Open 317 Masons & Monks (Game Over) Finished: September 8

[cjdrum]

vote: CSL

Can't decide between not wanting to start, and being eager? BIGGEST. SCUMTELL. EVAR. (maybe)

[cjdrum]

Urm...

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It means Blackberry. The player with a post two posts above yours.

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The, uh... player who said BB.

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@Mod: DeityKabuto's name is DeityKabuto. Not Diety.

This goes for the rest of you, too

[cjdrum]

Hi! This is a post while I read stuff!

[cjdrum]

cjdrum <- I've played two games with him, he was inactive and scum in both

Ahem.
I've only been scum at MS

once

.

unvote: Cirno
vote: DeityKabuto

Pushing for an easy lynch, etc.

Also, I am suspicion of Cirno. I have no idea how many times ze has changed a list of four people to lead the town, as if like sheep.
Taking advantage of town following any reads anyone gives? Badbadbad.


Ninja'd - wait, do we have separate definitions of "confirmed"? I'm not scum, so you can't be 100% sure of me being scum.
Maybe it's hard for me to post here? Maybe you're all so serious about whatever the hell you're talking about that I can't input my thoughts. Maybe some people need to think, rather than generalize.
Thankyou.

[cjdrum]

You said I was scum in two games with you?
Check my games.

Scum in Open 307. Town in the rest.

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Cirno:

1. If I'm confirmed scum, then there

is

something to be gained from voting me - lynching a scum, duh.
2. USE THE FREAKIN' QUOTE TAGS! It is

extremely

hard to get what's happening on the first read-through of your posts. It looks, on first glance, like you're having a freaking conversation between two sides of yourself!

[cjdrum]

Ironically, me.

Here, a translation. I think.

1. If I'm confirmed scum, then there

is

something to be gained from voting me - lynching a scum, duh.

It's almost as if you are just looking for something to attack rather than actually reading my post. Also, you still haven't answered my questions.

USE THE FREAKIN' QUOTE TAGS! It is

extremely

hard to get what's happening on the first read-through of your posts. It looks, on first glance, like you're having a freaking conversation between two sides of yourself!

This is implying you going to be around long enough for it to matter.

Cirno: Which questions? I'll read back and see what you mean, but maybe a friendly nudge towards them please?

Also, uh... If you don't vote for me, then I

will

be around for a lot longer.
Make your mind up. Do you want me gone as soon as possible, or do you just want to leave a hanging vote on a hydra?

[cjdrum]

Dammit, why am I voting for DeityKabuto?

UNVOTE

Cirno, let me quote and answer your questions in the next post.

[cjdrum]

1.Who is the best lynch right now?
2.You claim I was sheeping, please give an example.
3.You claim I repeatedly changed my list of scum, please give an example.
4.Why weren't you posting even though you were reading the thread?
5.What do you hope to accomplish by insisting I vote you?

1. Best lynch right now is... Well, with a week left available in the day, you can't say X is the best lynch. To lynch someone

right now

is crappy, limits discussion, whatever.
2. Not sheeping. Herding. You posted nice long analysis-looking posts, which Town just subliminally follows.
3. Okay, the posts where you gave your reads:

• #136:
  Yank, Dark, Fighting, BlackBerry
  ;
  Guido
  ;
  Chevre
  ;
  VitaminR
  ;
  All else
  
  
• #151:
  cjdrum
  
  
• #154:
  Chevre
  
  
• #160: Questions about
  cjdrum
  ,
  Guido
  , and
  YankCane
  ?
  
• #195: Questions
  Guido
  ,
  smallpeoples
  and
  cjdrum
  
  
• #242:
  cjdrum
  ,
  Guido
  ,
  smallpeoples
  ,
  Chevre

How many times do you want to suddenly add people? Also, questioning two believed scum and one probably town? Why would you do that? That's what threw me off.
4. Because I wasn't.
5. I wasn't telling you to vote for me, I was just saying that it was odd that you weren't. If I'm

confirmed

scum, then you could lynch me today and question Guido tomorrow.



ALSO: In #244, you say that the purpose of scum hunting is to find someone to vote?
You found me, yet did not vote me.
You voted me, THEN questioned Guido.
This is not what you said.

FIXED

[cjdrum]

Fixing tags.

1.Who is the best lynch right now?
2.You claim I was sheeping, please give an example.
3.You claim I repeatedly changed my list of scum, please give an example.
4.Why weren't you posting even though you were reading the thread?
5.What do you hope to accomplish by insisting I vote you?

