Open 327: 3 of 5 ÔÇô Game Over

[Quilford]

Whoooo a nice small game.

Claim if miller, please (since that seems to be what EVERYONE MUST DO).

[Quilford]

Whoooo a nice small game.

Claim if miller, please (since that seems to be what EVERYONE MUST DO).

This proposal will give the scum a huge advantage in terms of knowing the setup.

True.

I was going to go and PROVE YOU WRONG, GODDAMNIT with some hard evidence in the form of 2 of 4 and 3 of 5 games when I noticed that scum were the ones who suggested miller should claim, without fail.

I'm not scum and we had miller claim in the last 2 of 4 I was in. That's why I suggested it.

[Quilford]

Two questions for

Jason

:
1) Can you link me to the games you've played where you've asked for a policy lynch? All of them.
2) Are you scum?

glowball

, can you answer that last one? Can you link me to the games you've played where someone has proposed a policy lynch?

charter

and

GMan

, can you link me to the games you're most proud of as scum and as town?

Isa's probably town, as is pinkfloyd.

Preview Edit:

Descent

, can you please link me to the most recent game in which you played with glowball (unless it's still ongoing)? If not, can you explain what prompted you to greet glowball?

[Quilford]

Two questions for

Jason

:
1) Can you link me to the games you've played where you've asked for a policy lynch? All of them.
2) Are you scum?

2) Play the game, and find out for yourself... If I tell you... wheres the fun in the hunt?

Did you just admit to being scum?

[Quilford]

I am laughing so hard right now and it is on public transport so I'm getting odd stares

[Quilford]

Isa

and

pinkfloyd

, before I explain how I attained townreads on you, please find for me the game you are most proud of in which you played scum, and any game where you played town.

Preview Edit: calling the scumteam as jason and glowball

[Quilford]

Two questions for

Jason

:
1) Can you link me to the games you've played where you've asked for a policy lynch? All of them.
2) Are you scum?

2) Play the game, and find out for yourself... If I tell you... wheres the fun in the hunt?

Did you just admit to being scum?

Don't be stupid.

You said 'If I tell you... wheres the fun in the hunt?' implying that we would hunt you.

[Quilford]

Preview Edit: calling the scumteam as jason and glowball

Shouldn't you like, wait for the game to begin and get reads then?

Also, can you link us to some of your proudest games as scum and town?

Quilford- You do realize it's page 2 right? the title still says Confirmation...

So what? I can get scum reads on any page I like ^____^

[Quilford]

glowball

, you have no reason to not give me the relevant meta. And this is like completely different to when I played you in Hard Boiled where you were championing the townie cause and being all like 'you shouldn't be rude as town' etc.

Why are you playing differently?

[Quilford]

Don't be stupid.

You said 'If I tell you... wheres the fun in the hunt?' implying that we would hunt you.

No, I'm saying knowing right from the start takes the fun out of the game. The fun comes in trying to deduce who is scum.. which is the point of the game.

If I come out and say Yes Quilford, I am scum... then it defeats the entire purpose of Mafia.

If you are town, then you should have no problem saying whether you are scum or not!

[Quilford]

Two questions for

Jason

:
1) Can you link me to the games you've played where you've asked for a policy lynch? All of them.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 52&t=15650
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p3033127

Jason

, in both those games you were town. Have you ever asked for a policy lynch as scum?

glowball

, can you answer that last one? Can you link me to the games you've played where someone has proposed a policy lynch?

glowball

, by doing this you're helping me read you; it's in your best interests plus you know your games better than I do

whatever I'll do this myself later

Isa's probably town, as is pinkfloyd.

This was based purely off of enthusiasm in confirmations.

Preview Edit:

Descent

, can you please link me to the most recent game in which you played with glowball (unless it's still ongoing)? If not, can you explain what prompted you to greet glowball?

Just to see why they greeted each other like they did. Also: useful meta.


VOTE: glowball

Jason, Isa and pinkfloyd are town for now.
Zach is nulltown, as are Descent and maybe Charter.
GMan is null.

glowball is definitely scum, though. I'll explain in a moment.

[Quilford]

2) Are you scum?

Yes, I am always scum- all day, everyday.

Sarcastic response = typical scum response

I don't link people to my games for silly reasons...

What makes it a silly reason?

And wtf with town reads on Isa and Pinkfloyd?

Overreaction, restating a point which has already been made and which could be easily deduced through basic logic (what had Isa and Pinkfloyd both done at that point?)

