Open 275 - Quack Multiball pt. 2 (Game Over Already?)

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Bump.

Oops, I guess I forgot to lock the thread. Thanks for unintentionally reminding me.

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VOTE: CRAZY

VOTES AGAINST MOD, GOGO!@

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VOTE: BELLA

GO-GO!

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Vote Tragedy

for turning on her previous scum partner so fast.

Oh and first posting! She first posted when she was scum last time too!

Because I'm on when nobody's on.
Oops.

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Guys. I've already declared we are out of RVS. Now, you get to pick to BW D_J, or Lane.

This is easy stuff.

It's easy enough to think you're still thinking it's RVS! Nonsense, silly one <3.

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r

-can we pick people that havent talked yet?

-i also don't see reason to BW (bandwagon?) don_johnson

You can't bandwagon a person when he doesn't have enough good reasoning to do so, little one.

FOS: Lane

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FOS

= Finger of Suspicions
-> Suspiciousness has risen.

Failure.

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@lane: RVS = Random Voting Stage -> Votes people for no good reason -> Yeah.
...You should've started with Newbie Games..

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At the moment, a little pressure will do you good.

Unvote
Vote: Hiraki

Setting the pressure cooker to level 3 (if i can count)

Hiraki: I VOTE HIM FOR BEING SILLY.
Lane: I VOTE HIM FOR LYING!
Shark: I VOTE HIRAKI SO HE COULD BE PRESSURED!
...No...

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Nah, GreyICE.
I just don't care about things too much
Oh right, Bella's vote.. Oops.

Unvote: Bella

Lane still strikes me as Neutral-to-Scum gauge, for the moment. My bad.

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Anything else to add, Bella? Just wondering.

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I don't need to keep a RVS vote on somebody anymore since it's gotten all serious again...ish..
Lane is a noobface-ish.
About shark, I still don't see a reason why to vote Hiraki anymore.

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UGH!! i still do not know if i have said this right. I ONLY SAID I AM NEW BECAUSE I WANTED TO EMPHASIZE I WAS HONESTLY LOOKING FOR CLARITY IN ASKING HIRAKI!!

There was no intentions of incriminating him. he did that do himself when he wouldn't just answer me cleanly. I would use my third wish for you all to understand that.

Obviously, you're trying to say that You thought Hiraki was an idiot and misunderstood his ENGLISH. Then you thought it was scummy and decided to vote him for his idiocy. Translation Completed.

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It's still fun to screw around with people.
Now it's getting ridiculous.
My translations is from my tired brain, duh.
No point into arguing, sir.
Unless you're just pointing an OMGUS or something.
Heck,'it's usually me looking scummy..

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Still RVS? I'm confused now.

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@SHARKFINN: WHY DO YOU BUY WHAT HE 'POSTS'/SELLS?

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lane is obvtown.

Really? Why?

being active is difficult to fake when you are noobscum.

Convinced of lane is obvscum, to you, me thinks?

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Quack Multiball [Part #1]

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link?

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@SHARKFINN: WHY DO YOU BUY WHAT HE 'POSTS'/SELLS?
WHY DO YOU FIND D_J A GOOD TOWN ANYWAYS.

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Since both scumteams have no idea how many scum will be in those, they have no idea what they're navigating around.

Fakeclaims will be MUCH easier to catch.

Those = How many people targeting 1 person or something?
If you mean by how many scum there are, you do know it's an Open game.

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D_J, you never know when 1-4 random scums are screwed over. [Lol, imagine if 2 Scums were killed by Quack, haha!]
So you're trying to discuss about how many people will be dead through a scenario, methinks? If so...;

SCENARIO #1

DAY #1 = 1 DOCTOR/MAFIA/WEREWOLF LYNCHED
NIGHT #1 = BOTH QUACK ATTACKS EACH OTHER, MAFIA/WEREWOLF TARGETS RANDOM PLAYERS, DOCTORS PROTECTS SCUMS
DAY #2 = 2 DEAD QUACKS, 2 DEAD DOCTORS, 1 PERSON LYNCHED

If this happens, 6/12 people would be already dead before Night 2. [But this is a lul scenario]

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Both Quacks can Kill Each Other

.

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Where'd you get 3/11 from?

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well, there are 4 mafia, 12 people total? if he isn't counting himself cause he's mafia as was suggested, that leaves 3 mafia, and 11 people. you know, cause he wasn't counting himself. 3/11. are we clear?

I guess so.
I tend to have bad English readings, despite it was my First Language..

Unless it was Vietnamese.

But then again, if he isn't Mafia (or Werewolf, please don't forget this fact, people), that'd leave us with 4 scums out of 10 people.
More easier for scum to win, I guess.

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Why the Hiraki vote?
Because you're "Fence-sitting", as he said?

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I'm not thinking of that, I'm just mentioning it, since Hiraki said so.

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Can

somebody explain on me?

Also, Bella's comment makes me think that she's trying to get me obviously killed, there.
Obviously like a fish-bait.
I don't know.

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Mmm... GreyICE's plan isn't the worst idea in the world, although I'm not exactly enamoured with the idea of giving scum information they don't need to have.

page 7 and this is Bella's only comment related to the game and its nice ol fencesitting post.

But then again, although I don't like to buddy with somebody I don't care of... But,

IT WAS A PLAN, AND SHE THOUGHT IT WASN'T THE WORST ONE YET. SHE JUST ONLY IMPLIED IT WAS NOT A GOOD IDEA.

. . .

So, we're going to be ending up agreeing to GreyICE's plan now?...