1. Best lynch right now is... Well, with a week left available in the day, you can't say X is the best lynch. To lynch someone

right now

is crappy, limits discussion, whatever.
2. Not sheeping. Herding. You posted nice long analysis-looking posts, which Town just subliminally follows.
3. Okay, the posts where you gave your reads:

• #136:
  Yank, Dark, Fighting, BlackBerry
  ;
  Guido
  ;
  Chevre
  ;
  VitaminR
  ;
  All else
  
  
• #151:
  cjdrum
  
  
• #154:
  Chevre
  
  
• #160: Questions about
  cjdrum
  ,
  Guido
  , and
  YankCane
  ?
  
• #195: Questions
  Guido
  ,
  smallpeoples
  and
  cjdrum
  
  
• #242:
  cjdrum
  ,
  Guido
  ,
  smallpeoples
  ,
  Chevre

How many times do you want to suddenly add people? Also, questioning two believed scum and one probably town? Why would you do that? That's what threw me off.
4. Because I wasn't.
5. I wasn't telling you to vote for me, I was just saying that it was odd that you weren't. If I'm

confirmed

scum, then you could lynch me today and question Guido tomorrow.



ALSO: In #244, you say that the purpose of scum hunting is to find someone to vote?
You found me, yet did not vote me.
You voted me, THEN questioned Guido.
This is not what you said.

[cjdrum]

>Cirno doesn't realize that I have nothing to say
>Cirno also doesn't realize that I actually do know that
>Cirno needs to stop instantly assuming I'm retarded, thankyou very much

[cjdrum]

>1. Best lynch right now is... Well, with a week left available in the day, you can't say X is the best lynch. To lynch someone

right now

is crappy, limits discussion, whatever.

If you play with wording like that, I'm just gonna reword the question. If deadline was right now, who would you vote and why?

Either Guido or nobody, because voting for anybody else right on deadline with these votes would be useless.

>2. Not sheeping. Herding. You posted nice long analysis-looking posts, which Town just subliminally follows.

Huh? Why is posting "nice long analysis-looking posts' scummy?

*

sigh

*
Doing stuff is Townie. Looking like you're doing stuff is scummy. In your read posts, you've given little to no reasoning, but have fleshed the post out so it looks better.

>How many times do you want to suddenly add people?

Why is it scummy to find more people scummy as the day progresses? How many times do you believe is acceptable to add a new suspect in a single day?

You're allowed to add people. I just don't like the

suddenness

of it. It comes out of the blue, basically - they say maybe one or two things, and you say "they are definitely scum".

>Also, questioning two believed scum and one probably town? Why would you do that? That's what threw me off.

...Please tell me why anyone

wouldn't

do that. Questioning people is mafia 101. And you don't just ignore someone because you believe they are town.

Yes, but you don't ask a single question to two people you believe are Mafia and one you believe is Town. That's just plain stupid - especially if the "Town" player answers first.

>4. Because I wasn't.

But you were browsing central park. You don't have any games other than this one in central park. What were you doing? Keep in mind, even if you lie and say you weren't in central park because I can't prove it, denying this is proof of your guilt to me. Also, you were posting in mishmash. If you claim that you weren't reading the game, then why were you

ignoring

the game?

I was reading the game.
I was not posting in the game because I wasn't.

>5. I wasn't telling you to vote for me, I was just saying that it was odd that you weren't. If I'm

confirmed

scum, then you could lynch me today and question Guido tomorrow.

Why should I have immediately voted a lurker instead of keeping my vote on another person I find scummy who is actually around to be pressured?

Um... You said that I was definitely scum before I was back, then again a few times after. I was around to be questioned the second time at least.
After I was "around to be pressured" again, why didn't you vote for me?
Also, I'm getting the strangest distancing feeling from your "I'm voting Guido for pressure" - he currently has the most votes. He is most likely to be lynched. If you did not want him lynched, DON'T BLOODY VOTE FOR HIM WHEN HE'S GOT THE MOST VOTES ALREADY!

Why should I wait until tomorrow to question Guido, even if I believe you are confirmed scum?

Impatient scum. Awkward.

>In #244, you say that the purpose of scum hunting is to find someone to vote?
>You found me, yet did not vote me.
>You voted me, THEN questioned Guido.
>This is not what you said.

The purpose of scum hunting is to find scum, i.e. someone to vote. However, Finding one person scummy does not exclude you from questioning or voting someone else. Rather, you keep scum hunting to find either a better vote or the rest of the scum. Why shouldn't I pressure one person, even if I believe another is more likely scum? Why would changing my vote have been more pro-town?

