Open 285 - Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over

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That makes 9. Can we, like, RVS now?

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What will Random Votes Get you Toasty?

Ah, I guess it has started then. It just gets the game going (i'm really bored right now). Makes me laugh when people are like...ZOMG your name deserves a vote!

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I give u the permission to start off the RVS now.

I suppose I will, but not because you gave me permission, sire.

Vote: wizrak

because your avatar is kind of creepy...what is she even eating?

Hi Toastasterone! <3

You sure put a lot of time into my names

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Hey mod,

Give Toasty a warning and replace him if he does another personal attack

Um, that wasn't personal at all? Personal means attacking the person--like an ad hominem argument. so confused...

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Disable BBCode?

Park really is scum guys. Classic buddying up to the town's genius.

I found this strange as well.

Also, just a few questions for everyone:
1) What's the most fun? Fire, Ice, or...Town?
2) What's your game experience?
Feel free to add any other questions you think are helpful.

1) Ice
2) This is my first non-hydra game, so little experience other than helping people out.

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PLEASE BE BOLD

Congratz!

1) town
2) your first NON hydra??? does that mean u hydra'ed all the way earlier?

I've helped out/followed on a few of Andrius' game, but I have not been playing this game officially ever.

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Apparently my last vote didn't count so...

Vote: wasamasas

because no one else did

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Well, all this talk about small penis is super, but I don't think its really helping much

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@parknourie

You chose to believe escho was referring to you, when in fact he was referring to the picture. wasamasas just pointed out this fact.

Your behavior is extremely paranoid, i.e. scumlike. Get lynched, thanks.

@toast

Toast is... lynched bread.

Exactly why am I lynched bread? My posts have consisted of asking questions and trying to keep the game on track.

Vatesi, your thought process comes off as scummy. Your votes have either had no significance or just distractions. For example..

Who is this "guy" and I sure hope it doesnt address me.

Park did not immediately assume the picture was meant for him. The photo itself was incredibly random and pointless, and yet you come up with a conclusion out of it. Park certainly isn't off my scum list, but you seem to be much more of a problem at this point.

i see vatesi is keen to lynch everyone, but i agree, this feels like its going to take too long

Vote: parknourie

btw just wondering, how long does a usually game last?

I'm keeping my vote on wasa for now due to his insistence that we lynch quickly and how he tried to agreed with vatesi's vote even when he criticized his approach to the game. Seems like he's trying to remain distant from a suspect whilst still agreeing with him.

My list thus far:
TOWN
andrew94--questions and answers are actually moving the game forward. He completely ignored vatesi's distraction.
aaah400--I don't like using my gut instinct, but it is strong with this one.
escho--his gameplay in this game is very similar to what I've seen of him elsewhere.

NEUTRAL
singersinger--ur awesome but have said like nothing...soooo yeahh
Magnetic--no significant posts
Empking--I know this is a bit hypocritical but I don't trust people who gut read
Klazam--he hasn't even confirmed yet

SCUM
parknourie--my view on his is changing slowly, but I expect him to make more of an effort in defending himself from those who are voting against him (least)
wasamas--see my info above (middle)
vatesi--see info above (most)

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Oh, and deadline is March 12 @ 8

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more people need to post

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Also, just a few questions for everyone:
1) What's the most fun? Fire, Ice, or...Town?
2) What's your game experience?
Feel free to add any other questions you think are helpful.

1) Ice
2) This is my first non-hydra game, so little experience other than helping people out.

Well heres my opinion in this stupid questionnaire..

1:

How is ice and fire different based on the level of "fun", they do the same shit, the difference is the name... wtf?, shouldn't they be categorized the same. Any guy would know this..

2:

2 is sooooo wtf?... the questions 1 and 2 have no link whatsoever...

So IN CONCLUSION... i believe this guy is ice mafia, sniffing out the fire mafia team, probably looking at the people who said FIRE.... its like hidden messaging between both mafia teams. The purpose of the 2nd question was just to side track you from the main point, so you'd think it's just any other questionnaire, BUT HAS NO SIGNIFICANT RELEVANCE to the game.

"Feel free to add any other questions you think are helpful."

, just to reiterate how his questionnaire is

NOT

helpful at ALL... unless your mafia.

VOTE: TOASTY

I posted questions because the game was moving waayyy too slow in my opinion. It still is, but thanks for finally saying something Magnetic!
#1 was to see what everyone wanted to be coming into the game. This does not institute a secret message, as I'm inclined to believed that someone would not actually give their side away.
#2 was just a common question I've seen in most games. Gives me a chance to learn something about the people I'm playing with.

