Open 262-Hard Boiled!

[don_johnson]

vote: jessesheffield

its not going to work with the both of us here...

lol at brosius/hop. hindsight is 20/20, but that was some funny shit. your reasoning was so freaking sound, but hop made you look sooooooooooo bad.

[don_johnson]

are these posts out of order, if so, can we sort them correctly?

sorry guys, i'll need to reread this from the beginning. there is a lot of material packed into a page and a half.

[don_johnson]

Look at the positive side of it: Replacements mean you have two independent reads on the same slot.

i generally tend to ignore my reads on replacements if the first player leaves enough evidence to sway me one way or the other. i have some comic book searching to do today with my daughter. i will try and get an analysis up this afternoon/evening. hopefully the posting issue has sorted itself out.

[don_johnson]

sorry again. it seems my interweb problems have cleared up. i couldn't access the site the last 24 hours or so. i have to clean up and go to work, so my posting will be delayed. i see a shotty vote. shotty votes are always good. anyway, i'll get in when i can.

[don_johnson]

okay, trying to catch this up and i'm going to vote hop:

he starts the game by tossing out what i refer to as "sideways suspicions" against several players. that is, he posts accusatory posts without ever moving his random vote. voting is pro-town as it applies pressure and forces content and participation. "sideways suspicions" allow players to let suspicion build on a player so they can later move their vote onto an already moving bandwagon. i find this a bit scummy.

next, hop defends his play with nothing more than wifom. granted, this entire game is based on wifomic principles, but i find it scummy when players point it out as an excuse as opposed to trying and explaining their actions.

post 45 is terrible as the idea presented would allow scum a complete list from all townies about players suspicions. straight up picking a vig target is better, but i am personally of the opinion that power roles make up their own minds.

post 46 tries to apply "miscreant" behavior to all players.

57: AtE

i don't get hop's continued requests for "reasoning" behind the votes. it all seems quite clear.

post 63 seems to embrace the "lightning rod" philosophy of scumhunting. poor form.

funny I read a thread on here where the consensus was that scum is more likely to accuses people of Ate than town, but I will let that slide.

haha. in other words: "ignore my content." sorry pal. AtE is bona fide scummy. only time it isn't is when the pleas for mercy include reason and logic.

67 puts implosion top of the list for partner, but his earlier post seemed a bit pro-town. "hey buddy, i don't want you lynched, but be careful not to rolefish or i may have to..."

70 is typical brosius. pro-town, sensical. i'm beginning to hate this guy.

72 is fail.

78 is more fail deflection. "if i pretend there are no reasons posted for me to respond to, then the reasons don't exist."

79 AtE. asking questions which appear to have already been answered.

emp is making sense.

85 is interesting. it seems hop doesn't understand the DGB quote he has posted. key phrase being "when their pleas start to become too convincing. " there has been nothing convincing about hop's pleas.

92 is downright laughable. when someone says "lynch me." the correct thing to do is to lynch them.

i have no idea what "hoops" jesse is referring to. hop is doing nothing to prove he's town, other than repeat the phrase.

97: hop "other players are scummy." and...? any names? oh. okay.

99: oh. of course, the people wanting to lynch you. and... implosion? fits my earlier theory. interesting.

105: out of game AtE. please leave the self help post at home...

106 points out the common sense hop claims to be missing.

109: CLASSIC SCUM TELL. move the vote to the guy with the least content and least incentive to respond. well done.

vote: hoponmyjoystick

there is a very good reason that your wagon grew quickly to L-1. you are scummy as all get-out.

110: "please, let's not lynch my buddy"

122 is ridiculous. why would you be complaining when the guy who replaced out had ONE POST?

126 AtE.

128: "sideways suspicion".

caught up.

2. I said it happened to me once when my scum partner replaced out, didn't say everyone who replaces is scum cause u have replaced in as town so I know that isn't true

how would you know he's town?

[don_johnson]

That's a typo on my iPhone, should say I have replaced in as town

ok. i see that. doesn't make sense the way i read it anyway as sapo is not a replacement.(thought he was).

question retracted.

look forward to the implosion case.

[don_johnson]

^^ should be lynched.

I say leave Hop alone for now and have a dig around elsewhere especially anyone lurking.

like you?

[don_johnson]

^^ should be lynched.

like you?

Than stop talkin bout it and do it pussy

i am. i am not a day vig and i have only one vote. i have posted my case. your response is "herp derp, i'm not scumz."

Maybe. I'm posting when I'm here and I have something to say. At the end of the day that's for you all to judge but I know I'm not a threat.

wonderful contribution there...

[don_johnson]

So DJ when I flip town and this game is over hit me up and I'll teach you how to really scum hunt.

so yeah, this statement conflicts entirely with your self-imposed meta of being a VI in the process of reform. but whatever. if you flip town i'd be surprised, but not "shocked". and if iam here day 2 i'll show

you

how to really scumhunt.