You used the word "confirmed". You don't get any scummier than that. Your argument is invalid.

Also, please give me your thoughts on the following people: Guido, smallpeoples, chevre, dk, darkcoffee.

Guido has the most votes on him. Not entirely sure why.
smallpeoples doesn't have so many votes. You find him scummy. This makes me find him Towny.
Chevre's supposed scumminess I don't get at all.
DeityKabuto is Town.
DCJ is contributing, so looking pretty good.


Finally, because of Ye Olde reason "I found someone scummy":

vote: Cirno

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Again, wall - skip to the big-fonted section if you don't want to read it. Cirno: read it, dammit.

Doing stuff is Townie. Looking like you're doing stuff is scummy. In your read posts, you've given little to no reasoning, but have fleshed the post out so it looks better.

Please choose one of my posts that you feel falls into the latter category and explain why you feel it does.

#136 - simply saying "Yank,Dark,Fighting,Blackberry are town.
" and "Guido is scum" is NOT analysis.
Post #154 - again, mentions a whole bunch of people, ending with "Chevre is now 'scum' rather than 'leaning scum'". Why you think Chevre scum isn't reasoned there at all, but someone skimming the thread could look at your post, see a whole bunch of names and be happy with it looking analysis-y.
Post #242 - mentions a whole bunch of people in the first section, then lists four people you believe are scum. See note for #154.

[quote="cjdrum"You're allowed to add people. I just don't like the

suddenness

of it. It comes out of the blue, basically - they say maybe one or two things, and you say "they are definitely scum".

You do realize that the two people I added, yourself and smallpeoples, weren't added suddenly because of one or two posts, but because they were lurking and/or active lurking over long periods of time, right?[/quote] What about Chevre? Sure, I was lurking, smallpeoples was lurking, but you suddenly changed Chevre from "leaning scum" to "definitely scum" - why?

Yes, but you don't ask a single question to two people you believe are Mafia and one you believe is Town. That's just plain stupid - especially if the "Town" player answers first.

I don't actually see a problem with that. But I don't seem to have ever addressed the same question to two people i find scum, and one person I believe is town at once. Can you show me where you see that? Or are you just trying to attack without reading the thread?

In Post #160, you ask Chevre for her reads on Guido (who you believed was scum), smallpeoples (who was still null according to you), and me (who you believed was scum). That's ridiculous. I don't get why you would do that, as we have no connections - Guido and I you thought were scum, or smallpeoples and I were lurking... But there's no common trend.
Also, in Post #195, you question Guido, smallpeoples and myself. Same thing here, except slightly more useless.

I was reading the game.I was not posting in the game because I wasn't.

You weren't posting in the game because you are scum and wanted to slip by.

No, I wasn't posting in the game because I just wasn't. I just didn't post. That's all.

After I was "around to be pressured" again, why didn't you vote for me?

I actually did vote you when you showed that your presence would be consistent.

Yeah... I had five recent posts when you voted for me. That was in the space of 24 hours. A burst of not-really-very-many posts isn't consistency.

I'm getting the strangest distancing feeling from your "I'm voting Guido for pressure" - he currently has the most votes. He is most likely to be lynched. If you did not want him lynched, DON'T BLOODY VOTE FOR HIM WHEN HE'S GOT THE MOST VOTES ALREADY!

I'd like to bring your attention to exhibit A

"Also, honestly, I really would rather lynch [Guido]. [Guido's] wagon would provide more information than that of a lurker and [Guido is] more dangerous to keep around for another day."

Further evidence you are more concerned with attacking your attacker than actually reading the game.

I'd like to bring your attention to exhibit B:

If your argument is "you should only vote for the person you most believe is scum", then I can only say I disagree. I am more concerned with [Guido] right now and so my vote is going to remain there.

Tell me what's wrong here. Not really that hard...
Exhibit B and A contradict each other!
If Guido is dangerous to keep around, then he's likely scum*, according to you. But if you only want to lynch him to find information - 1: There's already a whole lot of information there, and 2: He mustn't be dangerous.
_{*Either that or he's too Towny, and you as scum have to get rid of him?}

Impatient scum. Awkward.

Impatient.... to question people? Also, you are gonna have to explain why it is more pro-town to wait another day to question Guido.

Not more pro-Town. It's only that it's anti-Town that you can't wait. Why is tomorrow different from today? Sure, there'll be three less people, but if Guido's still there you can question him then. If he's not, then he's dead anyway. See what I mean?

