Open 317 Masons & Monks (Game Over) Finished: September 8

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Replacing the forest air with the deep aromatic depths of coffee.... Classy lady!

Anyway VOTE: DeityKabuto since I don't like a Pokemon being superior to myself.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

My username is a reference to Godot's theme song.

Godotmaniac here. Just fair warning.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

It's too bad no one is on right now. I'm getting kinda bored hitting F5 every so often only to see 0 updates.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Well I just wanted to talk. Not necessarily wagon anyone just yet.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I lol'd, Vitamin.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP: I don't tend to wagon until there's a few pages of content at least. Just saying.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Look at my name, Vitamin. Where on earth do you see an F? D:

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP: That is, an F that isn't in the word C would be used for. D:
Yeah I fail slightly. D:

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I thought the answer was obvious. I observe the behaviors of others in order to draw upon my own conclusions.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP: Also this game has like a 2 or 3 week deadline for each day. I don't see any reason to rush, really.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I like this mod.

Why Wouldn't You?

[Darkcoffeejazz]

The logic of the mod astounds me. D:

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Of course I posted last.

I replaced someone who didn't post. Hurp durp.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I really hope that's a joke.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

It's occurred to me I have no idea what all the possible roles are in this game. I didn't see it in the first posts...

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I'm sure it's a setup on the Wiki, I just... dunno where to start looking for it, haha.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

To be fair, I replaced in, so I never saw a setup link. :3
Anyway, sounds like a fun setup.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I don't even know what is meant by BB.... I always think of bodybuilding when I hear BB but I know that's not right in this case.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Yeah I figured it was something like that.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

@Mod: DeityKabuto's name is DeityKabuto. Not Diety.

This goes for the rest of you, too

My conscience is clear, pffft.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Well, when the serious posts start to appear, I take it as a sign we're out of RVS.

So, for now, I'll

UNVOTE: DeityKabuto

, since it's be rather pointless to keep a vote on him when my only reason was for the sake of being random.

I also am not sure how I feel about the slow bandwagon that is progressing on Deity, to be honest. It seems to be taking shape rather quickly.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP: It'd be, not it's be. I hate my fingers sometimes.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Another EBWOP: Oh, and apparently I also typed "slow" by accident. I meant for that sentence just to read "about the bandwagon". Sigh. If you need me, I'll be in English 101 relearning how to talk.
*sob*

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I'm probably gonna give it a day or two more for this game to pick up a bit, before I place a serious vote of any kind.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I'm probably gonna give it a day or two more for this game to pick up a bit, before I place a serious vote of any kind.

This post makes my gut go O.o

Why say this at all? The only motivation I see for saying this is that you don't want to get accused of not scumhunting by not placing a vote. Fair enough, but I don't see why a townie would make such a statement - they'd just keep playing as normal until they find reasoning behind a vote. I know that you primarily play on a different site, and that CR Mafia is way different than here, but this is still kinda suspicious. Generally, scum will overclarify what they do, because they have much more of a motivation to explain their actions than town.

For this, you get a serious

FoS: Darkcoffejazz

Just like you're overclarifying your FoS on me in this post?
Seriously, I was merely explaining in advance why I'd be a bit lurky/non-committal with my vote. I never said I wouldn't be scumhunting.

Also, I never mentioned CR Mafia to you...
I know you, don't I?

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Just like you're overclarifying your FoS on me in this post?
Seriously, I was merely explaining in advance why I'd be a bit lurky/non-committal with my vote. I never said I wouldn't be scumhunting.

Yes, but explaining in advance seems more scum-motivated than town-motivated, even though it could go either way. You don't want to be called out, so you throw that out there to cover yourself while you look for your next move.

However, I'm still more interested in DeityKabuto right now.

Then you should know better. Wanting to explain my actions in advance is not scummy in the least for me. But if you find it scummy, well, that's your issue.

It's really not a big deal. Making it out to be "oh wow he said something very trivial I don't like he must be scum" is just kind of stupid to me. Or scummy. Take your pick.

In any case, I'm done on the subject. If I can't adapt to Mafiascum, Mafiascum will have to adapt to me.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP: "If we have the same friends, then" you should know better.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I'd like to hear a few more reasons for your other reads as well, if you don't mind Cirno.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Well, my thoughts so far... I find FightingShadow a bit suspicious for making a big deal out of my trivial post about not wanting to vote without more content. However, since he appears to be from the CR Mafia group of players, this throws off my read a bit. What's normal there isn't necessarily normal here.

Guido's 'drunk' post is just a bit odd. Not necessarily scummy, but it doesn't really help either. But I could say that about a lot of posts so far in this game.

I also don't think DeityKabuto is anything other than town at this point in time, either. Sure, I randomly voted him, but after that a wagon formed a bit too quickly for my liking. And I take it from all the serious posts, that we've been out of the RVS stage for a while now. Anyone still voting randomly should seriously reconsider their votes, otherwise I'll start seeing them as serious votes.

