Open 218: Two-fold C9 - Game Over

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Hey kids, I'm Karma!

Rereading.

unvote

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Beefster is scummaliciously hypocritical.

I want more from Chevre - her easjo case was crap.

But...bum-ba-da-bum...Mr. Chaos is probably my top pick for scum ATM.

Is pretty much total defeatism and I dislike it. But it also gives me a small town vibe as well, which doesn't sit well with me either.

That's just useless fluff that looks like you're doing something. Try harder.

I really think though, that Crono needs to get in this game more. I would really like to hear more from him, and I feel the only way may be to:

Vote: Chrono

Ooh, a pressure vote on a lurker?! That's real good scumhunting you're doing there.

You be in my head, posting my ideas.

Active lurking is anti-town, anti-town actions are scummy, therefore active-lurking is scummy.

.....That's all your gonna say? Some pretty exciting things have been happening, and all you can think to do is agree with something I posted?

Crono's recent posts are giving me a decent townish vibe, but Beefster's style has been crashing hard. I would rather see Beef try and actually hunt than vote ignorantly.

Unvote; Vote: Beefster

These two posts happened BACK-TO-BACK. "Decent townish vibe?" Could you be more contradictory? Couple that with a wagony vote on Beefster and you get yourself scum.

vote: Mr. Chaos

And Xscorp, I totally understand why you'd be voting me. Elso-whatshisname played pretty pathetically. I'll make up for it, though - I've already pointed out one of our obvscumz here.

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While beefster looks like obv. scum at this point, the people who are hurriedly jumping to his wagon could easily be on the other faction.

Totally agree with this. I don't think his buddy would jump to bus him that fast - the other faction, though, definitely would.

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I'm not debating whether or not this was planned or not, considering we're talking about easjo.

how does this effect anything, what you mean when you say considering its me?

Considering the style of VI your playing as. It deviates from the normal VI I would expect to appear, and sort of rocks in this gray area between VI and Normal play.

Hey Mr. Chaos, who is scum?

you

In all seriousness, I dislike Elscouta's and Chrono's play. I'm really more likely to vote for them than some others. I won't lie when I say I feel like my reads this game are totally off balanced, and I really dislike my play this game as well.

I dislike the inHim wagon, but I'm not entirely opposed to it. From what I've seen of his play, its not too far off, but it strikes me a little bit odd. Also this post:

OK, an actual attempt at scumhunting will come today. Lynch me otherwise.

Is pretty much total defeatism and I dislike it. But it also gives me a small town vibe as well, which doesn't sit well with me either.

I really think though, that Crono needs to get in this game more. I would really like to hear more from him, and I feel the only way may be to:

Vote: Chrono

That is the entire post, and in red is what Karma quoted. Karma pinpointed one part of a much larger post as "fluff."

The next point of Karma's case comes from the same post, actually, and it is just another tidbit.

Finally, the "contradiction." While it is awkward that Mr. Chaos would post those two things back to back, it is not necessarily contradictory. Contribution and townieness don't have to be linked.

All in all, I find Karma's case on Mr. Chaos is poor, and XScorpion's follow-up looks like extreme buddying now.

Vote: Karma

, with XScorpion as most likely partner. I would also like to acknowledge that Beefster is my second suspect, with inHim as his most likely partner.

So let's see what you've got here:

First off, a GIGANTIC CHAINSAW DEFENSE.

Finally, the "contradiction." While it is awkward that Mr. Chaos would post those two things back to back, it is not necessarily contradictory. Contribution and townieness don't have to be linked.

Secondly, here's what happened:

1. Chaos votes Chrono because he thinks he's not participating enough
2. Chrono continues to not participate very much
3. Chaos suddenly gets a "decent townie feel" from Chrono

You call this "not necessarily contradictory." Explain yourself, cause it looks pretty fucking contradictory from my perspective.

Also, why question Chaos about the contradiction when you defended him about it two posts earlier? Subtle distancing?

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Also, Karm, why'd you quote Chev's post about your disagreements with me, then say absolutely nothing about it?

Huh?

