Open 262-Hard Boiled!

[Empking]

Vote; Don

[Empking]

Vote HOMJ

1. Any reason?
2. Have you played with anybody in this game before?

[Empking]

Vote HOMJ

1. Any reason?
2. Have you played with anybody in this game before?

1. No reason other than when he comes into any game that we are in together he usually votes me, so I beat him to the punch this time.
2. I am actively in games with drmyshottyizsik, don_johnson, Shadow Dancer, HopOnMyJoystick and implosion atm, as far a names I recognize.

Why are you asking if I have a reason when you didn't post a reason for your vote of Don?

Because I know my reason for voting but I didn't know your's.

[Empking]

Vote: Shadow Dancer

because the scum are face dancers. Close enough for me.

I don't know anyone here well. So nice to meet you all .

Because I know my reason for voting but I didn't know your's.

This reason is what?

I've only really played with Don before.

[Empking]

One of the main questions about whether to get a vig or a tracker is whether or not we're planning on leading the vig. If we did then we'd give scum additional power but if we didn't then we'd run the risk of one bad player ruining it for us and an increased odds of getting rid of our hider.

Everybody: Your thoughts on whether we should direct the vig or not (if we pick vig)

Tracker is quite a powerful role (though it doesn't have the game changing effects of vig) so I don't think we should be worried about wasting the vig/tracker if we move into that direction.

[Empking]

Wow trying super hard to establish you are pro town shadow, without any reason to

Does that strike you as scummy?

[Empking]

Wow trying super hard to establish you are pro town shadow, without any reason to

Does that strike you as scummy?

Actully yes I do find it scummy

Why are you still random voting then?

[Empking]

Just cause i think something is scummy doesn't mean he is scum

people say and do scummy things all the time and turn out to be town. I'll change my vote when I feel like I should, not cause somebody tells me to.

Nobody told you to.

Your logic is (the odds of a random player is scum) > (the odds of player that commits a scummy action is scum). Doesn't seem quite logical.

Unvote

Vote: Hop

[Empking]

I've never cared for vigs. They usually end up hitting town and end up being a liability.

Thoughts on Hop?

[Empking]

I've never cared for vigs. They usually end up hitting town and end up being a liability.

Thoughts on Hop?

Why are you directing people, why not ask him his thoughts on everyone

Because you've acted in a genuinely scummy fashion and nobody else has.

I am directing players into posting useful and readable content, I'll make no apology of that.

[Empking]

Hop; Are you opposed to directing the tracker/vig's choice? If so, how would it hurt it the town?

[Empking]

Hop is pretty clearly scum (he's far, far too overdefensive and is far more worried than town should be when he got to L-1, plus Schrauben is clearly his buddy (how could town possibly try and defend Hop?)

I can't believe I am saying this but I agree with shotty, regardless if you say it is a pressure vote or not, the person should still respond the same. if a player ignores a vote that is labeled as a pressure vote, that would be deemed scummy.

No you're wrong again.

[Empking]

No you are wrong

See how that works, just cause you say it, doesn't make it any mire valid

You're objectively wrong about that. Ask Don or somebdy if you want.

btw, when I flip town will you admit you are an idiot?

Another scumtell right here.

[Empking]

Town wouldn't be terrified of getting lynched page 3.
RVS isn't a necessity when it can be overtaken by good set up discussion posts or by somebody such as yourself being really scummy, then it should be. (I don't think you played scummy there just badly, though.)

[Empking]

Wow trying super hard to establish you are pro town shadow, without any reason to

A silly attack that you refused to back up with a vote.

Post 7 (ISO): Over defensive and some subtle attack on myself ("Stop being so transparent.")

Post 19 (ISO): Backing down from attack on Shadow despite not being given or suggesting any reasons for why his view on Shadow should have changed.

Secondly, his getting defended by the goon who also random voted him. That seems like scumbuddies to me.

