow and vote for and anything else if it comes to it! You said you like being in control and I don't want you to be in control because I don't trust you!

Also lying is bad!!

[Gen_Wolf]

Before I post I'm going to UNVOTE: Whiskers since she's at L-1. I'm not comfortable with any quick-lynches yet, especially before I'm fully caught up again. That wagon formed

way

to quickly for my liking. Reading through now.

How am I putting words in your mouth??

You unvoted whiskers when you never had a vote on whiskers?? She was never at L-1 either!

So no i never put words in your mouth! Get your facts straight before you accuse!

[Gen_Wolf]

Interesting DLG, I'd think you'd be voting for me, for usurping your place.
FoS DLG.

I AM NOT CLAIMING TO BE THE STRONGEST PLAYER.

I WILL NOT TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN. MOVE ON.

I LIKE BEING SCUM, IT'S MORE FUN.

I WILL NOT TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN. MOVE ON.

I actually was leaning town on DLG, but I don't know why he hasn't brought up my "lie" as evidence against me.

No, I won't move on! If I want to talk about it I will talk about it and so will everyone else if they want too and you know what, if you don't want to talk about it but then I will just keep voting for you because avoiding questions doesn't benefit town. It doesn't matter how relevant they are at the time.

P.S. This is you sticking your neck out!

[Gen_Wolf]

How experienced are you, FanF? Your join date is Oct 6, so who are you an alt of? What other sites have you been on? How many years have you been playing?

If we wanted you to know who we are, then I would've said it already. Over a year.

Why am I your biggest scumread? Because I'm full of myself? I expect an answer to this.

My main issue is that you come off as wanting to be some town leader but failing at it. You're also super over-defensive/aggressive.
Also, stuff like this captures the general essence of my problem with your posts

Kondi is afraid of me, since I'm a damn good scum player and I'm a damn good town player in marethon games-- the only games kondi's competed with me in.

"Look at me. I'm so good at this game so you should all worship me and back the fuck off." The arrogance is not only annoying but also makes you sound like you're full of shit and can't be trusted.

QFE

@Daes: What are your thoughts on Whiskers trying to take control, it could be a good thing (if she's town) but it could be a bad thing is she is scum (Duh, thanks captain obvious) anyways, my point is, I think Whiskers is trying too hard to take control, also with aggression and uncertainty in her play style won't help that.

@Whiskers, i'm not saying its bad to wear your heart on your sleeve but your too emotive, it makes us edgy and then uncertain! I don't like uncertainty!

[Gen_Wolf]

Go ahead, bro, ask me a question.
I'll answer it, even. Ask me a question. I'm not refusing to answer questions. If you want to talk about my playstyle forever and ever, that's cool with me, but I'm done.
But ask me a question. I'm not avoiding any question, am I? Is there something I missed? Ask me a question.

Well you said you refused to talk about "You being the strongest player" again. Bad attitude. That's all i'm saying, it doesn't look very town like does it?

[Gen_Wolf]

@Daes: What are your thoughts on Whiskers trying to take control, it could be a good thing (if she's town) but it could be a bad thing is she is scum (Duh, thanks captain obvious) anyways, my point is, I think Whiskers is trying too hard to take control, also with aggression and uncertainty in her play style won't help that.

In my posts makes you think I'm trying to take over? I need to document it.

@Whiskers, i'm not saying its bad to wear your heart on your sleeve but your too emotive, it makes us edgy and then uncertain! I don't like uncertainty!

So basically, you

don't

have a scum read on me, I'm just making you nervous. Good to know

Go ahead, bro, ask me a question.
I'll answer it, even. Ask me a question. I'm not refusing to answer questions. If you want to talk about my playstyle forever and ever, that's cool with me, but I'm done.
But ask me a question. I'm not avoiding any question, am I? Is there something I missed? Ask me a question.

Well you said you refused to talk about "You being the strongest player" again. Bad attitude. That's all i'm saying, it doesn't look very town like does it?

Right, but you didn't accuse me of "not talking about being the strongest player." No,

you accused me of avoiding questions.

Go ahead, and point out a question I avoided.

Vote: Gen_Wolf

I'll wait.

Interesting DLG, I'd think you'd be voting for me, for usurping your place.
FoS DLG.

I AM NOT CLAIMING TO BE THE STRONGEST PLAYER.

I WILL NOT TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN. MOVE ON.

I LIKE BEING SCUM, IT'S MORE FUN.

I WILL NOT TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN. MOVE ON.

I actually was leaning town on DLG, but I don't know why he hasn't brought up my "lie" as evidence against me.

No, I won't move on! If I want to talk about it I will talk about it and so will everyone else if they want too and you know what, if you don't want to talk about it but then I will just keep voting for you because avoiding questions doesn't benefit town. It doesn't matter how relevant they are at the time.

P.S. This is you sticking your neck out!

Future tense bud. Why do you think your the strongest player again?

Did the strongest player just do an OMGUS vote??
Reasoning?

[Gen_Wolf]

--snip--
Your allowed your opinion and I noted what you said here, but they were all statements so unless you want me to respond I've taken note of your opinion

#112, you try to back out of accusing me of avoiding questions and accuse me of "BAD ATTITUDE."
I refused to talk about a preferance that was derailing the game, hardly relevant, save for the fact that other players were focusing on that as if it were some sort of tell, and you tell me, "that's all I'm saying, it doesn't look very much town like does it?"

I didn't back out because my next post was the one explaining your avoidance of questions which I will answer below. Also, if players are asking you questions on it then it clearly isn't as irrelevant as you think. You can't walk through this game telling people what you think is relevant or not, we will decide for ourselves if it is or isn't and it is a bad attitude, again stop telling me people what they can and can't do and let them talk about what they want, who they want

and stop bolding it because ["ooo look its all big and bold let me be scared"] we will decide thank you very much!

#109 is you refusing to move on from bullshit non-tells. It's also where you accuse me of avoiding questions.

Point me to a question I've avoided.

#124: There we are! There's a question!
I

DON'T[/T] THINK I AM THE STRONGEST PLAYER, BUT THANKS FOR TWISTING MY WORDS?

Note: Those are two seperate quotes in one quote bracket

What about the future tense?
Tell me what questions I avoided.

The whole future tense was in reference to you avoiding questions. If you have the "bad attitude" of

AND THATS THE LAST I'M SAYING ABOUT ME BEING THE STRONGEST PLAYER

how do we know that you won't avoid questions in the future? That's what that is about.

[Gen_Wolf]

WHERE HAVE I AVOIDED A QUESTION?

And no, I won't stop bolding things because it scares you. If it scares you, how do I know you won't something something later when I use bold and you're scared?

Stop being an idiot in the post about your this... Post 128. Stop being an idiot and READ!!!!

Also it doesn't scare me, its fucking annoying!

[Gen_Wolf]

WHERE HAVE I AVOIDED A QUESTION?

And no, I won't stop bolding things because it scares you. If it scares you, how do I know you won't something something later when I use bold and you're scared?

Stop being an idiot in the post above this post... Post 128. Stop being an idiot and READ!!!!

Also it doesn't scare me, its fucking annoying!

Fixed mistake sorry

[Gen_Wolf]

Also, answer the question I asked you--

you

are avoiding:
You're voting me based on a hypothetical situation in which I avoid a question?

Why are you making this up? I never once said that was the reason I voted for you! Now your lying, nice one! LAL

The reason I voted for you was in post #80 dear Whiskers:

I'm not liking Whiskers at the moment!

She' sticking her neck to far out, trying too hard to convince us she is "town", she also stated she like's being in control and that again is just trying to take the reins rather than earn it!

I think your scum taking a risk and trying to come off townie by trying to convince people that "scum wouldn't be out there so early"

and for this

Unvote: Vote: Whiskers

Learn to read hey...

