Open 264: Attack of the RNG (C9++) [Simulation Ended]

[jasonT1981]

vote: Andrew

Just because I love him <3

[jasonT1981]

my bro died . .. = =


ok jason is scum becos hes the only person that knows that i play shit, apart from smashbro

vote jason

Ahhh Andrew, you know I always vote you in RVS

[jasonT1981]

Wouldnt mafia want to kill who they feel are the strongest players in N0 though?

[jasonT1981]

Unvote, Vote andrew94

because if you're going to be useless all game I don't want you here.

Wouldnt mafia want to kill who they feel are the strongest players in N0 though?

How would speculating on mafia kill motives glean us any information?

it wont.. I was simply making a point to counter Andrews

[jasonT1981]

I have played Andrew quite a bit lately.... he plays like this every game. Its annoying, but not a scum tell. Mostly he is town who gets himself lynched for stuff like this.

unvote
vote:hohum

dont like his vote reasons on Andrew... not because he thinks he is scum, but because he is VI and going to be useless. With scum getting a N0 start I dont think its a good idea to lynch based on being 'useless'

[jasonT1981]

Yes but it also gives scum a nearly free pass, and given they already got a N0 start are we sure we want to go down that road?

[jasonT1981]

Emergancy V/LA... might be going into hospital, waiting to go for docs appointment.. spent last night vomiting blood and severe stomuch pains

[jasonT1981]

@jason: What's up with post 24? Did you not read carefully or what? I'm referring to you calling andrew a 'strong' player.

slowly getting back on my feet.. got diagnosed with food poisioning and a burst blood vessel. Not as serious as I thought but still groggy on it.

I think you misread my no24.. I was NOT saying Andrew is a strong player.. Andrews arguement for me being scum is he is still alive and I can get a mislynch on him. I am saying that scum would want to take out who they feel are the strongest players in a N0 start as a counter to Andrews arguement and Andrews reasons for thinking I am scum is ludicrious

[jasonT1981]

believe me, it can be page 3 or 33 and he wont change and does the same all the way through

[jasonT1981]

I have never played with scum Andrew, but from what I see as town he comes up with Crazy plans. he seems to get himself into these situations very easily and has a high day 1 lynch ratio from what I understand and is easy for scum to push a lynch on. Im not saying we discount him as scum, however 99% of the time he gets himself into silly situations and makes them worse for himself.

He makes little to no cases, and most is OMGUS anyone suspecting him is scum, anyone siding with him is town.

[jasonT1981]

Limited Access ATM. UK Has been hit by bad snow storms and the electric is goign off and on.

[jasonT1981]

thats the second time you have accused someone of being 'fake' Andrew.. how do you feel it is fake... why do you never put up reasons to your accusations? you can understand why many see you as scummy or lynchable doing this, cant you?

[jasonT1981]

I don't think Andrew's that dumb to fakeclaim Mason when he knows that someone else has the role and can counter-claim with the ferocity of a thousand tigers. Just my two cents.

he fake claims as town all the time though.. he fake claimed Doc, exposing the real doc once as VT... last game I played with him, he claimed RoleCop when he was watcher.. he was lucky the real RC went along with it. But yea, Andrew Fakeclaims all the time as town.

[jasonT1981]

hold on, DH.. I don't see Andrew claiming Mason really.... are you referring to his 'bro' comment? I never really seen that as a claim

[jasonT1981]

He never claimed. Just in case he was going to claim Mason, I'm glad I stopped the argument. Regardless, it would have been a fakeclaim and since there's no alignment meta associated with his fakeclaiming, it would have just been a huge distraction.

Were you anticipating an Andrew Fake Claim?

[jasonT1981]

Eggy (he's fat) and Andrew are beyond useless.

Actually with you in the picture they've become great players.
UNVOTE: jason
VOTE: Faraday

Eh? your vote on me seemed to be because I knew Andrew... now your vote is even more bizaire....Eggy has made 4 posts.. all non content, Andrew is confusing the hell out of me as ever... how do they suddenly become great players?

Yea, looking back your vote on me was random but you later tried to justify it with the reason I am scum because SB and myself know Andrew

Which means that probably Scott's killer knew about their brotherhood and thought that it would have been best to kill one of the two, so they couldn't privately talk.
Now, who knows andrew that well?
Jason and smashbro. So yeah, I'll keep my jason vote for now.