Why shouldn't I pressure one person, even if I believe another is more likely scum? Why would changing my vote have been more pro-town?

Your argument is invalid

In order words... you can't actually answer the questions, can you?

Erm. You said I was "confirmed" scum. Not "more likely [than Guido]" - "confirmed". As I said directly before the quoted section - "

You used the word 'confirmed' [referring to me]. You don't get any scummier [reads] than that.

"
Of course you can pressure someone when you think someone else is

more likely

scum. However, when someone is

confirmed

scum, it's different. You lost the context completely.
Question: Why did you neglect

that part

of my post?

Either Guido or nobody, because voting for anybody else right on deadline with these votes would be useless.
Finally, because of Ye Olde reason "I found someone scummy": vote: Cirno

TL;DR - You imply that a no lynch is acceptable. You admit you were reading the thread but not posting. You've not actually read my posts, but still try to attack me. You resort to "impatient scum" and "your argument is invalid" when you can't answer a question. You claim voting anyone other than Guido at this point in pointless, but contradict yourself by voting me.

No, I didn't. Where did I say a no lynch is acceptable?
Yes, I was reading the thread and not posting.
Yes, I

have

read your posts, and I am seriously doubting you're bothering to read mine.
When I can't

be bothered

answering an

irrelevant

question, yes.
I never claimed that. I said that if deadline was

rightnow

, then voting for anybody except Guido would be stupid. Is it deadline rightnow? NO. I believe you are scum, so I voted for you. Right on deadline, with these votes, voting for anybody except Guido would be stupid.
I remember writing that somewhere... Oh yeah! AT THE START OF THE POST YOU PULLED APART.

Cirno, you are twisting my words. You quote my posts, but leave out the vital bits that answer the questions you ask while quoting. You delete sentences while quoting a paragraph, then call the remaining stuff scummy.
This is why I think you are scum.

@Players: Compare Cirno's quotes with my posts for yourself. See what I'm saying.

[cjdrum]

This is gonna get impossible to follow soon, so let's organize things a bit. The "you" referred to below is

cjdrum

if that isn't already obvious.

You have three main arguments against me:
1.That questioning a wide range of people is scummy.

Wrong. Grouping together three people whom you have completely different reads on.

2.That questioning and voting Guido over you (who I referred to as confirmed scum) is scummy.

Yes.

3.That I haven't been explaining my reads.

Yes.

The first argument is worthless because there is no reason why questioning any combination of players, even if they share no "common trends", is scummy or anti-town, especially when said question is "Who do you find scummiest?".

What about asking Chevre "What do you think of X, Y and Z?" - that is not "Who do you find scummiest?".

The second argument is worthless because there was no benefit in voting a person who had not posted in

9 days

. And when you did begin posting (on july 9th) I voted you (on july 10th). Note that you only stopped lurking after I called you confirmed scum for lurking. Also, I never wanted to lynch Guido purely for information (In fact, he was the first person I called scummy and never changed that read) and "I prefer lynching Guido over my top scum read" and "I disagree that you can only vote your top scum read" are not contradictory.

This is saying nothing.

The third argument is worthless because you don't have a single valid example to back up the argument. While I didn't explain my reads in my initial post, I explained them when asked. My read of Chevre went from "leaning scum" to "scum" after a lengthy argument when he refused to explain his vote. My reads of cjdrum and smallpeoples were explained in the same post in which they were made. Yes, that very post you just linked to.

Explained... In a sentence or two. Maybe. If you can link me to anything with any substance, that'd be great.
It's a bit hard to give an example of something not happening, Cirno, so give me an example of that thing happening.

Also, about your "questioning Guido is anti-town because he'll still be around tomorrow or he won't be". That shit was dumb. Real dumb.

Please explain. Honestly, I don't see what's wrong with what I said, so simply saying it is "dumb" is not helpful.

I've two main arguments against you (cjdrum).

1.Blatant lurking. Posting in mishmash while ignoring the thread. Reading the thread and not posting for what you claim is no reason. Responding to a prod and immediately going back to lurking. Active lurking when he finally begins to post.

ACTIVE LURKING WHEN I FINALLY BEGIN TO POST? What is wrong with you? Where was I active lurking, on or after July 9?

2. OMGUS.

When?

Immediately appearing upon being called scummy for lurking to attack your attacker.

Yes, I immediately appeared, but not simply to attack the attacker.

Refusing to explain why behavior you believe is scummy

is

scummy with phrases like "Your argument is irrelevant", "impatient scum", and most recently by calling the questions irrelevant.