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT REASON FOR THE QUESTIONS: was to see who was willing to answer them. People who avoid questions are often trying to hide something, and this game is no exception. As a townie, I need to figure out exactly whose hiding, whose lurking, and who needs to get lynched.

Oh and Klazam, why are you being so wishy-washy? Try doing your own research before you just agree with a vote. Hopping on the park bandwagon, considering vatesi irritating after my suspicions, than changing to agree with magnetic all in just a few posts is very scummy.

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Toast is... lynched bread.

^ that was just a joke lol. Like after you lynch a bread... you make toast.

I feel sad for not recognizing the joke in that.
Now I need to go look up lynched bread and see what I find

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klazam is wttf = =


magnetic, why is toasty specifically ice looking for fire, but not fire looking for ice/ huh? unless you know hes not fire... which means,..

toasty, why did u softclaim townie. that just owns away the town read i had on you for your 'list'

Magnetic specifically claimed that I was ice looking for fire, so I softclaimed to point out the difference between my question of "what's the most fun" and "what are you." Magnetic seems to think the two are synonymous, but he can't really use it as proof for what I actually am. Similarly, if I said I found town to be the most fun, it would not mean that I actually am town.

I think he said I was ice because I said that was what I considered to be the most fun (the idea of fire-ice mafia appeals to me because of the names. Deep-freezing people sounds like more fun than burning them).

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klazam is wttf = =


magnetic, why is toasty specifically ice looking for fire, but not fire looking for ice/ huh? unless you know hes not fire... which means,..

toasty, why did u softclaim townie. that just owns away the town read i had on you for your 'list'

Everyone just dont listen to andrew... he's just... uhh... a struggle to reply to.

Woahh magnetic. This just made the siren's go off

Unvote:Vote: Magnetic

just ignoring a question to avoid giving a bad one, it seems

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Magnetic also never answered my "unhelpful" questions, which I have explained to see who is willing to openly share information.

Who else has noticed the vote hop from Klazam?

Vote:Klazam

Yeah I think a few people have--I'm just trying to figure out who I have the most evidence against.

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Emp- if you believe so, why are you not explaining your reasoning?!

Chainsawing- how? I am not seeing magnetic as scum right now. Mag is null. You are the person who has the vote with no real reasoning behind it. This I find odd.

And honestly, you all believe that scum would be that obvious to "out" themselves?

Preview edit: hmm. I didnt see that as expressing a read. I saw that as making a post saying something without any justification behind it. That's why I see it as fluff.

And... You're very quick to defend yourself. Jumpy much?

Magnetic has been known to out himself in the past. I'm also skeptical about is sudden post quickly after I called him out for saying nothing

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT REASON FOR THE QUESTIONS: was to see who was willing to answer them. People who avoid questions are often trying to hide something, and this game is no exception. As a townie, I need to figure out exactly whose hiding, whose lurking, and who needs to get lynched.

HOS: Toast

- This is weak nonsense.

Vote: Magnetic

- Is it physically possible for him to be town?

Empking is still a null read for me. Is it not true that people will avoid questions to hide something? I don't see how that is weak. I gave other reasons for the questions as well, but this specifically was what I was looking for.

Magnetic certainly can be town who just made a bad move, I just don't believe that.

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The more logical reason to asvoid those questions is because they're stupid questions and the grown ups were too busy scumhunting to answer really stupid questions.

Okay, then think of better one's so they'd work better. I never said they were the only possible things to ask and I said that everyone should think of other questions. Besides, they did result in a magnetic scum-read.

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is anyone else going to talk sometime soon? I've said what I wanted to about magnetic and empking's suspicions on me.

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Yayy someone with a post of decent length!! Homework distraction!

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Toast TOTALLY didn’t get the lynched bread joke…
Also, sorry, my other game just ended, so I’m definitely paying attention to this one now. <3

I still don't get it D:

url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2808173]This post[/url] by Magnetic seems a little awkward…like the questions need a connection? And you’re the only person so far who’s mad the jump to connecting the different mafias…

Klazam hops on to bad reasoning=opportunistic.