Hmmm, how would scum know they were masons and could talk though? that is really pushing it a bit I believe

[jasonT1981]

^^ Simpost with faraday about Akira's voting

[jasonT1981]

Which means that probably Scott's killer knew about their brotherhood and thought that it would have been best to kill one of the two, so they couldn't privately talk.
Now, who knows andrew that well?
Jason and smashbro. So yeah, I'll keep my jason vote for now.

Hmmm, how would scum know they were masons and could talk though? that is really pushing it a bit I believe

Actually I believe the theory is you know that andrew and scott are bros because you know him better, and thus killed scott to stop andrew and scott talking out of thread

Actually that's another thing, it seems to indicate knowledge that andrew's town. if akira's scum andrew's almost certainly town.

Well, thats even more bizaire. And great point also on Akira/Andrew

[jasonT1981]

Well hi there everybody!

I started my quick read through and the first thing i noticed was Andrew's "bro" comment. It seems people started catching on about page 3 on that as well. But then... a mason claim? Something tells me that you did see the bro claim DemonHybrid gave and was attempting to squash that before people figured him the clear mason partner. I am not sure what your intentions were.

However, I am confident that you wont die tonight. Kinda reviewing the statistics of there being a doc and it seems likely.

There seems to be a lot of meta playing in this game. I know little about the people in this game so dont expect me to hop on a wagon just because someone says, "But last game he played the same way as scum!"

unvote

rolefishing anyone?

[jasonT1981]

It just seemed a bizaire thing to say right after the 'confident you wont die tonight' like you won't die tonight... there could be a Doc?

[jasonT1981]

fair enough... it was more the placing off what he said that interested me.

[jasonT1981]

I do think Akira has a lot of explaining to do though, his posts and reasonings are very bizaire and far fetched.

[jasonT1981]

hmmm DN your very defencive there.. it is common to ask who someone thinks is scum. Why get so defencive on it?

[jasonT1981]

Yea, disliking playstyle is not a reason to vote someone as scum.. I mean look at Andrew, I hate his playstyle but wont vote him on it alone

[jasonT1981]

Will try and get to post later... hands currently frozen due to heavy snowfall and no heating atm

[jasonT1981]

unvote
vote:Akira

been thinknig about this a while, his initial commentys still bother me and he seems to be more defensive than actually wanting to find scum to be honest.

[jasonT1981]

lol @ Mod introducing WOFOM!! MOD SCUM!!!

[jasonT1981]

demonhybrid, is there another case on akira apart from him soft defending hohum?

Yes, Andrew... I have made mention of him beforehand its a lot more than the soft defence

Eggy (he's fat) and Andrew are beyond useless.

Actually with you in the picture they've become great players.
UNVOTE: jason
VOTE: Faraday

Eh? your vote on me seemed to be because I knew Andrew... now your vote is even more bizaire....Eggy has made 4 posts.. all non content, Andrew is confusing the hell out of me as ever... how do they suddenly become great players?

Yea, looking back your vote on me was random but you later tried to justify it with the reason I am scum because SB and myself know Andrew

Which means that probably Scott's killer knew about their brotherhood and thought that it would have been best to kill one of the two, so they couldn't privately talk.
Now, who knows andrew that well?
Jason and smashbro. So yeah, I'll keep my jason vote for now.

Hmmm, how would scum know they were masons and could talk though? that is really pushing it a bit I believe

and

Which means that probably Scott's killer knew about their brotherhood and thought that it would have been best to kill one of the two, so they couldn't privately talk.
Now, who knows andrew that well?
Jason and smashbro. So yeah, I'll keep my jason vote for now.

Hmmm, how would scum know they were masons and could talk though? that is really pushing it a bit I believe

Actually I believe the theory is you know that andrew and scott are bros because you know him better, and thus killed scott to stop andrew and scott talking out of thread

Actually that's another thing, it seems to indicate knowledge that andrew's town. if akira's scum andrew's almost certainly town.

Well, thats even more bizaire. And great point also on Akira/Andrew

those are just my concerns over him.. read back and you will see a few others have the same issues

[jasonT1981]

why do you not think he is scum? have you past experience with him suggesting he is playing to his town meta? reasons, Andrew.

[jasonT1981]

because hes raging at the 'claimed mason'

Or maybe pissed off scum because the field is now narrowed down slightly as to who could be scum and towns chances of catching scum went up?