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@TWIE: About lane/sharkfinn votes, why so? I could decide to, or not to. You cannot decide how my reads are, unless you have the power to influence and change the votes, hehe. Not much to read recently, but I can only think you're a lazy bad town or ninja-lurk cautious scum. I don't know, but if you didn't like whats-his-name's vote on Shark, why specifically tell me to vote for him? Also, why did you just only popped up AFTER somebody voted you?

@SF: If your read is null, is voting TWIE the only way you can get his attention?

@TJ: Both inactive? Although I'm usually on Mish Mash, but I'm on other games as well [Maybe by accident, but whatever.] You do know I can't understand anything pretty easily, though. But I dont' get what Bella posted (duh). Mind if you actually reason why Nocman is leaning scum againz0rs?

@NOC: Specifically, I don't like your vote-hopping from different occasions.. Why so?

@L01: I don't have complete suspects currently, is that a scum-tell? But it's probably called 'Town observing', as you mentioned. Can't be so cautious all the time if I were scum, btw. Vague.

@HIRAKI: Keeping at neutral, uhh..

@GI: So why the flavour talk again.. Maybe I'll be going with your plan, but maybe I need to understand it a bit more.

@DF: Why the sudden Bella hate hop? Why the disappearance?

@DJ: Doh, when will we be able to get your reads through dry/noc?

@DH: Do you have any reads on any players? Any opinions about certain people? We expect you to be good, full of love.

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Also, do you not think that lane or Sharkfin deserve your vote?

My bad, I meant about your opinion. Oops.

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is it just me? or does anyone else keep forgetting that

1 out of 3 of us is scum

... I am way too trusting because I can't get a good scum read on anyone, and i need to be more critical. There are way too many scum to not be pointing fingers.... I hope i can offer better reads after a thorough read through.... even though thats so much lol. You'll know when i've read it.

Why so?

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@DF: Why the sudden Bella hate hop? Why the disappearance?

Bella's lack of giving opinions has been bothering me for a while now. I was hoping that by voting her I could put her under some pressure and get a reaction. Not sure what it means that she didn't respond to my vote at all. As for "disappearing" I had a lot to do over the weekend. My activity should be good for the rest of the week.

This is the exact thing that Hiraki thought.
I find it a bit funny and scummy how you guys have the same ideas on whom to lynch or pressure on. (Except the one on me..)

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Lane mostly implies that there's mafias, but s/he forgot to realize there's a pair of Werewolves in this game as well. . .

4 scums, 12 People In-game.
If we mislynched a Quack/Normal Doctor, we're going to end up with 11 people alive.
Tonight, 0-3 people might die.
Making it's 9-11 people alive by Day 2.
Then another mislynch, then 8-10 people alive,
Then 0-3 will die.
Making it 5-8 People alive remaining in Day 3.
If all 4 scums were all alive by then, it's more advantageous for scums to win.

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Don't forget that there's doctors.
Dead ones.

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Dead Ones = You'll be seeing more dead Doctors in 1 Night, unless everyone got lucky and protected each other.
By chance, you can tell what might happen when Majority of the Town Doctors are dead.
6 Actual Doctors, 2 Quacks.
By chance, if majority of the actual doctors die in 1-2 nights, Town is already set to be GG'd.

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Dead Ones = You'll be seeing more dead Doctors in 1 Night, unless everyone got lucky and protected each other.
By chance, you can tell what might happen when Majority of the Town Doctors are dead.
6 Actual Doctors, 2 Quacks.
By chance, if majority of the actual doctors die in 1-2 nights, Town is already set to be GG'd.

hello? suspects? do you have them or are you going to keep filling the thread with information instead of analysis?

It's called "Scenarios". Also, was explaining that to Lane.

@DJ: "COMPETING WAGONS" sounds quite scummy, for some reason . . .

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populartajo, if you're going to make a good case, then please, make an actual one.
About "fluffing", "Zero Analysis", and "Scenarios", it does not automatically put me into an alignment, by the way.
And about YOUR LIST OF ALIGNMENT THOUGHTS, you had forgotten to put

SHARKFINN

. Don't wiggle your way out saying "I forgot to put him in", and shizzles.
More importantly, I don't see a good reasoning from you, just questions, reckless pushes and all of the above.

The only reason Bella is on your neutral radar is because she posted "

He seems well-intentioned

, despite the opinion I stated earlier that has been censored and thus can't be repeated."
I find it complete bullshits.

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Oh, my bad.
I was just glaring at Tajo and find him more scummy than anybody else. Oops.

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Super sorry for not being here guys.

Hate to do this but I think I'm gonna have to let Bella slide for now. Tragedy is just too scummy. Very little scumhunting and when she does attempt to scumhunt, it comes off more as attempting to fling mud than genuinesly find scum.

Unvote. Vote: Tragedy.

Cool story, bro.

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{Had to steal Fenchurch avatar's for a marathon Game. I guess it got me DayKilled. 3:}

But I don't see why Dry-Fit's suddenly agreeing with populartajo again in a different situation, indirectly.

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Maybe its because you look scummy?

Maybe its your refusal to answer questions?

Maybe its because, as he said, you haven't done any real scumhunting?

I answered a question a few posts later.
On "WHOSE THE SCUMMIEST".

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I think GreyICE's plan is really good.
The only problem is the "Quack" part.
Which we don't know of.

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@Dry-Fit: The case that was being mentioned is the so-called "GreyICE's case".