[Gen_Wolf]

And apparently some statementsthat I've turned into questions that should be answered.

Do

you

think I am the strongest player, Gen_Wolf? No, I don't. Far from it actually. I think your the noisiest player!
If yes, then Why?
If no, then why did you refer to me as such? I never once said I thought you were the strongest player and if your referring to post #124 its called a little bit of sarcasm

Is "Sticking my neck out too much" a scumtell? Depends on the situation. The situation you did it in I think yes, and I justify in post #80 (Also quoted in my post above)
Is "being too aggressive" a scumtell or a playstyle trait? Yes,

I

think it is.
Is "bad attitude" about a derailing, non-game-related topic a scumtell? It wasn't about the topic, it was about the attitude towards the topic.

Show me a post

before

#80 where I'm trying to take control.

Combination of post's add up too it. I can't specifically pull one out as it alone is not sufficient to justify you taking control.

Are you voting me for avoiding questions

in the future???

No, read post #80 because you obviously missed it first time around.
If Yes, then I will need to read your meta to see if you are incredibly stoooopid or just scum. Go find it then.
If No, then why

are

you voting for me? POST NUMBER 80!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's everything, I think. Thanks.

[Gen_Wolf]

That's seriously the

only

thing you acknowledge in that post, Gen_Wolf? UNVOTE: VOTE: Gen_Wolf

No, I was answering them in two seperate posts?

[Gen_Wolf]

People don't usually do that, but I'll let it slide because of the double-post indicating that that is true. UNVOTE: VOTE: YoYo Continue.

Sorry, Haven't quite got the hang of the multi quote thing yet!

[Gen_Wolf]

I'm not liking Whiskers at the moment!

Let's find out why!

She' sticking her neck to far out, trying too hard to convince us she is "town", she also stated she like's being in control and that again is just trying to take the reins rather than earn it!

I'm missing this part. I'm playing the game. When I get asked a question, I'm accused of "being aggressive." The only thing that doesn't quite fit in to this is where I was upset by the mod's decision, which wasn't a tell afaik.
But "I'm trying to take the reigns rather than earn it."
If you need to use multiple posts to prove this, go ahead.

I think your scum taking a risk and trying to come off townie by trying to convince people that "scum wouldn't be out there so early"

Oh look, the same thing again. "Sticking my neck too far out."

and for this

Unvote: Vote: Whiskers

And you have

nothing

else?

How about this question, Gen_Wolf: do you really think I'm Mafia?

No, I don't.

[Gen_Wolf]

sorry forgot to unvote...

unvote

[Gen_Wolf]

Gen_Wolf, Now that you don't think Whiskers is scum, who do you think is scum?

No, i'm going to do a bit of a reread and then see where I stand.

[Gen_Wolf]

@Princess Kiwi.

I hadn't posted since post #44 because I was watching the act unfold. I attacked Whiskers because I thought Whiskers was scum and I left the others because well personally I thought it was a bit too and fro and they would come to a conclusion soon enough.

I thought Whiskers was scum, attacked her.

Anyways, now i'm starting to question Deas, purely because he is trying too hard to look townie if you know what I mean. Constantly apologizing, backing off quickly just small things like that, almost as if he is trying to stay out of the limelight.

For that reason:

Vote: Deasvail

[Gen_Wolf]

What is with all the silly votes for me?

Anyway, Gen_Wolf:

I don't understand how I've done what you're saying I've done. I could be mistaken though, so if you are convinced that I have been constantly apologising or backing off quickly please provide examples so I can explain why I did certain... things.

To answer this,

I think saying, constantly is an exaggeration on my part, however I was referring to this post you made to PK:

Kiwi, please let me know if I haven't answered all your questions.

I'm not exactly sure what gave me the feeling that whiskers was scum. I think it was the nitpicking and impatience mainly and also suggesting that kondi provide meta.

Now the kondi thing: I wasn't saying that the question was good reason for suspecting yoyo. I said that it seemed to be the reason for kondi suspecting him, rather than automatically making him scum.

Sorry about mixing PK up with pinkfloyd.

I found yoyo's reaction suspicious because the suspicion never seemed that strong and yoyo seemed to take it much more seriously than expected. I think this was a bit scummy because I think scum are more likely to over-react than town. The main reason I saw it as an over-reaction was because that's just how it seemed to me from the tone of his post and also because of his complaint that kondi's reaction test meant that he was scum, when it didn't. It just seemed over-the-top in response to the vote and the question: Why did you ask the question?

I agree with you about blue. She seemed scummy to me as well.
I don't really have much of an impression on Kondi or Panda though.

Now, the bolded part is what got me questioning you. It just seems to sincere and that your unsure of what your posting. Almost as if your scared to stand on anyone's toes. It just doesn't sit right with me.

I'm pretty sure deas is scum. Not exactly sure if it is with whiskers. Whiskers distanced herself right after I made the first accusation for both of you so that seems likely she is scum if you are scum.

I agree with you that I think Deas is scum but I don't agree that Whiskers is involved with him at all.

[Gen_Wolf]

Also, I get the feeling that Gen_Wolf may be trying a bit too hard to suspect me for different reasons from those used by sorgster.

I had a suspicion on you, I said that post didn't sit right with me and I bolded the areas where I thought were a bit out of place, you answered it and I thought you did quite well as well! I'm allowed to probe and ask questions and never did I sheep sorgster.

@Daes: Yes, I also said I thought you were scum but not scum buddies with Whiskers? What's wrong with saying that?

However, for now I give you the benefit of the doubt.

Unvote

Also recently, the same people are posting over and over: Whiskers, DLG, Daes, Sorgster... I think the others need to contribute a little more!

[Gen_Wolf]

Also, I get the feeling that Gen_Wolf may be trying a bit too hard to suspect me for different reasons from those used by sorgster.

I had a suspicion on you, I said that post didn't sit right with me and I bolded the areas where I thought were a bit out of place, you answered it and I thought you did quite well as well! I'm allowed to probe and ask questions and never did I sheep sorgster.

@Daes: Yes, I also said I thought you were scum but not scum buddies with Whiskers? What's wrong with saying that?

However, for now I give you the benefit of the doubt.

Unvote

Also recently, the same people are posting over and over: Whiskers, DLG, Daes, Sorgster... I think the others need to contribute a little more!

Unvote
Vote Gen_Wolf

As soon as pressure about sheeping is applied to you, you decide to ''unsheep''

So its ok when i'm voting with you but as soon as I take my vote off Deas I am now a sheep? Even though I was confronting him on completely different issues. Also, the fact that you justify your unvote on Deas by saying i'm sheeping is scum. Rather that do what I did and say that I was wrong and that my vote is no longer valid there because he answered the questions you now put it on me for some reason that doesn't exist!

You Mr Sorgster, just dug your own hole!

Vote: Sorgster

Also, justify your vote with a proper reason, not some bullshit of "unsheeping"

[Gen_Wolf]

I still like my vote on kondi, but I think this is better.

VOTE: GenWolf

Sorry, but who are you? Haven't had one incident relating to you the whole game but for some odd reason I am your number one scum... Alright then, provide a reason would be nice?

[Gen_Wolf]

I am on my phone atm, but wanted to catch up so I'm quoting posts that I want to respond to or comment on. In general, though, Gen Wolf had seemed to repeatedly mischaracterize other players' posts, which is why I asked if English was his first language. As he did not respond, I am going to act as though it is, and presume that there is a reasonable chance he is scum intentionally misrepresenting. Also he seems even weirder in response to my vote, as if because I haven't interacted with him I am not capable of having a read.

This also tells me that if Gen Wolf IS scum, he's probably not a team with kondi/newkondi because it send that he took my vote change personally, as if he could relax and not worry about me when I was voting kondi/newkondi, but not when I turned my attention t him.

blue: Why are you suspicious of gen_wolf and why are you suspicious of kondi?

