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zMuffinMan wrote:My idea for claiming is this: basically just the Hider/HT/det-psych claiming and the hider/det-psych co-ordinating night actions. This narrows scum down to a pool of 9 players and also means PRs can avoid each other (with the exception of the vig-tracker). Lynch one. Hider hides behind another (who he/she announces before nightfall). det-psych and vig-tracker would check/kill whoever they want of the remaining. Scum will target the det-psych first prob, then assuming the hider dies we can go from there. Worst-case scenario is that we go into MyLo D2, but that's happened before and turned out well, so 'sall G. Best case scenario, PRs rock scum and we win, gg.
Scum really cannot counter-claim in this setup, so I don't think counter-claims will be an issue, but if they happen, it can be discussed if/when it happens.
Anyway, I figured I'd lay this idea out here as a basis for discussion, BUT I don't think it should actually happen until much later in the day.
Also a good discussion point is whether or not the vig-tracker should choose to be a vig or a tracker. I personally prefer vig. As long as the vig doesn't take out the det-psych N1 with the hider hiding behindher,I think it's a much better choice than tracker. Although it depends on the D1 lynch, really. If scum is lynched, Tracker might be a better option.
Am I missing something here or did the detective already (soft)claim? Or are you just using a random pronoun because you feel like it?
I don't think a mass claim is going to be beneficial until it is confirmed whether or we have a vig or a tracker. For your set up wouldn't it be more beneficial to have the detective, especially if Mafia fake claim a vigilante?-
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Ok.
Hoopla, what percentage for success would you give your game-breaking set up? I am a little hesitant to go all in, but if it is for the good of the town I will.
pedit: (is this when you edit your original post as someone makes another?) That makes sense. I was seriously confused when he used her to describe detective lol.-
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Ok. I am posting to check in with everyone. I already perused the new posts, specifically Hoopla's plan and than the situation with the Hider role, but I will need to reread the posts again in order to (hopefully) gain a full understanding of the plan. It is a lot to wrap my tiny little head around, so bear with me please.
My opinion still stands though, we should wait until after the first night if the PRs are going to claim. Hopefully the Vigilante doesn't kill a PR on accident.
I have a few reads, but I will post those later when I have more time to think.-
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neil1113 wrote:Okay I'm going to risk looking stupid and probably getting heat from others in this game for "not reading the thread" or whatever, which I'm fine with. Hate me if you want. But I can't quite figure out from the postings between Am and Glow, is the plan a no-go?
Why does it matter if you get heat at this point? If you are legitimate town you wouldn't be scared of such heat. This post shows cautiousness which is somewhat a must for scum.
neil1113 wrote:Glow, you keep bringing up the possibility that Hoopla is scum and using this plan to her advantage? In your mindset, how would this plan benefit the scum team, if you were scum? Because I can only write this off as town minded, considering how it turns the playing field to benefit us, and not them? Unless I've missed something?
It looks like he is trying to fish for some loophole in Hoopla's plan. The post gives me an anti-town vibe especially with the unnecessary last two sentences.
neil1113 wrote:Muffin, I'm with you there. I have very little reads, because I feel like this game is going away from normal Mafia to formulate it's new plan. I would rather this game just get on, either with the plan or without it. But I'm tired of spending the past 7 or 8 (maybe more?) pages between three people discussing the plan...
This post seems nervous. Hoopla at this point already stated the fact that using the plan would be much more beneficial to the town than just trying to play normally. However, Neil wants to ignore this "for the sake of the game". If he was town, he would go with the plan and ignore the fact that it has taken a while to work out all the kinks. Also, this is the first time that he makes any recognition that zMuffin is in the game. It almost seems like at this point he is purposely ignoring zMuffin.
neil1113 wrote:DarkFlashlight wrote:UNVOTE: Neil1113
It was supposed to be a reaction test, but we got really sidetracked, so there never even was a reaction.
To be fair... I didn't even notice you voted for me. Sorry. If you'd like to vote for me again, I'll gladly give you a reaction.
Glowball makes me smile with her style of play, but I think town is wrong to go her direction for today's suspect pool (or in other words, a main wagon on her would be a mistake I believe because I believe her to be genuine town.)
I'm not sure what the case on LittleGreen is, or why people find him/her suspicious? I think I'll have to look over this play slot before I can really comment on it, but I'd like those that are serious about pushing this slot to explain why.