There’s this Empking/Klazam exchange…

I’m inclined to think Empking is town, and Klazam is inexperienced. He’s also scum.
VOTE: Klazam

OKAY so I definately agree with the Klazam town read, but I think what he's done thus far can be contributed to more inexperience. The giant Empking/Klazam exchange shows that he is becoming more wary of the wishy-washy votes which can mean he:
1) has put more effort into scum-hunting after the accusations
2) is scum and only decided to focus on Empking after being called out for his constant change of votes

In other words, I don't have enough evidence to change my vote from magnetic to klazam. His lack of an answer to andrew's question is just really scummy (I would link the post but haven't figured out how to do that yet). If you missed it, andrew basically asked why he thought I was ice and the response was like "oh u r too difficult to respond to."

can someone tell me how to link posts?

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Thanks

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Feels town-motivated to me. Questions were kinda pointless, but I read a protown motive with it.

I'm sure I'll think of better questions next game--I do agree that the magnetic scum-read from them was lucky, but it still worked.

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Magnetic has been known to out himself in the past. I'm also skeptical about is sudden post quickly after I called him out for saying nothing

IS this true? If so, could you point me to a game where this has happened before?

Read D1 of andrew94's c9++

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OKAY so I definately agree with the Klazam town read,

I want you to clarify- Do you see me as town or scum? Because if you see me as town, then you are not agreeing with Singer. Singer thinks i am scum.

Let me put it this way: I consider you to be scummy-town. In other words, I think your plays can be contributed to inexperience. Magnetic is still my prime suspect. You on my scum-list, but not very high up on it.

Actually, Toast's reasoning here is really pro-town. They weren't the best questions, no (seriously Toastyboy, Andrius failed with the RQS deal), BUT his reasoning totally makes sense.

Andrius is now a sad panda

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I need to get all my thoughts together for this but I will try to say something now. The quick lynch draws me immediately back to my two original scum suspects, vatesi and wasa. I think, quite frankly, magnetic's post was distracting. I was going to unvote him as soon as he got to L-1, but that did not go as planned.
For the NK, i'm surprised about Klazam being killed. He was a very wishy-washy suspect. However, his attack on Empking showed at least some change in gameplan. The scum teams were likely worried about an attack from him, given his sudden assault.

I'm guessing Magnetic's theory is that the mafia teams would want to communicate to avoid targeting the same person, why else would they need to communicate? That's stupid as hell given how unlikely it is for both teams to target the same person, as well as how risky the plan is since everyone can read the posts.

VOTE: magnetic

call it bandwagoning i don't care, this is also the conclusion i've come to.

Vatesi made virtually no imapact on D1. Here he tries to play of his vote as "i'm going to bandwagon because I can." This is anti-town because, based on the earlier part of the quote, vatesi did not read much of the conversations after the Magnetic post. I ISO'd Magnetic and saw that he only gave 3 posts. The final two gave plenty of reason to suspect him, but was he really the scummiest? Yes, I led the vote on him, but the bandwagoning here puts vatesi right back on my scumlist.

im newb

unvote vote:Magnetic

This vote was the one that really pissed me off. You're a newb? So am I, I haven't even completed the game. Being a newb is no excuse for making an uneducated decision. When someone is one vote away, we should at least give them a chance to explain themselves, claim, and tell us their "final words," so to speak. By wasa referring to himself as a newb, he makes it seem like he knows he's making a mistake. I don't like this at all. "Im newb," and therefore you can't blame me for a poor vote.

1. Are Vatesi and Was equally scummy?
2. If so why wouldn't you join me on Vatesi?
If not then how do you explain "Out of 100. i would put both on them on 75% mark?".

Don't know if these were intended for everyone, but I'm going to answer them anyways.

1. I have a stronger scumread on Was right now, but THEY ABSOLUTELY MUST POST before I can decide for good.
2. I think I've learned from D1 and have decided that I will not vote until a considerable argument has been made against him.

Empking, could you explain your suspicion on aaah400? I have liked his game thus far and he's on my town list. This could change if you point to anything ore specific. I don't think aaah's reasons for choosing wasa is a bad one, by any means.

I'm not voting vatesi for voting Magnetic, I'm voting him for being overdefensive about it. Was doesn't have that problem.

Your turn.

Was is defending himself by calling him a newb. Makes him seem bad at the game rather than scum.

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Do you still suspect Wasa? I thought having FOS on aah but not him to be a little strange.

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wasamasas is clearly a troll in all his games
toastytoast is just scum for attempting to say wasa is scum.

vatesi is actually palying the game, so the point stands.
aaah should know better about wasa

Need some clarification--can u give me a wasa game? If this is his playing style I might reconsider. Trolls will be trolls, but they can still be scum. I don't have the time or energy to do background checks on everyone I play against. Sorry if that makes me scummy.