Kondi is afraid of me, since I'm a damn good scum player and I'm a damn good town player in marethon games

And today you'll be a damn good lynch.

-- the only games kondi's competed with me in.
I'm a different player outside of marethon games, kondi.

Oh wait, no, we had a regular game together, didn't we...? Why don't you link it, so everypony can get up some meta on us.

What is with the drawn out, Hitchcock esque, dramatic storytelling here? You made this one post saying you didn't have games together, then switch personalities and say OH you did, then you tag that cliffhanger at the end about sharing meta. And this is page 1.

D_D

I'm sensing you are threatened by kondi's vote. Now what you want to do is turn the heat up and give others the impression she cannot be taken seriously. Or, perhaps, cannot be trusted. Yes? Yes? Let's see:

Hey kondi, why are you . . . .

I'll respect that we shouldn't bring ongoing games here, so there's the link in case anyone forgot what else was said here. The fear must be heightening by now because you're more than just a detective. You've turned into Batman now and pulled up external information on kondi. My my, looking for anything that sticks.. After the mod chin-checks you, you continue the drama queen behavior and rant. And this is page 2.

C_C

To me, this is too early in the game to let someone rile you up when they

should

have nothing concrete to use against you. I ask myself, why would Whiskers as a townie become this paranoid of kondi off the first post/vote against her.(?) Lastly, I get the feeling you're a try-hard. Who are you trying to impress here?

(LOLing @ Kiwi's post)

Why werewolves and not mafia? Could it be because you are actually mafia?

Mafia is too obvious!!

Holy shit why aren't we lynching this scumslip?!!!

Vote Yoyo

Kondis right.

How is Whiskers scum

is totally how scum would phrase it to blend in.

Is totally how scum would phrase it to sheep on to a wagon.

Out of all the things you could pick on, why pick on something as neutral as Panda's post? And by pick, I mean nitpick. I noticed you selectively chose to

only

comment on Panda and no one else. So now I'm wondering what your mission is, what with the selectiveness of your focus.

My first town lean is Princess Kiwi. Therefore I'm going to vote with her.

ThiS, DLG, THIS IS SHEEPING! WHY HAVE YOU IGNORED TJHIS LINE!?

I also like being scum.

This isn't an answer to anyone's question. Is this some kind of mind trick; Some kind of conditioning; Lamp shading, even???

kondi, pinkfloyd, and Fan read town at the moment. I'm flipping the page.

Who the hell are you?

Can you come a little closer? I can't hear you from way up here. I'm starting to rethink my position here.. as in, have I just been finding Whiskers obnoxious, or are my spider-senses on the money.(?)

Whiskers (3)

- FanFiction, YoYoGuy435, Kise

Gen_Wolf (3)

- Whiskers, sorgster, bluegingham

Good shit.

Actually, I'm running out to the store. I'll look at page 4+ when I return.

I still like my vote on kondi, but I think this is better.

VOTE: GenWolf

Sorry, but who are you? Haven't had one incident relating to you the whole game but for some odd reason I am your number one scum... Alright then, provide a reason would be nice?

once again, whiskers is just obnoxious, but town. everyone needs to get off that wagon lol.

Scumread on RedFF.

Yes, English is my first language and i'm sorry its not up to your standard! Secondly, you haven't really asked me anything so I can't defend it besides saying that I am town and when I flip town they will look back to who was tunneling in on me and you will come up!

[Gen_Wolf]

Also, can someone tell me what lynchbait is?

FanFiction:

What does Gen_Wolf fall into? He's not really a sheep.
What does RedFF fall into? He's not exactly lurking.

How about a little bit of fuck you! That's personal, it's so unnecessary and add's no value to the game.

Can you please grow up. Also, you then wonder why people /out of games when your playing.

[Gen_Wolf]

Add to the list, the stereotype of "bitch." (Not Gen_Wolf, sorry.)
Think Hiraki. Thing Empking. Think Parama. A player who, generally, active lurks, refuses to be protown, is aggressive in his unsupported reads. He seldom posts anything longer than one line. He is almost always an experienced player.

RedFF:

Who are you an alt of?

DP, sorry thats what i meant to quote

[Gen_Wolf]

Ok, so I've read over all the posts after coming in as a replacement. I need to read over them again because my head is spinning, but so far it looks like there are (at least) three scummy looking players: DLG, RedPanda, and Gen_Wolf.

I'd like to read over them again and post more details, but for now I just wanted to post this list of posts I found especially scummy:

DLG (25, 61, 92, 264, 282, 315, 324, 387)
RedPanda (52, 123, 166, 210, 277, 279)
Gen_Wolf (43, 88, 109, 280, 293, 359, 375, 376)

and give those three players a chance to defend themselves. And I'd like to ask bluegingham, Kise, and redFF if they could post short summaries of why they're voting for one of the above players. Everyone else should feel free to comment on these three possible scum as well, of course.

I'm with DLG here, point me to a specific post with a specific question and I'll happily answer it for you but i'm not going to write a long essay on why not to lynch me because you think overall i'm scummy. Ask away!

@Redpanda, it seems I completely missed something you asked me? What were you wanting me to look at?

[Gen_Wolf]

I'm more curious regarding Kise. I'm interested in how/why he voted Gen_Wolf, but spent the majority of his efforts towards attacking you, then me. He never put Gen_Wolf under any real scrutiny. Just said, "Gen_Wolf made a scum slip, vote Gen_Wolf, now back to Whiskers and/or DLG." That looks off to me.

I noticed that, I did ask him to ask a question or give me something so I could defend myself but never heard anything!

[Gen_Wolf]

What are the negatives? Someone mentioned here a non-mason/monk is more likely to be scum than masons and monks so scum can kill those instead.No one else was voting for Deas and there is about 4 days until deadline. I see one bandwagon other than mine. I'm certain I'll be dead night 1 so I'm hoping we kill scum now.

The negative is that a town/town Mason/Monk pairing has powerful potetntial. There is no doubt that in this set-up it is a double edged sword. But, the potential benefits outweigh the potential negatives.

An individual non-Mason/Monk has the same chance of being scum as an individual Mason/Monk. The pairings are more likely to be town/town than scum/town.

You seem to have misunderstood what I was saying in regards to DeasVail and Gen_Wolf. The current deadline is closer to 7 days than 4. What makes you think you'll be dead Night 1?

Yes, that is now correct, but I think I find gen_wolf more likely to be scum right now.

That is fair. I don't agree.

But, I do have a question for Gen_Wolf.

I noticed that, I did ask him to ask a question or give me something so I could defend myself but never heard anything!

No, you didn't. You asked Painted Face of Death for that. You said a similar kind of thing to bluegingham. You never even acknowledged Kise had voted for you, or said anything about his reason for doing it.

Why did you ignore one out of three attacks? Was there something to the attack you wanted to avoid drawing attention to?

@ Whiskers

Why the unvote?

I missed kise's case on me, I have no reason to defend two cases and miss the third!

Deas (not voting), redFF (doesn't appear to be voting..?):

meta.

Whiskers, DLG:

PR hunting.

Gen_Wolf:

saving his own ass since he's the other wagon.

FanFiction:

???

Yes, well, I don't want to be lynched.

[Gen_Wolf]

[quote="In post 316, Kise

Why werewolves and not mafia? Could it be because you are actually mafia?

Mafia is too obvious!!

Holy shit why aren't we lynching this scumslip?!!!

[/quote]

So kise, your whole case is based on a sarcastic joke made during RVS, well thats a strong case you got going?

[Gen_Wolf]

I missed kise's case on me, I have no reason to defend two cases and miss the third!

This I can believe given the way Kise hid his vote behind interactions with me and Whiskers.

Yes, well, I don't want to be lynched.