Jakesh I'm pretty sure just dodged the prod, and is lurking. Noted. If you don't have time for the game, why bother playing it in the first place?
Amrun makes me nervous, because she has a "really townie" feel about her. But I'm very tempted to fall into a too townie fallacy with her, so I'm trying not to think about her too much.
Ever since Glow's mention of the possibility of Hoopla being scum and orchestrating this plan, it's got me nervous about the Hoopla slot. I really wish you'd explain to me the benefit to scum this plan would have though Glow, because I just don't see it. And I've tried to imagine it.
Probably the scummiest post of Neils. In my opinion.
The reaction part is negligible. I don't see anything inherently scummy there apart from the fact that he can now "prepare" a reaction. Why bother even saying "vote again, i'll give you a reaction" if you already know it is coming...
The first (real) paragraph and the last paragraph focus on Glowball. He *knows* she isn't scum because she isn't on his team, but is willing to keep her around because she makes other townies nervous and apprehensive. If I was in a scum team I would sacrifice her first, seeing as the scum don't get any power roles to lose and everyone is already suspicious of her playstyle.
Again, though he asks Glowball, what mistake could exist for the scum. He really wants to know and this is inDIRECTcontradiction to his earlier comment saying he wants the game to go "with or without the plan". Why ask that question if you want the game to move forward? You are only impeding yourself by asking another question. In addition, he needlessly adds to the Hoopla paranoia that Glowball legitimately created out of fear. What better way to avoid a mafia murder plan then to peg its creator as scummy?
His LittleGrey comment doesn't give anything of substance here, but his explanation is completely horrible later on in the thread. Plus, he immediately hones in on the fact that people are calling him, zMuffin, and LittleGrey as scum buddies. What do you have to lose here Neil? Those are just suspicions that won't come into play for a while and you can prove your towniness later.
Nothing overtly scummy about his Jakesh comment. Also, Jake is playing the same way in [redacted]. Neil should know that because he is also playing [redacted]. Seems like a fluff comment to give himself credibility when he inevitability goes after the lurker/inactive player for a mislynch.
"Too townie"? Are you serious, Neil? To me this is just fear mongering and fluff to dispel suspicion from himself or another scumbuddy just like the Hoopla comment.
neil1113 wrote:zMuffinMan wrote:PS: Oh, neil... You're scum again, aren't you? That sucks. Was hoping for a town game with you.
How'd you know??? What gave it away? Dangitt, I thought I was doing so good too!
Actually no, not this game. So we have a town game together now! However I'm going to be very upset if we lose.
The first part is completely unnecessary. I think this is an allusion to the zMuffinMan/Neil scumteam that he will *definitely* say is sarcastic or such.
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Grey, now I see why people think you're scummy. Out of the three people you signaled as scum, you picked the one person that is least likely to address your suspicions based on his play this game? I'd have picked Muffin first, since he's active and would be most likely to address my suspicions, then Quilford, because I know Quilfs meta, and I know Quilf will respond if pressured, and THEN FINALLY, if both have cleared their name for the time being in my book, then I'd address Jake. It seems like this post of yours if a false sense of scum hunting, and you just don't really want to be confronted with your reads, so you picked the one person that is least likely to confront you about them and pursued your lynch target on that person.
How does you knowing Quilf's meta help Grey? At all. At this point I think he is trying to push a LittleGrey bandwagon either because he knows she is scum and would thus gain townie cred for "correctly" reading her. However, his answer as to how she is scummy is flimsy at best and is just a filler to get people off his back. He also indirectly supports zMuffin by saying he is active and will be able to address any suspicions as well as throws Jakesh unto the traintracks of a Jakesh/Little Grey scum team possibility later on in the game.
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... Damn. I'll do MuffinMan in another post. I have to go. Again.
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glowball wrote:NEVERMIND- He isn't a replacement.
I read the case and Oversoul just comes off as active lurking to me and then very opportunist with that case on neill. I mean if you ISO Oversoul he hasn't done much in this game until that case and to be fair I've seen scum just float under the radar.
I admit I've been very lurky, but I have been reading the thread. This is actually my most active thread (in terms of my own personal work) and Neil's read was actually my first attempt at an iso. Clearly I have some things to work on. I am doing Muffin's right now and I'll post it when I get done (with spoilers).