"Who would you vote for if deadline was now" is irrelevant. If deadline was now, Guido would be lynched and it'd be futile to do anything against it.

Attacking me for things like changing my read of Chevre despite my argument with her,

Ohh, that, like, 5 post argument? That

definitely

makes Chevre scum. [/sarcasm]

keeping my vote on Guido despite your 9 day absence,

I never had any problems with this. I had a problem with you not voting me, or explaining why you were not voting me, after I came back.

and

questioning multiple people

despite the fact that that is how you play the fucking game.

DON'T FUCKING TAKE PHRASES OF MY POSTS OUT OF CONTEXT.

Dropping the No Lynch thing. I took "Guido or Noone" to mean "I would vote for Guido or I would vote for a no lynch".

I NEVER SAID THIS!

And that second last paragraph of that second quoted post? THAT is OMGUS. "Finding me scummy because of X, Y and Z is scummy"...

Bloody hell.

[cjdrum]

Also: How about

you

read

my

post, and ANSWER

MY

FUCKING QUESTION?

[cjdrum]

Don't know what you mean by that "And that second last paragraph..." line. Can you explain?

This:

2. OMGUS. Immediately appearing upon being called scummy for lurking to attack your attacker. Refusing to explain why behavior you believe is scummy

is

scummy with phrases like "Your argument is irrelevant", "impatient scum", and most recently by calling the questions irrelevant. Attacking me for things like changing my read of Chevre despite my argument with her, keeping my vote on Guido despite your 9 day absence, and

questioning multiple people

despite the fact that that is how you play the fucking game.

Is scummy. Calling me scummy because I find you scummy? Seriously.

Why is cjdrum far from being lynched?

Why are you not voting me if you want me lynched?


I would like to see any flip. Guido's would probably be useful, but I want Cirno lynched. Just for the sake of fairness, can somebody else read through Cirno's posts?

CIRNO: Read this post. Answer my question.

And you accuse me of not reading your posts or answering your questions...

[cjdrum]

@cjdrum: Just repost the question.

No.

Read my post.

[cjdrum]

Okay, whatever. It's in a different colour, and I accidentally mixed the quote tags around so it says that you said it, in reply to what I wrote. Really it was the other way around.


Ninja'd - Guido is (most likely) a Monk, so statistically he's more likely to be Town than the rest of us. I'm not sure, though, because I am neither a Monk or a Mafia.

[cjdrum]

I do believe his claim, but I think he's Mafia . . .

But, in the interests of not quickhammering...
*

glare

*
... I'm not going to vote for him right now.

[cjdrum]

Answer: It's Cirno. I doubt it.

[cjdrum]

I know for a fact that your IQ is less than what my thermostat is currently set at.

Celsius or Fahrenheit?
Warmish or coolish?

[cjdrum]

What the.

CIRNO, please explain to me exactly what you've meant when you mention the word "lurking" against me. You accused me of active lurking a while back, and I asked you what exactly you were referring to, and it was ignored.

Guys, Cirno is not reading my posts. Then she accuses me of not reading hers. When she does have to read and/or quote my posts, she ignores and leaves out anything that will work against her.
Cirno is also twisting my words. A thousand times she has said that I suggested a No Lynch - which was absolutely wrong. Not voting with 3-4 votes on someone already does not make a No Lynch.

Cirno, if you are Town, do the opposite of the things that you have told me is scummy. Bloody hell.

[cjdrum]

I know what it

is

. Tell me what I did and when I did it.

When was I active lurking on or after July 9?

Wait, I remember posting that too!

You didn't drop it very well. You mean this post? I thought you were saying that I dropped it (like a bomb, maybe) - it was in your "why I am suspicious of you" post.


Please stop saying I am not reading your posts. I am. You're pretty hard to understand a lot of the time.
Also, until you prove that you are reading my posts - FULLY - I'm going to call you accusing me of not reading your posts scummy.

[cjdrum]

Not gonna waste time arguing with you about the reading/not reading nonsense or whether "I'm dropping that" is a good or bad way to drop a subject.

As for active lurking, basically every one of your posts that doesn't have to do with me attacking you is active lurking. You haven't done a single useful thing all game other than attack the person calling you out

in the scummiest way possible

.

FTFY


Also, how is it my fault that nobody else is posting very much for me to comment on?

[cjdrum]

As scum or town? Let me get them.

[cjdrum]

TOWN

• Newbie 1063
  
• Newbie 1082
  
• Newbie 1101
  
• Open 307

SCUM

• Open 302

[cjdrum]

/me likes how Cirno and Chevre are both calling each other "he"

[cjdrum]

Also:

not reaching a majority of votes during that time will result in a no lynch.