[jasonT1981]

Yea, Akira is scum i feel certain.. and when he flips scum Andrews defence without valid reason, hten weak reason is noted

[jasonT1981]

Deadline for D1 is Sunday, December 5th, at 7:04 PM EST.[/color][/area]

Deadline in 2 days BTW

I mentioned at the bottom of later vote counts that the deadline has been extended to Tuesday, December 7th, at 7:04 PM EST, due to all the replacements. Sorry, I'll make this clear in the intro post.

[jasonT1981]

Deadline for D1 is Sunday, December 5th, at 7:04 PM EST.[/color][/area]

Deadline in 2 days BTW

Look at one of the more recent vote counts. We got an extension to Tuesday. It's not much more, but it is still an extra two days.

oh nice catch, i missed that and took the above quoted from page 1, I think it was, or an earlier vote count anyway.

[jasonT1981]

I still think hohum is the better lynch candidate, but if nothing changes soon I would be willing to change my vote for the sake of getting

somebody

lynched.

Hate this comment, vote for the sake of a lynch.. So you are saying basically you will vote just to secure a lynch and not because of merits of a case? this worrys me greatly... votes should be on evedience and behaviour and not on the basis of 'the sake of

somebody

getting lynched.

its the

somebody

part in the above, that worries me the most... its almost without care who gets lynched and will vote for the sake of it for a lynch. Classic Scum behaviour.

[jasonT1981]

Yea, Scummy appeal to emotion is scummy.. theres more to it than your vote as has been pointed out and you are ignoring

[jasonT1981]

Andrew once again proving he only cares about himself and not the town.

I can semi understand what Akira did there, I have done similar in the past. Shame though, would have been better to ask for a claim before hand.. but seems like he genuinely made a mistake

[jasonT1981]

wow what a web of tangled lies.. Andrew.. proper claim please.

And holy wow at the speed of this, I didnt even know game was open till now. I want to hear from Andrew, and give MafiaSSK a chance to post.. but yea.. Andrew explainations please

[jasonT1981]

Why are DN and myself suspicious, Andrew? you do realize all this fake claiming has given you little credibility can you give reasons on myself and DN please?

[jasonT1981]

Why are DN and myself suspicious, Andrew? you do realize all this fake claiming has given you little credibility can you give reasons on myself and DN please?

dude, i fakeclaim for a reason to test akira.
since the mafia know im town / not mafia, they wouldnt block akira (WE DONT EVEN KNOW IF THEY HAVE A BLOCKER, so those that assume is scummy (excluding mason)) . if they dont block akira, how did i not die?
= akira is not vig
= and all the other reasons i posted above

but that doesnt explain your suspicions on me or DN.

[jasonT1981]

deathnote did a super change in mind between 300 and 302 just because ribwich claimed town blocker.

and jason is just by using meta. he should know im town(by meta)

what crap.. im suspecting you as scum because your play is scummy and not in the interests of town.... You play this crap in every game you play as town or scum from what I can tell. Yes, its true I have only played you when you are town... but I think you are playing on this now because I suspect you.

[jasonT1981]

the case is more than that.

[jasonT1981]

Just a quick note, due to an serious family matter I may not be about too much today or tomorrow. Mina has been notified as to the full reasons that I do not wish to get into.

[jasonT1981]

im sorta here. trying to follow but having a hard time. We had to get paramedics out to the house as my mother collapsed with chest pains so my attention is elsewhere tonight. Yes, my name was showing in viewing, I sent Mina the message I was taking time away from game, posted here and left browser open.

So sorry to hear that, jason. *hugs* I hope she's okay.

I saw mentioned about a no lynch.. thats a bad idea. there is 7 left yea? we no lynch, and scum gets sucessful kill in night then that makes it scum win I would believe if there is a 3 person scum team as it would be 3 scum.. 2 town and a SK after the night meanign scum would have a majority.

I should be posting more tomorrow. hopefully anyway I do have this to say though

Longer days are better for town. Why is Jason watching this thread and not commenting on anything?

Longer days are better for town. Why is Jason watching this thread and not commenting on anything?

He won't. He's too busy having a panic attack.

Given the fact I said I was having serious family issues no less than 2/3 hours ago in big bold writing..

