Open 328: Mad Social Science (2of4) (Game Over, Town wins)

[Quilford]

/confirm

boo

Everyone here so far is town apart from maybe DDDP.

[Quilford]

I'm down.

Unvote; Vote Hoopla

Two more, please!

[Quilford]

Bleh.
Me too.
I'm sad you probably won't be dancing with me (and myko?) here though.

Unvote, Vote: Quil

>:(

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ellibereth

NOW WHAT

[Quilford]

Hi Hoopla. Hi CES. Hi VitaminR. Hi Quilford. Nice to see you all again. I've seen Elli play a few times (I expect that you know the scum by day 2), but the rest of you I don't know.

/confirm

boo

Everyone here so far is town apart from maybe DDDP.

This is the only post that I can even say something about. I know everybody is kinda jokey about this being the newby setup, but really, newbies don't selfvote/vote nolynch and ask who the IC is. Anyway, this post: Has a suspicion (though god knows why. DDD reading the rules? Don't make me laugh), but chooses to call most people town in the same post. It feels really appeasing and passive.

hurrrrr DDDP's partner found

[Quilford]

who's scum, MrBump?

huh? huh?

[Quilford]

Yarr?

[Quilford]

explain plz

[Quilford]

Hi, I'm new.
Who's the IC?

Vote: No Lynch

Town read, please, Hoopla.

This feels forced.

VOTE: CES

[Quilford]

Either way, Quilford is already stepping away from the thing he is saying, is somehow unconciously aware that he'll be attacked on it and already tries to protect himself.

Forgive me if I'm wrong

If I decipher this correctly

Why would town do that indeed?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mykonian

[Quilford]

Hi, I'm new.
Who's the IC?

Vote: No Lynch

Town read, please, Hoopla.

This feels forced.

VOTE: CES

OMGUS is your second name isn't it? And if I'm correct, a post which was exactly the same was made the previous page (Elli's). I think this counts as CES humor.

CES' post was clearly not intended to be humour but rather an attack on Hoopla's reasoning for one of her townreads.

[Quilford]

Hi Hoopla. Hi CES. Hi VitaminR. Hi Quilford. Nice to see you all again. I've seen Elli play a few times (I expect that you know the scum by day 2), but the rest of you I don't know.

/confirm

boo

Everyone here so far is town apart from maybe DDDP.

This is the only post that I can even say something about. I know everybody is kinda jokey about this being the newby setup, but really, newbies don't selfvote/vote nolynch and ask who the IC is. Anyway, this post: Has a suspicion (though god knows why. DDD reading the rules? Don't make me laugh), but chooses to call most people town in the same post. It feels really appeasing and passive.

hurrrrr DDDP's partner found

Simply call someone scum and the first person to call you scum must be his buddy. Or it's just another passive reaction from Quilford onto his first attacker.

No the reason I thought you were scum was because your reasoning was terrible. Appeasing and passive? By your logic calling anyone town is appeasing them is therefore scummy. And how was my post passive?

[Quilford]

/confirm

boo

Everyone here so far is town

apart from maybe DDDP

.

Also this was based on the last line of this, which sounded somewhat nervous to me:

Also, your rules say to confirm by PM, your PM says to confirm in thread. I'll assume that confirm by PM in the rules means to confirm via the rules stated in the PM and thus confirm in thread and that you just like the Rube Goldberg structure of that and not that you've created an impossible loop by which it's impossible to confirm properly.

Fixed, thanks

Yes I'm bored, shut up and confirm already people.

[Quilford]

I just did, in my last three sentences of the quote.

I voted CES because of the "Jump to Last Post" button.

[Quilford]

Those reads weren't meant to be taken particularly seriously, considering I was giving like no reasoning whatsoever.

[Quilford]

because I'm town

duhhh

[Quilford]

so I'm a mislynch?

[Quilford]

hey ces if you lynch myko then I die instead

i promise <3

[Quilford]

that's the only way I can be killed fyi

[Quilford]

so why are you voting for me?