As for this whole Cirno/Chevre debacle... I feel (and I stress the word FEEL) that Cirno is being more protown than Chevre. Are either of them scum (for the purpose of this game, I shall use scum for both werewolves and mafia) is the question I find myself asking. More than likely it's two townies arguing with each other, however. Still, I think the situation warrants further observation. Also, the fact that Chevre avoided answering the question about the vote in any way (even a lame reason would have sufficed) makes her whole "lol it was a pressure vote guise" explanation invalid. She could have avoided answering the question in order to buy time to create a post that would make her appear both protown and a hero/leader type. Basically I feel it's insincere.

These are all just first impressions based on what I've seen so far. They are obviously subject to change as I gather more information from my observations. So don't treat these impressions as Word of God or anything.

Also, I'm not gonna give a full list of people in this game yet, as that would take more time than I have right now, and I think it's too early to give a full analysis of posts thus far. We'll see what happens in a day or two, though (real time, obviously).

Does this satisfy you, Cirno?

[Darkcoffeejazz]

However, I will provide an analysis of this post.

Unvote

- this vote's work is done.

OMGOSH YU GUISE! IT WUZ A SECRIT AHGENT VOOOOOOTE LOLOL.
Seriously, though. This just gives me an impression of "look at the awesome thing I did isn't it clever".

Cirno and DeityKabuto are overreacting to a wagon on the latter which is almost totally baseless, and from my standpoint, obviously one of pressure. The interesting thing is that, whereas Cirno seemed to be the one overly concerned about this wagon, DeityKabuto now comes in to agree with everything Cirno said and vote me.

Well, for one, I do not see how Cirno was overreacting to such a bandwagon. They seem genuinely concerned (a concern I share at the moment) that this baseless wagon will turn into a mislynch. Granted, the odds of getting scum on Day 1 is significantly lower than getting town, but that doesn't mean we should just turn a blind eye to suspicious wagons, either. And also, why wouldn't Deity agree with a well-structured, well thought out analysis of, ahem, YOUR refusal to answer a simple and direct question about your own voting habits?

So to answer your questions: yes, it was a vote of pressure; one that would've lost all effect had I revealed that it was such.

It lost all effect when you refused to explain it in any way whatsoever.

I was hoping DeityKabuto would react more to it, but Cirno went strangely overboard on an early-Day 1 randomwagon.

Again, even if (emphasis on IF) Cirno went 'overboard' as you say, there's nothing at all 'strange' about it. This just seems to me an attempt to discredit anything town Cirno might have said. An attempt to 'undermine' them, if you will.

YankCane - why do you think Cirno is town?

I would also like to hear this, Yank. If you would be so kind.

Anyway, yeah. There you go.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Oh, I see. I must have missed post 159. Soz.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

...It appears that my first impression was wrong.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

>mishmash forum
>Last post by:cjdrum
>Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:24 am
>also posting yesterday

@mod: Please prod cjdrum.

Seconded.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

What's up with all the >?

I just thought of them as bullet points, to uh, make a point.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

......It would help if I knew what names go with what post. Without having to actually go back to it myself. So now I have to read each individual post that probably doesn't mean shit, to be honest.

...You know what? I shouldn't have to do your work for you. You do it.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Oh, and if yer on some kind of medication, it'd help if you came down off that too before you post again.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I'm on adderall right now... so I feel like I'm either overexamining things or my true scumdar is coming out and little things are popping out at me telling me scum or town O_O.

It's never good to play when your brain has been compromised in one way or another.
I really hate walls of text without names. And since I realized you're not online at the time of my last two posts, I decided to be a nice guy and help you out here. And yes, I am being very, very sarcastic.

#94 still bothers me

This is Guido's post about faking a scumslip. Nothing new here. Old information and you have no new analysis for it. Moving on.

#104 screamed town to me

This really tells me nothing as the post is by smallpeople, and it's only two words long in response to #103 above it.
Moving on.

#106 - the reason I asked is because when you posted it seemed like you were genuinely serious about it, if you had responded saying it was a joke, I'd think you were lying... and you have. This raises a red flag for me... I might want to relook at you again... your vote switch to Deity also strikes me as odd, but not scum... you're reminding me of another player in another game who I've yet to analyze whether it's scum-play or different-personality (it's important to note when scumhunting that sometimes it can just be a player's gameplay that strikes you as scummy, so I need to keep this in mind)

I never found anything too unusual with this post by FightingShadow. But then, I have different standards than Mafiascum players for Townieness.

#108 - Good point that he agrees with the bandwagoning on Deity... bad point is his comment about RVS seems off to me and something scummy-ish. If Deity did turn up scum, my bet is he is the partner...

You should note that I don't lynch at random, either. It was a bandwagon formed because of a random vote I had made. I find that naturally disturbing. I'm not saying he's not scum, but if I'm going to lynch his ass with fire, I need more proof than "LOL RANDOM BANDWAGON YAYYYY".
I'm not an idiot, after all. And my comment about RVS isn't at all off or scummy; it was stating the simple truth. Sue me.

#113 - "Shameless bandwagoning ho!" - the joke atmosphere strikes me as scum

His comment actually summarizes my fears of a scum-driven bandwagon. Hence my precautions in unvoting my RVS vote.

#115 - Once again this strikes me as odd. He is trying to seem active by posting yet his content strikes me as not actually caring about hunting scum, rather than being perceived as non-scum.

