Open 317 Masons & Monks (Game Over) Finished: September 8

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A-hoy-hoy.

I'm replacing Tomie.
I have a beard.
OMG I have 29 pages to read, I could have sworn the replace in request said 20. I'm not going back to check, I'll just presume the mod is evil.
OMGWTFLOL DK is on Day 2 in a game!?! Does this mean I get to see awesome scumhunting powah from him now? Joy!

Okay, I usually manage about 5 pages at a stretch when reading, sometimes more/less depending on walls and how much I want to screech about how "town is throwing it all away" and/or moans about bad play. I'm probably at least two days to read up on all of this, maybe more or less, I'll keep you updated but would expect my first big catchup post to happen tomorrow with probably a part 2 later that day or the next.

People should also tell me who I need to be voting, I love sheeping and will probably just follow you blindly.

Also - I've never been replaced, ever, so this slot's problems end now.

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I've been avoiding this, I need to stop that, this is me moving forward, so;

DarkCoffeeJazz is dead town
Blackberry is dead Werewolf
VitaminR is dead Mason (boo!)

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With VitaminR dead and the comment from YankCane regarding a Blackberry vote, with 20/20 foresight I'd be voting YankCrank (at the time I probably would have been voting DK)


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Unless Guido's balls are the size of casaba melons he is not werewolf.
His hunting other than that is lolsilly, but...hey, he's more town looking than most of the players thus far - huzzah for him.


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smallpeople's interaction with YankCane increases a desire to see them both lynched in me. I'll vaguely lean littlehumans as the preference.

I'm going to be shocked to learn why the Mafia killed Blackberry - I hope their intention was Werewolf hunting.

Post 107 continues to raise my lynch desire on tinyterrestrials. Would be voting him now methinks.

DK is the first to mention teenyterrans as a suspect. I'm not sure if that should worry me that he agrees with me, or worry all of you that you're not noticing this. Pick one.

Cirno is here...I've played with Cirno, I know I have...I can't recall if I'm supposed to be horrified or happy because of this. Cirno probably shouldn't have changed Cirno's avatar, because Thor is a visual person for people recollection. Well, the Guido vote is bad, let's make Cirno potential scum and I'll figure out my hatred/love later.

Hmmm, if I hated Cirno before I like her now, so, bleh. Chevre can go on scum for lolsilly argument with her, Cirno can go hang with town DK.

Yank calls minisculemamillians scummy out of nowhere. Hurm...

Chevre's explanation of DK vote is weaksauce.

DK, you are very skilled in making me reluctant to share the same reads as you.

Brilliance has been spoken.

Ah, Cirno posts a picture, now I remember her, she is in 'leery distrust' category. She is a tunnel gawd. Maybe she's improved over time - but if she starts tunneling whack her with rolled up newspaper. Good to know.

Page 8-9 (I lost pages in there - I'm not going back to find witch quotes came from where - deal with it)

Blork. Walls, skim, Tomie my predecessor agreed with my issues with diminutivepopulations so, huzzah, mason hydra go!

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Chevre catches Blackberry giving a boffo weird town read to minisculemankind

This has been...by FAR...the most pro-town day I've ever seen out of DK...I've only see him play as town though. This worries me.

Cirno+dwarfraces is something to recall.

DarkCoffee gets lynched for the crime of 'playing different' doesn't he?

Ugh, I'm at Page 13 and am skimming HARDCORE by this stage. I'm stopping as I'm not getting helpful reads at this point. I *might* come back at this tonight. I really should just to be fair to all of you, so I'll try it, but if not I'll definitely finish tomorrow.

Also, conversation point.

If he hasn't yet - the last mason should claim.

I legitimately believe this.
Discuss.

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I'm sad I had a town read on him already.
Carry on.

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Greetings,

I actually had a computer blow up on me and have a long daytrip tomorrow - so I'm not going to be the blinding flash of sandspurs up the backside this game needs till Sunday/Monday really.
Also, I have a few scribblings I can't post till I rescue them from other computer - I don't think anything too brilliant i sbeing missed though. I'm read up now, I skimmed a lot.

Ahoy! Read Post #704, the suspects are the people you need to look at, also go back a few and check out major wagons on D1, and skim a bit.

I skimmed a LOT.
Also, your suspect list is okay, your town clear list is...eh. Quick question; 1 Werewolf was on the wagon - do you think the other werewolf was as well? Also, do you think both scum pushed the wagon? I'd expect 1, but not an assurance of both, yeah? With that as a thought - there's actually pretty good chances of two non-town off the wagon, which means higher percentage chance in lynching off the wagon...thoughts?