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im ok with geryice plan

but first lets lynch tragedy

tia

1. Although I'm not making a case against you, couldn't you be more aggressive into lynching somebody instead of just sitting and letting the idiot (like myself) do the obvious job for you? You said being actively aggressive is a town tel to you, no?
2. You don't have a case, nor do I.
3. 'Spammy Angry Player of being Misunderstood' = Town Tell ... This is like saying "OH, I'M A NEWBIE. I'M OBVIOUSLY TOWN!"... No.
4. If people misunderstood [including myself] of that Bella shizzle comment, nobody even thought of explaining and you go say "I'm a major scum idiot".. You weren't even helping at all.
5. Where's your ISO? Why are you even bothering to point at Bella yet, you didn't even say shit about her other than putting "SCUM" and "THEY'RE BOTH INACTIVE".
6. Stop trying to point your scummy ass at me although your posts are usually short and I'm trying to make you look scummy here.
You're Obviously still scum here.

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Oh really? Now I keep forgetting to realize I'm not voting? Oshit.

Vote: populartajo

I thought my vote was on him. Fff.

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It's funny how populartajo votes Sharkfinn then goes on with me. I see no offense towards Sharkfinn later on, or any mentions of him. +Scumtell.
Although Sharkfinn mentions of Tajo and puts him on his scum list after the ignorance towards him, there's still no mention of attacking and going offensive towards Populartajo. Really?
And you moved Dry 'till Null because he was lurking, shouldn't it be more obviously scummy?
I do not like the way how I'm being treated of being a non-scum hunter yet, you leave a lurker to null. It's obviously disturbing.

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unvote, vote: dry-fit

i actually like the tragedy lynch better, but i find myself trusting the members of the dry wagon much more atm. this evens them at 4 a piece.

grey: go ahead with your plans as far as i'm concerned, what do you mean about the "shark" thing? are you interested in his lynch? i don't think its advantageous to go outside of our two leaders right now.

everyone not voting tragedy or dry-fit should be choosing one or the other.

Mind if you explain why I'm obvious scum? I understand of Dry-Fit [But populartajo is SCUMMM...]
New reads, bro?

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Mind if you explain why I'm obvious scum? I understand of Dry-Fit [But populartajo is SCUMMM...]
New reads, bro?

i didn't say you were "obvious scum". overall, you, hiraki, and lane seem like VI to me, imo that means you read like you're scum regardless of your alignment. i have no meta on any of you, so it is hard for me to compare to anything else(i generally don't do neta, i find it unreliable). in any case, the three of you stick out as most lynchable on day 1 because of that. your wagon, on the other hand, does not seem like a trustworthy bunch, so i hesitate to vote you. taj is gut scum read, twie may actually fit into the VI category, dh is tarting to look scummy to me, and dry has that "scum playing safe" feel. on the other hand, bella hasn't done anything overtly scummy at this point, greyice is either scum playing extremely well or town with a plan, and shark is mellow for me. i'd rather be with peeps i trust. if i had a dayvig i'd have already shot taj. i think one of you or dry is scum and that is why this lynch seems to be difficult. i'm leaning dry, with dh as possible partner, but the fact that neither you, hiraki, lane, or nocmen has moved to one of the lead wagons kind of puts the spotlight on all of you when one of these lynches goes down. i was voting taj way back when, and i think that ship has sailed, so if you get the dry case, then join our wagon. what we need now is greyice to follow through on this plan.

So I guess you agree to that plan, methinks?
Regardless to say, I'm feeling the fact of GI as reasonable town or too-townie scum here, but I can't balance that out and pick one.
Any-the-ways, the Dry-Fit case is reasonable, as for a fact of the random vote against me and my 'scum-hunting' is damn 'rubbish' to him..
I have to admit, I do agree with the latest post on TWIE & Bella, though. So basicalllyyy...
DRY-FIT > populartajo > or < Sharkfinn > TWIE

I don't get the Bella case, though.

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unvote, vote: dry-fit

i actually like the tragedy lynch better, but i find myself trusting the members of the dry wagon much more atm. this evens them at 4 a piece.

grey: go ahead with your plans as far as i'm concerned, what do you mean about the "shark" thing? are you interested in his lynch? i don't think its advantageous to go outside of our two leaders right now. everyone not voting tragedy or dry-fit should be choosing one or the other.

dont know what the eff tragedy is talking about 95% of the time, i find it hard to justify voting for her at the moment as well. To me, she misunderstand everything that has been said, and/or willfully is construing what some people are saying. I just don't understand, and not knowing what someone means is not a reason to vote for someone. Dry has... 13 posts i think? All with not a whole lot.

If you can vote for dry, i think its just as easy to vote for bella.

I also don't think that not voting the two most popular wagon's is scummy at all.

Easy to vote for Bella..?
Although dry may be scummy, it's not like Bella is easily scummy in the same way as Dry-Fit..

[Although people rather not read my posts or don't understand 'em, just ask. I'm still not getting the Bella case, can someone at least EXPLAIN to me..?

It's still annoying that my point is rather factual too

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The Dry-Fit situation is up for a call..
Thanks for making me change some stuff of Bella, bro!

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Well, as I'm thinking of what GI is saying now..

Shark & PT.

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dj has been scum, oh, since start of game. Dry-Fit wasn't good, but dj scum has been an evolving disaster in this thread. Evidence and reasoning exist.

So you're saying DJ should be todays lynch, no matter what?

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Clearing the grid?
That was..evidence..?

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unvote vote: don jhonson

Oh really now?

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yeah really

Why the so?

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I would have wholeheartedly agreed with voting D_J.
@Nocmen: Mind if you simplify why your vote was on Hiraki again..?

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I would have wholeheartedly agreed with voting D_J.

?

If I didn't think you were scum, of course..

