Open 285 - Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over

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Hi Toastasterone! <3

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Hey mod,

Give Toasty a warning and replace him if he does another personal attack

Woah, hey, what??

Please tell me you're not serious with this...

Yes, I have no clue whether that was serious or not. - MOD

Hi Toastasterone! <3

You sure put a lot of time into my names

Well I only did the two (maybe three?)...this one is technically a repeat...

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Oh dear...I need to fix my sleeping schedule. Sleeping during prime gaming hours apparently give me pages to read up on when I wake up. Bah.

So...yeah...

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I'm a little behind, but...

Also, just a few questions for everyone:
1) What's the most fun? Fire, Ice, or...Town?
2) What's your game experience?
Feel free to add any other questions you think are helpful.

1) Ice
2) This is my first non-hydra game, so little experience other than helping people out.

1. I dunno...I've never played this particular game before, but I like playing scum, so I'd say Ice.
2. Um...see sig...it's mostly updated. =P

So what's your experience

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a hydra? How familiar are you with the site in general?

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lol. Yeah. Hold on...

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singersinger he wasnt requesting a modkill, so why so nervous.

vote singer

I dont see how singer being nervous got to do with him being a scum.

VOTE: andrew94

read wizrak's other games, he posts absolute fluff in them, now he just flings dust at me

singer and wizrak are scumz together calling it now

This is what they call OMGUS. Just saying...

andrew is town. Calling it now.

you see this?

Were you really trying to "prove" your towniness by this?

Wizrak's answer wasn't much better.

I give u the permission to start off the RVS now.

VOTE: parknourie

Your avatar shows guns; there are no vigs in this game, hence you are mafia.

Your avatar shows Kim Possible.
Hence you are Cop? Spy? Neither are in this game. Hence you are in the wrong game.

But you didn't place and RVS vote to keep face with the joke...

Toast TOTALLY didn’t get the lynched bread joke…
Also, sorry, my other game just ended, so I’m definitely paying attention to this one now. <3

Klazam, why is vatesi irritating you?

This post by Magnetic seems a little awkward…like the questions need a connection? And you’re the only person so far who’s mad the jump to connecting the different mafias…

Klazam hops on to bad reasoning=opportunistic.

Oh. This pretty much sums up my thoughts. Lol.

Next post…vatesi, if you haven’t completed a game, how would you know which you’d prefer to play?

Doing scummy things for sake of getting reactions is still scummy.

Aaah actually pointed out exactly what I was thinking.

There’s this Empking/Klazam exchange…

I’m inclined to think Empking is town, and Klazam is inexperienced. He’s also scum.
VOTE: Klazam

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[ u r l = ] "title" [ / u r l ]

After the equal sign you put the link you want to link us to.

I hope that's explained coherently...

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Oh, or you can quote me and copy/paste what I did and replace it with the correct url link...if that makes more sense, lol.

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lol.

AWESOME.

I knew I like you for a reason.

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BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT REASON FOR THE QUESTIONS: was to see who was willing to answer them. People who avoid questions are often trying to hide something, and this game is no exception. As a townie, I need to figure out exactly whose hiding, whose lurking, and who needs to get lynched.

HOS: Toast

- This is weak nonsense.

Vote: Magnetic

- Is it physically possible for him to be town?

Actually, Toast's reasoning here is really pro-town. They weren't the best questions, no (seriously Toastyboy, Andrius failed with the RQS deal), BUT his reasoning totally makes sense.

I've read the whole Magnetic deal...yeah, I can actually hop on board with that. I have a hard time believing Klazam would be that obvious with the chainsaw defense...but HOW COOL WOULD IT BE IF IT WAS.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Magnetic
L-2

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Empking.
<3
I've missed you.

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I really don't like how the magnetic wagon gained so much speed, espically considering the fact that he only made three posts.

Are you condoning lack of participation?

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Oh crap. It was still night when I went out of town so I forgot to post it in this game. But I'll be back to catch up tomorrow night. Sorry.

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Back. Catching up. <3

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1. I don’t like wasamasa’s name being shortened to “Was” because I keep reading it wrong and thinking people suck at grammar.

2. I don’t like the exchange between Empking and aaah400. It has a completely different feel than Emp’s line of questioning yesterday. I feel as though aaah’s reason for voting Wasa over vatesi completely legitimate considering not contributing to the game is more grounds for pressure than crappy logic. Why not pressure both? Why one over the other?

3. Toaster’s NK speculation is odd. It sounds like justification of the kill, as opposed to trying to create links to whomever might’ve been the most suspect to it.

4. Empking, how did you get a town read from Wasa’s hammer?

5. I agree with Andrew. Everything. Empking never came outright and said he was suspicious of aah. You put that word in his mouth and he just rolled with the punches. Connection.

6. aah: why is any time too soon to put someone at L-1? The trick is knowing how to do it. Vatesi didn’t make it known that he was at L-1 (don’t get me wrong, I don’t think you have to proclaim it all the time), and he didn’t justify it applying pressure. L-1 is too early for bandwagons, but there’s information to be had from them.

7. Park is now speculating on the NK and entirely calling Wasamasa town while saying he’d love to lynch him at the same time (true, PLs are not the same…). This is bad. Speculating on why he’s still alive and targeting the person who fits that speculation is bad. This plus empty threats and defensiveness is putting you at the top of my scum list.

Ok, so we do have two scum teams now. It’s interesting to see relationships between people and the connections they draw. They’re both legitimately trying to find the other, which means their scum-hunting is going to look a lot more genuine than in a normal one-scum-team game. If I had to take a guess right now, I’d say that Empking and Toast were one team, and Park and…buh…I dunno. My thoughts are inconclusive as of now, but I’d like feedback as to what people think. It’s really not the time to push a lynch based off of one crappy-mediocre reason, wouldn’t you think?

