Open 327: 3 of 5 ÔÇô Game Over

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/confirm

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No

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Hey hey hey Descent

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Two questions for

Jason

:
1) Can you link me to the games you've played where you've asked for a policy lynch? All of them.
2) Are you scum?

glowball

, can you answer that last one? Can you link me to the games you've played where someone has proposed a policy lynch?

charter

and

GMan

, can you link me to the games you're most proud of as scum and as town?

Isa's probably town, as is pinkfloyd.

Preview Edit:

Descent

, can you please link me to the most recent game in which you played with glowball (unless it's still ongoing)? If not, can you explain what prompted you to greet glowball?

This is weak, isn't it still confirmation? I'll try to answer what needs an answer. Yes, I am always scum- all day, everyday. No, I cannot link you to games where someone has proposed a policy lynch- Stop being lazy and check my wiki for the games I've played and read the first few pages of each. Maybe you'll find something, maybe you won't. I don't link people to my games for silly reasons... And wtf with town reads on Isa and Pinkfloyd?

No

but... but... aww

/Pouts

I don't know why he'd need to be policy lynched. I am generally against them unless I have good enough reason.

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Quilford- You do realize it's page 2 right? the title still says Confirmation...

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glowball

, you have no reason to not give me the relevant meta. And this is like completely different to when I played you in Hard Boiled where you were championing the townie cause and being all like 'you shouldn't be rude as town' etc.

Why are you playing differently?

I am sorry that you think it's rude. I am not being rude, and I am against attitudes like that as town or scum it's unnecessary. I am just saying that you are asking me to go through my games to find something that YOU want. if you want it there is nothing stopping you from going through my games.

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Just to clear it up, the first game I played on this site had glowball in the game, unless I am mistaken, but I can't really mistake that avatar. I hope that clears up why I greeted her.

HEY NOW... my avatar has changed since then. It's just the same character artist, but the overall pic is different!

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VOTE: Quilford

I was against this- but I am all for this bandwagon let's get some results people.

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2) Are you scum?

Yes, I am always scum- all day, everyday.

Sarcastic response = typical scum response

Honestly, if I were you I'd think the same thing and I did after I posted it but seriously it's a lame question and a weak tell so I'd like to squash it this game but doing it myself and not being scum

I don't link people to my games for silly reasons...

What makes it a silly reason?[/quote]
This isn't part of the case... it's just a question. So I am noting that you added questions to make it look longer. Although I commend a case this early in the game.
To answer your question: You haven't presented reason why you would need that information and why should I have go searching because YOU want it? That's me being lazy and really if you had given me a good reason I might have tried when I had free time.

And wtf with town reads on Isa and Pinkfloyd?

Overreaction, restating a point which has already been made and which could be easily deduced through basic logic (what had Isa and Pinkfloyd both done at that point?)[/quote]
What part of that is overreaction? the "wtf"- noted that you don't like my internet lingo, that's playstyle and was a genuine question of why you'd call town reads when people hadn't even really gotten into posting. So, no it wasn't easily deduced through basic logic- what are you even talking about? I am kind of seeing why they wanted a policy lynch.

No

but... but... aww

/Pouts

I don't know why he'd need to be policy lynched. I am generally against them unless I have good enough reason.[/quote]
talks about their stance on policy lynches = typical scum action[/quote]
Talking about my stance makes me scum? Scum usually try not to make any definite stances that can be brought against them later...but that's WIFOM so I won't go into that further. This is just weak.

Quilford- You do realize it's page 2 right? the title still says Confirmation...

Using the number of pages in the game and state of the game to discredit reads

glowball

, you have no reason to not give me the relevant meta. And this is like completely different to when I played you in Hard Boiled where you were championing the townie cause and being all like 'you shouldn't be rude as town' etc.

Why are you playing differently?

I am sorry that you think it's rude. I am not being rude, and I am against attitudes like that as town or scum it's unnecessary. I am just saying that you are asking me to go through my games to find something that YOU want. if you want it there is nothing stopping you from going through my games.

Apologetic and appeasing tone[/quote]
So I cannot be nice? BTW it wasn't even close to appeasing if you read the last 2 sentences I STILL DO NOT GIVE INTO WHAT YOU WANT, which is basically the definition of appeasing-giving someone what they want, but I didn't do that.

Just to clear it up, the first game I played on this site had glowball in the game, unless I am mistaken, but I can't really mistake that avatar. I hope that clears up why I greeted her.

HEY NOW... my avatar has changed since then. It's just the same character artist, but the overall pic is different!