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Firstly, you mentioned of being aggressive is town, right? I don't see that logic being applied to you, at all.
You also mentioned being a 'Spammy Angry Player of being Misunderstood' is actually a town tell. It's like saying "I'm a newbie, bla bla bla," which makes it a newbie town tell now?
You called me an idiot earlier, I think. I was asking of the Bella situation, which I soon got an answer form whats-his-name, I was completely confused of so.
About the Bella Case, you mentioned that she's scummy. The only thing I read is "She's Scum" or "She's inactive". Basically, you can't call this an ISO of a person...

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-In Before Lane asks what 'popcorn' is, it means that whom we targeted-

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i will be voting for populartajo or don... these are my suspects. i have not decided yet. right now, its just how i feel after reading 18 pages of the game. i will be ta

So why is your vote still on Hiraki?...

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@DJ: You're practically wrong. It's not a '2 Scum' game, but a '4 Scum' game. Also, who was I defending..?
@Shark: And why are you even wanting to lynch me sometime soon~? I'm pretty, sure that you're tempted to not understand that I answered some questions.

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@PT: Your eyes fail to succeed you. His vote

is

on you.

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'-1' means that -1 Respect or Towniness or something?

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...Since when did I actually voted you.. Not like I remember, but I only called you out.
Populartajo remains as the biggest scum read ever.

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yeah, idk. like -1 point from towniness i suppose. i dont have an excel spreadsheet keeping track lol. i'm just saying, its not enough to want to vote for him.

So based on your scum reads, it will be like...
Hiraki > Populartajo > Dry-Fit > GreyICE
...Right?
Or am I doing this wrong again, but you haven't provided a simple list, so yeah..

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@PT: Your eyes fail to succeed you. His vote

is

on you.

i dont get what you are trying to say here

i could write a book on this one. i clearly define how i feel about the aforementioned players. how does one decide whether or not to lynch a player who always reads like scum?

you had me as scum, right? why didnt you vote for someone that you think is scum (me) rather than someone who always reads like scum (tragedy) and therefore could still be town?

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You do know that there's usually a pre-game when something is planned out, right? Would be nice if you could actually read something a bit more properly.
You, wouldn't even at least explain of the Bella situation, despite you find a spammy player town. He's got more attention by spamming with none or plenty of content, but you, would just ignore the explanation of the Bella situation which I asked a lot, but now you explain about it.

-_-..

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@Taj: Scums have Night Talk in beginning of game = "Pre-Game" -> Scum would be planning something out during the little time

Wayy before: I asked about Bella case before, and you ignored my post from it. [+Not-So-Nice-of-You]. A spammy newbie player who gets more attention with plenty of [useless] content, makes you think he's town. Seriously, is he even aggressive like you originally thought town would be?

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Don_Johnson has been far more reasonable than how I see populartajo at the moment.

Look at how I first played my terrible scum lost in Frenzy Mafia as a newbie Scum.
For a spammy and contentless newbie, I was quite being on suspicions for a

long

time. I claimed real badly, I guess everyone hates Survivors. -_-..
Anyways, I'm quite sure he ignored my other post AGAINST him, which I can't stand when it's pretty reasonable, yet he ignores the few pointers and I don't still don't see a better case against me from PT.

I'm too focused on populartajo, but I should try reading don_johnson at the moment.

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I'm straight to lynching don_johnson tomorrow.
We can't let the obvious scum getting his ass away.

Also, dj actually likes hopping on people.

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@Nocmen: Do

you

have a proper reasoning why you're choosing to lynch DJ OTHER than following people?

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Swift reading on Hiraki...
I don't see anything scum-hunting at all-ish.

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Can we replace Lane with someone who can read this game?

yes accidents happen on all ends... weird

Can we actually get important reasons from TWIE and Lane now?

--

DJ, although I hate being refered as 'he' along with the name mispells, you could have just repeated my name all over again and again. If you're gender-confused, then just say the user's name, gender isn't always the case into not referring to somebody.

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I can do this.

Vote Dry-Fit

Are you serious now? Is your vote going to be following GreyICE's now?

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No quacks dead? Ouch.
I wanted to find out if I had quack powers if I hit SharkFinn.
I guess that didn't work.
If I wanted to protect somebody, I'd be protecting Bella or GI.

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Oh really? Why am I scum then, Lane?
Why DH instead of shark?

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why did you pick thewayitends?

If you could read correctly, I'm pretty sure it would mean he's going to choose TWIE to protect tonight.
Unless he dies, otherwise.

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I need water, the stomach kills.

But anyways, populartajo still screams scum in this occasion.

VOTE: POPULARTAJO

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So, TWIE.
although you claim to protect GreyICE, isn't it tad strange you found him quite suspicious in one of your posts?
Did you not think that protecting a strange possible leaning scum though of you thinking that GreyICE has done something strange, yet you still protect?
Shouldn't a regular doctor protect their most towniest player instead of a null player? Tad strange, tis is.

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No quacks dead? Ouch.

I wanted to find out if I had quack powers if I hit SharkFinn.

I guess that didn't work.
If I wanted to protect somebody, I'd be protecting Bella or GI.

@PT: In an occasion that scum(s)/Quack(s) would hit Hiraki and the other guy.
I'm pretty sure your partner(s) or you yourself hate one of the dead people.

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Sorry, Partner. Without a S. Oops.

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tragedy: claim your night action and then choose the next claimant.

Two posts ago declares the Night action. >_> In Bold.

Picks on Bella

.

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Never mind. But seeing that they were both of your town reads, I assume you would at least destroy one of them during the Night since you're pretty focused on me.

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why is the donjhon wagon bad?

because it has no substance.

