Open 209: The Invasion of Liten (Game Over)
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First of all, hey Pulindar.
Its more of an RVS bandwagon, so I would say no, but neither bandwagon does. Its foundation, in essence, is not built until after we get the info we need out of it.
Go for it. If I have to be lynched to expose scum or scavenge for information, or if I have to come dangerously close, fine. There's a lot more of us than them so we're a little bit more expendable.
Comparing the bandwagons is pointless until we've gathered some information on both of them. They will both serve a useful purpose, I'm sure. I agree that competing bandwagons are town's Excalibur against the scum.
As for you: do you think your bandwagon has any foundation?
And for SFG: by what other means do you enjoy gathering information?-
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That was quite frustrating -_-Pulindar wrote:
Actually, I have changed my policy to ask for a replacement if someone claims scum. It goes against their win objective no matter what.Nikanor wrote:Well, no. I mean, you could have CLAIMED scum.
In another game I'm in, a cop claimed scum, was lynched, and well, flipped cop. It was quite disconcerting. I mean, I seriously will never play with that player again because of that action. I'll quit a game rather than play with him. But still, claiming scum is just someone who should ask the mod to replace them out.
Im still happy with where my vote is tbh. Not very happy with the Nic bandwagon.-
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Day is a a necessary evil....Like squeezing your dogs anal glands when they ruin your carpet. On to Reads, yea yeah:
Oh and ty Pulindar, you're quite a hoot to play with too (get it, the owl avatar? HAHA)
These are just as much my notes for me as they are my thoughts for you. Some of these are less thought out than others, but I wanted to try to get everyone to comment on at least some aspect of their play so far so we can go from there.
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Can't name partners because not enough people (me included) are contributing enough.
@SFG: Why would you out that you're going to take the vote off? Why not just do it when it happens and check for reactions?
@Max: I know your votes not on anyone, which btw I find suspicious despite your argument, I would like for you to answer your own questions based on your FoSs.
I would agree with Crypto about a possible SFG SPS scumpair. Post 282 gives me bad vibes, but that might be a null tell considering Crypto has been semilurking and he might just be curious.
@Crypto: If one of them pops town, then that means you have other suspicions than just connections. Care to share them?
@Pulindar: How do you feel about the two people who have their votes on you? Would you be okay with a Sniper lynch?-
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Nic you're avoiding the question. Just sayin I rubbed you the wrong way isnt very great, and connecting me with someone else based on the same behavior is terrible.
I identified three possible scum. I dont know how thats leaving outs. Your attack on me however, makes me think you aren't necessarily scummy. There are much easier targets to go after, and sinced you know I'm a vigorous debater from past experiences, you either are really trying hard to blend in less or you really are giving your honest opinion.
That being said, every game I've been in usually winds up being a policy lynch D1 due to on Village Idiot, but as you know from another game keeping them around for D2 so they can fake claim doc as townie...cough...is more troublesome for town anyway. This being said, I willvote sniper to L-1
L1. L1. L1.
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That was an inside joke between me and Nic from a newbie game we played. Point is, the VI is a day 1 must.
Really, you must calm down. Evidently you've never played a good game of maf. Actually, maybe you have, idk. Catering to this town's needs is on my top priority list. Today's lynch should be one that outs the biggest threat to town, whether it be of scum, or terrible townie.-
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Additional questions:
Max, since you're so rash and not afraid to make quick claims, who would you lynch today if you had to?
Sanhora, are you still alive?
Sniper, you seem to talk like you've played in other more complex setups. Is this a good assumption?
Haylen, throw me a bone and out your thoughts, on like, anything.
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I don't like the humor replacing a legitimate answer to a good question. It shows nervousness to me, although I can't rightfully justify that over the internet. Generally though, people use humor as a tool to lighten the mood. When pressure is put on us and we want to relieve it but we don't know how, sometimes we make a sheepish joke (admit it, we've all done it). Anyway, I just don't like the humorous response.