No

but... but... aww

/Pouts

I don't know why he'd need to be policy lynched. I am generally against them unless I have good enough reason.[/quote]
talks about their stance on policy lynches = typical scum action

Quilford- You do realize it's page 2 right? the title still says Confirmation...

Using the number of pages in the game and state of the game to discredit reads

glowball

, you have no reason to not give me the relevant meta. And this is like completely different to when I played you in Hard Boiled where you were championing the townie cause and being all like 'you shouldn't be rude as town' etc.

Why are you playing differently?

I am sorry that you think it's rude. I am not being rude, and I am against attitudes like that as town or scum it's unnecessary. I am just saying that you are asking me to go through my games to find something that YOU want. if you want it there is nothing stopping you from going through my games.

Apologetic and appeasing tone

Just to clear it up, the first game I played on this site had glowball in the game, unless I am mistaken, but I can't really mistake that avatar. I hope that clears up why I greeted her.

HEY NOW... my avatar has changed since then. It's just the same character artist, but the overall pic is different!

Fluff to lighten the mood

VOTE: Quilford

I was against this- but I am all for this bandwagon

let's get some results people.

Contradictory and opportunistic -

glowball

, explain why you were against this and why you are now for it.

[Quilford]

2) Are you scum?

Yes, I am always scum- all day, everyday.

Sarcastic response = typical scum response

Not sure how valid this point is actually I think it can come from town too.


This point is still highly valid though:

No

but... but... aww

/Pouts

I don't know why he'd need to be policy lynched. I am generally against them unless I have good enough reason.

talks about their stance on policy lynches = typical scum action[/quote]
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3032748 < me as scum talking about my stance on policy lynches
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p2627450 < smashbro of the SSS as scum talking about his stance on policy lynches

in the game Jason linked

I'm sure I could find more if I could be bothered to look.

[Quilford]

I feel like Quilford is going out of his way to spam the thread trying to appear useful moreso than Jason is trying to pull off a ridiculous lynch. Especially when you factor in Jason's reasons for voting Quilford not being policy, and the people voting Jason are voting him for his policy vote of Quilford.

Vote Quilford

I actually think Isa is scummier, but Quilford has the cooler wagon, and I'm all for being cool.

ho ho ho

this first sentence makes it sound like his options are restricted to Jason and I

[Quilford]

yeeeeeees pretty sure glow is scum

[Quilford]

those responses were crap and if I can be bothered I'll pick them apart later

[Quilford]

This point is still highly valid though:

No

but... but... aww

/Pouts

I don't know why he'd need to be policy lynched. I am generally against them unless I have good enough reason.

talks about their stance on policy lynches = typical scum action

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3032748 < me as scum talking about my stance on policy lynches
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p2627450 < smashbro of the SSS as scum talking about his stance on policy lynches

in the game Jason linked

I'm sure I could find more if I could be bothered to look.[/quote]
Fixed quote tags, this is hard evidence right here

[Quilford]

or not

[Quilford]

Just because YOU talked about your stance on policy lynches as scum, and so did another player has absolutely nothing to do with my meta. If you bothered to do the research I told you to do you'd know that.

No I wouldn't. Your wiki lists three games. In none of them are policy lynches brought up.

So you are basically saying I am scum because you do something as scum? We have different playstyles and I can already tell this is going to be bad.

Believe it or not, there are certain things that everyone does in one form or another.

They're grouped together and labeled scumtells. Heard of them?

[Quilford]

I don't link people to my games for silly reasons...

What makes it a silly reason?

This isn't part of the case... it's just a question. So I am noting that you added questions to make it look longer.

Are you kidding me.

Although I commend a case this early in the game.

Backtracking a line later.

To answer your question:

You haven't presented reason why you would need that information

and why should I have go searching because YOU want it? That's me being lazy and really if you had given me a good reason I might have tried when I had free time.

That's the point.

And wtf with town reads on Isa and Pinkfloyd?

Overreaction, restating a point which has already been made and which could be easily deduced through basic logic (what had Isa and Pinkfloyd both done at that point?)

What part of that is overreaction? the "wtf"- noted that you don't like my internet lingo, that's playstyle and was a genuine question of why you'd call town reads when people hadn't even really gotten into posting. So, no it wasn't easily deduced through basic logic- what are you even talking about? I am kind of seeing why they wanted a policy lynch.