^

The wagon is based on a slight slip of tongue and everything else feels based on that. Basically, we are building a tower on a poor foundation. It's not going to stand and we are going to mislynch. I don't like this wagon at all. I believe Don-john is geniune town. I don't like his lynch one bit.

The above quote is pretty stupid. How is DJ genuine town to you, other than bigger contents and stuff?

You say; "Don_jon never answered why he flipped from GreyICE to populartajo" & "Both flipflops are disturbing, but I still feel both are town tunneling each other and a lynch of either of them is not good."

Might you enlighten us about the above?

"I prefer to lynch Dry-fit 100% and PT next. You are the only other person worth lynching for previous reasons of talking setup and no reads. But that is if no other lynch can form that sways my vote. I'd rather have a lynch (even if it's wrong) than not at this stage."

My gosh, so you're just going to blame it only on me? I wish you could read better, since you're pretty worthy enough to get a bitchslap.

Extremely sorry about that. I was planning to post something, but the hotel that I recently stayed out, recently lost connection. Therefore, I couldn't post. I'll get something huge before the deadline.

Yay I am excited on the thoughts of this. I hope you can help me show how the DonJohn wagon is bad and how someone (not named me) is a better lynch today. <3

Yet, you really needed another guy just to defend yourself? Really?

Not a lot of time to post, but few quick comments

1. Damn, I think Hiraki's e-penis grew for me. I like that he posted and will come up with rebuttals later.
2.

for prosperity

donjon
tragedy

sharkfin
dryfit

How the fuck am I on dry-fit's team if i wanted him lynched from the start?

3. Finally the dry-fit wagon is a go. .

RETAINING VOTE ON SCUM

My current reads:

Town:
GreyICE
SharkFinn
lane0168

Leaning town:
DemonHybrid
don_johnson

populartajo

Hiraki

TheWayItEnds: I like his activity
Nocmen: Already said I put him back here

Null:

TheWayItEnds

Tragedy

Dry-fit
Bella (Not scum yet)

Leaning scum:

Bella

Nocmen

Tragedy: Still never answered that question. No scumhunting
populartajo: Ignorance is not bliss. Why did you leave me out?

Scum:
No one yet

Unvote TWIE cause i love him now <3

Vote TheWayItEnds

Active Lurker is bad scum. Lack of anything substantial in posts is disappointing. Could change if I like what he posts (if he posts more -_-).

You were NOT hunting Dry-Fit since the beginning, no lying here. You were mostly hurting TWIE, but then called him Town again. >_>
You suddenly changed your mind about TWIE and went back to Dry-Fit after that stupid comment of his and GreyICE convinced you. You only started mentioned Dry-Fit upon your 22nd post, and on and on and whatever.

["@Bella: lack of time so I summarized what I glazed over. Basically, I dont find you scummy enough to lynch today."]

So Bella is scummy to you? I'm pretty confused now.

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you know guys, tyou can still vote right?

prod bella plz.

I'm pretty sure Bella has been inactive for a DAY and a few hours.
Unless I read the Activity overview wrong.

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That's strange, who targeted Nocmen?

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Two of me? Huh?
Intercepted?

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demonhybrid is left

I'm pretty sure he's V/LA 'till tomorrow.

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You probably should have remembered that some peeps were claiming night actions since ir started with GreyICE, right? [He said that next poster chooses a person who will make a Night Claim and bla bla bla..]

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I'm still wondering; Why would anyone not actually bother protecting Nocmen if he's a Town Read for some people?... Unless I'm wrong, he's pretty ignored and all..
Then again, I did wanted to try if I was a Quack Doctor on Sharkfinn..

-Before somebody asks my Scumreads-
Populartajo > SharkFinn > TWIE (?)

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I love going through all his posts and going to put them in the spoiler since there's too many quotes.

Spoiler: So Many Quotes of PopularTajo.. Important-Yet-Stupid Ones, At least.

town

greyice
lane
hiraki
nocmen

neutral

dryfit
donjhonson
demonhrid
thewayitends

scum

bella
tragey

Unvote Vote: tragedy.

im a lazy ass and havent read previous games as Id like to. The only game Ive read is one where Glork suggested pairs targetting each other. thoughts about this?

I think greyice0s plan sounds about right, nonetheless he is def town for trying to break the game. lane and hiraki are still town for activeness and nocmen for good reasoning.

as for reasons of why bella and tragedy are scum are that both are really inactive, both strategically post and they fail at scumhunting (zero suspects.)

In terms of Grey's plan, I'm not sure what the advantage of it is supposed to be. That it guarantees more people will be targetted by night actions i.e. less likely to have five people target the same person? I'm really no good at setup speculation.

Tajo I love the Bella hate, why are you voting for Tragedy instead?

Unvote. Vote: Bella.

Tragedy is scummier as she has more posts (trying to appear active).

Tajo's an idiot. Following him isn't exactly a path to winning games - especially when his entire case on me is essentially that I'm playing to my established town meta.

Your town meta is to not post a single thought for the first half of the game and then fencesit when you do? Who knew?

My town meta is to be lurky, cautious and indecisive, especially in the early game. A fine example of this would be, say, the first iteration of this game.

what is your scum meta?

do you have any other game with this behavior?

you are pretty agressive and seem intelligent enough for that town meta. Why do you think your current town meta is a good one?

Tragedy

Firstly, you mentioned of being aggressive is town, right? I don't see that logic being applied to you, at all.

Im being agressive. I attacked you and Bella for not having scum suspects. Im attacking don_jhonson and calling him scum. How isnt that agressive?

You also mentioned being a 'Spammy Angry Player of being Misunderstood' is actually a town tell. It's like saying "I'm a newbie, bla bla bla," which makes it a newbie town tell now?