[Quilford]

apart from that

[Quilford]

fwaaaaahahahahahaaaa


okay you're scum with myk

[Quilford]

hurrrr DDDP needs to read the rest of the thread

VOTE: mykonian

[Quilford]

VOTE: CES

[Quilford]

Why did you quote that post in yours?

Also I assure you I won't be selfhammering as either alignment.

[Quilford]

?

[Quilford]

so I'm a mislynch?

SHARP.

What?

[Quilford]

so I'm a mislynch?

SHARP.

What?

"Good find", you were sharp, etc?

Sarcasm?

How was I sharp?

[Quilford]

Votecount:

Cogito Ergo Sum (3) - VitaminR, Quilford, mykonian
Quilford_______ (2) - Debonair Danny DiPietro, Cogito Ergo Sum

Not voting (4)- Mega, Hoopla, Ellibereth, MrBump

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline 9'th of September at 2 pm.

mykonian is probably scum too. That third vote on CES was pretty bad.

Yes.

[Quilford]

That first quote shouldn't be there.

[Quilford]

Whenever fate tells me something it's in allcaps.

[Quilford]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mykonian
I feel more sure about myk being scum.

[Quilford]

Why?

[Quilford]

Ah.

[Quilford]

I'm terrible and almost immediately obvious when I'm scum. Have five.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=17264
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17472
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17259
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=17470
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17782

I have a penchant for replacing into obvscum slots (and then being disappointed when I lose.)

[Quilford]

mykonian is so scum hooooooly crap

[Quilford]

This isn't the Hoopla I know, actually.

[Quilford]

Quilford, reasons for this vote followed by this vote.

I voted someone and then that bandwagon wasn't happening so I voted someone else.

you scum, brah?

[Quilford]

you scum, brah?

Nah brah. Did you just admit to bandwagon hunting over scumhunting?[/quote]
nah brah

i bandwagoned because they were my top two scum reads

did you admit to it right here?

VOTE: Quilford

No one said you can kill the Quilford wagon prematurely.

hooooooooooo my god oh my god

there;s =this tiny voice in my head whispering 'yes yes yesy yes yes' over and over

VOTE: killerjester

[Quilford]

hoiiii one of killer and CES is scum fo' sho

maybe one of Hoopla and myk for the second

[Quilford]

actually I'm pretty sure my top two scum reads have remained you and CES

nice try though!

[Quilford]

consistency is a scum tell

no, killer's also scum

[Quilford]

what's that?

[Quilford]

what is the tell itself you fool

[Quilford]

I don't have to vote for the players I consider scummiest all the time.

[Quilford]

hey ces although you were, like, completely wrong in the following game your post:content ratio was considerably higher

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

why not here?

[Quilford]

so it turns out Myk's town

definitely at least one of CES and Hoopla is scum

VOTE: CES

[Quilford]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hoopla

[Quilford]

you know I don't think I've ever wifomed myself harder than in this game

[Quilford]

VOTE: CES
I feel uncomfortable on the Hoopla wagon. This one feels like sinking into a plush chair.

Let's kill this person please. I see sum total of zero towniness in CES' posts.

[Quilford]

<3

now I want to hammer killer

stop me please

[Quilford]

Eeeeee.

Sorry about the prod, edmund.

Let me stew over a little.

[Quilford]

Eh the killer and bump wagons seem to be being run by murmurs

I like the CES one more but if someone could give me a reason for Bump I'd probably get on it?

[Quilford]

No. Fuck off.

[Quilford]

no no no myk

no screwing over my town read on you

[Quilford]

hey the bump wagon is actually okay?
VOTE: MrBump (L-1)

but I admit I lolwut'd a bit at myk's #326

[Quilford]

Anyone not voting bump, please tell me what the point of this post was (scumhunting wise). He's arguing that he's right (because 2 votes is more then 1 vote), and further doesn't do a thing.

vote bump

the guy has been this obvious, and can barely get more obvious.

