Open 317 Masons & Monks (Game Over) Finished: September 8

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Hi! Anything important I should know right away?

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OK, so 2 of the following are mafia:
andrew94
zMuffinMan
Guido Crescendo
Scott Brosius
Cirno

And 1 of the following is a werewolf:
andrew94
Scott Brosius
DeityKabuto
Cirno

Right?

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Mist:

You forgot about me.

I promise to read this evening.

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I'm going to try a bit of VCA first. Since I think you guys have said it's best to lynch mafia today (I feel like DK is werewolf), I'm going to treat Blackberry and DK, the mason, as town.

DeityKabuto - 4 - (CSL, Guido Crescendo, Fighting Shadow,

Chevre

)

Guido Crescendo - 6 - (

Darkcoffeejazz

,

VitaminR

,

Tomie Uzumaki

, Cirno,

BlackBerry

, Scott Brosius)

Darkcoffeejazz - 7 - (

BlackBerry

, Guido Crescendo, Scott Brosius,

DeityKabuto

,

cjdrum

, smallpeoples343,

Darkcoffeejazz

)

Descent - 5 - (Guido Crescendo,

Thor

, Scott Brosius,

cjdrum

, Cirno)

Scott looks the worst from this, I think. He (or Fighting Shadow, whom he replaced) has been on all four major wagons, including the Guido wagon, which has all but 2 confirmed non-mafia. Cirno also was on the Guido wagon, and Guido was on the 3 wagons that weren't him.

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VOTE: Scott Brosius

More later.

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I was thinking about something. Even if we lynch mafia today, we're still relying on crosskills.

2:1:4 (current)
1:1:4 (mafia lynch)
1:1:2 (two townies killed)
0:1:2 (scum lynch)
1:1 (scum kill, and game over)

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No.

If we lynch mafia, and two townies die tonight, then a townie volunteers themself for the lynch tomorrow. That is optimal play.

Yeah, I know, but then it will be 1:1:1, and we would only win if both scum shoot each other.

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Here are my reads right now:

Town

zMuffinMan- SmallPeoples didn't look very good, but I think he's just stupid. Muffin has made some good points here and here.
Guido Crescendo- They haven't really given off any strong town tells, but nothing scummy, either. I didn't find either of their "slips" valid.
Cirno- She had plenty of sincere scumhunting early in the game (too lazy to look up the exact posts).

Werewolf

DeityKabuto- Most of this has been said already, but his confusion about Guido's (I think) role makes sense from someone who is a mason werewolf. Plus, there is the "fellow scum" thing. And both of these quotes from Blackberry make me think that they're buddies:

#108 - Good point that he agrees with the bandwagoning on Deity... bad point is his comment about RVS seems off to me and something scummy-ish. If Deity did turn up scum, my bet is he is the partner...

Also, my thoughts on Deity is that he/she was very confused or trying to pull something, NOT something mafia/werewolves would do at all, IMO. Although I'm not really sure what Deity was trying to do X_x.

The first reads like setting up the lynch of a townie if his partner flips scum, and the second is a somewhat awkward defense.

Mafia

andrew94- I didn't like the way Yank pushed his case on SmallPeoples. For example, here he asks a question where either answer would result in an accusation of OMGUS. Also, he seemed to be trying to make sure his vote was "safe". That is, while he also said Small was scummy, he almost seemed to be trying tolook pro-town with his vote rather than convinced he'd found scum:

Guido: wat? I'm voting smallpeoples because he's lurking. If anything he should be included in your list. VitaminR was afk for a while but I want to see what his re-read brings.

Guido: I'm pressuring smallpeoples into posting analysis because at this rate he's going to active lurk his way into the endgame.

Scott Brosius- Hmm...I still find him scummy from the VCA. This vote when he replaced in

does

seem like blatant bandwagoning, but on the other hand, I know the feeling of just wanting a flip. Then again, I'm not sure how he would already be sick of the game on his second post.

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UNVOTE: Scott
VOTE: andrew94

Overall, I'm more confident in this.

Andrew is at L-1.

errr nice assumption

unvote vote guido

Do you find his assumption scummy? If so, why?

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i found him scummy before he made the assumption.
so your case on me is about yanks?

Yes, pretty much.

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My vote will probably be on Scott, but I'll try to do more thorough analysis as soon as I can.

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My vote will probably be on Scott, but I'll try to do more thorough analysis as soon as I can.

Is this only case here that I've been on wagons? Why choose me over GC if that is true (given that he has also been on every wagon besides his own)

Well, the GC wagon was arguably the worst one to be on, because everyone except you and Cirno is confirmed non-mafia.

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I had to change the order of the DCJ wagon, so I guess I should have checked the other vote counts, too. Sorry about that.

What would you guys think of a Scott/GC team? I'll have to do more detailed analysis later.

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Argh, pretty much all my reads were off. Good game, everyone.

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Oh sure. It's my first game and I was excited. Also I'm using a wonderful product for the vote counts. An app for apple products called Mafia Boss.

It helped for the Vote Counts because I could C/P it and it was easy...


The Mass Prod wasn't due to you being inactive. It was just a notification to all players.

I could be wrong, but I think some of the vote counts were out of order. That really makes VCA more difficult. It was good modding overall, though.