This I have issues with.

Gen_Wolf:

saving his own ass since he's the other wagon.

Your (Gen_Wolf's) vote on sorgster came way earlier than the sorgster wagon that developed over the Mason/Monk ordeal. It was back in Post #293.

Why do you act here as if Whiskers fairly represented your reason for being on the sorgster wagon?

What do you think of DeasVail's case on you?
What do you think of sorgster jumping on your wagon when he was under pressure?
What do you think of the RedPanda/me debate?

In short, who are your top suspects? Why? Why haven't you tried to generate any discussion?

I don't see why you have an issue with the fact I don't want to be lynched? Must i volenteer myself to be killed for the greater good? No, I genuinly don't want to be lynched! At no point did I think that Whiskers was representing me and at no point did I state that! I made a simple statement that I don't want to be lynched!

So my question is why are you saying things like this? Almost as if you are trying to put words in my mouth!

Gen_Wolf, A lot of people suspect you and I'm also considering changing my vote to you. I'd like to know what you have to say.

In terms of Deas, I think he has a fair point against me and I bought it upon myself. I suspected him, made a case and a weak one, from then I think he has been wary of me. However, at times he does have fair points but I also think he is trying a little hard at times making situations fit or over-convincing himself that I am scum. Also doing an ISO of Deas I feel that he is townie or pro-town.

@Deas, I think the only reason i came on to your radar was because of my weak case against you. I am a townie and you currently have your vote on me but I was protown trying to scum hunt (epicly failed).

I don't blame Sorgster jumping on the wagon, he is doing it to protect himself.

Haven't looked at the Panda/you debate, will give that a read after lunch and get back to you on that! Is that alright?

[Gen_Wolf]

In short, who are your top suspects? Why? Why haven't you tried to generate any discussion?

Missed this:

My top suspect is still Sorg, I feel he is scum hoping to lynch me to save his own skin. I've been a little busy but that is no excuse. I feel Deas and Whiskers are pro-town. Kise i'm also skeptical off purely because who bases a vote this late in the game on a sarcastic joke made in the RVS?

What are your thoughts on that?

[Gen_Wolf]

I don't see why you have an issue with the fact I don't want to be lynched? Must i volenteer myself to be killed for the greater good? No, I genuinly don't want to be lynched! At no point did I think that Whiskers was representing me and at no point did I state that! I made a simple statement that I don't want to be lynched!

So my question is why are you saying things like this? Almost as if you are trying to put words in my mouth!

I have no issue with you not wanting to be lynched. There is miscommunication between us here. I'll rephrase the question.

Whiskers supplied a reason you are on the sorgster wagon: self-peservation.
By my read, your vote on sorgster had absolutely nothing to do with self-preservation. You voted sorgster before the two leading wagons became you and sorgster. You supplied a reason at the time of your vote.
I did not mean to imply that Whiskers was acting as your spokesperson.

My question is why would you act as if Whiskers' characterization of your vote on sorgster was accurate? Is my read of events incorrect?

I don't blame Sorgster jumping on the wagon, he is doing it to protect himself.

My top suspect is still Sorg, I feel he is scum hoping to lynch me to save his own skin.

You don't blame him, but you feel as if he is scum for it?

I feel Deas and Whiskers are pro-town. Kise i'm also skeptical off purely because who bases a vote this late in the game on a sarcastic joke made in the RVS?

What are your thoughts on that?

I agree on Whiskers.
DeasVail I am not as clear on.
Kise, I would like to have more to judge by. My problem is not with Kise's vote or reason, but rather, why hide the vote and not scrutinize you more.

Sorry, I completely misinterpreted your question/statement. No, you are correct and like you said I was on Sorgster before the wagon appeared, however, I also panicked when the wagon appeared on me as I've never had a wagon on me before. As you have seen I have a slight problem of over reacting when someone asks me a question. I'm still in the mindset that a lot of questions means they must think i'm scum. I apologize!

Kise is also very quite so its hard to get much out of him, he hasn't said a lot recently so I can't give say much else on that.

@Panda, why are you side tracking the discussion? derailing discussion?

@FF so much more has happened than Raven and Panda having a lovers tiff! Can't you comment on something else that has happened?

[Gen_Wolf]

I'm going to drop the Hammer on Panda? Why you self voting?

Unvote: Vote RedPanda

[Gen_Wolf]

TEAM!!!! HOO HOO HOO!

Yea, Deas trying to tunnel me and he's the mafia goon!!!! Serves you right

Anyways, I want to hear more from blue now!!

[Gen_Wolf]

Why werewolves and not mafia? Could it be because you are actually mafia?

Mafia is too obvious!!

Haha, Deas nice try mate

[Gen_Wolf]

Sorry for double post! Will post actual content tonight when I get home!

[Gen_Wolf]

well that was a sexy night phase.

@Gen: doesn't mean you can't be wolf, don't know why you're so excited about it.

Something to think about: The Deas kill is an odd one--he wasn't by any means considered town.
It brings my attention back to Whiskers. People kept calling him and Deas buddies (which is now not the case), so perhaps he was attempting to show that this was not the case? Or maybe the wolves are just trollin'

If Gen_Wolf read as scummy for you at that time, the post makes

less

sense. If Gen_Wolf was acting scummy, you should have been

calling him on it

- not telling him how to look less scummy.

@FF: I didn't say it didn't make me scum, but I am allowed to celebrate Mafia's death? Didn't see anything wrong with that!

Don't you think it would be a little to obvious for Whiskers to coach me on how to look less scummy in the middle of the thread, if I was scum I personally wouldn't do that so in actual fact I would say it add's more town points the scumminess on the situation!

[Gen_Wolf]

@Whiskers: you aren't obvtown. You've never been obvtown. Idk why people thought you were. What you think about Packbat's case "MERMERMERITSSPECULATION" doesn't really matter if you can't defend yourself against it.

@Gen: Give me a situation in which town would coach.
I could see sorgster being coached, actually. Sorgster and whiskers as a team is highly likely.

I can't give you a reason where town would coach, but I also can't give you a reason why a wolves team would coach in the middle of the thread? It makes no sense what so ever? Unless I am completely missing something and you would like to explain what I am missing?

Why werewolves and not mafia? Could it be because you are actually mafia?

Mafia is too obvious!!

Haha, Deas nice try mate

What made you dust this quote off? Now that I can rule out you being mafia, even Deas may have caught on that you know who the werewolves are.

I don't know maybe the fact he accused me of being scum when he was? Yes because 43 posts in I know who the werewolves are?

[Gen_Wolf]

Vote: Gen_Wolf

I earlier suspected Red Panda, DLG, and Gen Wolf. I was right about RP but wrong about DLG, so now I'm going to go ahead and vote for my third scummy candidate.

I'm going to drop the Hammer on Panda? Why you self voting?

Unvote: Vote RedPanda

For one thing, he dropped the hammer. Granted RP was acting scummy as fuck and turned out to be scum, but remember that Werewolves don't know who the Mafia is, and they want the Mafia dead also. GW uses the "self voting" thing as an excuse, but waits till his vote would be the one to kill RP, and doesn't bother to ask RP for an explanation or press for a claim.

I don't see how you can use this as a tell? Yes, I dropped the hammer but only because I felt it was needed, and like you said Red played as scum as you can get and I might a good decision to drop the hammer! It's not an excuse, anyone who self-votes in my opinion is trying to end the day quicker because they have dug their own hole so deep its a mountain to climb out of.

Before I post I'm going to UNVOTE: Whiskers since she's at L-1. I'm not comfortable with any quick-lynches yet, especially before I'm fully caught up again. That wagon formed

way

to quickly for my liking. Reading through now.

Your vote wasn't on Whiskers???????????? Hmmm Your playing a different game to us Princess Kiwi! How could you forget who you vote for??