How do you think I got town reads on Isa and Pinkfloyd? It should be bleedingly obvious if you look at the posts they had made at that point and what they had in common.

No

but... but... aww

/Pouts

I don't know why he'd need to be policy lynched. I am generally against them unless I have good enough reason.

talks about their stance on policy lynches = typical scum action

Talking about my stance makes me scum? Scum usually try not to make any definite stances that can be brought against them later...but that's WIFOM so I won't go into that further. This is just weak.[/quote]
Talking about your stance on policy lynches does.

glowball

, you have no reason to not give me the relevant meta. And this is like completely different to when I played you in Hard Boiled where you were championing the townie cause and being all like 'you shouldn't be rude as town' etc.

Why are you playing differently?

I am sorry that you think it's rude. I am not being rude, and I am against attitudes like that as town or scum it's unnecessary. I am just saying that you are asking me to go through my games to find something that YOU want. if you want it there is nothing stopping you from going through my games.

Apologetic and appeasing tone

So I cannot be nice? BTW it wasn't even close to appeasing if you read the last 2 sentences I STILL DO NOT GIVE INTO WHAT YOU WANT, which is basically the definition of appeasing-giving someone what they want, but I didn't do that.

Appeasing in that I asked you why you were playing differently and you instantly changed your tone.

VOTE: Quilford

I was against this- but I am all for this bandwagon

let's get some results people.

Contradictory and opportunistic -

glowball

, explain why you were against this and why you are now for it.

I was against policy lynching you and then you started posting crap... what else do you need explained?

What 'crap' is this?



hurrr scumread starting to falter a little

[Quilford]

hurrrrr

Pink why did you selfvote?

GMan go and answer the questions that I asked you.

[Quilford]

I actually don't agree at all with Quil's "enthusiasm" town-reads

They're the weakest things for reads ever. But at the time they were all that was there.

I'm not really fond of most of Quil's case, particularly the part about having a stance on policy lynching is a scum tell (have an example - the guy I'm questioning in this post is town). But I really don't like glowball's responses.

It's not having a stance per se that's scummy, it's openly preaching that stance - you can see the players do this in the links (I think).

[Quilford]

re Jason: I know, right. (also I'm terrible at scum in Newbies fml) But I think his bizzarity is probably a town tell and I can't see scum pushing that hard for a policy lynch.

Relevant meta to back up your arguments would be nice.

[Quilford]

What is with these unexplained scumreads on me.

[Quilford]

They had both posted, you numbskull.

Jason link to any games where you have suggested a policy lynch as scum or I vote you.

[Quilford]

OK, they actually had both posted /confirm.. that is all. how do you get a town read? STOP AVOIDING THAT QUESTION!

They'd posted it with enthusiasm. I haven't avoided this question, in fact I have replied to it several times.

[Quilford]

how is that a town tell? I actually find the posting of smile icons a slight scum tell and have nailed scum in the past for using them. Also, do you not think scum could post looking enthusiastic to make it look like they are eager town? I don't buy your answer. I don't see one way or another you can get a town tell or scum tell of one /confim posting.

Does that make those who do not post enthusiastically, more likely to be scum then?

Jason, for gods' sakes.

I know it wasn't a solid towntell in any form. I know this. I was latching onto whatever we had to get some discussion started.

And no to your last question.

[Quilford]

Claim.

[Quilford]

Pinkfloyd what made you hammer?

[Quilford]

You're scum?

fuck yesssssss

[Quilford]

Tossing up between voting charter, glowball and GMan.

I really would vote glowball considering how her most recent post reeks to high heaven, but I don't think scumbuddies would greet each other like those two did.

[Quilford]

Glowball against Quilford intrigues me, because the game I played with Glowball, this is what she did with her scum partner, they went back and forth early game before one of them was lynched day two. Of course, that isn't to say that this is what is happening now.

Charter's posts have been useful, but worried there might be some underlying motive, just a gut feeling.

GMan's vote doesn't really worry me, as it was explained well. Jason and Zach do seem to have something about them, but I don't see them both being scum, one of them possibly.

So far, I haven't got much from this game. Maybe I just suck.

Also, is Pinkfloyd taking advantage of the chance to hammer me so early on in the game so he isn't seen as scum? Think about it!

These two posts will lead us to his buddy and underline my suspicions of Charter and GMan (and maybe even Jason).

Doubt pinkfloyd's his partner though.

[Quilford]

You think I'm scum after what Descent said that lead to his lynch?

