CSL wrote:For having the word "diety" in this name, though he spelled it wrong.
I spelled Deity right o.o
Google it.
smallpeoples343 wrote:FightingShadown has a good point. For now,FoS: DeityKabuto
FightingShadow wrote:Darkcoffeejazz wrote:I'm probably gonna give it a day or two more for this game to pick up a bit, before I place a serious vote of any kind.
This post makes my gut go O.o
Why say this at all? The only motivation I see for saying this is that you don't want to get accused of not scumhunting by not placing a vote. Fair enough, but I don't see why a townie would make such a statement - they'd just keep playing as normal until they find reasoning behind a vote. I know that you primarily play on a different site, and that CR Mafia is way different than here, but this is still kinda suspicious. Generally, scum will overclarify what they do, because they have much more of a motivation to explain their actions than town.
For this, you get a seriousFoS: Darkcoffejazz
Chevre wrote:Unvote- this vote's work is done.
Cirno and DeityKabuto are overreacting to a wagon on the latter which is almost totally baseless, and from my standpoint, obviously one of pressure. The interesting thing is that, whereas Cirno seemed to be the one overly concerned about this wagon, DeityKabuto now comes in to agree with everything Cirno said and vote me.
So to answer your questions: yes, it was a vote of pressure; one that would've lost all effect had I revealed that it was such. I was hoping DeityKabuto would react more to it, but Cirno went strangely overboard on an early-Day 1 randomwagon.
YankCane - why do you think Cirno is town?
Chevre wrote:In response to your questions, Cirno:
1. Your attack hasn't really changed my opinion on you yet. I must remember to watch what happens when you attack another player who is ready to retort. I say this because in addition to me you have also attacked Guido and cjdrum, but neither one of them are really responding. As for DeityKabuto, I can't decide if he just hadn't had an opportunity to post or whether he was waiting for someone else to attack me so that he could agree. Either way, he is very suspicious to me at this moment.
2. YankCane is almost neutral, except once or twice I've noticed a bit of fence-sitting (such as the answer to my question in Post 128). As for cjdrum...well, go read him in isolation. There isn't much to talk about. I haven't played with cjdrum before, so I don't know if this is how he plays. Guidos slip situation is very confusing...I don't get why he would bring it up again if it was a slip that apparently nobody noticed.
3. Will answer later in this post.
Darkcoffeejazz: It was a pressure vote, and I wasn't going to lie, so what I was I supposed to say? I believe that if someone declares a vote one of pressure, it loses its effect. As for "look at me isn't this clever," yeah, I kinda felt myself doing that. But, I wanted it to be clever.
DeityKabuto. If it wasn't pressure, what do you think I was trying to accomplish with my vote on you?
Post 163 does not feel right to me at all and makes me want to return my vote to Deity. :/
Chevre wrote:Why would I vote you if I didn't want to accomplish anything? I wouldn't. Now, why did I vote you if it wasn't pressure.
YankCane - oh yes, now I have to pressure you.Quadruple-vote: YankCane151
Just kidding.Unvote. I took it off because I felt I had at least started something up. Deity is most certainly not cleared in my mind.
YankCane151 wrote:Deity: Nothing wrong with pressure.
YankCane151 wrote:smallpeoples343 wrote:DeityKabuto wrote:why is everyone on different wagons o.o
The only real wagon seems to be Guido. Other than that, everyone else only has one vote (if they are being voted)
Is the fact that I'm the only one questioning you preventing you from answering #191? Or what?
Chevre wrote:Sorry. So those walls o' text on Page 8 and was not intrigued. -_-
DeityKabuto: did you, at any point, feel that the early wagon on you was going to lead to a lynch?
Blackberry, this is the entirety of Post 104, which apparently screams town to you:
smallpeoples343 wrote:Rather both.
Care to explain?
However, I've decided I love your Adderall posts "dark and coffee are not scum together..." apparently, darkcoffeejazz may have Multiple-personality disorder alol.
Darkcoffeejazz's quadruple-post/wall o' text is way too defensive against drugged-Blackberry's posts.
I ABSOLUTELY HATE that Guido Crescendo will not tell us who he is. It seems a bit unfair; our pasts are completely visible while Guido is just able to push it all under the bed.
Tomie, in response to 117: I wasn't do anything to generate discussion. I had been sick and didn't post.
in response to 143: I don't think the ending is bad. I rephrased my question in order to receive a more direct answer. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about Guido's gambit. I think it's null now.
Top suspects, in alphabetical order.
Darkcoffeejazz
DeityKabuto
Guido Crescendo
pizza
Tomie Uzukami wrote:So you do read posts. Funny how you don't respond to questions asked of you.
Also, if that already made you Rofl, how about the fact that you were already voting Chevre?