Fluff to lighten the mood[/quote]
Oh god.

VOTE: Quilford

I was against this- but I am all for this bandwagon

let's get some results people.

Contradictory and opportunistic -

glowball

, explain why you were against this and why you are now for it.[/quote]

I was against policy lynching you and then you started posting crap... what else do you need explained?

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fucking quote tags, and I so pride myself on hitting preview- I am tired.

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THERE QUOTE TAGS FIXED--- and Quilford, your case was crap so it gets crappy answers...

2) Are you scum?

Yes, I am always scum- all day, everyday.

Sarcastic response = typical scum response

Honestly, if I were you I'd think the same thing and I did after I posted it but seriously it's a lame question and a weak tell so I'd like to squash it this game but doing it myself and not being scum

I don't link people to my games for silly reasons...

What makes it a silly reason?

This isn't part of the case... it's just a question. So I am noting that you added questions to make it look longer. Although I commend a case this early in the game.
To answer your question: You haven't presented reason why you would need that information and why should I have go searching because YOU want it? That's me being lazy and really if you had given me a good reason I might have tried when I had free time.

And wtf with town reads on Isa and Pinkfloyd?

Overreaction, restating a point which has already been made and which could be easily deduced through basic logic (what had Isa and Pinkfloyd both done at that point?)

What part of that is overreaction? the "wtf"- noted that you don't like my internet lingo, that's playstyle and was a genuine question of why you'd call town reads when people hadn't even really gotten into posting. So, no it wasn't easily deduced through basic logic- what are you even talking about? I am kind of seeing why they wanted a policy lynch.

No

but... but... aww

/Pouts

I don't know why he'd need to be policy lynched. I am generally against them unless I have good enough reason.

talks about their stance on policy lynches = typical scum action[/quote]
Talking about my stance makes me scum? Scum usually try not to make any definite stances that can be brought against them later...but that's WIFOM so I won't go into that further. This is just weak.

Quilford- You do realize it's page 2 right? the title still says Confirmation...

Using the number of pages in the game and state of the game to discredit reads

glowball

, you have no reason to not give me the relevant meta. And this is like completely different to when I played you in Hard Boiled where you were championing the townie cause and being all like 'you shouldn't be rude as town' etc.

Why are you playing differently?

I am sorry that you think it's rude. I am not being rude, and I am against attitudes like that as town or scum it's unnecessary. I am just saying that you are asking me to go through my games to find something that YOU want. if you want it there is nothing stopping you from going through my games.

Apologetic and appeasing tone

So I cannot be nice? BTW it wasn't even close to appeasing if you read the last 2 sentences I STILL DO NOT GIVE INTO WHAT YOU WANT, which is basically the definition of appeasing-giving someone what they want, but I didn't do that.

Just to clear it up, the first game I played on this site had glowball in the game, unless I am mistaken, but I can't really mistake that avatar. I hope that clears up why I greeted her.

HEY NOW... my avatar has changed since then. It's just the same character artist, but the overall pic is different!

Fluff to lighten the mood

Oh god.

VOTE: Quilford

I was against this- but I am all for this bandwagon

let's get some results people.

Contradictory and opportunistic -

glowball

, explain why you were against this and why you are now for it.

I was against policy lynching you and then you started posting crap... what else do you need explained?

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Just because YOU talked about your stance on policy lynches as scum, and so did another player has absolutely nothing to do with my meta. If you bothered to do the research I told you to do you'd know that. So you are basically saying I am scum because you do something as scum? We have different playstyles and I can already tell this is going to be bad. Sad part? I don't even think you are scum just VI

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So you read Quil's case and you thought it was strong enough to warrant a vote? There's no protecting people from stupidity...

[glowball]

I think that all of this is premature, and the back and forth is really hindering my reads so I'm just going to lay back and no- when I am town, I don't really read cases against me because there is no way you can convince me that I am scummy when I know I'm not. Plus I have a conspiracy theory on "scumtells" a whole lot of them are garbage.

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OMG thank you Charter- Quilford's case is garbage, and I definitely expect players with more knowledge to see that.

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I'm torn on this Descent issue. I have a bad feeling about Descent because his play seems a little bit off of what I remember, but it was just one game and it was a newbie game a while ago...

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All this does is make Quilford and Charter more suspicious IMO.

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VOTE: Glowball

Soon, a case will appear

I look forward to this.

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I just realized there's only 2 Mafia in this set up and we are half way there. I'd like everyone's reads top to bottom.