What point stands if vatesi is playing the game? And he's playing it, just not very helpful

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because someone else said im nub
nub.

so it was a taunt?

if i havent done so already then unvote vote: vatesi

Yeah I apologize I'll be back in full force after Marathon is over

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Back. Catching up. <3

singer, are you going to post? I have nothing to respond to, but this game needs to keep movin

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@singersinger: My only question is why you didn't really talk about the wasamasa (just for you) and vatesi situation. I don't think they can both be bad mistakes, and am fairly confident that at least one of them is scum.

@parknourie: your conclusion seems a little far-fetched, and a little OMGUS; how is it setting a trap? Calling someone town but wanting to lynch them is certainly a valid point.

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Ok, so we do have two scum teams now. It’s interesting to see relationships between people and the connections they draw. They’re both legitimately trying to find the other, which means their scum-hunting is going to look a lot more genuine than in a normal one-scum-team game. If I had to take a guess right now, I’d say that Empking and Toast were one team, and Park and…buh…I dunno. My thoughts are inconclusive as of now, but I’d like feedback as to what people think. It’s really not the time to push a lynch based off of one crappy-mediocre reason, wouldn’t you think?
Also, vatesi hasn't posted yet today, so he clearly just needs to.

Why are Empking and myself a scumteam, and not, say, me and Parknourie?

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im asking u how u get a town read for wasamasas.? u never answered i dont think

He did answer. Said "recklessness."

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I am so suspicious of the Wasamasa and Vatesi, cos they seem to act as a combo as in voting and hammering Magnifiacate within 1 minute as if it was carefully planed (go look at the time of post srsly...)

what's even more suspicious is how their presence has pretty much disappeared from this game. the two of them both seem to be waiting for someone else to slip up and divert the suspicions on more active players

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Well glad to see the replacement is active. I'm kind of busy right now, so I will respond to the points on me and a few others, labelled, as you did, by post number.

78: Yep, total overreaction. I didn't understand the joke AT ALL, so I saw it as an attack with no backup. Also, when I said "votes" I meant "posts." And I am a newb, but I still did not find a single post of his to be productive. The same with wasamasas. Although I am a newb at this game, I much prefer to be treated at an equal playing field. Noob does not equal stupid.

87: I thought I already explained my reasons for the questions. I wanted to see who would answer, and who would be the people unwilling to hand over information. "who would lie about their own meta?" Plenty would, not actually rhetorical.

90: I understand andrew's question of me. It seemed contradictory to my scum list, which did not mention me at all.

117: statement of fact, of course he'd survive if someone else got lynched.

Other questions: You have very few points on singer (though they are there), and yet she is high on your scumlist.
Also, why include yourself? Do you honestly think vatesi's actions are the least scummy?
And the problem with wasa is that there is NO read on him. If he's not scum, he's anti-town. Unfortunately, if we lynch a townie today, and scum kill two more tonight....well, that wouldn't be to great, would it?

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I know this isn't for me, but I want to answer 1.
1) Is my aah town-read gut? yes. But it all stems from the fact that I have seen countless games where aaah becomes an easy target. He plays scummy ALL the time, and a lot of the times he is scum. However, the way he's playing here seems different, suggesting either that he's trying to act more town or he actually is town. You do bring up a good point about how he's been pretty much accusing everyone. But its for the same reason that I'm not voting right now. My town list has basically disappeared D2, with everyone either null or scum.

Unfortunately,lewarcher, your predecessors few notes have all come off as scummy. This stands even if he's completely new at the game. I will say this: I think there is at least one scum on your wagon right now. All three of the people voting for you? My other scumspects.

Wasa lynch is a no go. This day is definately turning into a Archer or Aaah lynch. Wasa = policy lynch, which we can't afford right now.

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Wiz, aaah: u both engaged in wagoning. Park didn't, and is voting with reasons. Now all four of my suspects (excluding lewarcher) are on the lewarcher vote.

Sorry, but I'm not about to agree with them.

Vote: aaah400

U've betrayed my scum read with posts that make little sense, your OMGUS vote just now (at least that's what it seems like with your explanation), and contributing NOTHING. I could give more reasons for this vote, but I think enough people have explained it. Oh, and I no longer know have a gut read on you, which means I vote for the best argument.

P.S. Learn to unvote.

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@Toasty
If u see my post that has been posted 4 minutes ago before ur last post, CANT U SEE THE POST NUBMERS FOR GUIDENCE?