I'm not happy with a DK lynch, but if that's what it comes to I'd rather that than a NL.


Can someone please look at the whole Cirno<-->me thing please? I feel like I'm just being stupid finding Cirno scummy when nobody comments on it with more than one vague sentence.



(also, reading back, Mist said we can get an extension of at most 3 days if someone is at L-4 [three votes] - do we want that?)

[cjdrum]

Also:

(also, reading back, Mist said we can get an extension of at most 3 days if someone is at L-4 [three votes] - do we want that?)

Also: DCJ has three votes.

[cjdrum]

What the...

(also, reading back, Mist said we can get an extension of at most 3 days if someone is at L-4 [three votes] - do we want that?)

Also, also: DCJ has three votes.

[cjdrum]

Unofficial Vote Count:

cjdrum - 1 - (Cirno) (L-6)
YankCane151 - 2 - (VitaminR, smallpeoples343) (L-5)
Guido Crescendo - 1 - (Tomie Uzumaki) (L-6)
Darkcoffeejazz - 3 - (BlackBerry, Guido Crescendo, Scott Brosius) (L-4)
DeityKabuto - 2 - (Chevre, YankCane151) (L-5)
Cirno - 1 - (cjdrum) (L-6)

No Lynch - 1 - (DeityKabuto) (L-6)

Not Voting: Darkcoffeejazz



So... Same as previous, with one vote change

[cjdrum]

Even though he is a Monk, he

could

be Mafia.

If he were Mafia, that would be a great incentive to claim Monk - so people think "Monk == Town" of him.
It's a possibility, however unlikely.

I myself will agree that smallpeoples is at least 75% confirmed Town.


(9/10 chance to NOT be the first Mafioso out of {all minus Mafia}, 8/9 to NOT be the second = about 75%)

[cjdrum]

Don't ask me who I was talking to in that post please

[cjdrum]

I, uh... Wow. I feel enlightened.

And a whole lot safer knowing that we're a lot less likely to not No Lynch.

UNVOTE: Cirno
VOTE: Darkcoffeejazz

Also, to add to that, that claiming that he had no Fs in his username? Scumscumscum.

[cjdrum]

btw, you're doing nearly as well as DK is in conveying who is Town and Scum.

It's not exactly hard to click Quote and add that tagline. If you'd like, I could go and do the same thing to any player's posts in the game. Would it matter? No, because it's just a stupid tagline, right down there with "I am Town don't lynch me".

[cjdrum]

I now see where Guido is coming from.
I hadn't previously.

We need a lynch by tomorrow (or for 4 days from now).
No other wagons are kicking off, so...

[cjdrum]

What the fu...

I only voted DCJ because WE NEEDED A LYNCH. Why me over anybody else?


(also, I like how Werewolves killed a Mason [who they don't care about], and Mafia killed a Werewolf [which helps us more than anything else])

[cjdrum]

1. There's no Cop here, if that's what you're saying
2. You still haven't explained how your role tells you all these things
3. You didn't answer the question anyway

[cjdrum]

Two things:

You still haven't explained how your role tells you all these things

You didn't answer the question anyway

Why me, and not smallpeoples or Scott Brosius?
(the others are either dead or claimed, so what about these two?)

And what about Cirno? She was definitely around to help with getting a lynch for D1, yet left her vote on me. Distancing, maybe?
And, DK... Chevre and YankCane, what do you think of their votes?

[cjdrum]

Chevre and YankCane are in a similar boat to Cirno in that respect, IMHO.

Also, smallpeoples' vote post said nothing. It was literally

UNVOTE: VOTE: DCJ

So, DK. More explanation of why me, please.


As for your "role fishing" thing, too... Not lynching is nearly never a good idea. DCJ was the only person that the general consensus seemed to be okay with lynching, so that's what happened. If we hadn't have lynched, we would still be guessing at DCJ's interactions with people (e.g. Blackberry), because we wouldn't know his role.

[cjdrum]

I cannot express in words how stupid I believe waiting for scummy people to be nk'd is.

lol

...Wanna help me get a flip then?

DK, even if it was a scumtell, who said this? That's right. Not me.

Also, about your "questioning Guido is anti-town because he'll still be around tomorrow or he won't be". That shit was dumb. Real dumb.

lol


Also, main push for DCJ's lynch == Guido Crescendo. Jus' sayin'.

