Open 218: Two-fold C9 - Game Over

[Chronopie]

Vote: Elscouta

Boredom is now a scumtell

Means you know too much.

[Chronopie]

Wait, xScorpion's in this game?

Unvote, Vote: xScorpion

The sooner he dies, the better.

[Chronopie]

@Mr.Sandman. My first newb game doesn't count as valid meta. and FTR, I did pick out the scum team, but got tunnelled and lynched.

Unless your an alt, I don't know which game you're talking about.

[Chronopie]

EBWOP: If you're talking about a different game, unless etc.

[Chronopie]

Why wouldn't I want to bring other games into it? Meta is a useful tool.

First game meta is unreliable, as the first game is testing the waters, so to speak.

[Chronopie]

1. How long have you been playing Mafia? (inside and outside MS)
2. How would you describe your meta?
3. What's your win/loss record?
4. Favorite setup?
5. What do you think is the biggest scum tell?
6. How do you make your decisions?

1) Since 9th Feb 2010, as per my join Date
2) Slightly Lurkerish, with a dash of anti-town. And a generous Helping of devil's advocate.
3) Atrocious: 2W/3L as Town, 0/1 as scum.
4) The PyP's and Pledge of allegiance (Pick your power, pick your alignment respectively)
5)

Claiming Scum.

(I've seen Frustrated townies do this too ) Contradiction in role claims.
6) Gut/Stream of Consciousness.

[Chronopie]

@Mod: Check my sig, V/LA

[Chronopie]

Having reread the thread, I dislike the way that mr. sandman jumped on Inhim for jumping on oddin's use of 'better', its sounds, to me, of either a) Chainsaw defence of a scum buddy, or b) scum defending a townie, to earn town cred. (or at least someone not of his faction).

Additionally, elscouta is pushing for an inhim wagon with adequate (or any) reason, with gems such as

There's too much debate around easjo and not enough votes on inHim.

Confidanon gave very little reason for placing inhim at L-3, only stating that he disliked inhim's use of word choice as a vote reason. I don't really see why there's much more to say.

Slepz is lurker

@Mod: Prod please

On Inhim: The word choice wasn't really a good thing to attempt to push a wagon on.

I did not jump on ODDin because he placed a "serious vote." I voted ODDin because he claimed his vote was better than a random vote. I would have been OK with "more than a random vote" or "finally, something besides a random vote" but "better"? No, that's dishonest.

sounds like BS reasoning to justify what was, essentially, little better than a random vote. The vote on Beefster appears to be largely unprovoked.

[Chronopie]

@Inhim: I too would like to hear why I make this scumlist.

[Chronopie]

@xScorpion: My top picks right now would be Elscouta, Sandman, and two of CA, Slepz, Inhim, and Easjo

[Chronopie]

Scott really only has active lurking and confusing posts against him. If I had more time to actually take a look at him before, I probably wouldn't have put him on my scumlist. There isn't enough evidence against him.

Just noticed some flawed reasoning. Active Lurking is an anti town action. I don't really see how lack of evidence = less scummy. If anything, it should make him look even more scummy.

You be in my head, posting my ideas.

Active lurking is anti-town, anti-town actions are scummy, therefore active-lurking is scummy.

[Chronopie]

XScorpion (1) Chronopie
inHimshallibe (2) Elscouta, ODDin
Chronopie (2) Mr.Sandman, Mr. Chaos
Beefster (1) Scott Brosius
Elscouta (1) XScorpion
Scott Brosius (2) easjo682, ConfidAnon
easjo682 (1) Chevre
(No vote) Beefster, inHimshallibe
12 alive; 7 votes lynch.

@ODDin: I agree that many find Active lurking to be just anti-town, and pure theory discussion is unproductive, but in <ongoing - redacted> it's actually taken out

<ongoing - redacted>

several scum.

@Scott: No, I'm fine with standard mafia platitudes right now.

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Beefster's erroneous conclusion suggests only a few possibilities to me: 1) Scumbuddies, 2) Scum that knows Scott is town (or at least not on the same team), thus

"Not on my scumlist"

because he knows who's scum (at least part), or 3) newb-town.

[Chronopie]

personally, #1 or #2 seems most likely.

Putting my vote where my gut is at:

Unvote, Vote: Beefster

[Chronopie]

The scum read on Beefster has been re-enforced by his last post. No comments, no reason?