To be honest, I don't give a fuck if you see me as scum or not. I do things my way, not yours. My strength lies in arguing and finding contradictions, as well as envisioning the most unlikely of scenarios in a given situation.
There is nothing in the mafia rules saying I have to be super-active with every post having mountains of evidence against scum.
Heroes like that don't exist in real life, found only fiction.

#116 - Dark & Coffee aren't scum together... although they are two high on my radar so... yall should kill eachother tonight

You do realize that saying both dark and coffee together like that makes your statement seem highly redundant, right?
And that you meant FightingShadow, not Dark?
You've basically said that I'm not scum with myself, even though both of me are on your radar.
If I didn't know any better, I'd say this is a subtle slip, or tunneling at best.

#118 - strikes me as town

How does it strike you as town when he's saying that a statement I made isn't scummy, when you said earlier it seemed I was trying to appear as non-scum?
...Your points on #115 and #118 are highly contradictory.
*bows like Miles Edgeworth*

A thought that just occured to me about Coffee...

Try most of your post...

even though he does strike me as odd... even if he was mafia/werewolf, he'd still WANT to be hunting the OTHER scum faction. Therefore my thought process is wrong... it could still be right in that he wants to sit back... but even if he was one of the factions he would still be hunting the other. (#122 made me think of this). I need to come back to this but for now I don't know what to think of my thoughts on Coffee's sitting-back.

What's to think about? I told the entire truth. There's no sinister hidden agenda in me not wanting to post every five fucking seconds about things that aren't entirely relevant.
As far as the anti town factions being against each other.... that applies to everyone in this fucking game. Way to go.

#130 - saying the game is a little dying seems like something scum would say to me, although I can't point out why exactly... it adds no content or helpfulness and sounds like "I'm going to point out the obvious so it seems like I'm town"

Isn't that what you've been trying to do here? Also as for the part of that post mentioning the activity of the game, that's a null tell at best. It's neither mafia nor town. However, the statement right after it about going to look back or something later is where you should really be focusing.

Darkcoffees - I'm mostly just skimming over all the posts right now cuz I'm in a hurry but I don't understand this real life/ friend things/ I need to come back to it and read it more carefully cuz I have no idea what yall are talking about and I think it's just fluff X_x

It is fluff. And I don't have a clue who they are, nor what they look like in real life.
They mentioned the Mafia Forum 'CR MAFIA', of which I was a member of (I might still have an account there, who knows). Also, the mafia forum "Vendetta Strada" is a forum I used to frequent, and it is the combination of CR Mafia, VG Mafia (Video Game Mafia) and what used to be Sachyrnne park. They were all sister mafia sites, merged into one site. Vendetta Strada.

I am commonly known by my first username ever used on CR Mafia, which is DarkCoffeeJazz. DCJ or Jazz to my friends.
The fact that I never mentioned CR Mafia to anyone on this site before proves FightingShadow has seen me before. Whether he has seen my playstyle or is someone I played a few games with, I couldn't tell you. He could be a newbie to the site for all I know (not to Mafia, just to the site).

#136 - I automatically like Cirno for agreeing with me on Guido - though I would like a little more explanation so I can see if you see what I see or if you're just mimicing me ^_^

In that very post Cirno mentions they think I'm town at that point in the game. Keywords, at that point in the game.
So it's very likely you only agree on one thing.

#139 - I just want to point out, yes I am rather old in the playing of mafia: 2) I actually go in and out of playing Mish Mash games, I jsut recently started playing Mish Mash games again after going to a mafia meet 3) I'm not the most conventional player, in that I don't follow all the typical mafia terms of "WIFOM, Chainsaw Defense (although after looking it up it's very similar to whta I look for)... but regardless I don't use those terms, and 4) I tend to be unconventional in the sense I like to gambit quite a bit (i.e., I don't believe in the Lynch all Liars philosophy, though I haven't seen it mentioned anytime recently, I just remember it was a common phrase used in the past when I played mish mash). So I just want to point out,

although I am experienced, do not put normative expectations on me, I have a very unique playstyle in the way that I play. I go on intuition and feelings while also balancing logic, etc.

, etc. ... just wanted to throw that out there because if I remember correctly it was a topic of conversation in my previous two games I played (many months ago) and it also invokved discussion which is interesting.

See the bolded part. I don't see how you can say I'm scummy to you when the bolded part describes me in a game of mafia perfectly.
It's almost like calling yourself scum.
Not like you'd know anything about my playstyle, having never actually asked me any questions before going on this paranoia-induced post.

#140 - After Guido's past posts, you think it's a slip. This registers as odd. Guido has done many odd things, but the reason for your bandwagoning strikes me as odd.

Nothing we didn't already know. Moving on .

#141 - You think someone would be "joking around all game" seems odd.

I'm not saying Guido is town, but even I joke around from time to time. Find something more concrete to attack with.

#154 - Strongly leadign town on Cirno, but when asked about voting for Guido, Cirno just repeats what was stated before. I would have elaborated and reemphasized my previous statements... this strikes me as odd. It seems Cirno is moreso just trying to argue with Chevre and make Chevre look dumb rather than actually convince Chevre why voting Guido is a good thing.