Plotting ways to get Thor killed as is my duty.

If so, we can be fairly certain I'm town, yeah?

For the record, I'm leaning town/town for the whole cjdrum debacle. That case from both sides seems to be "HATE YOU!" which is not a good town call.

Vote:Scott Brosius

I'm doing this vote just for OMGUS.
Also acceptable lynches are Yank (I'd actually leap off Scott for Yank action - no pun intended) and Chevre, a little less sure on Chevre but wouldn't mind him eating rope.

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We have 3 scum left. Guido I'm not seeing as scum. Thor... Not really, but possible. I think Scott Brosius, smallpeoples and Cirno would probably be the three.

"Thor is voting Scott and agrees with me on smallpeoples at least being questionable...Vote: Cirno"

What is this gak, seriously? Who else has a scum read on Cirno?
No one.
Useless and unhelpful vote is useless and unhelpful, yeah?

I will blindly follow you everywhere you go, Thor. Someone has to have a better handle on this game then me. Not thinking DeityKabuto is scum, just a moron. Yank seems far too singleminded with his vote just lying about on smallpeople.

What's your read on Scott? Why Yank over him?

* f a c e p a l m *

DeityKabuto, elaborate as to how thinking you are scum even though you claimed mason is a scumslip.

Answer the werewolf suspects who claimed Monk first - derpy doo.
You are not reading the thread at all - I'd comment that I'm down with lynching you but I think I already have. You need death.

@Cirno - who are you advancing as scum currently? It's cjdrum, yeah? What flavor of scum is he and why?

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@Scott - how do you feel about the 'you' lynch? Ducking it increases my ire, not make me forget it.

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Self vote for great justice?

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Replace out then? It doesn't sound like you want to help town win right now, so you're hurting my chances to win, yeah?

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Or that the werewolf is dumb.

Chevre I can see.
Why is cjdrum scum? I don't see that one at all.

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@Cirno - what's your read on Scott B. and Chevre?

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You and your eternal null reads. They still freak me out.
There seems to support for a Chevre lynch, wanna get on that instead of cjdrum? I think the lurk tell on him is pretty weak since, as far as I can tell, he's always kinda fail lurky.

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Unvote: Scott Brosius
Vote: Chevre

@DK - actually Scott is at least second and possibly third with that catch.

@Everyone - yes, I'm voting along with one of my suspects for another one. You should all join this wagon too - it's incestuously good.

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I'll ask you to explain how it's lazy.
I don't expect to understand, but try anyway.

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Are you ever 100% sure in Mafia?
I've had some high percentages - but not often.

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The quick feed is that Chevre is some sort of scum (mafia) and we're lynching him.

If he's town cjdrum has a fair chance of being his partner.

You're also pretty possible to be some variety of scum, so how's that going for you?

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If he's town cjdrum has a fair chance of being his partner.

That makes a lot of sense, don't it?

If he's town cjdrum has a fair chance of being mafia.

There.

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Thor's case was made in his replace in posts and also, quite frankly, was clarified when I pointed out the exact thing Scott is voting him for prior to Scott noticing it and voting.

That's my case.

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If you understand Scott's case then theoretically you understand mine, or are you looking to have me quote where I pointed it out before him for you? I don't get your confusion.

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Answer the werewolf suspects who claimed Monk first - derpy doo.
You are not reading the thread at all - I'd comment that I'm down with lynching you but I think I already have. You need death

There it is, me calling him out for exactly the issue Scott raised and saying he needs death for it.
Now you understand Scott's and Thor's cases.

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Hmmm, if I hated Cirno before I like her now, so, bleh. Chevre can go on scum for lolsilly argument with her, Cirno can go hang with town DK.

Chevre's explanation of DK vote is weaksauce.

Also acceptable lynches are Yank (I'd actually leap off Scott for Yank action - no pun intended) and Chevre, a little less sure on Chevre but wouldn't mind him eating rope.

And there's the replace in post - add that to the sudden annoyance at his horrible case as outlined in my quote above and you have the Chevre=scum case from Thor.

Did that really help more than me saying it was Scott's case? Huzzah for us I suppose. Now you can understand two of the cases.

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Mostly the monk thing, but yes.

I approve of the strategy of following me blindly since I approve of town having control of lynches. His hesitance around the Scott portion of that may be telling, but that's not valuable till we get one of them dead.

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I'm too handsome to be evil.

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Well, neither side really did optimal kills.
The Werewolves killed a guaranteed not Mafia and the Mafia killed a werewolf and ignored the guaranteed not Mafia.
I don't think we can predict them much at all.
Doesn't really matter though - we're lynching Chevre (or Scott).