SCUMMIEST
Quilford
Charter
Isa
PinkFloyd
JasonT
GMan
TOWNY

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^ THIS= better than anything Quilford ever said against me. I mean I thoroughly enjoyed the connection. I was looking forward to your case because I was wondering what you were going to pull out and it was just short enough that I could glance it over. Nice. I approve of your vote on me, let's wagon this up to L-1 why don't we?

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@Charter, you are voting for Isa, what do you make of her case on me?

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Really? Not even the blatant connections between Descent and myself? Nothing that made you think at all?

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HEY NOW GMAN.. I just had your back...

Charter is slightly scummy to me, an elaborate read on all the players to come a little later....

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I asked that, and people ignored me!

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ALSO MY READS ARE ON PAGE 7

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why do you find me scummy?

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an elaborate read on all the players to come a little later....

glowball, where's this?

Sorry got distracted. Although I will say that in one post, mostly because I am a sucker for follow ups, you earned enormous amounts of town pts. MY NEXT POST FOR SURE... working now.

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Alright hindsight is 20/20

Here are some notes....

charter-- No resistance to Quilford's question and more often than not I find scum tend to answer all miscellaneous questions to look like they are contributing but overrall it's a null tell at that point. Seemingly cruising through the game jumps on Quilford's wagon over Jason's even though he thinks Isa is scummier?

Gman -- Comes in and gives opinions on the game as a whole, generally good reads. Although he decides to vote me I still got pro town vibe coming from him.

Isa -- Same as Charter no resistance to the questions that Quilford asked, but still null. Then opportunistically jumps on JasonT's wagon instead of Quilford's- seeing an immediate connection probably because Quilford has called her town it's in her best interest to keep him. Also, at this point no follow up on the question she asked Quilford earlier- I don't like that.
Seems to protect Quilford

JasonT1981-- Resisted answering Quil's questions at first, but a little suspicious because he did comply after Quilford called him scum with me. Earns some scum points from Zach's counter wagon last day phase now that Zach is dead conftown. Zach really gets on Jason's case and that gives him more scum points

pinkfloyd-- Active lurking through the game and then comes in for the hammer estra scumpoints.

Quilford-- out of the gate wants a Miller claim which was a little suspect. Immediately calls 2 people town on post #20. Asks if Jason was admitting to being scum in post #24 which was a huge stretch. Post #29 Calls Jason and I a scumteam with no reasoning at first, seemingly because we won't answer his questions and question his town reads this early in the game. Post #39 Calls me rude for not giving him meta. Stuck on meta too much suggests he is trying to find discrepancies in play to throw at people. Using other games to call someone scummy? Not ALWAYS pro-town IMO. Had a nulltown read on Descent. Case on me was bad. Quilford gets town points for Descent's post about Me and Him being scumbuddies bussing each other.

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I think I have a bias against Quilford which comes naturally when people attack me and I find it absolutely worthless, but now even though he has done some things that are suspect I am doing a full turn around on my reads. I re read the entire thread and I have seen the light and I am more confident in these reads.

YOU HEAR ME, COMPLETELY NEW READS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SCUM
JasonT
PinkFloyd
Isa
Charter
Quilford
GMan
TOWN

JasonT needs death today, Zach died over night and had made a case on Jason in the previous day phase. Yes this turns into WIFOM, but I cannot tell you how many times a kill is completely obvious and moer often than not scum kill who are most onto them. Zach started a case on Jason and then called out Descent- it is in our best interest to finish his work.

VOTE: JasonT

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By the same logic you use to suspect Jason, you can say scum killed Zach to frame him. Not a good reason to lynch someone over.

I already said it turns into WIFOM, but sometimes/most times from my experience kills are straight forward. I want to follow through on this..

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you guys we shouldnt even be worried. I am confident enough that the last scum is between jason, charter, or pink floyd. Realistically we can mislynch what? 2 more times? Not accounting for whatever the 3 of 5 are....we have this won unless GMan is scumz which I highly doubt.

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WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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Sorry Jason, but you were a necessary sacrifice. I knew scum was in the group of three and there was no way we could lose lynching like that. Yeah we lost a townie, but we won!

I do agree that Pinkfloyd's voting is reckless and I will be hesitant to play with him again because he should have let people claim. Especially in this set up.

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I think people who make terribad cases on me are scummy, which is why I thought Quilford was scummy at first.

Isa, you tried I just found you nullscum by PoE. I had other town reads, and I had some scum reads. IMO you have to earn your town points, otherwise you are null and by not earning town points you kind of inversely earn scum points. THUS nullscum.

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You also KNEW I was scum.