For one, that's like halfway into the argument. It all started when Chevre refused to answer a very simple and direct question about their own vote. And then Chevre saw fit to ask Cirno why THEY were voting someone and expecting an answer that wasn't condescending in nature.

** Left off at #154... I really need to go now...

Bring some common sense with you. It's a good supplement to logic and 'feelings'.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

>#154 by Blackberry - Strongly

leadign

town on Cirno, but when asked about voting for Guido, Cirno just repeats what was stated before. I would have elaborated and reemphasized my previous statements... this strikes me as odd. It seems Cirno is moreso just trying to argue with Chevre and make Chevre look dumb rather than actually convince Chevre why voting Guido is a good thing.


I was too lazy to use the quote tags again. Sue me.
The reason for this post is I was rereading my wall of a wall of text post, and I saw the bolded word. It didn't strike me as odd at the time since I tend to correct typos in my head and never give it a second though... but anyone can see that it's meant to be the word 'leading'.

Which begs the question... Did you scumslip just now?
I don't know a single townie that 'strongly leads' on someone when they think they're town.
Well, except maybe someone in my last game.

Let's review.
Although you're mentioning Guido a few times in your last post, Blackberry, it's obvious I'm a major part of your "scumpicking". Everything you've mentioned about Guido is stuff we already know. You have mentioned nothing no one else has already read about Guido.
If we are to assume the worst case scenario, that you are scum (aka either werewolf or mafia, as I'm using the word for both factions, as stated in an earlier post of mine around here somewhere... aka I've said it once before, but it bears repeating now), then we must assume that you throw in these comments about Guido as filler while you tunnel on your true target.

By nit-picking everything that could possibly be conceived as scummy, one could assume that you are either trying to get me lynched instead of DeityKabuto, or you are setting me up for the next day after Deity dies. It doesn't matter if Deity or I are town or not; if you are scum, you would be after anyone appearing to be scummy as they would be the opposite faction as yours, yes?


Of course, these are all assumptions, and are posted just for mere speculation I'm most likely overthinking this, as I always do.
Take it with a grain of salt.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

You seem really overdefensive Dark as if I am trying to lynch you X_x. I was simply posting my open thoughts about the game, hence my contradictions. I was posting freely what reactions I had to post. You think it's odd I have contradictions in some cases (i.e., Cirno's posting). Do you think it's NORMAL for someone to have the same read on someone throughout the entire game in every post? That is something that would bug me if that happened, because then they'd be tunneling/have blinders on.

I think it'd be obvious from my post that Guido is my top suspect still, not you. My whole paragraph about you was my thought that made me think what I was suspect of you for may be null considering mafia and werewolves would want to scum hunt as well and thus it isn't a normal mafia game.

It's not so much overdefensive as it is me nitpicking your nitpicks. Also the whole "trying to get me lynched" thing was a theory, and it should be treated as such.

It's just like evolution or communism; they work in theory but the real world applications of them are very different.


Also, I realize it's medicinal drugs. That doesn't mean it can't be impairing in any way as far as judgement goes.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP: Any wall of text that mentions me in a negative light more than once tends to make me want to tear the wall down, basically. It's how I roll. It's also how I once proved I was town. By arguing every single detail of another person's argument against me.

Am I coming across as harsh? Of course I am. But at the end of the day it's a game. And I play for keeps.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

New avatar, btw. Yes, it's a fluffy fluff post. But idgaf.
Also yeah, lol Mist. Lol.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Could someone direct me to a, um, directory for all the lingo you Scummers use on this site?
Terms like Hydra are starting to drive me nuts.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Hydra is two (or more) people using one account.
The wiki is probably the best place to look up all the terms.

Ah, see, I was thinking it was one person with multiple accounts. Seems it's actually the opposite of that.

Thanks for the info.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Great, so now I have to worry about a guy who is actually more than one person. Dammit.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Post 108 (DCJ)
And here I also <3 iso as DCJ also doesn’t mention the Deity-wagon afterwards. Which is quite bad combined with the post in which he mentions he’ll wait for a few days with serious voting.
Add post 161 to this point as well. The only suspicious things he mentioned are quickly taken away due to him fence-sitting.

I had already mentioned what I'd thought of the Deity wagon. Why should I have kept repeating the obvious? As for the waiting thing, that is related to any serious vote against ANYONE I might make, not a vote against Deity necessarily.
Oh and I have no idea what yer asking about 161 for. Be more specific kthx, for the autistic man here.

Posts 184/185 (DCJ)
2 bad posts from DCJ. Especially the last one.

You mean I'm NOT perfect? Alert the press.

There is nothing wrong to mention new things on a different player when the main target is absent. And then to use the last bit as a way out if you’re getting attacked for this.
This is also the second time you explained what you mean with ‘scum’. Once is fine, twice is too much.

Mentioning it twice is not too much when you realize everyone had totally ignored the first time you said it. I wanted to remind certain individuals that me saying scum doesn't necessarily mean I'm talking about just the mafia.

I need to hear from Deity about my previous request, Vitamin needs to explain the last vote and I need to look at Yank before I can say for certain which players are scummy to me. DCJ and Guido are on it for certain. I'm having doubts if Chevre should be put on my scummy list or my null list. Cj and SmallPeoples are null.