Also, Yank needs to manage that catchup post.

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Who has a town read on Chevre?
Why has this lynch not happened yet?

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Hey Yank, you're right about cjdrum wanting to slither onto an easy wagon.

Didn't you promise reads on some of the other action going on in thread and not just one of the most recent posts?

@DK - I don't think you can read me at all nor do I think you've bothered to look at any meta of me to see how aggressive I am around lynches when town or scum.

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I stated my Chevre case last page when Cirno wanted it restated.

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If by lazy bastards you include Chevre - than sure.

When are you making that Chevre is town argument? Because - seriously dude - nothing he has done is worth this much defense.

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@Guido - you're ducking Cirno's question. She wanted you to state or quote your case vs. Chevre.

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Are you really confirming the Monks? That makes 0 sense.

How are they confirmed town?

Well.
One of them is confirmed.

@Diety - I'm scum because I'm pushing hard on lynching a player you admit is a scum suspect and still haven't explained any town read of? Sure, super scummy of me. But let's lynch Chevre first just for yucks, I have a cooler beard than him.

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@Cirno - So basically you're sticking to cjdrum for playstyle disagreement?
Meh.
Still, you're continuing to be way better and more helpful than half the town - if they keep lurksacking it maybe I'll just sheep you for yuks.

@DK - she's not trying to lynch any monks right now, so don't sweat it.

@Everyone - We need more votes in play people!

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@DK - Chevre wagon isn't dead.

Also, you have noticed that I called Scott, Yank, and Chevre all scum and was even trying to lynch Scott earlier.
Also that I called you, Guido, and Cirno town? Or my continued support of not lynching any of the monks as showcased by me dropping my issues with smallpeoples/Shion?

Feel free to read my 5k posts before deciding there's nothing in them.
Now vote Chevre.

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Thor your scum, give up. Really tiring.

Be happy I have a town read on you - you're easy as heck to get lynched.
What's your case on me as scum? Oh, yeah, "want's Chevre lynched...but can't explain why Chevre is obv. town"

I'd still like to see the Chevre=town case if you feel peppy.

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So...still no Chevre = town case other than "Thor = scum because Thor wants Chevre lynched...why is Thor scum, because Chvre is town"

Catch-22, it's a book you might want to check out.

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Unless I missed something, the Chevre case came out of a bit of a slip from listing two monks as potential scum. I don't like the fact that everyone jumped on him/her for that.

Do you pay more attention to the game when you are scum or town?

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Cirno vs. cjdrum still needs to stop.

@cjdrum - clarify your read on Chevre.

@Cirno - clarify how cjdrum is active lurking or link to where you already did.

The rest of the debate is silly and I would love to have it stop. We're lynching Chevre, or I'm going to get annoyed at this slop-fest and I'll help lynch cjdrum out of boredom.

@DK - if you are serious about Thorscum you do need to actually get a case out there on me. I'm so obviouslly pro-town and you're not regarded for brilliant gut cases that unless you put together a case you're functionally sidelining your vote for no purpose.

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When I'm announced town I'll point out that you need to work on being able to express your issues better, because it will help you sort out the bad ones.

Could you explain Chevre town yet? I really feel you've done a circular argument where I'm scum because I want to lynch town Chevre and Chevre is town because scum Thor wants to lynch him. It's a case built on no rational basis, and if you can't even get some vague words around your gut read than probably the gut read is pretty useless.

Also - what's your read on cjdrum?

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The tunneling with Cirno is two ways. He's, by far, the scummier of the two, but I feel like he's sort of ending up there for the same reasons you end up as lynch - unoptimal play, oddly/poorly worded posts, ect, ect. Other than the fact I inherently disagree with how he plays the game I'm not so sure cjdrum has really done much that is scummy - and that's a little shaky to do as a lynch at this stage.

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If we can get 1-2 more Scott votes I'd happily lynch him over Chevre.

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This is hilarious.

But other than his derpy venom at me, I agree with DK...of course I've already said almost everything he just said multiple times, but maybe hearing it from him will finally make the other town players notice they aren't playing well (or playing at all, rather).

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@Thor

: What are your complaints about Scott? And while we are at it, why do you dislike Yank?

For the record, I'm opposed to a Scott lynch.

PoE and gut.
I outlined them in my replace in post.

To continue growing it - Scott is pretty much the personification of active lurk today, he's playing cards close to his chest, not saying much, but keeping his vote out and aggressive. That's pretty much scum 101 right there, and he should greet some rope because of it.

Yank is mostly based on his past pushes and a general non pro-town feel to his play.