@Whiskers: Your trying too hard! Your sending the accusations out and your trying to get people to look in the direction you point! I don't like that, I will look where I want to look and decide who I want to follow and vote for and anything else if it comes to it! You said you like being in control and I don't want you to be in control because I don't trust you!

Also lying is bad!!

This somewhat manic post is what first brought GW to my attention. I just don't know what to make of the bizarre ranting and defensiveness, but it seemed scummy.

You can't make anything of it but there is nothing to make of it? You can't just pull quotes and say 'its looks scummy but I dont know why'

Also, I get the feeling that Gen_Wolf may be trying a bit too hard to suspect me for different reasons from those used by sorgster.

I had a suspicion on you, I said that post didn't sit right with me and I bolded the areas where I thought were a bit out of place, you answered it and I thought you did quite well as well! I'm allowed to probe and ask questions and never did I sheep sorgster.

@Daes: Yes, I also said I thought you were scum but not scum buddies with Whiskers? What's wrong with saying that?

However, for now I give you the benefit of the doubt.

Unvote

Also recently, the same people are posting over and over: Whiskers, DLG, Daes, Sorgster... I think the others need to contribute a little more!

Unvote
Vote Gen_Wolf

As soon as pressure about sheeping is applied to you, you decide to ''unsheep''

So its ok when i'm voting with you but as soon as I take my vote off Deas I am now a sheep? Even though I was confronting him on completely different issues. Also, the fact that you justify your unvote on Deas by saying i'm sheeping is scum. Rather that do what I did and say that I was wrong and that my vote is no longer valid there because he answered the questions you now put it on me for some reason that doesn't exist!

You Mr Sorgster, just dug your own hole!

Vote: Sorgster

Also, justify your vote with a proper reason, not some bullshit of "unsheeping"

As Sorgster points out, GW is being very touchy here, voting for DV when pressed, then unvoting him when pressed. GW's response is very odd, sort of a "yeah it's scummy but you did it too, so I'm gonna OMGUS you" response.

In fairness, I did play that badly but I was also right about Deas being scum so there again should be +town points? I don't see how my scum hunting that turned out right can now be seen as scum?

Sorry, I completely misinterpreted your question/statement. No, you are correct and like you said I was on Sorgster before the wagon appeared, however, I also panicked when the wagon appeared on me as I've never had a wagon on me before. As you have seen I have a slight problem of over reacting when someone asks me a question.

Yeah, the panicking/overreacting is noticeable and this is a pretty weak defense

I did overreact, I can't change that and I admit it.

However, all in all, I think you have a pretty weak case on me and need something more substantial than that. I don't mind answering your questions but make them decent ones.

I earlier suspected Red Panda, DLG, and Gen Wolf. I was right about RP but wrong about DLG, so now I'm going to go ahead and vote for my third scummy candidate.

Are you happy with a 33% lynch rate, I wouldn't be to be honest but thats what will happen if you lynch me.

[Gen_Wolf]

Vote: Gen_Wolf

I earlier suspected Red Panda, DLG, and Gen Wolf. I was right about RP but wrong about DLG, so now I'm going to go ahead and vote for my third scummy candidate.

I'm going to drop the Hammer on Panda? Why you self voting?

Unvote: Vote RedPanda

For one thing, he dropped the hammer. Granted RP was acting scummy as fuck and turned out to be scum, but remember that Werewolves don't know who the Mafia is, and they want the Mafia dead also. GW uses the "self voting" thing as an excuse, but waits till his vote would be the one to kill RP, and doesn't bother to ask RP for an explanation or press for a claim.

I don't see how you can use this as a tell? Yes, I dropped the hammer but only because I felt it was needed, and like you said Red played as scum as you can get and I might a good decision to drop the hammer! It's not an excuse, anyone who self-votes in my opinion is trying to end the day quicker because they have dug their own hole so deep its a mountain to climb out of.

Your vote wasn't on Whiskers???????????? Hmmm Your playing a different game to us Princess Kiwi! How could you forget who you vote for??

@Whiskers: Your trying too hard! Your sending the accusations out and your trying to get people to look in the direction you point! I don't like that, I will look where I want to look and decide who I want to follow and vote for and anything else if it comes to it! You said you like being in control and I don't want you to be in control because I don't trust you!

Also lying is bad!!

This somewhat manic post is what first brought GW to my attention. I just don't know what to make of the bizarre ranting and defensiveness, but it seemed scummy.

You can't make anything of it but there is nothing to make of it? You can't just pull quotes and say 'its looks scummy but I dont know why'

Also, I get the feeling that Gen_Wolf may be trying a bit too hard to suspect me for different reasons from those used by sorgster.

I had a suspicion on you, I said that post didn't sit right with me and I bolded the areas where I thought were a bit out of place, you answered it and I thought you did quite well as well! I'm allowed to probe and ask questions and never did I sheep sorgster.

@Daes: Yes, I also said I thought you were scum but not scum buddies with Whiskers? What's wrong with saying that?

However, for now I give you the benefit of the doubt.

Unvote

Also recently, the same people are posting over and over: Whiskers, DLG, Daes, Sorgster... I think the others need to contribute a little more!

Unvote
Vote Gen_Wolf

As soon as pressure about sheeping is applied to you, you decide to ''unsheep''

So its ok when i'm voting with you but as soon as I take my vote off Deas I am now a sheep? Even though I was confronting him on completely different issues. Also, the fact that you justify your unvote on Deas by saying i'm sheeping is scum. Rather that do what I did and say that I was wrong and that my vote is no longer valid there because he answered the questions you now put it on me for some reason that doesn't exist!

You Mr Sorgster, just dug your own hole!

Vote: Sorgster

Also, justify your vote with a proper reason, not some bullshit of "unsheeping"

As Sorgster points out, GW is being very touchy here, voting for DV when pressed, then unvoting him when pressed. GW's response is very odd, sort of a "yeah it's scummy but you did it too, so I'm gonna OMGUS you" response.

In fairness, I did play that badly but I was also right about Deas being scum so there again should be +town points? I don't see how my scum hunting that turned out right can now be seen as scum?

Sorry, I completely misinterpreted your question/statement. No, you are correct and like you said I was on Sorgster before the wagon appeared, however, I also panicked when the wagon appeared on me as I've never had a wagon on me before. As you have seen I have a slight problem of over reacting when someone asks me a question.

Yeah, the panicking/overreacting is noticeable and this is a pretty weak defense

I did overreact, I can't change that and I admit it.

However, all in all, I think you have a pretty weak case on me and need something more substantial than that. I don't mind answering your questions but make them decent ones.

I earlier suspected Red Panda, DLG, and Gen Wolf. I was right about RP but wrong about DLG, so now I'm going to go ahead and vote for my third scummy candidate.

Are you happy with a 33% lynch rate, I wouldn't be to be honest but thats what will happen if you lynch me.[/quote]

Sorry about the last post as I answered within the quote so I reposted and bolded my responses

Sorry

Edit: and then it gave me some error about only embeding a certain amount of posts so this might epic fail but worth a try

[Gen_Wolf]

Where's the vote? Shouldn't there be a vote in that post?

Why?

[Gen_Wolf]

Where's the vote? Shouldn't there be a vote in that post?

Why?

I suppose I'll answer this and the game will start going again.

You made a big long post and bitched about some stuff. All the times before that, you threw out a bad vote at the end of it. The, "Shouldn't there be a vote in that post?" bit is a slam on you.

It's like the tutoring-- in this case, you're being inconsistant.

Also, that post took a slightly different tone to it... apologetic, almost. Like you're not trying to defend yourself so hard anymore and be agressive (which was what I was tutoring you about before), But you're trying to be friendly now.

Well, i'm trying to learn?

Clearly I made the wrong decision and this is where I am meant to vote right?