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@Chevre: Chrono made 5 posts in between the time of Chaos's voting post and Chaos saying he has a "decent town vibe."

I guess this is a better question for Chaos than you, but it also applies to you:

What about those posts seemed so damn townie to you? Here they are for reference:

@Inhim: I too would like to hear why I make this scumlist.

@xScorpion: My top picks right now would be Elscouta, Sandman, and two of CA, Slepz, Inhim, and Easjo

You be in my head, posting my ideas.

Active lurking is anti-town, anti-town actions are scummy, therefore active-lurking is scummy.

@ODDin: I agree that many find Active lurking to be just anti-town, and pure theory discussion is unproductive, but in <ongoing - redacted> it's actually taken out

<ongoing - redacted>

several scum.

@Scott: No, I'm fine with standard mafia platitudes right now.

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Beefster's erroneous conclusion suggests only a few possibilities to me: 1) Scumbuddies, 2) Scum that knows Scott is town (or at least not on the same team), thus

"Not on my scumlist"

because he knows who's scum (at least part), or 3) newb-town.

personally, #1 or #2 seems most likely.

Putting my vote where my gut is at:

Unvote, Vote: Beefster

Is that a superbly pro-town player to you? Are those posts good enough reason to shamelessly wagon on Beefster?

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I've seen Beefster as scum twice, and he's never AtE'd like this before. I don't know what to make of it. Chaos is still scum.

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Well one is ongoing, but we're both dead in it. Actually looking back he never got the chance to claim at L-1, but the hammer happened quick and he was still defending himself til the end. The other was a game I read - he never got pressured and actually played a good scum game.

Maybe that statement above was wrong. I don't know how he acts in danger of a lynch.

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Chaos, what do you think of Beefster?

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I would rather see Beef try and actually hunt than vote ignorantly.

I need a whole lot more than this as reasoning for your vote if you want to convince me you're not scum.

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I'm leaning scum, definitely.

In fact, enough to do this:

unvote, vote: beefster

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Okay, there is no way Chaos is not scum, seriously.

VOTE: Mr. Chaos

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Whoever's not posting needs to get their ass in gear and vote Chaos.

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@Scott: That's not a vote for Chaos.

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ODDin + Chaos as scumbuddies. Discuss this possibilty.

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My reasons for the vote are the same as yesterday's. Kapeesh?

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Yes.
But I was also pretty sure beefster was on the opposing scumteam and a Chaos lynh definitely wasn't happening yesterday. So I dropped the hammah.

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Heh. XScorp knows who I am. No telling.

But there's no need for opinions on anyone else today. We need to lynch Chaos and that's that.

Still feeling ODDin + Chaos scumbuddy vibes, with ODDin knowing that he's going to have to bus eventually but keeping his distance for now.

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Meh. It's a strategy I thought I'd try this game.

But I have talked about other players, if you do notice.

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ODDin

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No, I don't. Not today, at least. Chaos is getting lynched today so I can build my case on him tomorrow.

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Because I want Chaos to get lynched today and I'm a lazy bastard.

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Even more reason to suspect an ODDin + Chaos scumteam.

And I see what you're calling a slip on me, Sandman. But there's two things wrong with it:

1. It was a simple mistake. Hell, I don't know if I'll be alive tomorrow.
2. In a game with two scumteams, the scum can't assume they'll be alive tomorrow. So your point is invalid.

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A little OMGUS from ODDin, I see.

Why do you think tunneling is such a huge scumtell?

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I've seen Chrono lurk to victory as scum before.

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Ohohoho. I do.

But I wouldn't really say I was lurking, would you?

What a clever little rhyme

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I know, it was pretty weak. I'm embarrassed about that.

BUT STILL:

where in the fuck is Chaos?

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I totally agree. I don't like lynching someone out of the active players (probably because 2 of my biggest scum readings are lurking the fuck out of this game)

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Chronopie

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@ODDin:

Yes.

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Chaos and chrono? Good question. I'll have to reread their interactions.

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@Mod: Please replace me. A lot of things have been happening recently in RL and I have to cut some games. This, unfortunately, has to be one of them.