Open 317 Masons & Monks (Game Over) Finished: September 8

[YankCane151]

vote: smallpeoples343

Vote for our replacement.

[YankCane151]

Chevre + VitaminR: What was the reasoning behind your two latest votes?

[YankCane151]

CSL: Teaming up with DCJ on the mod's comedic talents?

[YankCane151]

My vote is rather useless now. UNVOTE: BlackBerry

Are we even out of RVS yet? As useless as it is on someone, it's even moreso off someone, especially at this time...

[YankCane151]

Was that because I'm voting you already, or because I challenged you?

[YankCane151]

Rather both.

So OMGUS?

Also:

FightingShadown has a good point. For now,

FoS: DeityKabuto

I don't exactly get why you're FOSing only. You still have your vote just lying around and the non-commitalness of an FoS is convenient...

[YankCane151]

That back to back by FS and Chevre rubs me wrong considering they're voting the same person and that Chevre herself hasn't been here until things started picking up.

[YankCane151]

That back to back by FS and Chevre rubs me wrong considering they're voting the same person and that Chevre herself hasn't been here until things started picking up.

I've been sick and unwilling to do much of anything on this site the past few days.

Sorry to hear that, but it doesn't change the bandwagon/teaming vibe I got from that post.

[YankCane151]

Well, do you agree with what he had to say?

With what FS had to say? To an extent, yes. I see what DCJ is saying by not wanting to put down a vote, though I don't agree with the tactic and brought it up on smallpeoples in a similar manner. At most though, it's a null tell if he does end up scumhunting as he said.

[YankCane151]

[drunk]

Vote: Darkcoffeejazz

For being the last one that posted. Must be

mafia

. No idea what's going on in this game right now.

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Hmm, interestingly, Guido's drunk post has an actual werewolf slip in it.

Okay, let's go wit this.

Unvote, Vote: Guido Crescendo

The odd thing is he said he faked a 'perfectly good mafia slip' too. As you said though, it's actually really a werewolf thing to say that. He of course bandwagons later. Seems like he's just been joking around all game though that's null.

[YankCane151]

Well, do you agree with what he had to say?

With what FS had to say? To an extent, yes. I see what DCJ is saying by not wanting to put down a vote, though I don't agree with the tactic and brought it up on smallpeoples in a similar manner. At most though, it's a null tell if he does end up scumhunting as he said.

This almost instantly sounded like "Yes, I agree, but I also disagree, but look this guy is doing it too, but who cares it's a null tell?" Instead of answering the question, you seem to deflect it. Let me rephrase: Is what DCJ doing scummy?

No, I don't.

[YankCane151]

It'd say the same thing, you agreeing with FS. No, it wouldn't.

[YankCane151]

I would've been less likely to notice it, but I don't see the relevancy of that as to my opinion of you teaming there.

[YankCane151]

Interestingly enough, the one person on your bandwagon to hop off is giving me town reads (Cirno) while the other 3 are the shadiest besides smallpeoples (FS, Guido, Chevre.)

[YankCane151]

She has some coherent points and is asking questions of things and just analyzing the shady situation you had your vote, though I believe the issue is clarified. Still think Guido's bandwagoning is odd.

[YankCane151]

@DCJ: See #159.

Second half of #166 rubs me the wrong way. It's fence sitting and says as such "You're not scum, but you're better than nothing, but you're safe right now, so don't mind me."

Chevre: If it was just a vote for pressure why did you take it off? Is Deity cleared in your mind or not? Do you have other candidates to pressure?

[YankCane151]

Deity: Nothing wrong with pressure.

[YankCane151]

Well, do you agree with what he had to say?

With what FS had to say? To an extent, yes. I see what DCJ is saying by not wanting to put down a vote, though I don't agree with the tactic and brought it up on smallpeoples in a similar manner. At most though, it's a null tell if he does end up scumhunting as he said.

So you're talking about DCJ's tactics, I'm assuming. Right now, this game seems like it's a little dying. I'll go back and look for the more significant posts.

This was a couple of days ago. Thoughts now?