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Muffin, you are null-leaning scum.
Glowball, it is funny you say those are slips when they aren't. And I can't accuse Muffin and Neil of doing the same thing? I don't need answers to my questions because I'm not looking for the answers. They are rhetorical questions. I hope your other reads aren't as wrong as this one, Glow.-
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neil1113 wrote:Does it matter who goes first between Hider and HT? Like would it really have a significance of difference if the Hider went before the HT, and the other way around?
I don't think so, but I am pretty sure we have it go as Det-Psych then Hider Tracker then the Hider. Or at least, I think that is set up we established.-
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glowball wrote:Oversoul...I still think you are scum, because you are. However, I want to personally strangle Jakesh sooooooooooooooo there's my new vote-deal.
Oh Glowball. You are so silly. However, I guess we can agree on something. Jakesh is annoying. Just don't beat yourself up too much when you are wrong.-
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neil1113 wrote:Waiting for Jake to respond, is it that important to respond? Couldn't we do.. you know... process of elimination? Have everyone claim and if Jake is left, and you only have 2 claimed PR's, then Jake must be the 3rd.
P-Edit, now that I think about it, the problem with this is that if there are 3 PR's, and Jake is one but hasn't claimed, scum can fake claim a PR and practically get away with it for the moment due to the lurker. Would it be a big deal if we moved on to Hider and HT and then all of a sudden get a counter claim of PR's by Jake? While it's not optimal, I don't see it being that difficult to be able to change in the moment depending on how the plan goes...
Why would we risk any sort of advantage for scum? We will wait in order to fulfill this plan in its entirety.
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neil1113 wrote:Oversoul wrote:Just gonna leave me hanging, Quil...? That's cool. I guess.
Anyway, I have already stated that Neil is scum and one of my reasons is that he has continuallytried to hinder the planwhich I feel like he just tried to do again.
Just wish Jakesh would either replace or ... do anything really.
Last time I checked, "trying to rush things" and "trying to hinder the plan" is contradictory... I'm not sure what you're accusing me of anymore.
If you rush the plan so that it goes out of the already set order or just completely ignore a PR for now, that is trying to hinder the plan. You are hindering the plan by rushing things.
Quilford, I agree on your points except for Amrun being scummy. I have her as leaning town and I don't really understand your #198 comment. Amrun is stating that Glowball wants to do a different plan in order to confirm that Hoopla is townie. Amrun states that this would lose the original efficiency of the plan and then indirectly states that Hoopla is town by saying Glowball knows that the plan is town driven because Hoopla isn't in Glowball's scum group.
Basically, Amrun thinks Glowball's suggestion is a ploy to lose the first night and day and then proceed with the plan after Hoopla has been lynched and confirmed town which Amrun says Glowball would know and scum get a free mislynch, plus they have successfully impeded the plan.-
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zMuffinMan wrote:Need a more replacement, so we can get a jakesh replacement. A side note though, he flaked in another of my games (was lynched just recently for reasons unrelated to his flaking, and flipped VT). So it's not like a scum-lurking tactic. Not to say he isn't scum, but that his inactivity isn't a tell of any sort.
Agreed. He is about to be force replaced in another game that I am in so I don't think scum motives are behind his inactivity, just lack of interest.-
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swankidelic wrote:
On Oversoul v. neil. I've been suspicious of neil from the beginning, and I don't think they're both on the same side. My gut doesn't like Oversoul, but I think that's just his smugness.
Why does no one like me... Makes me feel like I have been ass to you guys, in which case, I am sorry.-
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neil1113 wrote:glowball wrote:Can we just lynch Muff--- he's obviously scum, or just annoying town playing against his win condition.
Who would you rather lynch, anti-town or scum? Remember, they aren't always the same thing.
I'm not for policy lynches usually, but there's such a lack of content this game could anyone really make any cases? No pressure or alignment revelations, just waiting and talking about your favorite Disney movie...
I am going to assume you think my case on you is still tunneling given the above statement.-
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zMuffinMan wrote:No, glowball.
Your job as unconfirmed town is to get lynched or vigged.
My job as confirmed town (pending the remaining two claims) is to sit back and laugh as you get lynched or vigged.
I don't particularly care what you think, and I'm just waiting for this claiming crap to be over and done with.