Lots of posts don't have points "scumhunting wise". It's a bit ridiculous that this one seems to be the one that makes you place your vote.

And then you follow it up with some hyperbole. Bluh.

[Quilford]

Anyone not voting bump, please tell me what the point of this post was (scumhunting wise). He's arguing that he's right (because 2 votes is more then 1 vote), and further doesn't do a thing.

vote bump

the guy has been this obvious, and can barely get more obvious.

Lots of posts don't have points "scumhunting wise". It's a bit ridiculous that this one seems to be the one that makes you place your vote.

And then you follow it up with some hyperbole. Bluh.

-- Fixed tags.

[Quilford]

I guess we can agree to disagree.

[Quilford]

Hammer away!

Something about this isn't adding up. Can we change directions before it's too late?

Last shot to bus, hoopla!

And no, I don't have any intention to change direction. Bump is my highest scumread, the wagon looks great, all we need is a hammer. Just read his last "defenses" and you'll know we got caught scum.

These feel odd.

CES wagon was better.

VOTE: CES

I am on absolutely the same wavelength as Hoopla here.

[Quilford]

Something about this isn't adding up. Can we change directions before it's too late?

Let's!

Unvote, vote: Hoopla

Now it's even better!

[Quilford]

hey

stop sounding opportunistic

stop making it sound like bump and CES are the only two options to choose from

I just finished a game where one of the reasons I caught mafia was because they did that

[Quilford]

I feel like Quilford is going out of his way to spam the thread trying to appear useful moreso than Jason is trying to pull off a ridiculous lynch. Especially when you factor in Jason's reasons for voting Quilford not being policy, and the people voting Jason are voting him for his policy vote of Quilford.

Vote Quilford

I actually think Isa is scummier, but Quilford has the cooler wagon, and I'm all for being cool.

ho ho ho

this first sentence makes it sound like his options are restricted to Jason and I

[Quilford]

Is there a chance I can convince you to get back on bump or do I have to come with you on CES?

This just sounds forced, though, like it's... so... monotonous... to... have... to... vote... CES...

[Quilford]

Yeah but you're making it sound like a chore so it kinda sounds feigned 'do I have to' even though you know you'll go anyway

ANYWAY

I don't think I'll be returning to the Bump wagon in the foreseeable future, no.

[Quilford]

I'd be happy if my #2 candidate got lynched most days.

That's great! *pets*

[Quilford]

I'm in Quilford's camp. We probably shouldn't kill MrBump now.

I know you are, but seriously, why not? He's obvious.

All your meta where you state that someone's obvious[ly scum]. No whining.

[Quilford]

DDDP whenever you feel like providing actual content

VOTE: DDDP

[Quilford]

Holy shit deadline.

VOTE: CES

[Quilford]

DDDP/CES. Calling it.

[Quilford]

welp that's deadline.

Vitamin enjoy your scumpoints

[Quilford]

...

...

okay whatever

[Quilford]

Well, that worked out fortuitously.

There's still 1.5 hour left according to ze countdown tags. I don't know where this confusion came from.

oh good lord

fuck that

[Quilford]

VOTE: DDDP

More stuff soonish, hopefully.

[Quilford]

I think I'm down with a cop claimy thing.

Let's popcorn this shit.

[Quilford]

I'm liking this whole 'what-Quilford-says-is-law' thingy, by the way.

[Quilford]

Whoops.

Not cop.

[Quilford]

Holidays begin tomorrow; expect content then. Sorry.

[Quilford]

After the F&E game we played together I can't see Hoopla fakeclaiming as town. Would she fake claim this as scum? I don't think so, there's too many moving parts for it to be a good fake claim and there's not enough possible scum benefit as far as I can see.

Of course there are benefits to Hoopla!scum fake claiming this. She secures a mislynch in myko today (who she is claiming to have jailed I guess?) and then can claim that myko was the target of the kill; if we lynch her tomorrow then her partner has been propelled into MYLO, if we don't and we don't lynch her partner either it's game over; because there is no cop her claim cannot be proven conclusively as false.