I would be worried if no one found me scummy at all.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I really hope people stop V/LA'ing / replacing out / generally afking. I've been so lonely just watching the board for new posts today.
*sob*

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Chevre, it's not overdefensive. It just means that I have no EDIT button.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Key words: "Other Players".
Don't even assume for a second that I'm like you.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I need to hear from Deity about my previous request, Vitamin needs to explain the last vote and I need to look at Yank before I can say for certain which players are scummy to me. DCJ and Guido are on it for certain. I'm having doubts if Chevre should be put on my scummy list or my null list. Cj and SmallPeoples are null.

I would be worried if no one found me scummy at all.

And why would that worry you?

Because I am always scummy, even when I'm town. For anyone to not have a single scum read on me would make me think they were scum trying to buddy with me.
The fact someone does find me scummy means someone is at least TRYING to play. Even if they're failing miserably.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I had already mentioned what I'd thought of the Deity wagon. Why should I have kept repeating the obvious? As for the waiting thing, that is related to any serious vote against ANYONE I might make, not a vote against Deity necessarily.
Oh and I have no idea what yer asking about 161 for. Be more specific kthx, for the autistic man here.

Yes, you mentioned what you thought of the Deity wagon. That you weren't sure what to think about it. That's what I'm saying. It was the first thing you could have used as a basis for scumhunting, yet you never talk about the players who were on it and why they were on it. Why?
In post 161, you mention some players. As it doesn't address that Deity-wagon, I combined the two points. The other reads you mentioned in it, were mostly fence-sitting. The only exception is the read about Cirno.
Other than this explanation, which players ignored your first explanation about the definition about scum and how?

I'm pretty sure that I wasn't sure how to FEEL about it, what with the rather quick bandwagoning relative to the time we have each day phase. However since there was no real reason to ever bring it back up I never gave it a real second thought. For all I know Deity could be scum.
All I was stating was the obvious.
And you really, really need to start providing links to posts when you mention them, because it really fucking irritates me when I have to go back who knows how many pages to find one thing I may have said that has absolutely no relevance to it whatsoever.
But I'll humor you and find that post anyway, because I'm SUCH a nice guy.
*Intermission*
That was me answering something Cirno had asked in order for Cirno to in turn answer my question.
To take those as anything EXCEPT first impressions, even as said in my post 161, is to just be reaching for straws.

Sometimes a cake is just a cake.

As for ignoring my first explanation, that would be everyone. Since no one remembered it, and since someone bugged me about my use of the term "scum" later. I'm not going to go digging around for the exact post, either.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Well when people stop attacking me, I'll stop defending myself.
Besides, I'm not sure who I wanna vote yet. So meh.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Yes, well, I hate to be wrong, Cirno. Even on Day 1 where the odds of lynching town are higher (at least in a normal game of mafia).
And you seem to forget I function via observation, not pressure. If I see something contradictory I'll point it out, like I always do.

And to be entirely honest, I'm also a bit disappointed Tomie joined. Whereas I felt Cirno was actually looking for scum, Tomie just seems to be jumping at every single SYLLABLE as if it's the great demon spawn of Cthulhu or something. That's just how I feel about it, anyway.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP: Actually, now that I think about it, I wouldn't object to a Guido or Deity lynch. Deity mostly because of those recent posts of his and the OMGUS voting, Guido mostly because of being a hydra and thus being in the position to blame any slips of any kind off on whoever was in control at that moment in time. And the whole "lol it was a fake slip isn't this clever" post, of course.

So there, I AM thinking about it. I just haven't decided who I'm ultimately going to vote as of yet (as I'm still leery of the Deity bandwagon that quickly formed, but I also have no real way to get a solid read on Guido).

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Yeah, I kinda was hinting at a policy lynch, Guido, but the fact I'm torn between voting you or Deity proves I'm willing to give you a chance. I just don't like the concept of never being able to get a solid read on you, since you could in fact blame it on the other person being drunk or something else. It's hard enough for me to trust ONE person, much less 2 or more sharing the same account (body).

As for DeityKabuto, I'm starting to see that same pattern. And I don't like it.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP:
And about Cirno, if anything...

I can't see how she has sheeped at all. If anything she's been trying to get our asses in gear (before Tomie came of course and began pointing FoS' at everything down to the very punctuation marks). I can't say I've been paying attention entirely to her list of reads but, at the same time, I think I'd have noticed if they had begun changing drastically with no rhyme or reason to them.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Well I never said it was anything but hypothetical. I deal in the realm of possibilities. Being a thinker and all (even if not everything I think about is substantial).

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Actually I don't find it all that hard to understand what Cirno is saying without the quote tags. Sometimes I might not know who's being quoted right away but she's usually good about it in that it's only a few posts behind hers at most.

So it's fine with me.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Too many big posts. I lost interest in trying to read through them, so if I ignore any questions towards me in them then sorry about that. Maybe when I'm not feeling like crap I'll go over all of it, but right now I'm just posting since I've made up my mind now.

