Open 211: Tit for Tat v.2 -- Game Over!

[Looker]

confirm

[Looker]

Doesn't matter this time around, Flint; I'm not scum.

[Looker]

OoOoOo, you're in trouble Dizzy.

FoS: DIZZYIZZY!

[Looker]

@Looker:

Why is Dizzy in trouble?

Because I said so. If you keep questioning my authority, you're going to be in trouble, too, mister.

@Looker: you are mean. And you know that even when my role pm says you are scum, I think you are town!

Why am I always mean to you? Is there something about me that you're noticing that you're just not telling me, because I don't wanna be mean. If anything, I'd like for you to like me - I'm not that bad of a guy...err...gal. Depends on whether the game is even or odd...

[Looker]

Vote: Looker

Only room for one sexy bitch in this thread!

Yeah...well good luck with that. ( )

Looker, I didn't do it on purpose. And I'm still ashamed of it.

and you are a boy, right?

And kiku, I'm no bitch, please don't vote me!

Yeah, I'm sorry, but telling you that would ruin the psychological effects I notice when playing as either gender. I

can

tell you that I'm not

trans

gendered, though. I'm one or the other.

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vote leafsnail

You're as good a choice as any.

[Looker]

I'm going to kill you. Once you pop, we'll know what role you are. Nuff said.

[Looker]

So you're not taking me seriously then. Okay.

[Looker]

I answered it with as serious an answer as possible. Are you done reaching or would you rather we delve deeper into meaningless detail?

[Looker]

I answered it with as serious an answer as possible. Are you done reaching or would you rather we delve deeper into meaningless detail?

The first part isn't true.

How so

As for the second - well, what would you prefer us to discuss?

Are you insinuating that my intentions are to manipulate the conversation? Tryin'a paint me as a tyrant? As a mafia godfather? As a goon?!

Aaah, I don't care what you discuss.

Why do you dislike being questioned?

Is that a trick question or an accusation...? Well, it's a lie either way so whatever!

[Looker]

vote: Flinter

Last game with him he accidentally didn't read his role PM. And still ended up beating me.

I'm a she.

And I had read it, I just forgot. And it showed that I'm a bit inexperienced as town, as I couldn't find any scum, so it proved pretty well I'm am not such a good player.

But that doesn't stop me from having fun!

You prolly couldn't find scum cuz u

were

scum. Kinda like Leaf and Slaxx...except for the fact they

are

scum as opposed to were, which can't necessarily be denied either so they're definitely the lynch for today.

[Looker]

BTW, what's your favorite color? Or...do you have a favourite colour...?

[Looker]

*Yawn*

So is it Leaf or Looker?

It's Leaf, chica, jump onboard.

(I've been meaning to ask you, though. Why would you want to eliminate all sexy bitches right off bat? Was that WIFOM or something?)

[Looker]

MR. MOD: V/LA FOR ZE NEXT TREE DAYZ ('TIL ZE 17TH)

Okee dokes.

[Looker]

*Yawn*

So is it Leaf or Looker?

On second thought, this is a horrible question.

unvote
vote flinter

[Looker]

You're right, Wolf.

unvote
vote leafsnail

[Looker]

And Budja's gone again

[Looker]

Sorry for pulling such "stupid bullshit", but I didn't buy this random name generator for nuthin.

unvote
vote kyle99

[Looker]

Happy Scumday, Dizzy.

[Looker]

unvote
vote Leafsnail

Okay, I'm done stalling. Good job, Dr. Who, catching up and posting your opinions - good on you.

(@Kiku: My random name generator says we should vote Leafsnail) <-Joke

I can't see anyone scummier than him, not as if there's a whole lot to choose from. Don't get me wrong, if anyone has any alternatives, let me know, but right now I think Leafsnail's the way to go.

[Looker]

I can't see anyone scummier than him, not as if there's a whole lot to choose from. Don't get me wrong, if anyone has any alternatives, let me know, but right now I think Leafsnail's the way to go.

Try a mirror.

Try a-gain.

[Looker]

unvote
vote Leafsnail

Okay, I'm done stalling. Good job, Dr. Who, catching up and posting your opinions - good on you.

(@Kiku: My random name generator says we should vote Leafsnail) <-Joke

I can't see anyone scummier than him, not as if there's a whole lot to choose from. Don't get me wrong, if anyone has any alternatives, let me know, but right now I think Leafsnail's the way to go.

Thank you for claiming scum, makes everything much easier for us.

Unvote Vote Looker

I claimed scum?

@DrWho: I can somewhat understand policy lynching nuisances, but what exactly did you read of importance in the last few pages?