Regardless of Hoopla's alignment, DDDP is scum and he needs to be lynched

NOW

.

[Quilford]

I'm confirmed town

No you're not, and in any case you are not infallible.

[Quilford]

Because DDDP is scum and if you can't tell this from looking at his ISO something's wrong with you.

[Quilford]

No.

DDDP is scum.

[Quilford]

oh shit ces she's got us figured out

runnnnnn

[Quilford]

Hummm.

I don't think a DDDP lynch could be any more attractive right now.

[Quilford]

Sorry, guys. This game is so goddamn bleh at the moment.

VOTE: CES

[Quilford]

VOTE: DDDP

yesss

[Quilford]

UNVOTE:

Same problem with VitR re: townreads.

[Quilford]

I think I could be up for a killer lynch.

I don't have a townread on him but I don't have a scumread either.

I don't have scumreads on anyone anymore ffs

[Quilford]

This Elli wagon is some sorta goofy last-minute counterwagon. I don't trust it.

I don't know where to put my vote, killer actually sounds like scum going into damage control to me.

[Quilford]

I'm not sure that either CES or Elli are scum, but I would probably vote CES if forced to choose between them.

[Quilford]

There is something really weird about this game and it is severely limiting my enjoyment and scumhunting capabilities.

Checking it feels like a chore.

[Quilford]

why isn't Quilford dead yet?

CES, I goddamn swear you always say this when you're scum.

Always.

[Quilford]

Yeah, but I also always say it when I'm town.

No you don't.

I felt kinda useless that I could neither show the town that I was town nor find the scum to help out in the days after I died.

Okay, now this is townish. Wanting to scumhunt is a pro-town impulse.

No it isn't. It just sounds try-hard.

[Quilford]

@killerjester
CES wagon > seems like a really obvious elli counterwagon, odd townvibes from CES
Elli wagon > pushed by shady characters w/ no real reasoning

[Quilford]

Prod dodge, moar soon.

[Quilford]

Prod-dodging again; running into Internet troubles.

[Quilford]

VOTE: Ellibereth

[Quilford]

Myk is super on the same wavelength as me.

[Quilford]

I'm completely paranoid about you.

[Quilford]

The question basically boils down to 'Do you think I'm scum or town?' to which I weasel out of with 'I'm in two minds'.

[Quilford]

*gulps*

[Quilford]

I can see VitR - Elli scum.

[Quilford]

And now we wait on Doc/Jaikeeper reports.

Putting my money on VitR/myk scumbuddy.

PEDIT: Hm.

[Quilford]

Welp that _could_ be a ruse (by Hoopla!scum or otherwise) to get our Doc sacrificed, but I think this is good enough for now.

VOTE: mykonian

[Quilford]

Why'd you jail Myk btw Hoopla? stream-of-consciousness is preferred.

[Quilford]

Actually, I dunno.

UNVOTE:

[Quilford]

Hey, myk, why haven't you told us who you protected?

[Quilford]

humm.

[Quilford]

Otay.

VOTE: myk

[Quilford]

If I remember correctly, Hoopla, and I can't be bothered to check post dates now, TV Tropes mafia ended after Day 2, meaning I had Elli-scum meta to work with.

[Quilford]

Hey DDD

I just like totally explained that

Like

the post above yours?

And props on how you totally managed to hone in on a tiny detail anyway so

[Quilford]

Hey DDD

I just like totally explained that

Like

the post above yours?

And props on how you totally managed to hone in on a tiny detail anyway so

I didn't know one needed meta to see that the lurky player who was contributing nothing was likely scum.

Actually, I'm usually described as lazy town.

In fact in a recently completed game where the scumteam prevailed, the only member of the team who I had a townread on stated he tried to play like lazy town because he thought it would appeal to me

[Quilford]

I have no idea what you are talking about, DDD.