I did read a few of Guido's posts towards me however. What's funny is I was thinking of putting my vote on DeityKabuto, actually, and not Guido. However, the fact that he won't stop nitpicking every little thing has changed my mind. I already have Tomie doing that with me, after all. I don't need two people doing the exact same thing. And no, that's not the major reason I'm voting you Guido. I'm voting you because of the things you've said and the way you take trivial statements I've made and make them out to have some deeper darker meaning. I am also aware that you have the most votes on you, but that's not the reason I'm voting you. I'd vote you even if you had 0 votes right now.

Now, let me warn you in advance, in case we ever meet in another game. Trying to place me in the same mold as any other MafiaScummer is doomed to fail. I didn't learn on here, after all, but with friends on a forum and with enemies on EpicMafia. And like I've said before, sometimes a cake is just a cake.

VOTE: Guido Crescendo

However, my secondary choice for this lynch will be DeityKabuto. Just so you know.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP: Oh, and as for my scumhunting habits, it's just a nice way of saying that I use my gut instinct and what I perceive as contradictions in order to find the best possible lynch. It also means I won't be posting every single thought/feeling I have, so obviously it's harder to 'see'.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go play the Sims 3 again.

And you were on that wagon before I was, Cirno. I don't think there'd be an issue if you switch back, so long as it's what you want and not because you want to get someone lynched no matter what.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

If it's too much to type my name, feel free to refer to me as either DCJ or Jazz, whichever works for you.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP: Ok, I read those walls of text from before. However, I'd prefer it if Tomie could make a summary/list of what she's wanting to know from me and put it into a smaller post, that way I don't have to hack and slash her post with all the quotes in it and can answer more directly. Would this be acceptable?

...Well regardless if you like the idea or not, it's the only way I'm going to respond right now, Tomie.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

>playing sims 3 instead of sims 2

What? I love to customize, and Sims 3 gives me way more options. It also runs better on my Laptop than Sims 2 does, ironically enough.
/unrelated mafia content

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Vote cjdrum

Eh, you've probably already explained before, but could you give me a brief summary as to why you're voting cjdrum out of the blue?

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Ah, so you're using meta and his current actions in the game (or lack thereof).
I see.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Guido, do me a favor and stop. Just stop.
Bizarre world? Well, real life is bizarre I suppose. But you should care where I learned to play mafia, since that would mean my playstyle wouldn't match up with someone who plays here all the time. It's meta. Deal with it.

It's actually that attitude that earned my vote on your wagon. I was considering between you and Deity, and was going to vote Deity but then you changed my mind. Also Tomie is a bit too in my face to actually be considered scum by me at this point in time, but then idk.

Besides, you can't honestly look me in the eye and tell me you haven't done a single scummy thing this entire game. Or rather, both of you.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP: Besides, with your lynch we can learn a great deal about the majority of the players already on your wagon.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

It's also why I don't mind if we lynch Guido or Deity today.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

......Is this your first game ever, Deity?

[Darkcoffeejazz]

But by doing that you're actually being more scummy than town.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP: However, I suppose it's in your best interests in the future to play how you want to. Eventually you'll establish a meta, I'm sure.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

You should message the Moderator.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP: However, I suppose it's in your best interests in the future to play how you want to. Eventually you'll establish a meta, I'm sure.

Well considering both of us have the most posts this game, lets form an alliance.

Active posters are usually not scum, so I feel safe with this.

This isn't Big Brother or Survivor. It's Mafia.
Please don't ask me something like this again.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I tend not to read very thoroughly when I replace in, especially without a scum flip. So I'm skimming. Anything EXTREMELY important I should know immediately?

Other than the quote wars that have been occurring with Chevre, Tomie, CJDrum and Cirno (she's a bit better at it though), not much that I know of that would be "EXTREMELY" important.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

You mean he isn't already? I kinda lost track of the tally.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Yeah that makes sense, I suppose. I would prefer if you got a claim out of him instead of quick-hammering, but I can't control your vote I suppose.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Yeah that makes sense, I suppose. I would prefer if you got a claim out of him instead of quick-hammering, but I can't control your vote I suppose.

Double horrible. Holy crap. I mean, I was kind agreeing with Guido B in thinking DCJ was scummy when he (Guido B) and DCJ were having their back-and-forth earlier, but DCJ just shrugging and going, “well, you should get a claim from Guido... but I guess a quickhammer is okay” cements it for me. The fact that there's no questioning or outrage in that decision at all is downright baffling.

First point: You haven't done anything that makes me believe you are town over Cirno. When you put it into this perspective, the rest is as follows:

Why would I question a lynch on someone I think is scum? And I never said the quickhammer was ok. I just realize that there is nothing I can do to change Cirno's mind nor control the vote, so whoever puts you at L-1 would be depending on Cirno's quickhammer. By at least getting your claim, we'd at least be a bit more informed as to whether or not this is a good idea.

And if you flipped town, the person who puts you at L-1 would be rather suspicious, yes?
Now, if you're done trying to fit me into the mold you have for MafiaScum players, I'll be reading up on the rest of the thread.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Why is cjdrum far from being lynched?

Because I'd rather go for a Guido lynch than a cjdrum lynch today. We can discuss this whole fiasco tomorrow.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

>we'd at least be a bit more informed as to whether or not this is a good idea.