[Empking]

Oh and the AtE that his posts are rife with.

[Empking]

Hop: Do you have a game (preferably on this site) where you kept your RVS vote on a player despite finding another player scummier?

[Empking]

Whoops. Okay I'm in.

DJ, I don't really care either way, Empking's in this game so it's less likely we'll have issues.

Am I

famous

?

In all serious,
1. Explain the injoke between you and DJ.
2. Tracker or vig? Add your 2 cents to that debate.

Everybody;
Thoughts on Hop?
Thoughts on the set up?

[Empking]

Again, why tell people to focus JUST on me, if you are interested in finding scum, narrowing search to one person isn't pro town

I'm telling other players how to scum hunt.

I'm

scumhunting.

But fine. Hop post a three sentance summary on everybody in this game.

[Empking]

Telling people to focus on one player is not scum hunting, when there are more than 1 scum in the game

Where have i told people to focus on one player? All I've done is ask people to give their opinion on the most active, most scummy player. To commit on at least one opinion.

[Empking]

I didn't see this post before.

Hop: Do you have a game (preferably on this site) where you kept your RVS vote on a player despite finding another player scummier?

have you missed me say atleast twice, somebody saying something is scummy =/= (this means DOES NOT EQUAL, maybe this is where the disconnect was) being scum

just cause what i thought SD did was scummy doesn't mean I think he is scum so i did not feel the need to change my vote

If you're not going to put a serious vote on until you're 100% sure they're scum (the mod has announced the death scene is the only way to be 100% in this game) then you're pretty much useless to us.

Hop: Give me a name.

[Empking]

Wow so that's a stretch from what I said to how you interpreted it.

I posted my vote on implosion for rvs
left it cause he had not responded

He didn't respond to your Random Vote so you kept voting him, really?

once he responded he basically ignored my vote and votes me pushing way wagon closer to L-1 for following what others have said and not making his own case

Happened after you decided to keep your random vote rather than voting SD. So irrelevant.

tbh all this talk about me is distracting me from scum hunting also so I'll move on from our banter cause we basically are going to disagree with each other and I feel we are distracting the town and giving mafia an easy excuse to bw a townie

OK.

drmyshottyizsik[1]ConfidAnon
Scott Brosius[0]
don_johnson[0]
JesseSheffield[1]don_johnson
Shadow Dancer[0]
saporovirus[0]

HopOnMyJoystick[4]Scott Brosius,Shadow Dancer,Empking,drmyshottyizsik

schrauben8542[0]
Shattered Viewpoint[1]saporovirus
Empking[0]
ConfidAnon[0]
implosion[1]drmyshottyizsik,
No Lynch[0]
Not Voting:JesseSheffield,Shattered Viewpoint,schrauben8542,HopOnMyJoystick,implosion,
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[Empking]

JS: Have you thought about scumhunting? That might help.

[Empking]

Unvote
Vote: Sapo

drmyshottyizsik[1]ConfidAnon
Scott Brosius[0]
don_johnson[0]
JesseSheffield[1]don_johnson
Shadow Dancer[0]

saporovirus[3]Shadow Dancer,drmyshottyizsik,Empking,

HopOnMyJoystick[2]Scott Brosius,saporovirus,
schrauben8542[0]
Shattered Viewpoint[1]HopOnMyJoystick
Empking[0]
ConfidAnon[0]
implosion[0]
No Lynch[0]
Not Voting:JesseSheffield,Shattered Viewpoint,schrauben8542,implosion,
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[Empking]

JS: Have you thought about scumhunting? That might help.

LOL.

I'm deadly serious.

[Empking]

Have we ever played in the same game before?

Unvote

Vote: JS

Shameless active lurking.

[Empking]

SP: Please post reads on every player in this game.

Hop: Actually, where are your reads you promised me. Remermber, three sentences each.

[Empking]

I've had three serious votes. That's not tunneling.

SP: Who's scum?