[Quilford]

Hi Hoopla. Hi CES. Hi VitaminR. Hi Quilford. Nice to see you all again. I've seen Elli play a few times (I expect that you know the scum by day 2), but the rest of you I don't know.

Yyyyeah, myk's not scum.

[Quilford]

Wait, myk: have you actually ever played with Elli?

If so links plz.

[Quilford]

Laziness has nothing to do with post count.

It has to do with the way you express yourself.

[Quilford]

Oh god this game.

I need to reread.

[Quilford]

Hey Hoopla you can talk about wagon-hopping all you want but the fact is I don't play like this as scum. Never ever never.

[Quilford]

Nope.

In fact I think I would deliberately avoid using it as scum.

[Quilford]

Oh fuck no no no no

I can't handle this.

[Quilford]

V/LA due to impending exams. Should be able to post enough to avoid replacement, though.

[Quilford]

I like the idea of no-lynching.

[Quilford]

mykonian, you just modded a game with CES-scum.

Compare his actions in this game and that, please.

[Quilford]

Would you agree, CES?

[Quilford]

I think myk is town ^____^

[Quilford]

Gngnh

He's the only one that makes sense as Elli's partner.

The Hooplskill either means mykscum made a perfectly valid play (if not the most obvious) or that Hoopls made the worst possible move she could make.

I hadn't looked at it from that perspective, actually.

Oh hey, here's a valid point:

if I were scum with Elli, wouldn't I have shot myko N2? That way I'd get to bus Elli and avoid the whole "jailkeeper confirms a bunch of players" stuff. That's a pretty watertight point actually given that Elli and I were the leading wagons at deadline - an Elli-CES scum team really can't afford to let the PRs stick around.

Do you think myko was under suspicion going into N2? Explain your answer.

[Quilford]

What.

[Quilford]

Oh.

I understand now.

[Quilford]

So here's how it stands for me.

CES is scum because of low content levels (even for his playstyle), plus this game seems to lean more to his scum meta than town
myk is scum because of night actions

My two levels of suspicion are about equal here

Vit, you are scum because of Hoopla-jail. I'm not sure if mykonian was outed at the time.

[Quilford]

I would be voting for myk.

[Quilford]

Or maybe CES.

Look, the fact that I can't make my mind up on which of them is scummier just increases my suspicion of you, VitR.

I'd like to no lynch.

[Quilford]

Vitamin, who would you vote for out of myk, CES and I?

[Quilford]

aaaaargh

[Quilford]

Vitamin, who would you vote for out of myk, CES and I?

Probably myk. I don't think it's CES. But you worry me. You've seemed like your town-self for most of the game, but your absentishness today is making me really paranoid.

I have my yearly exams. That's probably why.

Put down a vote for myk and clear me.

[Quilford]

Waiting for VitR, gonna do some VCA in my spare time.

[Quilford]

Clear.

[Quilford]

With that, we're going to no lynch.

mykonian, you are protecting me tonight. If you try to WIFOM this and you are town and I die then fuck you. Don't WIFOM it. Protect me no matter what.

VOTE: No Lynch

[Quilford]

Well, I'll do some VCA, we'll clear Vitamin (even though I have a bad feeling about it) and then I'll come to a decision.

[Quilford]

It'll be here tomorrow.

[Quilford]

Ugh, whatever.

I'm so sorry.

VOTE: mykonian

[Quilford]

I WIFOMed myself into a mess.

*needs to be calibrated*

In the end the only reason I hammered myk was because I thought town!Myk would fight to the end and because her AtE reminded me of BBmolla in Nomination Mafia.

[Quilford]

hee hee

sorries Myk

[Quilford]

Either way, Quilford is already stepping away from the thing he is saying, is somehow unconciously aware that he'll be attacked on it and already tries to protect himself.

Forgive me if I'm wrong

If I decipher this correctly

Why would town do that indeed?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mykonian

Note to self: use this tell!