YankCane151 wrote:Well, by itself not putting down a vote isn't an automatic scumtell. DCJ has at least been contributing to the discussion more and being coherent. smallpeoples is not. He's got his vote on me and the only reason I can logically think of is because I voted him (until he tells me otherwise with anything resembling a case), but he's also put out a FoS for an actual reason, which doesn't click. Like I said in that post, not voting is really null if DCJ ended up scumhunting which he has enough to where I'm not that concerned as to his activity.
The Cirno-Deity thing is certainly suspicious now that I look back. Admittedly, I've had a small bit of tunnel vision on smallpeoples. I also realize that in this setup there will be teaming that is pro-town so I can't look at that soley as a scumtell.
Here's some more questions for Deity:
In #155 You said you were sure there are scum on your wagon. Who do you think it is?
In #157 You give us a 'scenario' where we can lynch someone on your wagon then use process of elimination and end up winning. What makes you think that strategy is viable? You appear now wanting to actually scumhunt and to just throw this game to luck. If the Masons/Monks die then your plan flies out the window and your post doesn't account for that.
#166 is kind of backtracky. "I'm not saying you're scum, but you probably are, at least better than a no lynch, but no worries because I'm not lynching you yet." wat? It looks like an appeal to her good side as well.
#170 I already covered by saying nothing wrong with pressure.
and the #231 re-vote is humorous due to you not paying attention.
Chevre wrote:This is an over-reactive OMGUS. First of all, you're already voting me; second of all, you seem to be voting me in this post simply because you are one of my top suspects. You don't see Darkcoffee, Guido, or pizza voting me, do you?
cjdrum wrote:DeityKabuto wrote:cjdrum <- I've played two games with him, he was inactive and scum in both
Ahem.
I've only been scum at MSonce.
unvote: Cirno
vote: DeityKabuto
Pushing for an easy lynch, etc.
Also, I am suspicion of Cirno. I have no idea how many times ze has changed a list of four people to lead the town, as if like sheep.
Taking advantage of town following any reads anyone gives? Badbadbad.
Ninja'd - wait, do we have separate definitions of "confirmed"? I'm not scum, so you can't be 100% sure of me being scum.
Maybe it's hard for me to post here? Maybe you're all so serious about whatever the hell you're talking about that I can't input my thoughts. Maybe some people need to think, rather than generalize.
Thankyou.
Cirno wrote:>1. If I'm confirmed scum, then thereissomething to be gained from voting me - lynching a scum, duh.
It's almost as if you are just looking for something to attack rather than actually reading my post. Also, you still haven't answered my questions.
>USE THE FREAKIN' QUOTE TAGS! It isextremelyhard to get what's happening on the first read-through of your posts. It looks, on first glance, like you're having a freaking conversation between two sides of yourself!
>implying you going to be around long enough for it to matter.
YankCane151 wrote:Deity do you plan on acknowledging #263 and #264?
YankCane151 wrote:Deity: I'm pushing your lynch by asking questions? You're overreacting a bit.
YankCane151 wrote:Actually the funny thing is that you suddenly don't think Guido, Fighting Shadow, and CSL (slot-wise) are scum anymore even though they were originally on your wagon, but I'm sure scum because I was questioning people(See: scumhunting) and DEFINITELY teams with Chevre by questioning her and not voting. I'm not following your logic.
YankCane151 wrote:confirms the fuzzy-feelings I have when thinking about lynching him~ You attack Chevre and Yank now for pushing a lynch against you and call this normal behaviour from you. Guess what you didn't do at the start of this game~?
Tomie Uzumaki wrote:It's normal to attack those wanting a mislynch? And yet, you wonder why Chevre has you on her scumlist. Based on your statement, this should be normal. Yet, you find her scummy for it. This is the worst hypocricy ever. Just give up.
I also don't see how you answered the questions from Yank as he's wondering why you mention him as player who wants you lynched, while he's asking you questions. And at the same time, you didn't mention one of the players who voted you, besides Chevre.
Tomie Uzumaki wrote:DeityKabuto wrote:Tomie Uzumaki wrote:It's normal to attack those wanting a mislynch? And yet, you wonder why Chevre has you on her scumlist. Based on your statement, this should be normal. Yet, you find her scummy for it. This is the worst hypocricy ever. Just give up.
I also don't see how you answered the questions from Yank as he's wondering why you mention him as player who wants you lynched, while he's asking you questions. And at the same time, you didn't mention one of the players who voted you, besides Chevre.
Well everyone who voted me, I can't reason with why they had a vote that long.
Btw, you're saying that if someone finds me scummy, I shouldn't do anything or attack them, or think that they are scum?
So? Your point with the first statement? It doesn't explain why only Chevre got the attention or why Yank is scummier than the other voters against you, besides Chevre.
It depends on the situation. But that's not what I'm saying. You're attacking Chevre for suddenly having you on her scumlist, which according to you should be counted as normal behaviour. And you didn't question any player on your wagon, until Cirno came along. Your explanations?