[YankCane151]

Hmm... I had accusations against me? Hmm... must have gone right through them. Feel free to ask again people.

I want you to answer #191.

[YankCane151]

why is everyone on different wagons o.o

The only real wagon seems to be Guido. Other than that, everyone else only has one vote (if they are being voted)

Is the fact that I'm the only one questioning you preventing you from answering #191? Or what?

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Well, do you agree with what he had to say?

With what FS had to say? To an extent, yes. I see what DCJ is saying by not wanting to put down a vote, though I don't agree with the tactic and brought it up on smallpeoples in a similar manner. At most though, it's a null tell if he does end up scumhunting as he said.

So you're talking about DCJ's tactics, I'm assuming. Right now, this game seems like it's a little dying. I'll go back and look for the more significant posts.

This was a couple of days ago. Thoughts now?

I was asking him this.

[YankCane151]

Well, by itself not putting down a vote isn't an automatic scumtell. DCJ has at least been contributing to the discussion more and being coherent. smallpeoples is not. He's got his vote on me and the only reason I can logically think of is because I voted him (until he tells me otherwise with anything resembling a case), but he's also put out a FoS for an actual reason, which doesn't click. Like I said in that post, not voting is really null if DCJ ended up scumhunting which he has enough to where I'm not that concerned as to his activity.

The Cirno-Deity thing is certainly suspicious now that I look back. Admittedly, I've had a small bit of tunnel vision on smallpeoples. I also realize that in this setup there will be teaming that is pro-town so I can't look at that soley as a scumtell.

Here's some more questions for Deity:

In #155 You said you were sure there are scum on your wagon. Who do you think it is?
In #157 You give us a 'scenario' where we can lynch someone on your wagon then use process of elimination and end up winning. What makes you think that strategy is viable? You appear now wanting to actually scumhunt and to just throw this game to luck. If the Masons/Monks die then your plan flies out the window and your post doesn't account for that.
#166 is kind of backtracky. "I'm not saying you're scum, but you probably are, at least better than a no lynch, but no worries because I'm not lynching you yet." wat? It looks like an appeal to her good side as well.
#170 I already covered by saying nothing wrong with pressure.
and the #231 re-vote is humorous due to you not paying attention.

[YankCane151]

Deity: I'm pushing your lynch by asking questions? You're overreacting a bit.

[YankCane151]

Actually the funny thing is that you suddenly don't think Guido, Fighting Shadow, and CSL (slot-wise) are scum anymore even though they were originally on your wagon, but I'm sure scum because I was questioning people(See: scumhunting) and DEFINITELY teams with Chevre by questioning her and not voting. I'm not following your logic.

[YankCane151]

Deity do you plan on acknowledging #263 and #264?

[YankCane151]

Tomie has a point which I don't think you fully adressed. I'm not even voting you(Still not, I'm still on smallpeoples who is still in lurker land >.>), just trying to get a read on you. Basically, why don't you think the rest of the people that were voting you are scum also? Not just "oh there's scum on my wagon" but by your logic they should be on your end-be-all scumlist.

"I do this, because scum always want town lynched, it's inevitable. In games, you will never see a scum try to get his partner lynched, and if the scum does do it, he does something like this "Vote: XXX, 1-2 days later Unvote; Vote: someone else || So later on, in the next day, he can say, well I suspected so and so, so you can't vote me haha or w.e"

Okay, but what does that have to do with asking questions being a scumtell to you?

"Your kind of right, the people who push on me get my attention more."

You weren't on them (Guido, CSL, FightingShadow slots) this hard when they were voting you.
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There's no need to completely overreact as town. It's odd because the wagon on you is even smaller than it was before but you appear to be under more pressure. Remember that if you are town that other townies don't know you're town and so questioning has to happen to clear your name.
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Tomie: As I said, I was suffering from a bit of tunnel vision regarding smallpeoples. It was just a combo of DCJ being more active(where I said, if it leads to him scumhunting then it's null) and smallpeoples active lurking that tipped the scales.