@Pat: I would say its the other way around, I was nervous at the beginning, hence the aggression, now i'm settling in so i'm not to worried if I make a mistake or say something I feel as I can talk about it now rather than have every person and their mother tunnel on me.

[Gen_Wolf]

Vote Gen_Wolf

Either him or whiskers is my lynch choice of this day phase.

What did i do now?

[Gen_Wolf]

On the contrary, Painted's post comes from someone that's up to date on things but is playing as if only day 2 is worth commenting on. A parked vote on Wolf actually makes me less hasty to suspect Wolf.

I pulled a Whiskers and did some external research, seeing that Painted is giving a helluva lot more attention to another game. Painted's tone here is of someone keeping up with the game, despite their minimal/selective commentary.

Yeah, that's a fair and accurate criticism and I'm sorry. Remember I replaced in towards the end of Day 1 and so I'm a lot more familiar with the most recent half of the game. Jumping in was confusing especially with all the replacements, and I haven't been posting as much as I have in the other game I'm playing. I try to keep up to date on the thread though.

Why haven't you been posting as much in this game as you are in others? Is it not that important to you? You accuse me and then don't contribute to discussion!

Ahh you deserve a vote from me.

Painted face of death

[Gen_Wolf]

Vote: Painted face of death

it's 9 a.m here and i still haven't had my coffee... sorry about the error!

[Gen_Wolf]

@Mod: V/LA Till monday

[Gen_Wolf]

More importantly, what kind of slip?
This sounds kind of like, who was it, kondi? who did stuff and then said it was a reaction test.

MORE importantly, did I slip?
I'm guessing not, since you just unvoted me.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, why were you trying to make ME slip?
Were you suspicious of me? Why? for how long have you been suspicious of me?

Since I didn't slip, where do I go in your reads?
I don't trust this at all.
Who do you

REALLY,

if I didn't slip?

How about the link with Packbat?

If it was weak, why did you push it? Wouldn't scum have just seen right through it and shot it down? Therefore, I can't really be cleared to you either.

Vote; sorgster.

Why should mafia kill other mafia? It sets them up for a situation where there's 2 scum vs 8 town, in this case, and they can make links in places where they couldn't normally if there's another scumteam, and there's no reason, early in the game, for scum to shoot scum.

It makes better sense to eliminate good townies, then lead the bad townies to lynch the other scum.

^Answer this and give me your real reads with a real case.

The kind of slip that would change your defence or make you contradict yourself which was why it was pushed. I would try to make you slip because I believe you to be scum. And no you aren't cleared to me. You are just null currently. Kise seems scummy to me currently. What do you mean about the link with packbat? I'm not going to forget gen_wolf either. He seems to be lurkerish currently.

At the bolded part, they should kill other mafia to avoid being nightkilled.

The bolded part sounds to me as if you are saying you wanted to kill deas as he seemed like a good townie to you.

Ok, so your case on Whiskers has just been an absolute failure. You then try taking the heat off yourself by immediately saying "I'm not going to forget gen_wolf either. He seems to be lurkerish currently."

Well Sorg, if you read correctly I have been on V/LA until today. Anyways, right now you seem like your a scum motivated player who has got themselves in the spot light and just keep digging your hole! Your case against Whiskers was weak and apparently you knew it yet carried on pushing it? That makes a lot of sense.

As for Packbat, I am unsure on...

@Painted, doesn't seem to have added a lot of value, he went a bit quite after putting himself in the spot light so early.

[Gen_Wolf]

Ok, so your case on Whiskers has just been an absolute failure. You then try taking the heat off yourself by immediately saying "I'm not going to forget gen_wolf either. He seems to be lurkerish currently."

Well Sorg, if you read correctly I have been on V/LA until today. Anyways, right now you seem like your a scum motivated player who has got themselves in the spot light and just keep digging your hole! Your case against Whiskers was weak and apparently you knew it yet carried on pushing it? That makes a lot of sense.

This is his last post.

Watch, as GW posts in his other game, but not in here.

That said, "Nevermind," because

Unvote: Kise,
Revote: Sorgster

Let's see your great suspicious case and stuff on lurking Gen, who'd been on V/LA.

What do you want me to say? I have nothing of content to post? I read the game and note things and when I have enough I post? I've always done that and I do it with all games. If you have a problem deal with it

[Gen_Wolf]

Sorgster... He is making a lot of noise but not a lot of sense...
Leaning scummy he is, but then the thing that makes me think no is why would he stick his neck out so far, I think his gambit is just that! A gambit... Complete bollocks and an excuse for him playing so badly on day 1! He know's he played badly but rather than shrugs it off he comes up with that.

No, you are wrong. I voted him because he came in guns blazing, accused everyone and their mother and once a little bit of pressure and a few votes got thrown on him he kept quite and didn't speak up. This is not hypocritical as I don't accuse everyone and their mother and then keep quite for days on end. I make my point, answer questions where necessary and then follow the game!

[Gen_Wolf]

Sorgster... He is making a lot of noise but not a lot of sense...
Leaning scummy he is, but then the thing that makes me think why would he stick his neck out so far so early? I think his gambit is just that! A gambit... Complete bollocks and an excuse for him playing so badly on day 1! He know's he played badly but rather than accept it and shrug it off he comes up with that.

No, you are wrong. I voted him because he came in guns blazing, accused everyone and their mother and once a little bit of pressure and a few votes got thrown on him he kept quite and didn't speak up. This is not hypocritical as I don't accuse everyone and their mother and then keep quite for days on end. I make my point, answer questions where necessary and then follow the game!

Sorry some broken english there that I fixed...

Whiskers, your changing your vote more than a women changes her mind! Whats with all the vote hopping?

[Gen_Wolf]

Ok, so I've read over all the posts after coming in as a replacement. I need to read over them again because my head is spinning, but so far it looks like there are (at least) three scummy looking players: DLG, RedPanda, and Gen_Wolf.

I'd like to read over them again and post more details, but for now I just wanted to post this list of posts I found especially scummy:

DLG (25, 61, 92, 264, 282, 315, 324, 387)
RedPanda (52, 123, 166, 210, 277, 279)
Gen_Wolf (43, 88, 109, 280, 293, 359, 375, 376)

and give those three players a chance to defend themselves. And I'd like to ask bluegingham, Kise, and redFF if they could post short summaries of why they're voting for one of the above players. Everyone else should feel free to comment on these three possible scum as well, of course.

Painted: These are my thoughts,

DLG: He hasn't come across as scummy to me. Kind of leaning town for me I guess. Please do explain your suspicion though.

Ok, as requested I'm going to go through the "scummy" posts I pointed out earlier. For DLG they are ISO # 0, 3, 6, 16, 19, 21, 22, 25. I know that a lot of this has been pointed out earlier but I wasn't there at the time so there will probably be some repetition.

0:

VOTE: bluegingham
Might as well experience being waggoned, too.

This is early in the random voting stage, so it doesn't mean much, but the snarky comment is a good excuse to start an early wagon while leaving room for the old "it was just a joke in the random phase so it doesn't mean anything" gambit.

Vote Yoyo

Kondis right.

How is Whiskers scum

is totally how scum would phrase it to blend in.

Is totally how scum would phrase it to sheep on to a wagon.

UNVOTE: Gen_Wolf

VOTE: RedPanda

That kind of reaction, DeasVail.

This is what first caught my attention and I know it's been commented on before, but the hypocrisy here just said scum.

This is assinine.

Princess Kiwi, your vote was

never

on Whiskers, as Gen_Wolf pointed out correctly.

sorgster and Princess Kiwi, it takes

7

votes to lynch someone. No one has more than 3 by my count. Stop with the "quicklynch

bad

" line, unless we are actually near that point.