Your vote is based on desperation that isn't there. He's no longer Vatesi, who wouldn't have said anything. Besides, with that many people on him, he has a right to defend himself.

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lolage. and now your teaming up with him now? that = mafia buddies

Nope. I have just as much suspicions of him as I do on you, but the fact that every player I think is scum is on the lew lynch REALLY scares me. I trust him more than you. Its a difference between I KNOW and I THINK.

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aaah's quick jump on Wasa is very predictable and his FoS on Vatesi is usual for what any scum would do.
I think Both scum teams have let Wasa live so that they could lynch him easily on this day.
That is what aaah is exactly doing right now.

- By Park

Isn't it obvious that Wasa and Vatesi be the ones that are most suspicious from their combie of hammering Magnificate, I dont really see why doing an obvious thing is "scummy". Also, Wasa and Vatesi could have not been killed in the night due to the fact that they are "scums" and thus bullet proof and can kill others i.e Klazam.
Therefore, I think ur either overcomplicating the the "obvious" steps that needs to be taken, Park.

Hence, I will keep my vote on lewwarcher82

FOS Parknourie

OR scum thought we would lynch them because they seemed scummy. 1 scum team does not know the other. This does not clear Wasa and Vatesi at all, but if we were to operate on the possibility that Vatesi did not know that someone would hammer soon after him, he could still be town. The scum teams would want to lynch other scum in the morning, kill town at night. This means aaah's quick jump to wasa suggests he's scum scumhunting.

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Lewarcher, I'm gone all day today, but when I get back sometime around midnight MST, I'll compare his ISOs from the two games and see if I can see the difference you pointed out.

This stall IS really weird. I know I haven't been the most active poster, but geez...

Please answer my question here as well. You may have missed it.

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Well, I still suspected him. Just would've preferred for it to be the other way around. If lew flips town 2morrow, I suggest we look at the reasons for everyone's vote. May be able to find something

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OMG it finally started. Thanks to the replacements

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I have a gut feeling andrew is town.
Can wasamasa explain his fluff posting and scummy hammer on Magnetic, along with his lurking?
Also, should we lynch park, or wait for a replacement?
More later.

Park is high up on my town list, so I'd prefer not to lynch him.

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Well, for one, I think we already have our second scum in aaah400. He had the same opinion as myself, for that matter.

I don't think aaah and Lew are partners. So I guess we sort of got one fire and one ice consequtively on this one.
If I end up dead (or anyone except aaah), plz dont bother to do any night-analysis, but just lynch aaah.

Park has remained remarkably consistent against aaah the whole game. He wanted to lynch aaah D2, but acknowledged lewarchers scum-tendencies and suggested an aaah lynch today. My only unfavorable remark regarding parknourie is this whole "If I end up dead" thing. Aaah and wizrak were banned for communicating and revealing outside games. Park was banned via association, but still fought against them. I want to hear from DGB before doing anything, however. Is there anything in Park's posts that lead you to think that he's scum?

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I just realized that with lewarcher and singer gone, this whole game consists of lurkers. We really need to hear more than a few words from everyone.

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What does it mean that there was only one dead?

Well 1) one of the scum teams could have targeted the other scum team. They cannot NK each other. or 2) Successful Doc block. If 1 is the case, then I wouldn't be surprised if the scum team went after their target for a lynch today. I'm not positive and so PMing mod about it, but I was under the impression that only one scum team can win.

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vote csl

discuss

We have a case on aaah/DGB from yesterday. He/she didn't get lynched because lewarcher/vatesi were simply scummier and an easier target because they were more active scum. I wouldn't be surprised if CSL/wizrak were scum, but I'm not about to vote someone if there is no case against them. Thats why all the posts today have been completely worthless.

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What does it mean that there was only one dead?

Well 1) one of the scum teams could have targeted the other scum team.

Doesn't that mean NO death at all?
Was a NK not sent? Normally I'd suspect a doc-protect, but this game seems lurker-dense.

We had one kill. Fire could have targeted Ice, then Ice singersigner (or the other way around). That would explain the one kill. The only reason a NK wouldn't be sent is to throw us off like this.

...easier target because they were more active scum.

I'm very active. Annoyingly active. You shall soon have enough material to make a decision.

Good, I like having someone to talk to . Unfortunately, I may have to lynch you today.

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woah this just exploded with new players. Nice to see activity though.

@DGB: I'm confused about all the numbers in your list. Could you explain that?