[YankCane151]

MOD: Did Blackberry pick up his/her prod? I haven't heard from him/her in a while.

[YankCane151]

Deity, do you realize that me and Chevre aren't the same person and that I haven't had my vote on you at all all game? You didn't address that post at all, you just stated reasons why you're against Chevre and not me.

[YankCane151]

I'm back!

For the Umpteenth time I want you to answer #191, and also #223. Don't post once every other day and think I'm going to let it fly.

Guido: wat? I'm voting smallpeoples because he's lurking. If anything he should be included in your list. VitaminR was afk for a while but I want to see what his re-read brings.

[YankCane151]

>Cirno doesn't realize that I have nothing to say
>Cirno also doesn't realize that I actually do know that
>Cirno needs to stop instantly assuming I'm retarded, thankyou very much

UH... cjdrum since you re-read the thread already, give me a list of 3 that you find most suspicious, and why.

It could help put me on the right track, since most of my suspects turnout fail.

Double this on cj's reads.

Also on the retrospect DCJ, what do you have to say about Guido's statement that you want to lynch him for the same thing Tomie is doing?

[YankCane151]

Well, do you agree with what he had to say?

With what FS had to say? To an extent, yes. I see what DCJ is saying by not wanting to put down a vote, though I don't agree with the tactic and brought it up on smallpeoples in a similar manner. At most though, it's a null tell if he does end up scumhunting as he said.

So you're talking about DCJ's tactics, I'm assuming. Right now, this game seems like it's a little dying. I'll go back and look for the more significant posts.

This was a couple of days ago. Thoughts now?

Not much. Happy?

As for #223, no, that was just me being lazy.

What? Man, I'm not even trying to paint you in a bad light or anything, but if you're town you should have at least SOME analysis about the game other than an Omgus vote. You can't just cruise and expect people to pass you by. I mean really, not much? What do you think of Deity, of Guido, of DCJ, of Cirno, anything, just scumhunt instead of active lurking or just replace out.

[YankCane151]

First of all, let's not be in such a rush to lynch. We still have a whole week to deadline, not 4 hours where we have to get a lynch in or else. Let's be rational here.

I Don't like #347 from Deity. It reeks of wagoning and as I said before, we still have a week to deadline, way more than enough time to build your case against cjdrum or whoever.

Guido: I'm pressuring smallpeoples into posting analysis because at this rate he's going to active lurk his way into the endgame.

VitaminR: Why do you think Deity is town?

[YankCane151]

^ And that's why Deity's #347 rubbed me the wrong way. Because he could've done that.

[YankCane151]

They are not the only two people we can lynch. We still have a week to decide, people.

[YankCane151]

Thanks, I believe you now.

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[YankCane151]

Deity: Which of the 2 do you think Guido is?

Also, could you give a better explanation to #347 than "I'm town?" I can't just take your word for it.

[YankCane151]

Why is cjdrum far from being lynched?

[YankCane151]

Even so, do we want to risk lynching a claimed PR day 1?

[YankCane151]

Yes, he could be scum, or by lynching him he flips town and we lose 1/2 of our power roles. Let's not treat Mason roles and Monk roles as confirmed scum anyways for the heck of it. If he's mafia, the wolves will take care of him anyways.

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The way I see it is this is the argument to lynching Guido here. Either you're sure he's scum(you being anyone wanting to lynch here btw), in which case, why not just let him live? The other faction will kill him AND that saves a townie's life ESPECIALLY if we also lynch a scum today. If you lynch mafia here, you do hit a mafia, but then you end up with the chance for two dead townies. Basically, if he's scum, he won't live to day 2 regardless, so why not go elsewhere with another scummy player?

[YankCane151]

Lol, Confirmed Monks and Masons late game can be huge if they're not scum(say for example, we kill one faction completely, then that'd confirm one side. They're a big deal once cleared.

[YankCane151]

What role could you possibly have that says Guido is Mafia Monk other than you being Mafia yourself?

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I just refuse to see the logic behind lynching a claimed monk because it'll save a townies' life even if he's mafia. I don't understand why people are still pushing when Guido isn't the only scummy person this game. Can all of you on his wagon honestly say he's confirmed scum?