All this scrambling

WILL NOT

distract from the fact that Whiskers lied and FanFiction ignored it. FanFiction is the player who should have jumped on Whiskers for it, because FanFiction included commentary on Wiskers' FoS of me as part of his (FanFiction's) attack on Whiskers.

Other players should have seen it, too. But, FanFiction was giving an impression of going after Whiskers. Would any townie allow a suspect to lie in answer to them and then ignore it?

I want answers.

Making a huge deal about Whiskers forgetting a minor FoS, mischaracterized as a "lie." And what do we do to liars? Also encouraging quick lynches by criticizing people who warn about caution.

DLG, what makes you change your vote from FanFiction to YoYo? Why do you suspect YoYo and do you still suspect FanFiction?

I already found YoYoGuy435 suspicious here. After reading through after being gone myself, I found he popped in again with a quick little vote post. I think it is scummy to post suspicions and votes while under the nominal protection of V/LA.

I do still suspect FanFiction. I think my original points still stand. However, I won't refrain from looking at other players, too. YoYoGuy435's play was worth a vote, and I've only got the one.

@ Sorgster
Why did DeasVail have to ask you to post those examples?

I'd like an answer to this, Sorgster.

This has been pointed out already also, but using someone's limited access to hammer them for making a post while on V/LA is pretty scummy. Not to mention repeatedly going after Sorg for fishing, then posting examples when asked.

I Totally understand that. But your reasons for finding me scummy were that i sheeped on to someone (who you didnt have a read on.)
but i didn't and I've shown that i found him genuinely scummy. Im not asking you to say im town. Shouldn't that read of yours be null?

And Also your still assuming i think you are town which you shouldn't be doing Because I'm going in a whole different direction.

Sure, you gave an explanation,

after

you were called out for sheeping. But, you can't unring a bell.

And, when I want your input on what my reads

should

be, I'll ask for it.

Your stern warning is duly noted. I tremble with fear of the terrible wrath that may yet ensue should I fail to heed it.

This seemed like an overreaction. I don't see why he didn't take RP at his word.

Because I didn't put them before and he didn't realize he was buddying so much to whiskers.

Ah, so would I be wrong to interpret this as you saying you were just trying to warn your scum partner under the guise of a vote to bring his attention to it?

blue: Why are you suspicious of gen_wolf and why are you suspicious of kondi?

I agree, why?
Also, now that Kise (who replaced Princess Kiwi) has moved that slot's vote to the one wagon you disapproved of, do you still have the same town read on that slot?

@Whoever is saying they feel like I'm taking advantage of V/LA status: If I remember right, the LA part of V/LA stands for limited access which I've had. I haven't had the time to make posts and I'm gonna be off of V/LA tomorrow which leaves you plenty of time to lynch me if you still think I'm scummy.

That was me saying that.

It is not that you haven't made posts while on V/LA that bothers me. In fact, it is just the opposite. In particular, the two posts you made, for reasons already stated. Your objection to me attacking you while on V/LA simply reinforces my point that you were taking advantage of the customary protection afforded to those on V/LA.

"When did you stop beating your wife?" That wasn't what sorg said at all, and he's trying to twist it around.
Also the whole V/LA thing... backpedaling on this and then using it again.

Out of all the things you could pick on, why pick on something as neutral as Panda's post? And by pick, I mean nitpick. I noticed you selectively chose to

only

comment on Panda and no one else. So now I'm wondering what your mission is, what with the selectiveness of your focus.

Is it really selective focus if only the one player had done it, to that point?

ThiS, DLG, THIS IS SHEEPING! WHY HAVE YOU IGNORED TJHIS LINE!?

Because, by the time I posted again, three people had already asked about it. When it went unanswered by bluegingham, for the next however many pages, I brought it back up. I'm sure you'll get there in your stylized stream-of-consciousness catch up. For a hint, see Page 6, Post #144.

Point.

and

Oh, you mean because DLG skipped this while pointing out RedPanda and calling it sheeping.

Nope, not a point, at all. What it was, was a neat little attempt to pigeonhole me by referencing old posts that no one is likely to bother looking up the context surrounding them. It looks really neat, for a repalcement to come in and point out something everyone else missed. Even supplied the quotes to save everyone else the hassle of going back there.

So, Kise, why the subtle little smear campaign?
And, who were you saying hi to?

All somewhat nonresponsive answers and subtle twisting of words, again.

his

(YoYoGuy435)

other posts are just a load of nothing, but we should wait for his replacement before lynching him.

Why wait to lynch that slot? If YoYoGuy435 earned a lynch through his play, why wait for a replacement to muddy up the read?

@ redFF
Is it just your habit to ignore questions other players ask you?

@ Packbat
How does it feel to replace into a scum slot?

And I'm not in the mood to rtft. It depends on my appetite. Maybe I'll just play it from pages 1-3 & 13 onwards. And we'll see how much I fuck up reads.
Ó_Ò

Hopefully I get off my ass and read tomorrow.

Not hungry enough to read this at the moment. But tomorrow, dog. Tomorrow.

Wow, you're just too cool for school, ain'tcha? Why the attempted preemptive dismissal of what I had to say back to you?

Scattershot aggression and defensiveness. It just smells scummy to me.

In my review so far, DLG stood out as the most scummy, and I'll elaborate on some of the above. There's also the recent posting where he tried to paint sorg as scum for saying "we" when there was no reason to think that. Not to mention the whole "I'm not going to respond to your comment that posts X, Y, Z seem scummy, ask specific questions" defensiveness which seemed odd.

So if I had to vote right now, it would be for DLG. There are (at least) two other people who stood out though and I'll go over them as well. Apologies if I've missed something or gotten confused... still trying to figure this game out.

Vote: Gen_Wolf

I earlier suspected Red Panda, DLG, and Gen Wolf. I was right about RP but wrong about DLG, so now I'm going to go ahead and vote for my third scummy candidate.

I'm going to drop the Hammer on Panda? Why you self voting?

Unvote: Vote RedPanda

For one thing, he dropped the hammer. Granted RP was acting scummy as fuck and turned out to be scum, but remember that Werewolves don't know who the Mafia is, and they want the Mafia dead also. GW uses the "self voting" thing as an excuse, but waits till his vote would be the one to kill RP, and doesn't bother to ask RP for an explanation or press for a claim.

Before I post I'm going to UNVOTE: Whiskers since she's at L-1. I'm not comfortable with any quick-lynches yet, especially before I'm fully caught up again. That wagon formed

way

to quickly for my liking. Reading through now.

Your vote wasn't on Whiskers???????????? Hmmm Your playing a different game to us Princess Kiwi! How could you forget who you vote for??

@Whiskers: Your trying too hard! Your sending the accusations out and your trying to get people to look in the direction you point! I don't like that, I will look where I want to look and decide who I want to follow and vote for and anything else if it comes to it! You said you like being in control and I don't want you to be in control because I don't trust you!

Also lying is bad!!

This somewhat manic post is what first brought GW to my attention. I just don't know what to make of the bizarre ranting and defensiveness, but it seemed scummy.

Also, I get the feeling that Gen_Wolf may be trying a bit too hard to suspect me for different reasons from those used by sorgster.

I had a suspicion on you, I said that post didn't sit right with me and I bolded the areas where I thought were a bit out of place, you answered it and I thought you did quite well as well! I'm allowed to probe and ask questions and never did I sheep sorgster.

@Daes: Yes, I also said I thought you were scum but not scum buddies with Whiskers? What's wrong with saying that?

However, for now I give you the benefit of the doubt.

Unvote

Also recently, the same people are posting over and over: Whiskers, DLG, Daes, Sorgster... I think the others need to contribute a little more!