How would his claim (mason, monk, or town) influence your decision?

You should keep in mind I hadn't read the rest of the thread past Guido's post that I had quoted. I saw your points on how masons can still be scum, so I guess it wouldn't be as helpful as I first thought.

You gotta remember I don't even know the link to the wiki for this setup.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Oh.... OH. I see now.
I think.
T_T
This is going to mess with my head, but I think I know the basics of it now. Alright.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Deity, did you forget the part where Monks can be Mafia?
Or the part where Masons can be Werewolves?

Just saying.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Well, I think vitamin or someone posted this already, but let's make sure everyone understands the setup.

A 12-player open setup probably proposed by Fiasco.

There are 2 Mafia Goons and 2 Werewolves. Arbitrarily two players who are not mafia are Masons who can talk at night but don't know each other's alignment. Similarly arbitrarily two players who are not werewolves are called Monks.

Night start.

Masons can't be mafia but can be werewolves.
Monks can't be werewolves but can be mafia.

The game was supposed to be a night start, which means 1 or 2 people were supposed to already be dead.

EBWOP:
I mean, that was the entire point of clarifying just how this setup works, Deity.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

When the PR could be scum, day 1?

Also he's already claimed. How many more claims do you want to give Scum?

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I'm not treating him as confirmed scum for the heck of it, just because he so happens to claim Monk.
Besides, what does Monk even do? It's not like he's that important, right?

[Darkcoffeejazz]

We might as well just NL at this point, for all the good it's doing us.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

It's better than some catchphrases I've heard before.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP: Also, I don't think a claim of Monk should deter us from lynching Guido. Sure, he probably has more odds of being town now that we know he can't be a werewolf (I think), but it's not his role I was looking at before I voted.
It's his behavior.

Also, Cirno, your "discuss" post reminded me of Coffee Talk from SNL. XD

OSHI I WAS NINJA'D BY THE MOD D:

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Ten bucks says Guido is Katsuki, btw.

UNVOTE: Unvote

I'm also afk for the rest of this day phase, since no one wants a lynch today, and I've just about had it trying to understand what the hell everyone is talking about. As well as Guido's constant insults.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Also how am I supposed to understand the setup when I have yet to see a link to the wiki (NOT QUOTED SHIT FROM IT), as well as helpful info that most games I've been in have in the first post or two (like, I dunno, role names and what the hell they do). No offense to the mod, but if I don't know what a Monk is, chances are I have no idea what it does either. I only know what Masons do because of EpicMafia, and even then my understanding of it this game might be different.

As for the rest of you, settle the fuck down and stop making long ass walls of text. It makes it harder for someone like me to follow the game much less respond. Also, I kinda stopped reading Guido's posts a while ago because every time he posts he's all "you suck" and "nothing you say makes sense you idiot", and "I'm so much better than anyone here lolol".

I've had it, so I'm taking a break.

Consider it a V/LA (I think is how you do it) until at the very least Saturday.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Oh, and Blackberry, your long ass wall of text sucks the most because there are no links to the posts. And I'm not going back who fucking knows how many pages JUST to find 2 or 3 posts that you don't even fucking understand.

Anyway, yeah, V/LA until Saturday is in effect now.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

not to play Devil's Advocate, but getting every single suspect to claim might just be a bad idea. Assuming any of the masons or monks are even town sided, of course.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

@DCJ

: You complained about town not wanting a lynch. How does unvoting and going v/la even though you are clearly around playing in other games helping town get a lynch?

The lynch wasn't happening when I was around. So how was staying helping the town get a lynch?
I needed a break from all of you for irritating the shit out of me daily, so excuse the fuck outta me.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I was voting someone. You guys decided not to lynch them. Your fault.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

As I've stated a few times before, I'm good with a Guido or a Deity lynch for today. Take it or leave it.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Can I get a vote Tally from the amazing Squirtle/Mist?

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Please don't extend the deadline, Mist. I couldn't take it. If we can't get a lynch before the deadline than it's our own dumb fault. Besides, this was supposed to be a Night start anyway, so it's not like we'd be losing anything by not having the deadline extended.

VOTE: DeityKabuto

For obvious reasons.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Please don't extend the deadline, Mist. I couldn't take it. If we can't get a lynch before the deadline than it's our own dumb fault. Besides, this was supposed to be a Night start anyway, so it's not like we'd be losing anything by not having the deadline extended.

VOTE: DeityKabuto

For obvious reasons.

Lmao, I just settled for voting someone and not this?

Mist, extend the deadline, please. It only helps the Town, Dark, only a scum would say not too.

If she does extend the deadline, I'm replacing out. Simple as that.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

No if I'm extending the deadline it'll only be by a few days. And This is a day start like Haylen's

However if it's only by a few days, maybe I can deal with it. If it were for another week, I'd definitely be leaving the game.
And I thought someone said earlier in the game this was supposed to be a Night Start. My mistake, Mist.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

No if I'm extending the deadline it'll only be by a few days. And This is a day start like Haylen's

However if it's only by a few days, maybe I can deal with it. If it were for another week, I'd definitely be leaving the game.
And I thought someone said earlier in the game this was supposed to be a Night Start. My mistake, Mist.