[YankCane151]

Can YOU tell me why smallpeoples is activelurking?

[YankCane151]

It'd work better if other people would pressure him, but since I think he's very scummy, I don't find it useless.

[YankCane151]

Unvote

Alright then. Let me go back and see.

[YankCane151]

I AM NEITHER MASON NOR MAFIA,

UNVOTE; VOTE CIRNO

THIS IS FOR PROVOKING ME TO CLAIM, BECAUSE NORMALLY I WOULD CLAIM AND CLAIMS ONLY BENEFIT SCUM EVEN IF I WAS VT, THEN SCUM WOULD KNOW WHO NOT TO LYNCH SINCE THEY TARGET MASONS AND PRS.

So, if you're not Mason, Mafia, or Werewolf, then how do you know Guido is for sure a mafia monk? (You can't be monk because they already claimed.)

[YankCane151]

If Guido can't be lynched (no, I don't care about his claim), cjdrum or smallpeoples are good enough.

VOTE: cjdrum

DK is either 1) lying or 2) misunderstanding a role pm as a monk/mason.

@Scott: Is that a vote for a policy lynch or is that a vote for behavior you find scummy?

Neither.

Guido is either Monk and Werewolve of Monk and Mafia.

He can't be just Monk.

Here would be one. Couple more times on your ISO too.

[YankCane151]

If Guido can't be lynched (no, I don't care about his claim), cjdrum or smallpeoples are good enough.

VOTE: cjdrum

DK is either 1) lying or 2) misunderstanding a role pm as a monk/mason.

@Scott: Is that a vote for a policy lynch or is that a vote for behavior you find scummy?

Neither.

Guido is either Monk and Werewolve of Monk and Mafia.

He can't be just Monk.

Here would be one. Couple more times on your ISO too.

Yea or Mafia, I didnt just say Monk and Werewolf.

Anyways, Guido is either VT or scum.

Why do you think he'd be a VT? Basically, I assume you don't believe his Monk claim(which smallpeoples backed up)?

[YankCane151]

@DK:
You are not a monk.
You claim not to be a mason.
You claim not to be a werewolf.
You claim not to be mafia.
Therefore, you can only be vanilla town. You are claiming that the role PM of a vanilla townie gives you insight into Guido's role. You are lying. Why are you lying, DK?

Role fishing more?

I will not say anything about my role, you may be right that I am VT, YOU MAY WRONG. BUT IF I TELL YOU MY ROLE, SCUM WILL KNOW WHO TO LYNCH AND WHO NOT TO LYNCH.

Did you read what Cirno said? Even if you say VT, scum can still drive a lynch on you. Scum just want to make it out of the day alive, they can kill their own choices at night. At this point Cirno isn't rolefishing when you basically have claimed VT by ruling out every other possibility. Fact of the matter is, if you're trying to hide VT, you're doing a bad job of it.

[YankCane151]

But you have already given hints.

[YankCane151]

Vote: DeityKabuto

Answer those questions. Answer any questions for once. Realize we aren't as omniscent as you apparently are.

[YankCane151]

No-Lynch is almost never pro-town.

[YankCane151]

Unvote, Vote: YankCane

I'm up for lynching any of Scott Brosius, Chevre, and YankCane. This Deity pressure stinks to high heavens.

I am up for this, there are about 5-7 people I suspect but I can't pick one.

Unvote
Vote: YankCane

Yank's play style is also a bit suspicious "QUESTION, Pressure, QUESTION MORE, *more pressure * faints

The tunneling with cjdrum and Cirno is suspicious.

The people on my wagon are suspicious.

zzz...

Sorry, questions are suspicious?

Still haven't answered those you said you were by the way. You've obviously had time because you've been posting all day.

[YankCane151]

Unvote, Vote: YankCane

I'm up for lynching any of Scott Brosius, Chevre, and YankCane. This Deity pressure stinks to high heavens.

I am up for this, there are about 5-7 people I suspect but I can't pick one.