Why do you have to be so mean? :\ And nice implication that Glowball is scum.-
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evilpacman18 wrote:We're separating it 3 to the vig pool and 6 to the lynch pool, right? Does the vig make the choice of which one to hide in? I was under the impression that the vig would hide in the lynch pool but if all the scum hide in there with him/er then it's still VERY easy for them to hit. The vig choosing which one to hide in ameliorates that issue a bit. Maybe this has already been brought up. I skimmed a lot of the semantics.
*sigh* lol
The vig will hide in the vig pool (6 person pool) for several reasons such as to reduce the amount of guesswork when choosing who to shoot at night, make it difficult how many mafia want to hide in each pool, and avoid the possibility of being lynched or to force a claim.
The vig will only shoot people from the vig pool. The town will only lynch people from the lynch pool.
The vig will still rely on scumhunting tactics, just as the town people will vote for someone to lynch based on scumhunting tactics. The plan just organizes the scumhunting into a more orderly fashion to reduce the amount of mislynches as well as vig-town kills.-
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glowball wrote:I lied. Simple as that, and I know what the scum will say about me "why would you lie if you are town?" Because. I didn't like this plan or outing all of our PRs.
Now, I propose that we don't lynch any of the PRs and we don't go massclaiming.We continue on as normal lynching and viggging, and the scum will eventually be outed as they attempt to knock off the other PRs.
I hope you all forgive me, and I know there will be backlash.
Wait..
So you are in the 3 Non Vig PR pool?
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zMuffinMan wrote:ftr, I couldn't give two shits what you think of me, and a mass claim of PRs isn't happening today.
We proceed with the plan as it was (lynch/vig pool) and sort out the rest tomorrow.
I hope that wasn't directed at me? You're so aggressive. And "it's my meta" isn't a good cover to hide behind because that just implies you're a dick. Naturally.
If we proceed with the plan we either cut one out of the Vig pool or cut it out of the lynch pool. Both of which are undesirable because an either or reasoning is not something you want to pressure town into so early in the game and you give the vig a smaller pool to hide in. Although if I had to choose I would choose to cut the lynch pool as vig is more valuable than a townie in my opinion.-
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zMuffinMan wrote:amrun wrote:Then we see which exact PR has two claims. There will only be one.
We lynch the one we think is scummiest. If we are wrong, the vig shoots the other one overnight. Guaranteed scumkill.
dumb idea. If there's two hider claims, for example, all a mass claim would do is out all the PRs as well as possibly killing the real hider and then another PR dies at night.
You're also overlooking the fact that scum fake-claiming in this group is doing so because they're somewhat confident they won't be lynched after a mass-claim of PRs. Which means lynching the "scummiest" player is a stupid idea.
It is a far better idea to wait until D2 and there are a number of reasons for this. If you actually think about it, you'll understand.
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zMuffinMan wrote:No. Do you have a guilty conscience?
I thought so.
If we are going to lynch someone it is either going to be zMuffinMan or Silver. I trust Glowball's suspicions and she may have just helped us catch scum. Plus, she was very paranoid in the beginning, but I can see the judgement on that is scum behavior (I used it on Neil earlier _-
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andrew94 wrote:but swan didnt claim>?
He is saying Silver claimed because he knew that Swank would not because Swank is also his partner and therefore would not have a power role. His plan was ruined when Glowball came out of the woodwork with her sneakiness (I am curious to know what Hoopla thinks of that action). Either way, I want to nominate Swank for the gallows. Pretty good detective work, Quilford.-
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silverbullet999 wrote:evilpacman18 wrote:Amrun wrote:Your claim is least townie
Glowball's claim exists.
Does not compute.
>scum
evilpacman18 wrote:Well. Let's see. Silver replaced grey who was on my scum reads with Amrun.The weakest of the three but glowball has looked like town the whole time.I'm inclined to believe silver is the scum out of the PR claims but Amrun is scum too. Bussing gambit is all too likely with the way town is raping this setup.
Error Error. Bold does not compute...
No, he is calling Amrun scum by saying that she shouldn't just ignore Glowball's wild claim. Unless you mean something else?-
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Amrun wrote:Yeah, no. Andrew has been pretty scummy up to this point, though this weird self-voting thing is throwing me off. It could be a gambit.
He didn't vote himself?