I think that one of Aldukkel or Max is probably scum based on the stances they've taken against each other and with different players. Or they might be one of each, but such large assumptions are not justifiable at this time.
Right now I'm leaning towards Nic as one of the scum. Aduskel or Max as another or two others. Last scum are probably hiding in our lurkers somewhere.-
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Current Reads on People
Its that time again people. I like to do these a lot so whenever the time comes when I must depart you can come back and reference my notes at the time, and hopefully come up with something. So here we go for Slaxx's annual Reads+Questions extravaganza. All post references are in ISO unless stated otherwise.
Post 1: Bandwagon and RQS answering. Nothing wrong here.
Post 2: L-2 Bandwagons are awesome, and thanks for the Meta. I like his comment to Nik about giving away how he reads people. At first I was going to say I didn't agree with the Pulindar buddying hypothesis, but looking back I think I do now. However, I will attest to the fact that's how Pulindar played in our last game, in which he was town. So we'll see. Everything else here seems like legit scumhunting.
Post 3: Yes, agreed. I like this vote.
Post 4: Yes, agreed again. I like the straightforwardness. In fact, I think I might be on to something here. We'll go into it later.
Post 5: Agreeing with me is always good. /joke. Idk what I said, I only have the ISO pulled up.
Post 6: AHA. Another defense of Sniper from Nik. We might be on to something here. Sorry, had to look up who said it and saw who it was. Alduskell had done way more than lurker hunting to his point and was simply pressuring Sniper, or I'm assuming. Once again Nik is getting testy when pressure is placed on Sniper.
Post 7: Good Q and A's here.
Post 8: Agree
Post 9: Jumps on me about the policy lynch, but I see why. Might have came on a little strong, but I don't think he's defending Sniper, although I suppose its possible if the vote earlier in the game might have been a bus. Keeping my eye out, especially since he said lurker hunting was not a bad thing a few posts earlier.
Post 10 and 11: Yeah I can't spell. Wanna fight about it?
Overall Read:Only scummy thing I can find is the contradiction between the policy lynch on Sniper and the comment about hunting lurkers. I guess I just want an explanation on the difference from his point of view.[/area]
Post 1: Why even vote twice...
Post 6: Votes without a reason...
Post 8: ...And then explains its because the voter didn't give a reason.
Post 7: Pressuring lurkers is awesome play, lynching them is whats not.
Post 12: Good, we're getting some where.
Post 13: Good again.
Post 15: Probably about the 5th of his filler posts so far.
Post 17: Why?
Post 19: You're getting on my nerves now.
Post 22: Why?
Post 31: Like you did with Sniper? (Lack of content on Haylen, trying to shame Pulindar)
Post 32: Why.
Post 37 and 38: Wow, afraid of a bandwagon much?
Post 51: Where the hell did that come from?
Post 56: You're only giving good cases when asked. Meaning you probably didn't have one in the first place, meaning you probably aren't trying to hard to scumhunt.
Overall Read:Not. Good. If Nic manages to dig himself out of the hole he's in, my vote goes to you. Filler posts, faulty reasoning, no reasoning, and roundabouting questions is just a little too much. You're public enemy #1 and the only reason I'm not all over you with my vote is the fact I want pressure on Nic.[/area]
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Next two are horrordude/Fuzzy and Haylen. Not even going to touch on horrodude for he didn't contribute much anyway.
Post 0: Lawl.
Post 1: I'm feeling the scum reads, but not the town reads. I'm not really all for outting who I absolutely trust but instead like to keep scum guessing.
Post 2: Good reads radiating from these comments.
Post 3: Explained my reasoning for that, but I like that she's paying attention. Sentiments on sniper are good enough for me and seem protown.
Post 4: Are we separated at birth? Yeah, I'm up for any of those tbqh.
Post 5: Oh, we're not. This is where we debate.