Lane is town because he is spammy and noob scum isnt spammy since he is nervous of getting caught. That is the town tell.

You called me an idiot earlier, I think. I was asking of the Bella situation, which I soon got an answer form whats-his-name, I was completely confused of so.

when did I call you an idiot?

About the Bella Case, you mentioned that she's scummy. The only thing I read is "She's Scum" or "She's inactive". Basically, you can't call this an ISO of a person...

Being lurky is a scumtell. Having no suspects is a scumtell. Her iso didnt have any suspects. Thats why I thought Bella was scum. (and Im beginning to think it again since she is being inactive again.)

is that your case against me? is that why i am the biggest scum read ever?

donjhonson is full of scummy reasons to vote people. For example:

i dislike populartajo.

unvote, vote: populartajo

never was explained.

unvote, vote hiraki

Taj: I prefer competing wagons. Hiraki had less votes.

voting for a not so strong scum read, using competing wagons as an excuse.

unvote, vote: dry-fit
i actually like the tragedy lynch better, but i find myself trusting the members of the dry wagon much more atm. this evens them at 4 a piece.

voting for a not so strong scum read, using shady members on the wagon as an excuse.

reason for suspecteing tragedy
i didn't say you were "obvious scum". overall, you, hiraki, and lane seem like VI to me, imo that means you read like you're scum regardless of your alignment.

this is important, tragedy is not a strong scum read, im not even sure dj sincerely believes tragedy is scum here.

unvote, vote: tragedy

because we need to lynch and i think this wagon is fine. the fact that grey avoided this wagon only makes it more appealing.

because we need to lynch when we are 4 days aways from deadline. really?

AND HE UNVOTES THE ONLY PERSON HE IS SURE IS SCUM: GREYICE.

ok. thanks for clearing that up. it makes grey's actions a bit less nefarious. i still dislike the dj vote so close to deadline. i would still like to note that grey has posted no case other than the mathematical error despite stating that evidence and reasoning exist. i would like to continue to voice my displeasure with the calling of targets.

he didnt realize deadline was on the 4th?

he seriously thinks donjihonson is scummier than dry?

the scummy thing here is not greyice voting for someone who was a scum read days ago.

the scummy thing here is donjhonson voting for someone who was a neutral/town read days ago with no drastical change.

yeah, but a lot of the same thing.

greyice keeps suporting his plan and its implementing it now.

what its scummy to me, is that dj has disagreed with her plan all the time but thought that greyice was neutral/town as the post I quoted proves.

i dont see nothing really drastical in greyice play that could change that previous read and the reasons that dj use are scummy as hell: (a)the grid was built by Crazy, not by her; (b) voting for a minor detail when dj himself admitted that was a miscalculation for his part; (c) creating confusion when we are 5 days aways from deadline.... god, ive seen wagons on large games grow in 12 hours.

basically those are not reasons to think people are scum, even more change the previous neutral/town read you had on him/her.

Dr. Bella (4) - Dry-fit, Hiraki, DemonHybrid, lane0168

Greyice, bella, there is scum on this wagon, y or n?

Oh, my bad.
I was just glaring at Tajo and find him more scummy than anybody else. Oops.

tragedy what IS your case against me?

Ok, Bella is getting neutral status as for last post.
Hiraki is town.
Tragedy needs rope. Inmediately.
Greyice what exactly is your problem with me?

Pretty much every post you make. Your ISO is one long string of nothing.

id like some evidence with this accusation. You disagreeing with my reads/my reasons/etc dont make my posts suddenly a long string of nothing. Actually, I am one of the few that has expressed reads ON EVERYONE. What about Tragedy's posts? What about Bella's posts? Are they full of reads?

Ok, Bella is getting neutral status as for last post.

So, uh... just posting something that doesn't say your scum is good enough to get on your neutral read list? Sweet. I don't see any reason why you would supect me before that post and not afterwards.

there is no reason to call me scum. only scum and people that fail at mafia could suspect me at this moment.
Also you see the reason why I suspect you(failure to have scum suspects). If you disagree with it that is different from not being any reason.

Dead Ones = You'll be seeing more dead Doctors in 1 Night, unless everyone got lucky and protected each other.
By chance, you can tell what might happen when Majority of the Town Doctors are dead.
6 Actual Doctors, 2 Quacks.
By chance, if majority of the actual doctors die in 1-2 nights, Town is already set to be GG'd.

hello? suspects? do you have them or are you going to keep filling the thread with information instead of analysis?

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as for reasons of why bella and tragedy are scum are that both are really inactive, both strategically post and they fail at scumhunting (zero suspects.)

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Tragedy is scummier as she has more posts (trying to appear active).

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you are pretty agressive and seem intelligent enough for that town meta.

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Being lurky is a scumtell. Having no suspects is a scumtell. Her iso didnt have any suspects. Thats why I thought Bella was scum. (and Im beginning to think it again since she is being inactive again.)

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Ok, Bella is getting neutral status as for last post.

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So, uh... just posting something that doesn't say your scum is good enough to get on your neutral read list? Sweet. I don't see any reason why you would supect me before that post and not afterwards.

[Bella]
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there is no reason to call me scum. only scum and people that fail at mafia could suspect me at this moment.

By the case above, saying that "There's no reason to call you scum" is scummy, and you're implying that I would be scum or failing at mafia for suspecting you at this moment. It's like saying you can't be scum at all, but there's possibility you CAN be scum.
Firstly, you suspected Bella and myself for lurking, being inactive and 'failing' at scumhunting. [Tsk] Then you're looking at me and saying I'm trying to be active, which is pretty an important aspect to get the game to going and get some arguments going, no? And then you're calling Bella pretty intelligent and 'aggressive' for a town Meta. So it feels like you're calling me stupid and unaggressive [indirectly] too? Seriously, and are you leaning Bella to town or neutral here? That's what I don't get. And it's pretty obvious you're not voting Bella since you're her possible scum-buddy, after reading that you call her scum, then suddenly Neutral, but you never voted on her, ever. EVER.