Just a quick note, due to an serious family matter I may not be about too much today or tomorrow. Mina has been notified as to the full reasons that I do not wish to get into.

i think it was pretty obivious why I was not, and will not be posting for the rest of today at least. Nice attempt on the dirty BTW.

[jasonT1981]

Hey, im here I want to say I am really sorry about day 3. My head really was not in it due to events. Things are better now so I am sitting down to read fully from day 3 and should have a post just before 49ers game kicks off.

Lateralus22, things are alot better thank you

[jasonT1981]

post comig now give me a few mins

[jasonT1981]

WTF? Its not letting me post my catch up.. page unavailable every time yet lets me post small things

[jasonT1981]

OK well OBV and confirmed town is DH claimed mason d1 and no counterclaim I am Vanilla town btw I believe it was asked earlier in the game when I was not around, sorry. I have been reading this from start of day 3 and my notes are what they probably would have been in d3... updating reads as I go along

Stephoscope - scum
DemonHybrid - obivious town uncountered Mason
DeathNote - scum through POE
jasonT1981 - Vanilla town
Lateralus22 - maybe scum/maybe town can't get a proper read on him.. ok changed after doc claim. Town

through POE that leaves scope and DN as scum



Day 3 kinda moved very quickly DH coming out and voting Scope which I agree with...however #342 of Lat seemed good however he then rush voted Scope.. possible bussing? not sure but there were clear questions out there and a qucik lynch would not work.

This from scope stands out as megascum for me

I am a vanilla townie.

It's a mistake to decide I'm scum based on my "meta" (although I encourage everyone to read through my games; Akira is picking and choosing to make his case), and I categorically deny that I was trying to "out a Mason".

So playing to scum meta yet we are to ignore it? ummm nope sorry don't buy it one bit

Wow...I just looked over my own wiki page. I'm not at all saying my meta proves I'm town, but I will say that, taken as a whole, it suggests the exact opposite of what Akira is claiming.

Look it over yourself. I mean, I'm 2-8 as town and 4-0 as scum. My game descriptions are accurate and were written long ago; check 'em out.

Unvote
Vote: Akira

here again with the im not scum despite Meta

Or...we could lynch Steph right now, because he's taking meta WIFOM to a new level and basing a LyLo vote on that.

We can claim after his lynch.

Agree he needs lynched

[jasonT1981]

Kit tries to vote to get a quick hammer, cutting off all discussions... bussing his Scum buddy? (I know at this point Kit flipped scum.. as I am reading back) seems like major bussing. a few posts later Scope declares Kit as scum

Steph, your read on Kit please.

Scum. I was asked for my top three; Akira and Kit are scum and I really don't have a read on a third.

If Kito flips scum, jason and DeathNote are most assuredly scum.

not sure you get I am scum, doesnt seem to have been much of a case made on me atm.. ok next post he expalins I have been Sheeping? how have I been sheeping anyone?

Preview edit: ISO him. He's been doing nothing but sheeping people all game, giving half-assed opinions. The basic active lurking.

Why isn't Stepth voting for kit?

Because I'm more convinced Akira is scum. I'll vote for Kit if the wagon goes that way, but based on Demon's recent post, that isn't clear.

Won't vote Kit, his buddy... but will vote Akira, claimed Vig.. a mislynch

to secure a scum win if it is a 3 person scum team

this is very telling... pushing the lynch on someone else but the flipped scum kniowing it would be a win.

DH, steph isn't cleared at all. Could you answer my question? Oh btw Steph should name his third suspect lol.

I don't have one.

wont name a 3rd scum because he is scum

BTW, later. If you subscribe to steph-scum then why would I put my own scumbuddy at l-1 with no explanation.

Yeah yeah wifom, but there's a boundary between wifom and just plain stupidity.

Interesting WIFOM between a now confirmed scum and suspected scum....

Nice way of posting the obvious (Akira is lying) and trying to subtly add in the lie (that I'm scum and my kill would make town lose). But hey, you're in bad shape, I can't say I'd be able to come up with anything better were I in your shoes.

We now know Akira was not lying... though you would say he was anyway to secure a lynch of someone now flipped town to win for scum..

Yeah, it's over. I got mid terms tomorrow. jason PLEASE if you can just give us some one liner reads if that's possible. Where's Akira when you need him?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Akira
Personally I want him dead, but hey.

Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Note to all:

This game isn't fucking going anywhere until Akira answers my question.