Also, vatesi hasn't posted yet today, so he clearly just needs to.

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Back. Catching up. <3

singer, are you going to post? I have nothing to respond to, but this game needs to keep movin

Yes.

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So everything I have done has something to do with being "bad" but how does that equal scummy? So are you saying that we should ignore Wasamasas' (obvious) survival and the quick jump on him by aaah?

Well no, not everything. You and Empking were my two strong town reads as of the end of yesterday, but since then I've seen behavior from both of you that doesn't comply with those reads. And no, I'm not saying that it should be ignored, but there are far more significant reactions to look at. I think I've covered most of them in my post.

@singersinger: My only question is why you didn't really talk about the wasamasa (just for you) and vatesi situation. I don't think they can both be bad mistakes, and am fairly confident that at least one of them is scum.

I did comment on how I didn't think it was bad to put someone at L-1. And I guess I said this in my head but missed actually writing it out: I checked what wizrak said, and Wasamasas DID hammer within the first minute of vatesi's L-1. I think it's obvious someone doesn't know how to use the preview button, because it doesn't look like it was on purpose by any means. I think he's inexperienced with the way that this site works (as was made known by how he didn't know how long games can last, etc). I don't think that should be excused, but I also don't think it's lynch-worthy.

But man...Park's latest post... As Plum would say: I just.

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im asking u how u get a town read for wasamasas.? u never answered i dont think

He did answer. Said "recklessness."

Just now. After I asked him about it.

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It's late (early?)...but I'm acknowledging lew's catch-up posts and appreciating more effort done by him than nearly anyone else in this game. Response coming after sleep.

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UGH.

I wish I meta-ed people before I join games with them. I'm only recently discovering that aaah is like, a shitastic player. It's fucking retarded that good town has to be thwarted by crappy towns' play.

That being said, I don't think aaah's scum. I think he's a mislynch waiting to happen. I think he either trolls or doesn't know English very well or something. But I doubt he's scum, or he would've been bussed by any other competent scum so hard on day one, I'll tell you that.

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im asking u how u get a town read for wasamasas.? u never answered i dont think

He did answer. Said "recklessness."

Just now. After I asked him about it.

Or in other words: Before aah accused me of not answering it.
Singer: Do you think my answering questions after (rather than before) being asked them is scummy?

I never answered this. >_>

That seems to be an oddly specific thing to ask. In general, no. But not giving reasons means withholding information means thwarting discussion means anti-town.

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singer 127: what made you think tha klazam was not unexperienced town (VI) but rather unexperienced scum? And how is it coherent with your switch in your 135? You thought he was unexp scum BUT then you say you have a hard time believeing it?

My reasoning for thinking klazam was scum was his bad vote that just looked opportunistic.

My switch in 135 was coming from having caught up on the page before it and seeing Klazam's exchange with Magnetic, etc.

His being inexperienced was mutually exclusive from him being scummy. I very specifically did not combine the two. Why did you?

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singer 127: what made you think tha klazam was not unexperienced town (VI) but rather unexperienced scum? And how is it coherent with your switch in your 135? You thought he was unexp scum BUT then you say you have a hard time believeing it?

My reasoning for thinking klazam was scum was his bad vote that just looked opportunistic.

My switch in 135 was coming from having caught up on the page before it and seeing Klazam's exchange with Magnetic, etc.

His being inexperienced was mutually exclusive from him being scummy. I very specifically did not combine the two. Why did you?

In other words, you changed your mind about the way we should interpret klazam's lack of experience.

What? His lack of experience had nothing to do with my read on him. Why have you now thrown those two mutually exclusive points together for the second time now?

I’m inclined to think Empking is town, and Klazam is inexperienced. He’s also scum.

I've read the whole Magnetic deal...yeah, I can actually hop on board with that. I have a hard time believing Klazam would be that obvious with the chainsaw defense

These are the two posts in which you seem to take opposite positions about the meaning of Klazam's lack of experience. Reading your ISO, I just found it hard not to notice.

I'm honestly not quite sure what you're getting at in bringing this up...

Remember that we may not have an ML to waste. Everyone should try to play this as they would play a lylo.

And yet you're already voting.

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Well here is a game where he's town. And then there's a group banning together in the blacklist thread ready to smite him in all his fucktardiglory.

Honestly, if he's not lynched D1, and he will never be NK unless a SK takes pity on town or a vig realizes there are more important things than hitting scum. I seriously regret not knowing this sooner.

I think he's only worthy of a lynch today if we get to deadline and haven't found a better prospect. I know I suspected a couple of people, but I have to reread because while I know Empking was one of them, he wasn't the highest on my list either. I'ma sleep, then figure out where my vote goes.

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Lewarcher, I'm gone all day today, but when I get back sometime around midnight MST, I'll compare his ISOs from the two games and see if I can see the difference you pointed out.

This stall IS really weird. I know I haven't been the most active poster, but geez...

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Lewarcher, I'm gone all day today, but when I get back sometime around midnight MST, I'll compare his ISOs from the two games and see if I can see the difference you pointed out.

This stall IS really weird. I know I haven't been the most active poster, but geez...

Please answer my question here as well. You may have missed it.

oh bugger. I saw it but forgot to respond for some reason. Bookmarking to remind me to do this when I get home.

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Oh boo.

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Confid, you were fine. Cheaters ruined the game for me, IMO. Probably would've preferred it to have been started over, but that kind of situation's tricky. Especially when there's so much WIFOM with why they cheated and how, etc.

Just, stupid.

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I don't know what LLD is, nor do I care. I haven't updated my record since December, so...