Yea but I ran it like Haylen's (The last M+M game(read rule 1)) so day start!

WOOO!
*runs around with arms flailing, party-style*
*gets blasted by Squirtle, chills the fuck out*
O.o

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Deity, why do you think I decided to place a serious vote on you now?
I want to hear your Flawgic on this.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Unvote, Vote: YankCane

I'm up for lynching any of Scott Brosius, Chevre, and YankCane. This Deity pressure stinks to high heavens.

Please go through Deity's posts and explain why he is town.

Seconded.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

That seems fair. Good to know.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

What. Please don't do that. We're going to end up having random no-lynch nights based on confusion. Either extend it or don't.

Or get everyone's ass up and running for a decision on today's lynch.
Indecision will get us nowhere.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

DK has done the following things all game:

*ROFL'd and/or OMGUS voted against people who accuse him.
*Reassured to the point of killing me that he is town and not scum
*Thinks you need to know someone is scum 100% to lynch them
*Is in favor of a No-Lynch. While not 100% scummy in and of itself, combined with his current behavior it's odd.
*I can't remember how he's contributed at all this game, other than multiple ROFL's, of course.
*Assumes anyone who votes for him must be scum.
*Irritates the shit out of me more than Tomie or Blackberry (that's saying something).

Can we just lynch it with fire already?

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP: I didn't even mention everything about DK, at that.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

DK has done the following things all game:

*ROFL'd and/or OMGUS voted against people who accuse him.
*Reassured to the point of killing me that he is town and not scum
*Thinks you need to know someone is scum 100% to lynch them
*Is in favor of a No-Lynch. While not 100% scummy in and of itself, combined with his current behavior it's odd.
*I can't remember how he's contributed at all this game, other than multiple ROFL's, of course.
*Assumes anyone who votes for him must be scum.
*Irritates the shit out of me more than Tomie or Blackberry (that's saying something).

Can we just lynch it with fire already?

THIS IS WHAT FUCKING PISSES ME OFF, YOU JUST SIT THERE COMMENTING ON WHAT DK HAS DONE, BUT WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? STOP WORRYING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE AND WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF FOR A CHANGE, K?

*loveyou

No seriously, you cant sit here and list all the wrongdoings of DK and then push on his lynch when I confirmed myself as Town, you dont care if I am town, do you?

Ah, big text, that's another thing I forgot to mention.
And there is no such thing as a "Self-Confirmed Vanilla Townie". You are not clear.
Deal with it.

Also whether he's an easy target or not, Vitamin, I am fucking tired of getting nothing done in this town. We need to narrow down the suspects, even if DK flips town as a result.

The odds of getting the mafia day 1 are low anyway.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Oh, and I'd rather not have a No Lynch result from this Town's inability to decide on a damn lynch, giving mafia a basic Freebie.

Also, Lolcats. :3

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I'm not changing for a third time. And if you guys can't get on board with some kind of lynch soon, there won't be one.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

The odds of getting the mafia day 1 are low anyway.

I haven't had a chance to see the "omg day 1 so hard" tell in a long time. Almost always scum.

Unvote
Vote: darkcoffeejazz

What a moron.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

The reason for that last comment, btw, can be summed up into about one meme.

I am DarkCoffeeJazz. Your meta is invalid.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

The odds of getting the mafia day 1 are low anyway.

I haven't had a chance to see the "omg day 1 so hard" tell in a long time. Almost always scum.

Unvote
Vote: darkcoffeejazz

What a moron.

Namecalling a solid defense.

Just as WIFOM and Meta are a solid offense, I imagine.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: DarkCoffeeJazz

Because I am done with all of you looking for things that simply aren't fucking there in my posts.

Screw this game, I'm going home.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Oh btw, Blackberry, Guido, and Tomie are my top FoS's. So I suggest looking at their actions.

And maybe Scott's for doing the "lolday1sohard" faketell he claims I did.

Oh and I was a Vanilla Townie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcnpZYmNAuI

[Darkcoffeejazz]

It's not just that. I have to establish a meta. What better way to do it than to rub it in their fucking faces that I'm town?

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Aka: I told you so.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP/Triple Post: On the bright side, I'm glad I'm finally out of this fucking nightmare of a game.

Note to self: Act as scummy as possible next time, then claim Monk/Mason to be 100% clear despite the 50/50 chance of being Scum.

*glances at Guido* Seriously, why'd you even think of trusting that guy?

[Darkcoffeejazz]

DCJ: Meta Immune.

Peace out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVVZaZ8yO6o

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Oh btw, Blackberry, Guido, and Tomie are my top FoS's. So I suggest looking at their actions.

And maybe Scott's for doing the "lolday1sohard" faketell he claims I did.

Oh and I was a Vanilla Townie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcnpZYmNAuI

If you're town, it might help if you actually gave reasons for your FoS's... just posting "I suggest you look at them" gives the scum an excuse to tunnel on us.

How about the parts where you nitpicked every little thing I said, then used really large red letters to label me Scum.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Btw, I'm not going to do your job for you, Town. But here's a hint to help you along.

Try using ISO's of my own posts and Blackberry's.