Love this, after the flips we know why Akira was wanted dead by Kit... SK could take them out..... note also now, how Scope wanted Akira taken out... two scum pushing it maybe? a very leading connection between Scope and Kit.. its now obivious why they want him dead.. and hey, who died night 3.... dun dun dun...Akira.... interesting eh?

AHHHH Interesting at Kits 451 http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p2672849

is that an attempt to make Lat look scum... is his partner bussing him hence sad?

[jasonT1981]

Demon,

Scum Team = {Kit ; Steph ; Akira} ?

Well I can promise that I'll help lynch Kit or Akira today, and then, should that person flip scum, I'll help lynch the other the next day.

If either flips town, you can lynch me if you need to, but it'll just be because I was wrong, not because I'm scum (I'm not).

Scumteam is most likely Kit, Akira and Jason unless DeathNote or Lateralus really has me fooled.

more pushing Akira lynch today... knowing it will win the game which Lat points out

Demon, what are you trying to say?

Preview Edit: STEPH WE'RE IN LYLO. if we lynch a townie town will lose

Demon, what are you trying to say?

Preview Edit: STEPH WE'RE IN LYLO. if we lynch a townie town will lose

I know this. I suppose I should have said if the second flips town, you can lynch me. We wouldn't necessarily be in LYLO tomorrow.

IF he flips town.. which you know he would... there would be NO TOMORROW... nice, very nice try though

I doubt SK due to lack of kills.

interesting but there could be a RBer.. the claim was made on D1...so scum wouild keep blocking to crerate a WIFOM situation and push his lynch.. who has been doing that??

Kat.. confirmed scum
Scope... interesting eh?

My guess is that the scum have somehow worked out that there's a doc (and they're not claiming for some stupid reason), or DH would be loldeaded by now.

Dont get this post at all.. more attempt at WIFOM

Am I the only one considering a {Kit ; Steph ; Akira} possibility?

That would be an awkward buss by all three of them. I am willing to believe kit and steph together but not akira.

Scum could be desperate to win townie points if things not going their way, maybe?

It looks clear to me, based on process of elimination. I understand that I'm under suspicion, and I accept that. I just don't understand why you don't consider that a realistic scumteam at this point. Whose flip would make you most consider it?

everyone but DH is suspect due to POE... your conection to Kit with both wanting Akira lynch is more damning though...

[jasonT1981]

Why jason over DN?

DeathNote said this:
"Jason and Stephoscope are both high on my list as scum. If there is a third, it is between Akira or Kito IMO. "

I know I'm town and I think Akira and Kit are both scum. I guess I need to consider the possibility that DeathNote double-bussed his partners as the "third"...but he does consistently read as town to me. I'll reread.

LOL... wow just after Scope pushes Akira again, this is said..

Why is Akirascum not dead yet, and why are you not busing him.

nice connection again eh?

Steph is town. Kitoari's quicklynch attempt confirms this.

Lat is town. He could have sat back and done nothing and let jason or DN hammer.

I'm town. I'm the other fucking mason.

That leaves...who?

Do not see how this makes Steph town.. the flips make him more likely to be scum IMO

Fwee, getting insanely bored of waiting. Aye jason I see you reading zee thread but please come in an comment, it's been days man. Killing DN is probably inevitable but I still need your input. Eh so, could ya start off with a small claim of your role?

btw, I already know I'll die so… obviously my slot has been protecting DH the whole time.

Claim: Doctor

DH was the obivious choice, So given the POE and the major connections between Kit and Scope, Scope pushing heavy on Akira just like the flipped scum I am lead to believe this is the right course of action

vote:Scope

[jasonT1981]

Oh, claims fake.... alright urgh giving me headache now...hmmm gambit from Lat.. interesting, though only thing I would claim is my role of VT anyway.

Don't know why it made me break up my posts there, weird.

[jasonT1981]

actually, I had DN as scum due to POE as I had factored your Doc claim in making you obv town... now that was fake.... the POE is null as it could be either of you.

[jasonT1981]

Vote: jasonT1981

Yay, high five!

CAUSE I WAS SCUM ALL ALONG!



No, just kidding. Seriously, high five =3

OMG! Scumclaim!!!!

vote: DH

Ahhh frack, too late

[jasonT1981]

not really, Kinad felt if there was a Doctor you would be protected and it would waste a kill.