[Looker]

@Leafsnail: I'mma be perfectly honest with you. I'm actually not this useless usually, but I tried a different approach to this game to see how it would work in the future and it sucks. I'm trying different approaches in several different games as of right now and this is by far the worst.

Sorry, town, not trying to cause a mislynch, but I went about this game all wrong.

[Looker]

I didn't see any misrepping.

[Looker]

will be posting a bit later on tonight unless I can get to it earlier, catching up on some games today.

Prodding wolframnhart.

[Looker]

Sorry Paltry but I am going to need a replacement it seems, I have a good amount of catching up to do in my other games and my work schedule is not going to get better anytime soon. =/

Okee dokes. Thanks for letting me know.

d(u.u)b Well, I guess I'll just wait for the replacement then

[Looker]

I asked flinter a rather direct question which they avoided.

I think I know what question you mean. First you asked for a concise case, and when I gave that to you, you wanted every point with prove etc, while this was already in the thread. You claimed this was so wolf could reply (which he already did to my points). I'm a good person, but I'm not crazy.

hey, wait, I like a concise case, 3 points at least, from you, and then I'd like proof and arguments so that person can react. Please?

On this moment, the Looker wagon is quite terrible. Leaf's isn't much better.

I don't think you're going to get that case.

Edited for color reasons. Looker, try not to use blue.

[Looker]

Lol, Kiku would

destroy

you. See how quickly she turned on me? She's opportunistic...or scum. Either way

[Looker]

I choose "oppurtunistic". And yes, I

would

kill you. And yes, I'd love to vote the1fifi.

Unvote

But I'm busy atm.

Vote: Dizzy

Asking town to come to a consensus with enough time to spare before a deadline in order to obtain and then discuss(if need be) a claim is not "rushing" anything. If at any point you would like to start participating, feel free.

Hope you're ready for the RL excuse

[Looker]

I choose "oppurtunistic". And yes, I

would

kill you. And yes, I'd love to vote the1fifi.

Unvote

But I'm busy atm.

Vote: Dizzy

Asking town to come to a consensus with enough time to spare before a deadline in order to obtain and then discuss(if need be) a claim is not "rushing" anything. If at any point you would like to start participating, feel free.

But you

are

rushing. We have plenty of time until the deadline without forcing ourselves to take up an improperly thought-through lynch, plus the possibility of extra time being granted due to replacements. Forcing the game to come to a conclusion is anti-town behaviour. Encourage debate, express your suspicions in a way that actually persuades people. Don't try and compell the town to act against their own interest.

I disagree. I think it's actually more pro-town to begin discussing now as opposed to later. The town's best interest would be to think, so let's begin.

But you

are

rushing. We have plenty of time until the deadline without forcing ourselves to take up an improperly thought-through lynch, plus the possibility of extra time being granted due to replacements. Forcing the game to come to a conclusion is anti-town behaviour. Encourage debate, express your suspicions in a way that actually persuades people. Don't try and compell the town to act against their own interest.

WoW. Another post which lacks any scumhunting or worthwhile contribution. Well done.

She has a point.

[Looker]

Thinking is not the same as preemptively deciding who to lynch and rushing teh game to come to a conclusion. Thinking is good. Rushing to decisions, not so much.

Preemptive to whom, Dizzy? The last-minute wagon you're going to push at deadline?

I'm still seeing no reason we can't decide on a lynch and have them rebut their case while there's still time for them to do so. That's a nice word, though. "Preemptive".

But you

are

rushing. We have plenty of time until the deadline without forcing ourselves to take up an improperly thought-through lynch, plus the possibility of extra time being granted due to replacements. Forcing the game to come to a conclusion is anti-town behaviour. Encourage debate, express your suspicions in a way that actually persuades people. Don't try and compell the town to act against their own interest.

WoW. Another post which lacks any scumhunting or worthwhile contribution. Well done.

She has a point.

I'd say her response is proof that she's wrong.

So you're saying that last bit didn't seem like Appeal to Emotion (AtE) to you?

[Looker]

Oh, sorry for not posting for a while. I felt slightly disheartened about this game.

Anyway, one thing I've noticed is DizzyIzzyB13's strange aversion to getting discussion rolling now. It looks sortof like she's hoping for an inactivity death before deadline, or to be able to rush a lynch beforehand. She really hasn't been doing much other than defending herself, pretending to scumhunt (very little) and telling us why we shouldn't be trying to find scum. And this didn't really come until after some pressure was applied to her.

Vote: DizzyIzzyB13

It doesn't pay to get disheartened; we have to stick it out, especially when you're right about Dizzy.

[Looker]

I'm not trying to paint what Dizzy is saying as "let's all delay our discussion for a rushed lynch". What I'm saying is that that seems to be her underlying intention.