Unvote
Vote Gen_Wolf

As soon as pressure about sheeping is applied to you, you decide to ''unsheep''

So its ok when i'm voting with you but as soon as I take my vote off Deas I am now a sheep? Even though I was confronting him on completely different issues. Also, the fact that you justify your unvote on Deas by saying i'm sheeping is scum. Rather that do what I did and say that I was wrong and that my vote is no longer valid there because he answered the questions you now put it on me for some reason that doesn't exist!

You Mr Sorgster, just dug your own hole!

Vote: Sorgster

Also, justify your vote with a proper reason, not some bullshit of "unsheeping"

As Sorgster points out, GW is being very touchy here, voting for DV when pressed, then unvoting him when pressed. GW's response is very odd, sort of a "yeah it's scummy but you did it too, so I'm gonna OMGUS you" response.

Sorry, I completely misinterpreted your question/statement. No, you are correct and like you said I was on Sorgster before the wagon appeared, however, I also panicked when the wagon appeared on me as I've never had a wagon on me before. As you have seen I have a slight problem of over reacting when someone asks me a question.

Yeah, the panicking/overreacting is noticeable and this is a pretty weak defense

[Gen_Wolf]

@Whiskers: Whats your actual reason for voting Pack? The constant vote change, his suspicion on you or are there lots of contributing factors?

[Gen_Wolf]

RedFF scared him off!!!!

[Gen_Wolf]

Welcome Adel...

I think scum is among the non-posters? but thats just me making a very stupid assumption

PEdit: carry on as were...

[Gen_Wolf]

Just a thought that, town is fighting town and they are lurking about watching us bully each other into a lynch with a minor post every now and then to make themselves 'active'?

I hate to use the word lurking as you called me out on it earlier, but thats my playstyle rather than a once off for me being scummy... But I always see the same people voting

Whiskers
Packbat
posting the most

followed by
Kise
Sorgster (sorta)
Me

Don't know if this is coming across alright, its not the best explanation out there but just a thought?
Those who arn't listed could be scum watching in and letting us knock each other off?

[Gen_Wolf]

so what I mean is I wouldn't be suprised if there is a scum lurking amongst these three:

RedFF
FF
zMuffinMan

[Gen_Wolf]

@genwolf

ok... assuming this isn't just your way of lazily skating by without having to give a real opinion, do you have a reason for thinking there could be 'a scum' lurking?

is it that you find one of those three names particularly scummy or just that it's a possibility and therefore... something something...?

are you putting the idea out there for any particular reason? do you want to lynch one of those three?

why did you leave out painted and raven's slot?

Says the guy who has barely posted in this game and hasn't contributed all that much... #Hypocrit much

Moving on, No I have no solid evidence in thinking that scum could be doing this but it was just a train of thought? Do you have an issue with me putting my ideas out there?

I think, Fanfiction is the scummiest of the lot, it doesn't help him that completely ignorned my hypothesis, but it is just a "And therefore... something something...?" as you put it...

I'm putting it out there for discussion sake, to see what other townies impressions on the thought was and whether i'm chasing air or if it is a possibility, I wouldn't be upset with lynching one of those three but only if I genuinly thought they were scum!

I left Raven and Painted out as Raven has just been replaced, and I wouldn't be suprised if painted gets replaced soon so will base it on there replacements rather than them as they were just a waste of time...

[Gen_Wolf]

I feel Sorg being scum... He keeps trying to tunnel in on people including me and then wants to base his next vote (yes he is thinking a head) on the outcome of the flip today... Which is just setting him self up for tomorrow so he can refer back today and be like "O look, i said if whiskers flips town that Wolf would be scum" (Hypothetical scenario) so he is my scum person

Unvote: Vote: Sorg

[Gen_Wolf]

Yes, I called Fanfiction "Scummiest of the lot" because he just completely ignored my hypothesis where I was implicating him as scum...

Infact, I was in the wrong and he did reply to it but I had missed it... Thus I never publicly retracted my comment so I will now!

Sorry FF, I thought you hadn't replied when you had...

Also, I didn't know putting someone I think is scummy at L-2 was a crime, shall I take away my vote because your scumbuddy is better at L-3 than at L-2?

[Gen_Wolf]

I feel Sorg being scum... He keeps trying to tunnel in on people including me and then wants to base his next vote (yes he is thinking a head) on the outcome of the flip today... Which is just setting him self up for tomorrow so he can refer back today and be like "O look, i said if whiskers flips town that Wolf would be scum" (Hypothetical scenario) so he is my scum person

Unvote: Vote: Sorg

Whats wrong with this reason?

[Gen_Wolf]

Vote Gen_Wolf

Gen_Wolf I've found you scummy from the start and that is a horrible reason to vote. According to you I'm planning to get someone lynched next day phase.

Do i smell a OMGUS... if my reasoning is bad, yours is worse...

But if I must explain, you are going to base your vote tomorrow on how one flips today based on scum and town... That is completely idiotic, IMO, because this will cause more harm on town than good.

[Gen_Wolf]

I feel Sorg being scum... He keeps trying to tunnel in on people including me and then wants to base his next vote (yes he is thinking a head) on the outcome of the flip today... Which is just setting him self up for tomorrow so he can refer back today and be like "O look, i said if whiskers flips town that Wolf would be scum" (Hypothetical scenario) so he is my scum person

Unvote: Vote: Sorg

Whats wrong with this reason?

Taken by itself, not much. What's wrong with it is that this sort of reasoning

should

have been in the immediately prior post, if sorgster was genuinely among your top suspects.

Why? WHY WHY WHY!?!?!?

His "immediately prior post" didn't have any read on sorgster included. The "immediately prior post" was

answering a question asked to him by zMuffinMan,

a question that

wasn't about sorgster.

This is a bad reason. I am now confident that Gen_Wolf is 100% town. I will not vote for him under any circumstances for the rest of the game.

I had started ISOing Princess Kiwi/Kise yesterday; I'll ISO Gen_Wolf today. (Normally I would vote after ISOing, but we're nearly at deadline, here.)

Are you gonna actually, you know,

POST

your iso analysis? I don't recall having seen one yet.

I ended up taking a mental health day today - I haven't even finished scanning Pri/Kise's ISO. I'm only online right now to deal with my mod duties.

Great! That's nice. We'll give you that Day off, that's fine. What I'm

complaining

about is that you haven't posted an ISO yet, to my knowledge, but you keep looking like you're doing something, and I haven't seen any evidence of it! "OH MAN, LOOK AT HOW GREAT MY ISOS ARE AND I DO 10 ISOS EVERY DAY DOES MY HEART GOOD AND OH BOY AREN'T I SO TOWN FOR DOING ALL THESE ISOS?" GREAT. TELL ME WHEN YOU HAVE A PRODUCT TO SHARE. THEN, YOU CAN SHOW YOUR WORK. Get a piece of chalk, Packbat, you're writing this ISO of yours on the blackboard.

Packbat... The fact that the only thing you have against me is that I didn't put my thoughts and read on Sorg in a post I posted earlier is weak, and actually draws my suspicion to you!

@Whiskers... Merci!

My vote stands, No I don't think both Sorg and FF are werewolf team but I would be pretty surprised if none of them were!

[Gen_Wolf]

Yeah, Packbat and Sorgster are scum. I'm waiting for another vote on Sorgster before

~mumble mumble~

.



Caught, caught, I'm so fly. I can't help rejoicing, I'm usually not this good-- sorry, that's not true. I'm usually this good but usually it makes no difference. This isn't goodplay from me, this is badplay from scum. I'm sorry, scum, the dice gods fucked y'all, noobs everywhere. I wish I could take credit for this, but I can't.

Whiskers, if both Pack and Sorg are wolves why would they both tunnel on me and vote me? Wouldn't that be suspicious when I flip town?

[Gen_Wolf]

I don't want to no lynch... I want sorg!!!

[Gen_Wolf]

V:LA till monday

gutted I will miss deadline, I will be followinng on my phone so can vote if need be but won't post much at all!