Wagon is go.

[Chronopie]

Sorry about my inactivity. Exams, study, other games in more interesting phases (Such as Massclaim, my own lynch, etc.)

Given Beefster's flip in the other game he's in, and the similarity in playstyle, I'm going to:

Confirm Vote: Beefster

<-- If I had another vote to place, I'd ready the hammer.

In any case Beefster, it's claim time.

[Chronopie]

lrn2read kthxbai.

[Chronopie]

/prodded.

tbh, I'd forgotten about this game entirely.

Having the prod labelled as Newbie 955 didn't help either...

Considering I'd just been lynched in Newbie 954.

rereading.

[Chronopie]

So I hear it's being resumed...

[Chronopie]

Well that's five...

Wait, What?

Players

XScorpion
Chronopie
Scott Brosius

Elscouta

Karma

Toon Fighter

ConfidAnon

ODDin
Mr.Sandman

easjo682

Mr. Chaos

The rest of the slot are empty?

[Chronopie]

Did you read the whole thread? Do you have any views besides Karma being suspicious? Content would be nice.
That goes for all replacements.
@People who aren't replacements: do you agree with Taz that I should cut equinox slack, despite my previous suspicions of Karma? Are you going to vote for the same people you are voting for, even if they were replaced? Opinions, please.

Well I've quite forgotten who I suspected (If I even did, I recall being pretty disengaged), so some leniency from me.

[Chronopie]

@Chronopie: Chronopie!! Contribute soon. What's your flavor? Equinox or drymyshotty?

Hello!

Finally finished my re-read (long hard slog. I remember why I was so disengaged first time round).

Your Dichotomy is noted, but conveniently I was going to

VOTE: drymyshotty anyway.

[Chronopie]

Content removed.

[Chronopie]

7 alive. all casualties have been townies.

3 : 2:2

I'm fast becoming an endangered species.

Massclaiming time?

[Chronopie]

Derp. I counted myself twice >_<

[Chronopie]

Mass claiming isn't going to help, Chronopie. We're all going to end up claiming vanilla townie, especially with that botched doctor claim (*grr*). You're probably scum, anyhow, so... yeah, definitely a "no."

Just because there's a 2/3 chance of any player being scum.

I'm going to go reread and pick my scum target of the day.

uhhh... Look for four. Or at the very least, a pair.

[Chronopie]

Well, the 2/3 chance of

Anyone

being scum assumes that 4 of the 6 players are scum... Oh wait. They are.

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From what I can tell for the numbers game, for either scum faction to win, they need a successful lynch and x-kill.

VOTE: No Lynch

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I'm willing to bet we have a split like so (FTR: #583 sounds like either buddying or soft defence);

Town

Chronopie
XScorpion/Mr.Sandman

Scum

XScorpion/Mr.Sandman
ODDin

Equinox
Hinduragi

[Chronopie]

go-lone-remaining-townie. /bah post.

[Chronopie]

Yeah...

In a two-team, power-heavy (or so I thought) game, getting a VT pm just kinda... meh.

this game has re-enforced my dislike of VT-ism.

[Chronopie]

Why play then? Do you always just give up and provide nothing when you are VT? Obviously it's more entertaining to have night decisions but that's not fair to everyone else in the game.

It's one thing to be new to the game and obviously act scummy because you don't know any better. This doesn't seem to be true in your case.

It's more that I expected to see a fair bit of Night interaction, instead we had a

Mafia

Angel, and a Town Tracker dead N2.

So it became pure mountainous (from a town point of view), and scum-hunting (Without scum flips) is really, really not my forte. I like to see NAs + Scum flips, then draw conclusions based on said interactions between players and roles...

(I'd never willingly play a pure mountainous game)

I play the same way every (and I mean every) game. My enthusiasm may wax or wane, based on role, but not my play.

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If we'd switched spots, I probably wouldn't have (basically) flaked half way through.

[Chronopie]

Perhaps a limitation on which roles can go to scum

or

town, and which are town only? i.e Tracker roles vs Doc roles? bc Scum doc in a 2-man team is a little imba, even if it didn't come into play much.

[Chronopie]

Scum two man groups should never have a doc. a JK would solve the problem, although requiring the restriction of either JK or Kill, not both ofc.

other than that I can't think of any horribly imbalanced roles for a 2-man team.