He hasn't really contributed to anything, but that is his style of play. I am with him in another game and he is acting the same way. Unless he is scum in both game, it is probably the way he participates. I hate using meta, but Andrew... hasn't given much other than meta to analyze.
Also, are you really his sister?
VOTE: Andrew for not really doing anything this game. :\
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zMuffinMan wrote:2 of {neil, Amrun, Coventry} because the rest of the vig pool are town, as are hoopla, andrew and myself. I'm not even going to try to guess who's lying in the PR pool. It doesn't concern me. If I'm still alive when it matters, then I'll get to figuring it out.
It isn't me.
I am fine with a Neil or Amrun vig tonight. At first I felt Amrun was pretty town, but the way she has handled Andrew is not to my liking.-
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I don't think zMuffinMan would be this arrogant as scum unless he had something he could prove later on. I still suspect Silverbullet and Neil and wish someone would vig them tonight.
However, we must not stray from the path that Hoopla set out for us. If zMuffinMan *is* scum then you are all playing into his hand. He is getting under your skin, he is getting you to move away from the well established 2 lynch pool. He is making you all make irrational decisions.
Also, Quilford, a no lynch would give scum the upper advantage to take a free shot at our PRs of course depending on who they would kill it would free up a lot of possibilities, but I don't want to risk a PR.-
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glowball wrote:Oversoul wrote:I don't think zMuffinMan would be this arrogant as scum unless he had something he could prove later on. I still suspect Silverbullet and Neil and wish someone would vig them tonight.
However, we must not stray from the path that Hoopla set out for us. If zMuffinMan *is* scum then you are all playing into his hand. He is getting under your skin, he is getting you to move away from the well established 2 lynch pool. He is making you all make irrational decisions.
Also, Quilford, a no lynch would give scum the upper advantage to take a free shot at our PRs of course depending on who they would kill it would free up a lot of possibilities, but I don't want to risk a PR.
Let's just say this Oversoul- you consult with Hoopla a lot, and so does Muffin so I can only take what you say so much. IF in fact Muffin is scum, I wouldn't be playing into his hand...I'D BE LYNCHING SCUM.
Scum don't want you to proceed with this plan as it is systematic destruction of their faction. If they got you to deviate from the plan that basically ensures their defeat, then they have a higher chance of winning as people can turn that around and WIFOM will be everywhere.
I trust Hoopla. People call her the design breaker, the numbers queen, etc because she is very keen on what can make or break a set up. I highly doubt that scum would come out in the open and state a set up like this. It seems like too much hassle unless she planned to make a set up as scum and coincidentally got a scum role this game.-
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chkflip wrote:People should stop being retarded, too. We don't have time for another wagon.
D1 lynch is andrew, simple as. Get over your townread on the slot and do what's right for the town. Lynch.
At this point the plan is fucked. I applaud zMuffinMan if he is the town because he basically destroyed all the planning we had Day 1. I had a vig read on Neil which is why I gave up so easily on not wanting him in the lynch pool. It was pretty obvious based on his nervousness about the plan and then refusal to volunteer combined with his other remarks towards zMuffinMan. Although, this does make Amrun's slot less town than before and chkflip is suspicious with this comment.
I definitely want Silverbullet to die some time because right now zMuffinMan is giving off town vibes.
Neil, why would you ever do that. You weren't at risk for a lynch.-
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Coventry wrote:The problem with lynching Andrew is that it gives us very little information and for exactly the reasons you outlined earlier, Oversoul, I am very uncertain he is a bad guy. From my first read I was almost sure Little Grey/Silver and Amrun were scum, with Neil close behind, because I didn't think he was reacting to pressure the same way he had in our last game with him (I know, he eventually did). Given how the day has developed now, though, I can't imagine us going forward in any useful fashion without dealing with the 800 pound gorilla that is zMuffin's strangely bullying and seemingly scummily opportunistic play.
Just lynching someone to clear the room is still preferable to no-lynch but the reason for the "easy lynches", Hoopla's plan, is now mangled beyond recognition and I believe strongly that you lynch from information and to get information. It is just not clear to me how lynching Andrew is from the first or would offer much of the later.
As always, if anyone can explain to me how I'm wrong I'll certainly reconsider.
I think the reason you are most likely scum, Coventry is based off your predecessor's play. Jakesh and Evilpacman weren't the towniest of players.-
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