[Empking]

I've had three serious votes. That's not tunneling.

SP: Who's scum?

Maybe but your pursuit of hop was nothing short of it though.

There was no pursuit of Hop! I wanted people to give relevant bloody opinions.

I don't know. That's what we have to work out.

I'd prefer if it wasn't just me and a couple of other trying to work it out.

[Empking]

I'd like to mention that I'm pro-vig now.

Edit: Since I'm not on the site for 9 hours a day that "no time to breath" doesn't hold water.

Not "ergo tunnelling" because I wanted opinions from

every

player which is the oposite from tunneling.

I'll ask again. Who's scum?

[Empking]

And I'll give you the same answer. I don't know yet otherwise I would have voted. Time on the site has nothing to do with it. When you are here your all over one person at a time. Yes butnyou were effectively asking for opinions on one person, so actually counterproductive. It allows scum to sit and watch.

No.

It makes it so scum has to either commit to an opinion or reveal (as JS did) themselves as scum.

SP read the game again and vote for the player you consider scummiest.

[Empking]

Saying that a town would have no problem being lynched on page 3 is a bit strange; what if they were a town power role? What if they, you know... would rather lynch scum?

You have a point about PRs but we know that doesn't imply in this case. Mafioso's main goal each day is to survive so they'll react a lot worse to L-1 than the scumhunting VT. (I'd like to mention that I'm basing thiss off the presumption that there wasn't any rational reason to be afraid of getting lynched.)

[Empking]

I really dislike Hop's reads but I hate JS's play.

DJ: Active lurking? Is it a tell when JS does it?

[Empking]

You need a response?

I really dislike Hop's reads but I hate JS's play.

DJ: Active lurking? Is it a tell when JS does it?

Again with the opinions with no support

see genius, you should be saying

I don't like hop's reads because ____________

I hate JS's play because _________

your half ass attempt of scum hunting is actually a bigger scum tell than anything you have pointed out cause it is just a show, it's looking like you are pointing out scum but not really.

When I want your tips on posting I'll.. I'll never want your tips.

Also Hop, try and take a guess to why I dislike JS's play.

drmyshottyizsik[1]ConfidAnon
Scott Brosius[0]
don_johnson[0]
JesseSheffield[1]Empking
Shadow Dancer[0]

saporovirus[3]Shadow Dancer,drmyshottyizsik,implosion,

HopOnMyJoystick[2]Scott Brosius,don_johnson,
schrauben8542[0]
SnakePlissken[0]
Empking[1]HopOnMyJoystick
ConfidAnon[0]
implosion[0]
No Lynch[0]
Not Voting:JesseSheffield,SnakePlissken,schrauben8542,saporovirus,
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[Empking]

Also Hop, try and take a guess to why I dislike JS's play.

[Empking]

and EMP you have pushed for my bandwagon and looking back you never give a reason for my vote, you vote me cause you disagree with my comment that somebody can be scummy and not be scum.

Seriously!

You have not really posted anything of value as why I am a good lynch, the only thing i see are random thoughts, the closest thing I see is an accusation of AtE but town and scum use AtE to save themselves from a lynch, AtE isn't a scum tell either.

Seriously!

you also ask JS if he is going to scum hunt but since you haven't scum hunted yet seems like a contradiction to me.

Seriously?

than you unvote and vote JS for lurking, which isn't always a scum tell cause VTs tend to be inactive also, and looking at his posts i wouldn't say he is lurking

This is just a lie and misrep. (not worthy of a seriously though)

You tell SP to post his reads on everone, you ask me to post mine, however you haven't posted your reads on anyone but me which aren't even a read, it was more of you are scummy cause I say so, which again is scum tell more than anything else i have done this game

Seriously! (three serious votes and I'm only focused on you? Really?)