Tomie Uzumaki wrote:t depends on the situation. But that's not what I'm saying. You're attacking Chevre for suddenly having you on her scumlist, which according to you should be counted as normal behaviour. And you didn't question any player on your wagon, until Cirno came along. Your explanations?
YankCane151 wrote:Tomie has a point which I don't think you fully adressed. I'm not even voting you(Still not, I'm still on smallpeoples who is still in lurker land >.>), just trying to get a read on you. Basically, why don't you think the rest of the people that were voting you are scum also? Not just "oh there's scum on my wagon" but by your logic they should be on your end-be-all scumlist.
"I do this, because scum always want town lynched, it's inevitable. In games, you will never see a scum try to get his partner lynched, and if the scum does do it, he does something like this "Vote: XXX, 1-2 days later Unvote; Vote: someone else || So later on, in the next day, he can say, well I suspected so and so, so you can't vote me haha or w.e"
Okay, but what does that have to do with asking questions being a scumtell to you?
"Your kind of right, the people who push on me get my attention more."
You weren't on them (Guido, CSL, FightingShadow slots) this hard when they were voting you.
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There's no need to completely overreact as town. It's odd because the wagon on you is even smaller than it was before but you appear to be under more pressure. Remember that if you are town that other townies don't know you're town and so questioning has to happen to clear your name.
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Tomie: As I said, I was suffering from a bit of tunnel vision regarding smallpeoples. It was just a combo of DCJ being more active(where I said, if it leads to him scumhunting then it's null) and smallpeoples active lurking that tipped the scales.
Chevre wrote:DeityKabuto wrote:The whole point of Mafia is to take chances, trial and error. If I can't attack someone for reasons that you call "silly" then that defeats the purpose of Mafia. Who knows? What if Chevre is scum in the longrun? I know my reasons aren't good enough to make anyone believe me, but I will continue to build my case, and if I am wrong about Chevre being scum, than so be it. We are simply town thinking we are lynching scum.
This sounds like you are simply going to choose someone, and then find the evidence as to why they are scummy along the way. When really, you should find the scummy things for all people first, and then choose whoever you find scummiest.
Chevre wrote:DeityKabuto wrote:Here this is for Chevre, then:
Okay, let's get this straight.
- I suspect you for keeping a vote on me for so long, and then unvoting once Cirno tackles you down.
- I also have a minor suspicion of the others on my wagon, but haven't encountered them yet.
- You guys are the only people I actually have reads on, which is a part of my failure so far this game
- You say my reasons for suspecting you are "bull", and now you are using that the defense that "my vote isn't on you" to backup your case whereas you suddenly unvoted me right after pressured aroused on your behalf <- You may be a better player than me, and could have played that out
- I can't be sure that you're scum this early, but I am sure that I will "something" from pushing on your case
I hope you understand.
- I kept my vote on you for such a period because you failed to respond to it. It was one of pressure, so I wanted you to react somehow. I felt that while Cirno did all the hard work for you, your one post where you voted me was a reaction, and at least let me know that you were going to be involved, so I unvoted.
- I would like you to delve into this as soon as possible.
- This can be fixed by the above point.
- They truly do seem like bad reasons to make me almost confirmed scum. I would also like to know where I've used the fact that I'm not voting you to backup my suspicions of you. And I truly don't know if I'm a better player than you; I play very sparingly and therefore have to get reacquainted with the game everytime.
- OK.
Darkcoffeejazz wrote:DeityKabuto wrote:Vote cjdrum
Eh, you've probably already explained before, but could you give me a brief summary as to why you're voting cjdrum out of the blue?
cjdrum wrote:>Cirno doesn't realize that I have nothing to say
>Cirno also doesn't realize that I actually do know that
>Cirno needs to stop instantly assuming I'm retarded, thankyou very much
VitamanR wrote:Also, Deity is town.
YankCane151 wrote:First of all, let's not be in such a rush to lynch. We still have a whole week to deadline, not 4 hours where we have to get a lynch in or else. Let's be rational here.
I Don't like #347 from Deity. It reeks of wagoning and as I said before, we still have a week to deadline, way more than enough time to build your case against cjdrum or whoever.
Guido: I'm pressuring smallpeoples into posting analysis because at this rate he's going to active lurk his way into the endgame.
VitaminR: Why do you think Deity is town?
Guido Crescendo wrote:We are the ‘easy’ lynch, that much is apparent, and the town is lazily trundling towards our lynch. Unacceptable. Step back and see how smoothly this disaster is happening, plz.