The Rest: Sniper isn't for sure town so I wouldn't say he is. Other than that I don't have much of a read on you besides good, but you haven't really been questioned too much besides what I did so we'll see. No one gets a free ride in Liten as long as I'm alive.[/area]
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Your posts are so sporadic I can't tell if this is just you or if you're trying very hard to remain unreadable. You're first few posts about being fine with a bandwagon on you make me all happy inside, but your active lurking and off the wall comments make me think i am being misled. I kind of want to lynch you. However there are better candidates. If I was cop you would sooooo be my investigation.-
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Next up are Max, Nic, and Nik. Three letter words are win, kthx.
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Post 0: Not a very good 1st post. It even lacks a vote. Oh wait. Thats how you play.
Post 1: I hate when people only give good cases when they're asked. Its like they're waiting for others to make them so they don't have to risk there neck making opinions. I don't like how he asks for who Nico's partner is. Does he feel in danger of something?
Post 5: Logical thought here.
Post 11: Interesting vote, at least you're going out on a limb here. I don't think you've got the right guy, but who knows.
Overall Read:Scummy to the supremo. Possible partner is Nic, they've done a good job not really talking to each other while both independently being pretty scummy. The part where he fishes for a possible scumpartner is what makes me think this is one possible combo. They're acting scummy enough to be on two different mafia sides though, so whatever. Another person my vote might go to in the future.
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Post 1: Screw you man. jk jk.
Post 3: I got such a good read off of this...oh how the times change
Post 6: Like his read on Nik. His case on me doesn't make sense. The other two are attacking lurkers. Yeah, I said pressuring lurkers is fine, but just putting them in your scum reads isn't a very good strategy. Just saying something is 'off' isn't a case. It's a gut read. Say it as a gut read instead of trying to make a case out of it.
Post 7: Doesn't seem to be putting effort into his cases. I know Nic better than this, although that means nothing to you guys.
Post 8: Look at his answers. He basically didn't answer why. I found them suspicious...You left yourself outs...I know he acknowledged that we weren't strong reads, but these aren't the reactions I was hoping for.
Post 10: Furry got neg reads for that, and I think my actions were null at best. You're becoming wishy washy.
Overall Read: I think he is scum, but I didn't see any good Max connections. Still going with my gut though. Wishy washy attitude, active lurking, and slight apathetic mood indicates a more nullish read, but there's so much of it coupled with very little protown behavior I think we might be on to something. Increased pressure might be needed in order to obtain a better read.
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Post 3: A RV.
Post 6: Jumps on a bandwagon. Null tell.
Post 7: Why?
Post 8: Good point. You're paying attention.
Post 13: Once again, I liked this about Nic, and so did the target of his suspicion. Obviously it was there for the exact purpose it served. Way to try to fling mud so early though.
Post 18: Seems to be instigating here. I don't like either side of this argument any more.
Overall Read: Not a big fan. A lot of filler posts, a lot of humor, which I said I don't like but is a null tell regardless, jumpy defense of a very suspicious player. If Nic clears out I think competing bandwagons on Nik and Max would be amazing for town.-
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Alduskkel wrote: Is that all I'm going to do? Probably not. Hunting lurkers is a pretty good idea though IMO.
They are different indeed, but I just want to know why hunting lurkers is any better than policy lynching.Alduskkel wrote: It sounds like you just want to policy lynch Sniper actually. Not a very good L-1 vote.
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And i am not in any of your intense scenes. Just tell me now if I'm too ugly to star in your movie. I'll be fine....maybe.
Ok, I really need to be keeping track of who has appeared in a flavor scene and who hasn't...I promise you though, you'll make the next one!-
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You like policy lynches, but it was too early, is what you're saying? Because "lynch them solely for bad play" is a policy lynch, unless I'm misunderstood.Alduskkel wrote:
I have no problem with policy lynches. But, it bothers me if someone is putting another person at L-1 this early in the game and they just seem to want to lynch them solely for bad play.Slaxx wrote:Alduskkel wrote:Is that all I'm going to do? Probably not. Hunting lurkers is a pretty good idea though IMO.