THIS is just a boldface lie and this alone shoudl be worthy of a lynch - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p2597805

No it isn't.

your votes have not been serious since you don't explain why you are voting that person or why what they are doing is scummy, so they can't be considered serious in anybody's book

Wrong

YET ANOTHER LIE

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p2597816

you did not pursue me? REALLY? talk about a load of crap, you were pushing everyone my direction and pushing for my lynch.

I was asking people for their opinions of you to learn about THEM. I understand that paranoid scum can't see the difference.

than all of a sudden you want everyone to provide their opinions because somebody else has now called you on your bullshit.

Quote please

[Empking]

1. he interjects himself into a comment I made to SD and uses that as a way to start a bandwagon on an "unsuspecting townie" but I am smarter than he thinks

You may be smarter than I think of you now but back then I presumed you were of average intelligence. Also the implication that I shouldn't scumhunt on things directed to SD rather than myself is just plain nonsense.

2. he pushes people to look into his case on me, however he never makes one and than later claims he wants to hear from everyone

I'm pretty sure that's an untruth.

3. he changes his stance when somebody else who doesn't appear scummy to the town starts pointing out his bullshit

Who?!?

[Empking]

OK, don't answer that "who?". But really, that's your great person who agrees with you? I wouldn't change my play because of him if he claimed cop.

Edit

"however he never makes one" - I presumed that was the scummy bit and was the bit I disagreed with.

[Empking]

Wanting people to give relevant bloody opinions.

As you yourself proved asking opinions on every player just gives you a whole load of nothing.

[Empking]

Wanting people to give relevant bloody opinions.

As you yourself proved asking opinions on every player just gives you a whole load of nothing.

I gain something from every post and the people who don't post relevant content will be dealt with, either by lynch or mod intervention.

I'm going to tell you a secret. Mods don't replace active lurkers and to lynch it requires people to vote a player. You don't get rid of players like JS by using magical powers.

it is obvious when people are avoiding scum hunting and people will catch on. but I have seen enough contradictions and "fluff" posts to know that you are either not on your game this time or you are scum.

Give me a fluff post. (Quote one)

[Empking]

Neither of those examples is fluff.

One includes a perfectly good question and the other is a bloody vote.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Hop

I meant to do that during our discussion yesterday.

JS: Is active lurking your meta?

[Empking]

Snake: Until Hop exploded recently I wasn't focused on lynching Hop. I was trying to get people to give opinions.

Sapro: Give an example of where I active lurked?

Vote:Sapro

- Same reason as the wagon beforehand.

[Empking]

Snake: Until Hop exploded recently I wasn't focused on lynching Hop. I was trying to get people to give opinions.

Sapro: Give an example of where I active lurked?

Vote:Sapro

- Same reason as the wagon beforehand.

Your contributions to date: Hop is scummy. Hop is scummy. Let's discuss theory: do you think we should direct our vig if we get a vig? Hop is scummy. Hop is scummy. Jesse is active lurking. I'm on a Saprowagon. Jesse is active lurking so he is scummy. I want Hop and DJ to post their reads of every player because I am super great number one A+ scumhunter. No I'm not tunneling Hop. Vote: Hop

d2) I'm a necrophiliac! saprowagon. I don't care to provide any explanation.

So I guerss you couldn't find a post where I active lurked? I'm very happy with my vote. Where do you get the "I am super great number one A+ scumhunter" from BTW?

[Empking]

A response to a question is not active lurking. Try again.

(If I weas going for "the easiest target" I'd be vote Jesse right now, so that's clarly not true.)

[Empking]

I was not "going for Hop" until her exploded with his god awful case and when that happened I didn't do anything to support the wagon other than place my vote to it.

I'm voting you for three reasons.
1. Supporting a lynch on Hop despit thinking he was a VI (early on) [the reason I placed the vote]
2. Your rhetoric and lies that make up your case against me today.
3. Your hypocritism in talking about my treatment of Hop suggests that you're not giving honest opinions.

[Empking]

didn't think you were scummy for voting Hop I thought you were scummy for voting Hop despite thinking him town.