[don_johnson]

funny. i thought that's why we were lynching you.

drmyshottyizsik[1]ConfidAnon
Scott Brosius[0]
don_johnson[0]
JesseSheffield[1]Empking
Shadow Dancer[0]
saporovirus[2]Shadow Dancer,implosion,

HopOnMyJoystick[3]Scott Brosius,don_johnson,drmyshottyizsik,

schrauben8542[0]
SnakePlissken[0]
Empking[1]HopOnMyJoystick
ConfidAnon[0]
implosion[0]
No Lynch[0]
Not Voting:JesseSheffield,SnakePlissken,schrauben8542,saporovirus,
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[don_johnson]

a) no, you haven't provided "valid" reasons for your votes.

b) your scumhunting consists of "wait, you voted me? your scum! oh wait, your voting me now? your scum too!

if my iso is bad, perhaps you could respond to it as opposed to ignoring it for the past couple a pages?

ninja'd

i;d love to see your iso on emp or anyone else for that matter, you say you were catching up yet you only focus on one player? how is that town motivated?

its called scumhunting. i read, decided you were deserving of my vote, posted why. thats generally how its done. your reaction has been scummy. just like your earlier play. probably has something to do with your role pm. you know, the one you got that tells you you're scum?

[don_johnson]

is that a lynch? huh, guess it is. i love the late bus by implosion. real classy.

[don_johnson]

vote: jessesheffield

i may be mixing up games here, but if this is the game where jesse hammered hop and then said, "oh btw i think he's town," then this is where i'll start today.

[don_johnson]

unvote

reread. what is the case on shadow? i didn't see any "fishing" in the post most recently quoted by scott.

[don_johnson]

my issue now is that i have seen shotty do this as both town and scum. if we are going to lynch him, we should do it today.

unvote, vote: shotty

i agree with empking over brosius.

[don_johnson]

shadow: is your vote "policy", or do you think shotty is scum?

[don_johnson]

i have a couple days off. i need to reread this game.

[don_johnson]

i'll

unvote, vote: snake

just for competing wagons. i do need to reread this thread. i do not think that leaving your vote on a claimed power role is terribad, unless you are leaving them at L-1 or L-2 or something. the vote should be looked at in context before i really decide, however, competing wagons are always good for town. has the case on shadow been presented? i feel like i've asked for it before...

seriously though. shotty is a policy lynch, and if we are to do it, it

needs

to be today...

[don_johnson]

i'll bite.

vote: confid

i'm not sure why anyone thinks "*bump*" is acceptable, but confid is an old friend and i don't think i've ever been dissatisfied with his lynch...

[don_johnson]

that's L-1 i do believe.

unvote

i'm not lynching like that.

snake: your post implies that you are happy about the shadow wagon being derailed. if this is so, then why?

drmyshottyizsik[0]
Scott Brosius[0]
don_johnson[0]
JesseSheffield[0]
Shadow Dancer[2]drmyshottyizsik,saporovirus,
saporovirus[0]
schrauben8542[0]
SnakePlissken[1]Empking,
Empking[0]

ConfidAnon[5]JesseSheffield,ScottBrosius,Shadow Dancer,SnakePlissken,

No Lynch[0]
NotVoting:schrauben8542,ConfidAnon,don_johnson,
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

ConfidAnon is at L2 as of this post.

Deadline

[don_johnson]

shadow was at L-2. how is that "going nowhere"?

please present the case on shadow. pretty sure this is the third time i've asked for this case...

[don_johnson]

*facepalm*

when did this turn into VI central?

[don_johnson]

vote: shotty

maybe if i keep doing this you will all realize what a good move it is...

[don_johnson]

^^ thats the thad i know and appreciate.

jesse: is it CA or noone for you today? i.e. are you willing to lynch elsewhere?

[don_johnson]

Ur at l-1. Claim.

[don_johnson]

That's a lie. You are most definitely not a vanilla townie.

unvote, vote coug

Enough said.

drmyshottyizsik[1]StrangerCoug
Scott Brosius[0]
don_johnson[0]
JesseSheffield[0]
Shadow Dancer[2]Empking,ThAdmiral
saporovirus[1]drmyshottyizsik,
ThAdmiral[0]
SnakePlissken[0]
Empking[0]

StrangerCoug[5]JesseSheffield,ScottBrosius,Shadow Dancer,SnakePlissken,saporovirus,don_johnson,

No Lynch[0]
NotVoting:
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

StrangerCoug has been lynched. Scene incoming, but for now I'm locking the topic.

[don_johnson]

i'll have to give this a reread. i still don't see why a shotty vote is a bad thing.

hider tracker should only claim if they have a useful result.

FoS: Brosius

for suggesting the claim without the appropriate caveat.

[don_johnson]

of course. i'm the hider tracker. emp hid behind jesse. which is not "useful" results imo. brosius logic is fail as hider dies if the player he hides behind is scum

or

nk'd. maybe you guys should have read the rules before running this gambit.

vote: Thad

thanks for outing yourselves...

[don_johnson]

That was funny. Well done shotty. Gg all.