Why shouldn't we lynch Scott? You actually think he looks pro-town?

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I'd still be really happy with a Scott lynch.

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Chevre is on my list too, but unless you're going to self vote I was talking to everyone else.

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I have and will never self-vote.

In that case i was talking to everyone else - they should be getting on one of the two of you.

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Cjdrum is being replaced. 9 replacments. Is that a new record?

Shion and Yank have 1 Day left to reply to their prod. If not they are replaced.

If 9 isn't a record I bet 11 is

My very first Newbie on site had 9 which included the IC *and* the Mod - so I'll say that "wins"
11 would be pretty impressive though.

I do not understand why this game is flaking out so much - here's some easy advice to everyone to show them how to speed things up - fething vote somebody who already has 2-3 votes on them. (hint: vote Chevre or Scott)

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Chevre/Descent just voted a Mason while two mafia are still alive - can I get a what-what and please get some more votes on that wagon?

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Frankly, with the way town is playing I wouldn't mind the easy out. But let's stop joking and dodging the actual point;

Please look at Descent's last post and tell me that looks in any way like a town motivated post.

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And we're lynching ruddy Descent is some of you limp wrists would just vote already.

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@DK - the big difference is I'm not random lynching and lst game day you didn't have someone as awesome as me to sheep.
Also, this isn't random at all.
Also - I'm remembering this day next time you're whining about Day 1 play and claim people need to scumhunt like they do on Day 2 - you're not giving me anything to write home about. I am such an unintelligent lynch it's silly that you're on me like this. Open you eyes, pay attention to my case please, and then vote Descent.

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I don't like towns that never form a wagon so that last minute someone has to try to form a wagon.

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I don't have those reasons.
Nobody else does either.
I do think my case is the best case of any presented this Day Phase though.

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Because either;

1. He's town who isn't reading the game and has no sure idea of what he's doing.

2. He's scum. (who isn't reading the game)

Also, Cirno - maybe if you want a new wagon you should try to lead it?
Or, y'know, sheep me. i do have a beard in case you were unaware.

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Who do i want to lynch - Descent

Why? - for being Chevre (replacement does not change a slot's scumminess) Also, for making up reads *exactly* like Chevre did which is why I wanted to lynch Chevre in the first place. Also, PoE

Also would be happy lynching Scott.
Also feel I have said this all before.
Also hate deadline extension because of everyone being a lurk sack.
Also, love DK realizing we need movement after he's been kvetching about me trying to get movement for two weeks straight.
Also hate Cirno going useless and making me doubt my awesome town read of her out of annoyed frustration with all the uselessocity in this game.
Also, love replacements who immediately sheep me.
Also have a beard.

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Hey, Muffin, when you catch up remember to sheep me for more awesome awesomeness.

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Here
s the summary;

You, Guido, and DK have all claimed Monk or Mason, so you're not being lynched and we're testing how dumb the mafia/werewolf players are.
Cirno is prob. town, shes working hard to mess with it, but is still prob town for actually doing more scumhunting than about 2/3rds of the rest of town combined.
I'm obv. town (as always)

That leaves cjdrum (who has been called scum via derptitude...I'm neutral on that tell currently)
Yank - who is kinda opportunistic, but has scumhunted some and did have a defense period where he protected Guido so I'm not totally sold on lynching.
Than there's Scott, who has been useless, and Descent who (along with predecessor Chevre) has actually managed to be more useless than Scott (we're not sure how, but they did do this)

With a solid presumption of 3 scum available within four slots with one possible wildcard amongst the claimed - I am strongly in favor of lynching either Scott of Descent

Descent was "caught" because *both* he and Chevre have made a Werewolf suspect list containing both claimed Monks - this is suspect because...duh, someone's not reading, and to have someone else duplicate it sounds like scum just repeating the slot's previous suspects and hoping no one notices. Super gakky. Best defense is...can scum really be this bad? (yes, they can...but...)

Scott is top suspect because, and I hate to use this tell, he's better than this. He has been derping up a storm, has basically played the old "don't care about this game...but won't replace out" card, and is otherwise being generally unhelpful to town in a way that feels intentionally standoffish and stonewalling.

One of them should die and then we should sort over the remaining bodies in the morning and reassess reads.

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That's not what the title says...

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@Werewolves - what the frell?

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Yeah, mafia wins owes a lot to the werewolf nightkills. I was reasonably proud to absorb double kills - I was also proud to spot the smallpeoples+cirno connection, so it's probably a good thing I ended up dead (though frankly the wifom of the wolf kills might have confuzzeled me...but, I'd like to think I'd have puzzled out that derpyness).