[Quilford]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... er_sort=Go

Might be useful.

[Quilford]

it's charterrrrrr

VOTE: charter

i look forward to insulting jason and watching him bluster in endgame

[Quilford]

Isa I feel pretty strongly that scum was bussing but I don't think jason would've hopped on so early

pretty sure it's charter guys

[Quilford]

Endgame = end of game, no?

[Quilford]

it's charterrrrrr

VOTE: charter

i look forward to insulting jason and watching him bluster in endgame

eh? this makes no sense, if you really believe charter is scum... you would not be able to watch me bluster (whatever the hell you mean) in Endgame as he would be lynched before (as scum) no?

in reply to this

[Quilford]

So I'd actually like to hear why people think I'm scum.

[Quilford]

Quilford, you did make a mistake posting those town-reads, I shook my head when I first read them, but then realized that you really wouldn't be dumb enough to post two people when there is only two scum. That amazes me as much as anything. Either he is protecting one scum partner and himself or he doesn't know if they are scum or not.

I dunno why, I just had a gut feeling that you could be trying to be too nice, but I am a very suspicious person.

Also, Isa strikes me as town, while Quilford has a slightly scummy vibe.

That looked like I could be buddying hey. I understand the votes and if it came down to it, I reckon I might have to vote for myself from that.

What the post was supposed to say is this:

Quilford puts two names out there as town reads for, well no reason.
Three people cannot be scum!
So, what I am saying is that a)Quilford is protecting his scum partner and throwing out another name to throw US off.

or

There could be nothing in it and I am reading too far into it.

These three posts all clearly indicate that I am town.

[Quilford]

vote:Quilford

Role-fishing.... having reads on people as town without anytyhing from them.

Yea, die scum!

Jason the only thing you have said about me being scum is this which looks quite scummy in itself

And pinkfloyd hasn't said anything at all

[Quilford]

an elaborate read on all the players to come a little later....

glowball, where's this?

[Quilford]

Vote Isa

Reaction to the hammer was pretty suspect, and the reasons I found him suspicious yesterday.

This point is a fail considering scum would say as little about their partner's incoming death.

Isa, come vote charter with me please. His ISO is barren and the reasoning behind his suspicions are weak and have the forced, mechanical air of scum trying to scumhunt

[Quilford]

Quilford, you did make a mistake posting those town-reads, I shook my head when I first read them, but then realized that you really wouldn't be dumb enough to post two people when there is only two scum. That amazes me as much as anything. Either he is protecting one scum partner and himself or he doesn't know if they are scum or not.

I dunno why, I just had a gut feeling that you could be trying to be too nice, but I am a very suspicious person.

Also, Isa strikes me as town, while Quilford has a slightly scummy vibe.

That looked like I could be buddying hey. I understand the votes and if it came down to it, I reckon I might have to vote for myself from that.

What the post was supposed to say is this:

Quilford puts two names out there as town reads for, well no reason.
Three people cannot be scum!
So, what I am saying is that a)Quilford is protecting his scum partner and throwing out another name to throw US off.

or

There could be nothing in it and I am reading too far into it.

These three posts all clearly indicate that I am town.

no, they really don't.. stop reaching.

...

lols

VOTE: jasonT1981

[Quilford]

I like the bit where you explain why not and then go on to not use hyperbole, jason.

[Quilford]

By the same logic you use to suspect Jason, you can say scum killed Zach to frame him. Not a good reason to lynch someone over.

I already said it turns into WIFOM, but sometimes/most times from my experience kills are straight forward. I want to follow through on this..

This is truth. Most times and

especially

when there's only one scum alive, scum try to play it safe. Zach was killed for being a threat. (glow, he also agreed with me about jason's admitting to being scum in post #24)

[Quilford]

I would vote Quilford. Right now I don't see myself voting for anyone else, but nothing is really happening.

Mine scumlist is
Isa
Quilford
PinkFloyd

Rest are all about the same and town reads.

Guys I like voting for jason because he's an idiot but I really think charter's scum

what do

[Quilford]

I think I have a bias against Quilford which comes naturally when people attack me

I get this a lot too (read: this game).

glowball's town now

Pretty sure the scum's charterrrrr

[Quilford]

Orrrr unless we just lynched a PR.

FINGERS CROSSED

[Quilford]

VOTE: Charter

boooooo

[Quilford]

Friggin' knew it.

[Quilford]

You also KNEW I was scum. :roll:

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