@HH: If both mafia teams target each other, there will also be nokill

I will wait for LLD's case before I post anything. DGB's post has thrown me off and now I need to rethink my reads. Still think andrew is scum. aaah and wizrak cheat-team is also a possibility.

Newb card by wasamasas let flashing lights go off on my head, and with lewarcher/vatesi as scum, i can see wasa as the other fire.

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all of your predecessors put you in shitty spots. All these replacements are getting confusing :/.

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Toasty, read my case.

I read it. I can see a DGB/CSL scumteam. Makes sense for quite a few reasons. 1)aaah/wizrak are already cheating buddies. 2) Andrew94 had information revealed to him by one of the banned members. Parknourie's ban was based on association with said cheaters. My

speculation

is that andrew is remaining fire, who was given information of the aaah/wizrak ice scum team.

None of that is based on fact, but I'm analyzing some recent stuff right now regarding wizrak/CSL

DGB has successfully steered away from my suspicion...

unHOS

Vote: wasamasas

Mainly for fluff, the scummy hammer Day 1, and the newb card.

You are very quick to write off DGB. DGB has tried to distance himself from aaah's gameplay, but it doesn't change the fact that aaah was hella scummy D2. Also, wasamasas has posted fluff, which we talked about D2. The newb card was *facepalm,* but he's certainly has less evidence against him than both aaah and wizrak.

There are 4 town left. If I am right in saying that the information leak to andrew was scum helping scum in a "revenge" effort (note that andrew94 knows the banned players to some extent), then that makes the remaining three scum CSL, DGB, and andrew94.

I will work on building cases, but right now I'm tired and don't want to do anything in depth.

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@HH: that's why I bolded speculation. Just wanted to get my thoughts on the cheating ban so I don't have to go back to it again.

@CSL: I'll keep this in mind, but its going to require more than just suspicion from someone I consider scum to convince me that the last fire mafia is wasamasas. I'll explore your case on him though and re-read. Only fair given I did the same for LLD's.

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I've weighed out the pro's and cons, and I think lynching Fire scum today will be more beneficial to town. Yes, it does take away the possibility of a double-targeting save, but the fact that there are only four townies left means we need to destroy the chance that two NK's will take place. With this, I am ready to vote for HackerHuck, unless someone explains to me why voting for Icescum is a better idea.

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That was a pretty fast vote-hop, CSL. suspicious.

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That was a pretty fast vote-hop, CSL. suspicious.

You expect less? He's obvscum. I told you this. He's just not fire scum. He's Ice scum.

Just reaction fishing. Looks like no one is going to attempt to argue that lynching Ice is better, so I'm putting my vote down.

Vote: HackerHuck

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its gut, if lew is not scum u guys can lynch me up yos

One of the many things andrew said that bugged me. lew lynch was pretty much going to happen at this point, and andrew suddenly hops on even though he gave no indication that vatesi was a strong scum read beforehand.

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HAcker, you could have at least tried harder and claimed. Not claiming did NOTHING for town. I could go through andrew's posts and make a link with fire scum quite easily. We know she's ice. That's why she dies tomorrow.

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Dam, well played LLD. I protected you multiple times. Still, I think I played well as doc to be the last one lynched. Should've protected Empking, but the single kill on N2 when I was protecting park/LLD convinced me. Kise, too quick its unfortunate I didn't have a chance to say anything.

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Wait, did both fire and ice kill Empking? shouldn't it have been cancelled out?

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ConfidAnon, you handed the situation well. I was incredibly frustrated with the replacement period, but you put a lot of effort into it. I don't think they were cheating. My problem with this game was the large amount of lurkers/trolls. I felt like I was talking to myself. In fact, when I look back, town activity ended after the Empking-Klazam D1 argument. Then, it was me, a bunch of lurker-town, and scum. Andrew was not obv-town, he was in the middle of my list the whole time, and it would've been avoided if he had been more active. HackerHuck put an effort into saving himself, but the lack of a claim and the fact that he could've been cheating led me to vote.

@LLD: MVP for me. I was right about 3/4 scum. The one messup was andrew and you. Should've gone with CSL, I felt they were the biggest threat but Ice.

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Question: did you guys think I was doctor before the lynch?

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Fire QT pl0x

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Andy wanted to see it. I'd rather see Ice, TBH

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@lewarcher: we don't know if they were cheating in this game.

@Andy: Yeah, I'm gonna drop it. Of course you were I was doctor