[Empking]

Jesse is active lurking so he is scummy.

Oh no no no. It was, Jesse is active lurking, so he's scum.

Empking's case on sapo is stupid. Yeah. Let's start a case on one of the most logical players in this game. Isn't it interesting how all of Empking's suspects are the ones who disagree with him? Yeah...

I think you're forgetting about Hop, Sapro and yourself. (Which have been my only suspects) (I suppose that might be some truth in the statement that any player I votes for then later chooses to disagree me.)

Shotty: What iioa?

Edit: Givbe me the slightest bit of evidence of where I tunneled on Hop.

I'm claiming now:
Hider. JS is town.

[Empking]

Jesse is active lurking so he is scummy.

Oh no no no. It was, Jesse is active lurking, so he's scum.

Empking's case on sapo is stupid. Yeah. Let's start a case on one of the most logical players in this game. Isn't it interesting how all of Empking's suspects are the ones who disagree with him? Yeah...

I think you're forgetting about Hop, Sapro and yourself. (Which have been my only suspects) (I suppose that might be some truth in the statement that any player I votes for then later chooses to disagree me.)

Shotty: What iioa?

Edit: Givbe me the slightest bit of evidence of where I tunneled on Hop.

I'm claiming now:
Hider. JS is town.

[Empking]

unvote

Emp- I didn't disagree with you AFTER you "listed" me as a suspect (I'm also not getting the idea that you genuinely suspect me). I voted for you BEFORE.

Quote please. (remember I voted for you on Day 1)

I hid behind JS because he's impossible to read.

[Empking]

Yawn OMGUS etc.

I see no benefit to asking why Emp hid behind JS. He's still alive, I believe his claim. Seemed like scum trying to get more information on what red flags Emp is looking for to avoid being caught.

You are also obsessed with the tracker/vig role. You harped on it beginning of D1. You bring it up again D2. Rolefishing may not be the right word, but trying to figure out the setup is more prone to be scum behavior than town.

No it isn't.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Snake

[Empking]

It's funny how Shotty's shotties hit his own toes every single time...

Anyway, I've thought about it and decided that Scott definitely isn't the lynch of the day.

unvote. vote Shotty

I've done some meta reading (thanks to Shotty's unequaled ... "brief" ... posting style that's quickly done ) and so far his behaviour in this game looks more like his scum meta to me.

Be more specific.

[Empking]

I've found you very tunneling and unresponsive with people trying to prove your wrong (plus you're still voting me but haven't mentioned my claim.)

[Empking]

Mod: I'm voting Snake

[Empking]

I think we all know what we have to do right nowe, right? That's right its wagonning Snake.

[Empking]

Emp is confirmed town.
And you haven't even read this thread.
I like the idea of a pressure waggon on you.

Since nothing else important seems to be happening at the monent:

unvote.

vote SP.

FoS Shotty[/b]

He's confirmed town? I mean he is most likely town given there is no counter-claim but thats not confirmed. Only scum would have the knowledge that he is confirmed town.

Zing!

Vote Shadow

Seriously?

Everybody who doesn't vote Snake I'd like a reason why.

[Empking]

*bump*

Why aren't you voting Snake?

[Empking]

CA's wagon ot steam far too quicky. Snake's pretty clearly scum (probably with Scott).

[Empking]

Gosh how repetitively tunnelling you are Emp. Why don't you change the record, across 3 games this is getting really boring now.

You know I haven't tunneled once this game. Stop saying I have been. In my very last post I gave my strong suspicions of Scott.

CA is clearly town so the question we should ask ourselves is why that wagon got so far and the one on you didn't. Can you give an explaination because I can only think of the one.

[Empking]

Really Empking. What makes ConfidAnon town.

Its baseless rapidity of the wagon.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: SD

Is larger.

[Empking]

Unless somebody is willing to hammer SC shouldn't claim.