It’s rather boggling that we try something different and immediately there's much freaking out. It seems like those on our wagon that are town (if you are there) are trying waaaaaay too hard to see something that isn’t there. I feel that the wagon built on us is a combination of over-zealous townies who are *convinced* that they found something when, in fact, they’re latching onto the first thing that stuck out to them. I’d like to think that some of you are town, but the fact that this seems to be going off without much of a hitch, shows that it’s likely one, or maybe both, of the scum teams are neatly pushing the wagon along.
And that’s freakin’ frustrating.
So tell me if I’m wrong, but the case against us seems to boil down to one silly little drunk post, and one fishing-for-reaction post in early game?
Have you seen scum get caught in something like this before? Does this actually make sense that we are playing towards a scum win con? Or are you just jumping on us because our posts made you notice us? Don’t scum usually attempt to blend in to the crowd? I say in the posts that people are referencing most (drunk, fake-slip); we did the exact opposite of ‘laying low’. Think. There's still a lot of time before deadline.
As for Vitamin, he has parked his vote on us and given very little aside from that in the ways of scum-hunting. He claimed we’ve made both wolf and mafia slips? Lolwat? Lazy play often equals scummy play and I highly encourage more pressure on him. I'm going to reread and see if I can find anything I missed before.
Darkcoffeejazz wrote:EBWOP: However, I suppose it's in your best interests in the future to play how you want to. Eventually you'll establish a meta, I'm sure.
Chevre wrote:God, Deity, you bug me to pieces. First you say this:
DeityKabuto wrote:- I also have a minor suspicion of the others on my wagon, but haven't encountered them yet.
Which leads me to think that in due time, you are going to opine about the other people who voted you, but then you say this in reference to that point:
DeityKabuto wrote:- I really don't have anything to say to them, it's way after they voted me now...
So I'd like to you state how you feel about each of those players who voted you early in the game.
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Guido Crescendo wrote:Cirno wrote:btw i'm gonna quickhammer Guido without a claim if he gets to L-1. You may attack me in advance for this if you like.
Horrible horrible horrible. How does this make any sense if you are town?
Darkcoffeejazz wrote:Yeah that makes sense, I suppose. I would prefer if you got a claim out of him instead of quick-hammering, but I can't control your vote I suppose.
Double horrible. Holy crap. I mean, I was kind agreeing with Guido B in thinking DCJ was scummy when he (Guido B) and DCJ were having their back-and-forth earlier, but DCJ just shrugging and going, “well, you should get a claim from Guido... but I guess a quickhammer is okay” cements it for me. The fact that there's no questioning or outrage in that decision at all is downright baffling.
DCJ: scum.
Vitamin: scum.
Kill them all.
Guido Crescendo wrote:Scott Brosius wrote:This game has been painful to skim and honestly, there isn't much substance. A lot of petty arguments and not much else. This game needs a flip more than anything right now.
Unvote
Vote: Guido
I agree with whoever said that claims in this game are generally fruitless especially D1.
The Scum Brosius credo in a nutshell; why be good when you can be lazy?
DeityKabuto wrote:Someone hammer and watch him flip scum. O;
And you're just a fucking moron; but you already knew that. I bet you're just overjoyed you're likely to make it out of D1 for what's probably about the third time ever.
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Claim: Monk. Now who wants to set themselves up to be lynched tomorrow by hammering me, hmm?
DeityKabuto wrote:Guido Crescendo wrote:Scott Brosius wrote:This game has been painful to skim and honestly, there isn't much substance. A lot of petty arguments and not much else. This game needs a flip more than anything right now.
Unvote
Vote: Guido
I agree with whoever said that claims in this game are generally fruitless especially D1.
The Scum Brosius credo in a nutshell; why be good when you can be lazy?
DeityKabuto wrote:Someone hammer and watch him flip scum. O;
And you're just a fucking moron; but you already knew that. I bet you're just overjoyed you're likely to make it out of D1 for what's probably about the third time ever.
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Claim: Monk. Now who wants to set themselves up to be lynched tomorrow by hammering me, hmm?
Isn't Monk the scumrole and Masons are the good ones? o_o"
LMAFO
Guido Crescendo wrote:Blackberry wrote:Just to reiterate about Guido (from reading Dark & Cirno's posts on this page)... the Werewolves will kill Guido anyways,so there's no point in wasting a LYNCH on him. I'm highly suspect of the fact neither of you care to realize this, or maybe you just don't want to point it out? X_x
Maybe if I make it nice and big they'll actually read it.
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DeityKabuto wrote:That puts him at L-1
since you said that they can be Werewolves or Mafia as well.
Wrong, I cannot be a Werewolf, that's whole point of claiming Monk. Essentially, unless you had some compelling reason to believe I was specifically Mafia the odds that I'm scum just dropped 50%.
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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Darkcoffeejazz
I've already noted several reasons why I think DCJ is scum and his willful ignorance in continuing to try to lynch me doesn't help the matter. Since for some reason no one has any reason in VR and at least BB will support a DCJ lynch that's where my vote is moving to.