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I think greyice0s plan sounds about right, nonetheless he is def town for trying to break the game.

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greyice keeps suporting his plan and its implementing it now.

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i dont see nothing really drastical in greyice play that could change that previous read

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You disagreeing with my reads/my reasons/etc dont make my posts suddenly a long string of nothing. Actually, I am one of the few that has expressed reads ON EVERYONE. What about Tragedy's posts? What about Bella's posts? Are they full of reads?

These are the only reasons while reading of you thinking GreyICE is TOWN. Seriously, Breaking the Game and just Plans make it sound like he's just town like that? Why are you so obsessed that GreyICE is your Town-Read after that 4th point? Why are you suddenly pointing at somebody else instead of defending your self, just to make it look like an actual defense? Why are you so positive that there's nothing drastic in GreyICE's play that changes your town read [or previous reads] on him/whatever people? Any person would try breaking the game, that's no good reason into thinking somebody's town like that. You're just trying to influence people to vote DJ just because GreyICE started it and his post above the voting against don. Really, it's like I can see him following his own possible scum-partner blindly.

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[Also, what's tunneling? Got pretty confused by that term for a LONG while.]

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VI=Village Idiot -> Idiot.

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So you're trying to imply here that Nocmen = 'No Brains' = Obvious Town?
This isn't how Mafia goes, DH. It's just saying you're leaving scums behind.

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lane is pretty obviously town with a bizarre playstyle, since day 1.

we should be lynching don jhonson.

Why are you defending lane, it makes you look more scummier, btw.

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@Lane: "I'll defend populartajo if i feel he is being misrepresented... if don's so scummy, you shouldnt need to skew his play to your one track mind. so maybe i was defending him... i def am now... but more i was telling you that you were wrong"

What do you mean?

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Let's assume Sharkfinn is suspicious.

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@DJ: Although I have an irrelevant question here... Why does mathematical 'conclusions' help us again?

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Disappointing here~

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TWIE: Opportunitism + Easy claim = SCUM. It's easy to protect the player who takes control and lays down the plan. Hence my vote on you.

Behalf on my impartial concern here, but didn't GreyICE started the idea of setting up a list and make EVERYONE on that list claim to protect the.. I mean, target 'em? I'm pretty sure TWIE claimed.

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if you are town, do not protect anyone.

let scum go for the cross-kill.

Cannot compute. Please read the rules. ~Not-So-Loved, Tragedy

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Scum cannot kill each other.

Yes, they can.
-Crazy

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Never mind. I misread it again.

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If we're going through what DJ suggested, letting "Scum kill each-other", pretty obvious that we don't know whose screwed tonight.

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DonJohn:
1. your plan sounds good, but
2. I'd rather lynch scum today.

vote TWIE

Screw my argument, lynch the scum and make his buddy have to shoot right.

Oh god, really?
His plan didn't involve lynching scum yet... He was most likely talking about the NIGHT PHASE.
L2Read.

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This is sort of confusing, GreyICE.
How come DJ has suddenly moved up your list in town reads? Or is that list of numbers just for a different reason?

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C-4...
Haha, C4.... The nuke?

...Expedient plan? I think we could go with dj's plan to let scum kill each other, unless someone has anything else to think of.

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I have a small suggestion (that may be retarded).

Why not One person target Another player, while the other playr attacks another, then another attacks the other, than bla bla bla.
1 Person targets another one at a time.

It can help us identify the truth of quacks or scum...

..Small thought.

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>Vote's still on populartajo.
>Fails to see how he's town.

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Lane's recent posts doesn't strike town to me, lately...
...Uhh...

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unvote
vote:Bella

yes i do want to win...

Is Bella friggin scum or town here? I thought populartajo was high in your list...

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twie is probscum. suffers from "beetljuice" syndrome, and when he does show up, contributes absolutely nothing.

someone please lynch bella so we can move on. this thread is like 5 pages longer than it needs to be.

Though I agree, there's a point I might find scummy teh-here.
But wahtever.

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I can't call Bella motivatively scum here.
She looks pretty null here.
I don't see any town or scummy from her either.

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tragedy, shark, do you guys think there is town motivation for lurking in this game?

And the lurking goes to...?
TWIE, Bella... Umm.....Mmm......

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And your point is..?

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I'm "stalling" because I don't want to push us into night without discussion of best course of night actions? As far as I'm concerned anyone who hammers before we have a chance to do so is obvscum.

Seems almost like that seems to be the point of you pushing for a lynch.... ANY lynch quickly.

I. Suggested. A. Damn. Idea.
Read further.

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I have a small suggestion (that may be retarded).

Why not One person target Another player, while the other playr attacks another, then another attacks the other, than bla bla bla.
1 Person targets another one at a time.

It can help us identify the truth of quacks or scum...

..Small thought.

@TWIE.

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I still hate TAJO.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT LAST POST WAS PRETTY TOWNIE.

Unvote; Vote: Sharkfinn

I like that contradiction of Sharkfinn, however.
Sharkfinn is my 2^nd most scummiest, suspicious person on my list.

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^ Reference to don_johnson, n'est-ce-pas?

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Really, lane? REALLY?
Wait, I'm pretty sure Sharkfinn was FAR in your list of scum, way after Bella.
What made you vote Bella now?