Basically, if she is attempting to get discussion going and avoid a rushed lynch, she should be scumhunting. She should be asking questions, she should at the very least be stating her suspicions. Put Dizzy in ISO and ask yourself which of her 13 posts could actually be called scumhunting.

I would say 2, 7 and MAYBE 3 (although that is extremely debatable). Other than the normal confirm and RV, she has 3 posts in a row apologising for lack of activity (4, 5, 6) and SIX posts about the deadline (8-13). Half of her ingame posts have been about the deadline, and she has made twice as many posts about it as she has made about finding scum. If no scumhunting is going on, the only thing that extra time is going to do is make the town die due to inactivity.

Dizzy has NO suspicions. She made a small (neutral) comment on fifi, repeating herself on Looker and another (pretty neutral) comment on Kiku. This was 3 days ago, and she has not followed up any of these suspicions.

So, for killing discussion, she has moved a large part of the town's effort from scumhunting to discussing when the deadline is. I cannot see why Dizzy would want a deadline extension other than to look town - it's not like she's used the time we have had so far for much.

I agree with you.

[Looker]

Besides, Dizzy is way overdue for some proper scrutiny. She has done nothing over the past 12 days and has gotten away scot free so far.

Which is why I'm curious as to why the only argument in defense of her is "She's not trying to rush a lynch or stifle discussion". If she's so town, where has she been and why hasn't she been contributing? And how does any suspicion thrown her way automatically make the suspecter scum?

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A shoddy chainsaw defense?

[Looker]

unvote leafsnail
vote kikuchiyo

[Looker]

I don't want my vote on Leafsnail and find it'd be too ironic if Dizzy were quick-lynched. Kikuchiyo it is.

[Looker]

This game is spiraling. We are at 300+ posts. and its still day 1. All the talk about taking our time is wonderful, but we do need to move forward. I don't see any reason to stall a Dizzy wagon, and yet we have people doing it. Not sure why Looker isn't on board, but I'm going to lose interest if this keeps up.

The1fifi and Peanutman are lurking as well. I'd at least like a comment before we proceed.

[Looker]

MOD: Has The1fifi reached prod territory?

And, for future reference, don't use "This stage of the game" arguments against me. I don't care. Especially if your vote's already on me [for asinine reasons]. Thinking you can discern someone's secret by reading what they type on the internet is a stretch to begin with, so please don't blow my high.

Mod says...

Replacing: The1fifi

So... maybe?

[Looker]

YAH! So that means I get to wait for a replacement.

And how would I've replied to something I didn't read...? Hmmm.... I am cool tho.

[Looker]

I have some family issues, and I've fallen a bit behind. I need to catch up before I can post anything useful at the moment. Sorry. Hopefully, this will be tonight, but I make no promises.

Do what you can as fast as you can.

And there we go with RL excuses for lack of participation. Not trying to be confrontational and I'm not saying Dizzy is lieing, but the behavior pattern only benefits scum. Please replace if you don't have time to play.

Yeah, because you're making me look really scummy.

[Looker]

Accusations of unoriginality? Ouch.

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Dizzy: You obviously have the time to stay current. Replace out or die. Should be an easy choice for a townie.

I have to say I agree. Kikuchiyo, Dizzy, and I are the three main players in this game and the burden's going to be on Kiku and I if you don't post, Dizzy.

[Looker]

I don't see how this game could get anywhere without Dizzy.

[Looker]

ICEninja: Kiku's scummier. I'm pretty sure that's why I'm voting her.

[Looker]

Damn. Alright, for the record, the formula doesn't work unless you actually appear to be scumhunting. Sorry for making you guinea pigs, but I had to do it somewhere.

[Looker]

You gotta admit, tho, I got pretty far. 15 pages in without actually doing anything and the only reason I got lynched was because I deliberately ignored posts against me and posted foolishness when I did post. Once again, tho, sorry, because now I'm leaving a horrible taste in your mouth.

[Looker]

Triple-post before lynch:

@JMJ: Nice

[Looker]

Shit, I thought that was a lynch. Now I have to go back and draw up a case. I'll be back later and my next post'll be content if I'm not already dead. Damn.

[Looker]

No, I didn't. I admitted to being purposely anti-town, which speaks nothing of my alignment, which is town; I'm the Backup Jailkeeper. And Kiku

is

scum, seeing as she's done nothing but wagon and express resonating sentiments the whole game. Not to say that she sucks or anything, only stating that she's done the same as me, but just better, capitalizing off of Dizzy's absence just like me, but better.

[Looker]

unvote
vote Looker

Sorry, Dizzy