[cjdrum]

#285 is the first serious mention of DCJ being scum, slightly
#327 is slightly more straight up
#395 is instantly into "DCJ==scum" territory
#463 encourages BB to vote DCJ, too...
THIS.

Thing is, the most likely place I would put him is as a Werewolf (due to BB interactions), but he's claimed Monk (with a confirm from the other), so...

I don't think I, personally, like the idea of a Guido lynch. I was mainly just saying why you had it wrong

[cjdrum]

I only voted DCJ because WE NEEDED A LYNCH.

Called it. Let the shirking of responsibility begin. Also, didn't you say you voted DCJ because Guido's case "enlightened" you, that you "now see where Guido is coming from"?

Guido showed me that DCJ could actually be "voteable". We needed to have a lynch, because not lynching is only really a good idea in MyLo situations.

Add "immediately trying to deflect responsibility for his vote on anybody else the second he is voted" to the reasons cjdrum is scum.

VOTE: cjdrum

I never deflected the responsibility of my vote onto anyone. I take full responsibility for my vote; I was just pointing out to DK where he got it wrong. Hence the "Jus' sayin'".

Also, you are gonna have to explain two things:
1.Why is it scummy to not vote for a person I have called town from the moment I replaced in?

Did I say that?

2.Why is any quote in 706 scummy?

I never said that. I just thought they were laden with irony.

Is english your first language? I'm asking this seriously, not as an insult.

Can I ask where you get this idea from?

[stuff about DK]

Eh, no. Whatever.

smallpeoples - Lurking, active lurking, ignoring questions, shamelessly bandwagoning

Okay, I see that. Why don't you look further into him? How does that sound? Y'know, there are three scum left, and if I were one of them then there's two somewhere else.

Ignoring Guido.

Since when? Oh, that's right. When Guido started getting votes!

Moving Chevre to null.

Why? Because I called you out for calling her scum suddenly? You've hardly interacted with her since you called her definite scum.

Plotting ways to get Thor killed as is my duty.

Not bothering with the rest of you unless I find reason to.

Again, there is more than the one scum left. Who have you got left as your scum reads? You reckon me, and smallpeoples... No longer Guido, no longer Chevre...
If you could rid the town of three people who you think are most likely scum, who would you kill?

[cjdrum]

Cirno, just shut up.

Your last few posts are horrible. "NO YOU'RE WRONG OMG IM RIGHT", "Oh you were right BUT NOT KNOWING EARLIER BLAH BLAH", "OMG MASON REQUIREMENTS ARE MET DK IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM".

Leave the mod alone. Leave DK alone. Leave

me

alone until you can tell me why I'm still scum.

[cjdrum]

>cjdrum not even trying anymore

Go back, read my first post to DK again, and reflect on your actions in a corner.

@DK

: Yes, both masons (and both monks) can be town. My point is that you are not confirmed town and that your alignment has no influence on that of the monks.

YOU. ARE. NOT. HELPING.

AT ALL.

HOW AM I NOT TRYING. HOW WOULD

YOU

KNOW?

Also, are you referring to this post? If you are: NOT HELPFUL.

I want. To know. Why you think. I am. Mafia. Or Werewolf. And why. You think. I don't care. About the game.

[cjdrum]

Explain

why I am

still

scum in your eyes. Like I said in #777.

I don't see how #774 has any relevance to me.

And.

STOP BLOODY TREATING ME LIKE I'M RETARDED.

[cjdrum]

Can we get a prod on Chevre and YankCane please?

[cjdrum]

Also,

vote: Cirno

We have 3 scum left. Guido I'm not seeing as scum. Thor... Not really, but possible. I think Scott Brosius, smallpeoples and Cirno would probably be the three.

[cjdrum]

Just sits right in my mind at the moment. I think they might've done something a while back that I don't quite remember. Lemme look.

[cjdrum]

I do believe his claim, but I think he's Mafia . . .

But, in the interests of not quickhammering...
*

glare

*
... I'm not going to vote for him right now.

Also,

vote: Cirno

We have 3 scum left. Guido I'm not seeing as scum. Thor... Not really, but possible. I think Scott Brosius, smallpeoples and Cirno would probably be the three.

What changed from D1 to now?

Vote: cjdrum

Well, three people died.

I was mostly just annoyed at Cirno for being all "He isn't my top scum read, but I'll vote him and question him, but really tunnel cjdrum, and my vote's just gonna be there for 'pressure' which he really doesn't need", etc. Then I looked again, and I'm like, "WHAT AM I DOING".