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We can always try having 2 people target one person, then 2 people with another, then yeah.
Not sure if that works.

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....Hypoclaim?
If you mean we're going to claim who we're targeting tonight, then I'm going to shoot nobody.

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I suggest that either Tajo or TWIE dies tomorrow.

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Well, Grey. You claimed you were Quack, right?
Who knows if by chance that you're better off quacking him tonight.
Unless he was scum or protected.

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uhh, dj.
Why are you constantly voting for yourself?

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Holy shit.

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So I have to assume that GreyICE had targeted don_johnson since he believed that he was an actual quack?

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I protected GreyICE last night due to being the highest on my town list before this all happened. I am honest about this.

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He protected me? ?

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But, if I had to ever guess that SCUM would possibly target the most of the towniest towns, then you wouldn't even know you were quack or that you knew that they were scum.
Hun, you never know when the target WAS protected. Even if you were quack or scum.

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So you're going to mix me and Bella together?

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I'm sure we all went through the idea I thought of, right?

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Remember the idea that everyone should target different people? 1 person shouldn't have 2 people defending 'em.

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Unless you meant Night 1, then it's a different story.

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let me get you (now with names edition)

we lynch Tragedy.

You quack Bella. Nobody else protects. 4 alive.

a) Bella dies. Scum nightkills. We enter tomorrow at 1 scum and 1 town alive. Fail.

b) Bella doesnt die. She is scum. Lynch. ???. Profit.

While I think scenario b is the most likely after isolating Tragedy, in case Bella is town, we lose.

1 scum 1 town alive?
You know math?

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Noooo...
Wait, what if Bella lives while being protected? 0_0
..Also, either you can't do MATH right..tajo...
Then yip..
Q('.'Q)

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And then you're not fitting me with you because "you know it"... Right?

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Questions~
Why the town read on Tajo after one post?

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It's facts, that are pretty interesting.
But I'm not even sure why would almost everyone just bother GreyICE, although he's potentially the towniest of the Doctors.
You sort of just thought my cases on you were sort of like toilet paper or whatever.

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Well...

Spoiler: 2 Different Scenarios

Scenario #1

1. Tragedy/Bella Gets Lynched -> Flips Town
2. Scums target Populartajo/GreyICE/Bella/Lane

> Populartajo dies due to scum
> Populartajo dies due to Quack
> Populartajo lives due to being Scum
> Populartajo lives due to being Protected
> Populartajo lives due to not being Targeted
> GreyICE dies due to scum

> GreyICE lives due to being Protected

> GreyICE lives due to not being Targeted
> GreyICE lives due to being Scum
> GreyICE lives due to actually not being a Quack and killed by a Quack
> Lane dies due to scum
> Lane dies due to Quack
> Lane lives due to being Scum
> Lane lives due to being Protected
> Lane lives due to not being Targeted

3. Bella/Tragedy is quacked

> Bella/Tragedy lives due to protection

> Bella/Tragedy lives due to scum
> Bella/Tragedy dies due to quack

4. Lane/GreyICE/Populartajo/(Bella or Tragedy) lives Endgame with 2/3 Towns & 2 scums alive -> LyLo or Automatic End-Game

Scenario #2

1. Bella/Tragedy Gets Lynched -> Flips Scum
2. Scum targets Populartajo/GreyICE/Bella/Tragedy

> Populartajo dies due to scum
> Populartajo lives due to being scum
> Populartajo lives due to not being attacked
> Populartajo lives due to protection
> Populartajo lives due to not being Targeted
> GreyICE dies due to scum

> GreyICE lives due to being Protected

> GreyICE lives due to being scum
> Lane dies due to scum
> Lane dies due to Quack
> Lane lives due to being Scum
> Lane lives due to being Protected

3. Bella/Tragedy is quacked

> Bella/Tragedy lives due to protection

> Bella/Tragedy lives due to scum
> Bella/Tragedy dies due to quack

4. Lane/GreyICE/Populartajo/(Bella or Tragedy) lives Endgame with 2/3 Towns alive and 1 Scum Alive -> LyLo

If Scenario #2 happens, and we happen to mislynch the next 1-2 day(s), then yeah- Scum is going to win.

@Lane: So...
Why Bella < Tragedy, other than the given so-called "proven" points, GreyICE has shown us?

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Then how's poptown town?

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It's not like Bella's going to be protected tonight, neither am I.

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Hey Tajo, why so consistent on GreyICE should deserve the win if he's scum-
Is that implying that your possible scumbuddy just made you look town then you give up cuz he's going to win the game?

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Also, I still did not receive an answer for the question of why "Tajo is town".

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...
...
...
And it happened again...
...

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I'm pretty pissed at that "derpherp" vote-ish there.
At least we won this round so I won't flip 'n rage over it.

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I still didn't get how tajo was hte most obvious town player in the end anyways.
But he was town, and anyone would expect lane to obviously be scum if I were driving 'em.

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Also, that idea to kill DH actually went well, for once. xD

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> First scum win
> First/Second Game to get hammered by scum buddy = Rage
> Scumbuddy did well
> I thought Lane > Tajo as an obvious town tell

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Or it could be, since we both have different thoughts as scum

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I honestly never had any faith.
Well, true-that~
It pretty looked like you were obvious scum-confused, ftw
Also, the buddy hammer.
It's depressing. :\
It came out of nowhere

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Well, it was obvious you would go for tajo. Nobody would defend him for not being so townie

Lolreally, Bella? Then you would've been killed.. Twice

[Tragedy]

Props for tajo being a bait.

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:thumbs up:

At least derpherp votes don't crawl to you