They are different indeed, but I just want to know why hunting lurkers is any better than policy lynching.Alduskkel wrote:It sounds like you just want to policy lynch Sniper actually. Not a very good L-1 vote.-
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Post 0: Wagons are good.
Post 3: Competing bandwagons are better.Both Nik and Pulindar pointlessly put votes and unvotes in their post. Noted.
Post 4: Gave up kind of easy on the question.
Post 5: Someone said since Pulindar explaining the reason for bandwagoning made him more townie. Telling people how to play town isn't a town read. I'll have to go back and check.
Post 7: Protown vibes here. Until we get to talking about Nika. those answers weren't that great.
Lots of game and meta discussion...
Post 13: Calls out San. I agree with Pulindar on this.
Post 16: No basis for Haylen's post liking.
Post 17: I want to be readable today =/
Overall Read: The rests of the post seem pretty good to me. I'm getting okay vibes, I just don't like the buddying with Nik, as Al said. Quite frankly, Pulindar is a very friendly person as town during the game we played so I can't interpret this well yet.[/area]
Post 0: Will get to things right away...
Post 1: I agree with everything here really, except for the Puli thing. At first I thought Nico was town, especially at that time, but I'm pretty sure he's scum after things have panned out. Looking forward to the replacement.[/area]
Post 2: Lurker pressuring is okay. It isn't like it was a hammer or anything. This is how you get them to talk.
Post 4: I like her consistency between this and unvoting after I put Sniper at L-1.
Post 13: At that time, I agreed with most of this if I recall. I like the comment about SPS's tunneling. I like the comment about my lack of posting.
Post 32: Heck yes.
Post 38: Why is everyone giving Haylen the BOTD?
Post 39: Some say its a null tell, I like it. Consistent with Post 4.
Post 44: Get well soon. I think I would get some good insight from you on my reads.
Overall Read: No red flags for now.[/area]-
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KK Nic, I wanted to make sure of the order of posts before I went all crazy with doubt. Pulindar set that up on purpose, and Nic's commenting to it was exactly what he wanted. I think you made a bigger case out of it then what it was. However, his reaction to it was the first rock in my now avalanche of suspicion against him, but I doubt you were trying to instigate him rather than just target somebody. Does this explain okay?-
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BTW Nik, my main suspicion on sniper is that he's played in more complex setups but seems less experienced. I'm just wary of people playing noob card and sliding into day whatever. I tried to get him to talk at L-1 but there was nothing. I just don't like how quick you are to defend him, nor do I like how quick Furry was to defend him, as I made clear. Pulindar defending Haylen and kind of palling up with you just makes me think. Pulindar is very friendly though, like I said, so I'm not for sure.-
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Okay, I'm prolly going to answer one or two at a time, because I'm like that. I think people read it more if they're shorter.
I wasn't a fan of the Nic bandwagon for the same reason I explained to Nik about the joke. A random wagon is awesome, but one for a player analyzing something made me wonder. What did you think of Nic's action at the time? I thought he was just reading carefully, I found nothing wrong with it, especially with Pulindar's explanation. Summary= Random Wagon> Bad Reasoned Wagon.
I think Sniper has a good chance of being scum, especially at that time. But I put the L-1 vote there to try to fish some reactions out of people and get him to talk. I know it makes me look bad but I'm not too worried really. Plus the town was dying of activity and forcing a bandwagon on someone else in its current state would have been fairly difficult.
10 posts ago was a long time. You have to remember, Max starts with an M. I had read a lot of other player's ISO's before him (i was going in alpha order) and by then I was pretty sure it was either opposite scum teams or 1 town 1 scum. When I read over Max's ISO, he struck me as more scummy than Al.-
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