[cjdrum]

A mislynch today wouldn't be the end of the world. If I've got the numbers right, even with 3 Town deaths today/tonight we'll have a 2:1:3 split - so we would still have a Day Three.

(right?)

[cjdrum]

Except that Guido wasn't killed N1, even after an explicit claim. Nor was smallpeoples, if I'm remembering who claimed what correctly.

Who knows what the scum are thinking? :/

[cjdrum]

DK: Why do you have such a strong Town read on Chevre?


(I've yet to decide about Chevre, but will yet you all know as soon as I do)

[cjdrum]

I think it's scumplay of you to be so forceful of a Town's [Chevre's] lynch,

This is you strongly saying that you believe Chevre is Town.

[cjdrum]

DK: Why do you have such a strong Town read on Chevre?


(I've yet to decide about Chevre, but will yet you all know as soon as I do)

What purpose does this have? He's a mason, but if he's a wolf, his partner is dead anyways. Also that parentheses gives me the gist of "I'll decide when the wagon grows a bit"

Actually, I was half asleep by the time of that post, and still don't have time now.

I meant "within 24 hours", not "later in Day Two".

[cjdrum]

I think my vote is actually on Cirno, but...
UNVOTE: Cirno anyway.

Waiting on Shion and Descent.

[cjdrum]

Yes, you got it wrong there too

[cjdrum]

DK: CHEVRE. IS. OUT.


Cirno, what's with your most recent post? You seem to be avoiding every wagon to vote me, and I just don't get it. Sure, I may have a different or strange playstyle... BUT SO DO YOU.

I just don't get it any more. Your reasons for voting me are still "active lurked D1, doesn't read posts, bandwagonned D1, first D2 post struck me as off". You didn't explain how my behaviour could be considered active lurking, I've read more of your posts than you've read of mine, we bloody needed a lynch D1, and you haven't explained that last one other than it didn't sit with you well.
Just... Until you can find something strong against me, think about other people who might deserve a vote. Kthxbai.

[cjdrum]

cjdrum it's like it's first nature for you to tunnel with Cirno or something. If you like her or something than just say so, I don't see how your helping the situation. '-'

So many incorrect homophones in that sentence.

For now, I'd like you to respond to my case on Thor, what do you think about him going to such lengths to having Chevre lynched?

I see what Thor is saying - both with his Chevre case, and his point that you haven't given any real reason why we shouldn't lynch Chevre

's replacement

. I need a reason why wanting to lynch Chevre is bad, kthx.

[cjdrum]

[reads]

Wut.

You actually think DK is scum. You actually think both Cirno and I are also scum.

I... Uh... I'm gonna need an explanation at some stage.

[cjdrum]

I was doubting it due to the replacing and whatnot, but that most recent post is striking me as "looking like scumhunting while really not".

Also, can you say anything in response to #935 please? Because you either see what I'm saying and unvote, or explain why your vote is still left hanging. Or ignore it and I'll treat it as a confession of guilt, I guess.

[cjdrum]

"[

1.

active lurked D1], [

2.

doesn't read posts], [

3.

bandwagonned D1], [

4.

first D2 post struck me as off]". [

1.

You didn't explain how my behaviour could be considered active lurking], [

2.

I've read more of your posts than you've read of mine], [

3.

we bloody needed a lynch D1], and [

4.

you haven't explained that last one other than it didn't sit with you well].

"That last one" is referring to the last point in the sentence that the rest of the line that was in was referring to.


Also.
I. Know. You. Explained. What. You. Think. Active. Lurking. Is.
You. Haven't. Explained. How. My. Behaviour.

Was

. Active. Lurking.


Your vote is hanging, useless. Do something pro-town yourself.

[cjdrum]

mod: I'm here, can I stay in please? I've been writing up a really long post, so I've felt like I've been posting! Or... I can replace me?

[cjdrum]

Awesome!

About that epic post... It's not done. I was looking at Chevre's posts in it, and I'm just... Yeah, not done.

However, my discoveries so far, as well as Descent's recent vote, make me inclined to do this:
VOTE: Descent

Chevre never really seemed to logically cohere with himself. Descent is doing a very similar thing; on a much smaller scale, but definitely there.

So, I'll continue working on that tomorrow, when I've got the time.

[cjdrum]

Oh, and I really don't like Descent's most recent post. "You didn't like my vote, and I think you're defending him [implying that we shouldn't]. UNVOTE".

[cjdrum]

Hey. Hey guys.

WHAT. DID. I. TELL. YOU.

[cjdrum]

Also people on the Now hate Forever! List are blacklisted from my games.