Unvote
Vote: YankCane

Yank's play style is also a bit suspicious "QUESTION, Pressure, QUESTION MORE, *more pressure * faints

The tunneling with cjdrum and Cirno is suspicious.

The people on my wagon are suspicious.

zzz...

Sorry, questions are suspicious?

Still haven't answered those you said you were by the way. You've obviously had time because you've been posting all day.

sorry it got off my mind, but now you are avoiding my question

Yes, a whole 1 minute after your post I failed to see your question. (I didn't see it while posting)

Unlike you, I will answer the question. Am I 100% sure? No. But in lynching the scummiest player it not only allows us to analyze bandwagoning, distancing, teaming, etc., but if they are indeed scum(because we are all voting our target who we believe has the best chance of being scum), then we get that and more. The other side of a no-lynch is that basically we end up with nothing but 1-2 dead townies in the morning, Unless we want to play the hoping game where we hope the scum just eliminate themselves.

Don't dodge your own questioning while blaming me for an asinine thing. Chevre is bringing up valid points against you, She's trying to explain to you that "I'm town"(DCJ also brought this up) is not a defense enough to make you 100% confirmed town. Dancing around questions won't help your case. Just do something here.

VitaminR: Are you positive you find DK as just a frustrated(never been that much vote pressure on him, just questions he hasn't answered which in turn has led me to vote him to provoke answers), confused(He said himself he already has a magical confirmed town list handy on him), and paranoid(I'll give you that one )? You don't think it could be a play? Or that everything is really just as it seems and he's just a newby scum?

[YankCane151]

Heh, just realize you also avoided one of my questions (So now, asking questions is suspicious (rough paraphrase)) in that same post that you called me out on avoiding yours.

[YankCane151]

VitR: Answer me in #630 please?

[YankCane151]

Should I start a postcount on number of posts DK has posted since saying he'll answer the questions? I think we're around 4 or 5 now.

[YankCane151]

Wrong, check #630.

[YankCane151]

Nah, we're not. Chevre's 3 different avatars over the course of Day 1 may have confused you.

[YankCane151]

I can't really find many partnerships looking through BB's ISO. He mentioned Cirno early as town then later as scum, but he was mostly over DCJ the whole time. He was also after CJ to an extent. It's just a matter of how much you want to trust Werewolf opinions because in this setup scum needs to scumhunt to an extent too. Not sure what to make of it yet.

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Mod: If tomorrow or any day comes down to 2 Mafia, 1 Werewolf, and 1 Townie, is that an autowin for Mafia?

[YankCane151]

Right, that makes it a bit more vital that we hit mafia today.

[YankCane151]

Right, right. I'll go back to smallpeoples for now.

vote: Smallpeoples343

[YankCane151]

Masons can still be werewolves as Monks can still be mafia, but I don't see a connection between you and BB so I Believe the claim for now.

[YankCane151]

He wasn't answering questions early on and was lurking, I never made an official case though.

[YankCane151]

Yes. Monks CANNOT Be Werewolves, but CAN Be Mafia. On the flipside, Masons CANNOT Be Mafia, but CAN be werewolves.

[YankCane151]

Literally anyone who has any suspicion on you deserves a vote?

Again there is no point in lynching DK today. If he is alive tomorrow he must die.

What exactly is the difference between today and tomorrow?

[YankCane151]

Then wouldn't the mafia just leave him alive to mislynch him?

[YankCane151]

I'm just wondering because Brosius said you'd die if you were alive tomorrow.

[YankCane151]

Prod picked up. I'd like to see Cj's reasoning also.

[YankCane151]

For the umpteenth time DK, Mason doesn't totally clear you.

[YankCane151]

Sorry, haven't been getting into the flow of today, I'm going to re-read and catch up.

[YankCane151]

DK: Why do you have such a strong Town read on Chevre?


(I've yet to decide about Chevre, but will yet you all know as soon as I do)

What purpose does this have? He's a mason, but if he's a wolf, his partner is dead anyways. Also that parentheses gives me the gist of "I'll decide when the wagon grows a bit"