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I got better.JDodge 18 wrote:
I remember when you were but a little orphan child, wandering the streets for pennies for bread.Vi wrote:
*checks your join date*HowardRoark wrote:Is this new guy allowed to play with this clique?
Newb Card, AtE, IGMEOY, WIFOM WIFOM, over--
Incidentally, I was invited to scumchat once (a long time ago). As you can tell, I didn't show. Your thoughts?
We're lynching you. Discuss.Xdaamno 19 wrote:/checks inEverything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Don't ask me; I'm not in the scumchat clique.HowardRoark 22 wrote:
Okay, you got me. GG all. Can I join the clique now?Vi (17) wrote:*checks your join date*
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for whomXdaamno 21 wrote:That's unfortunate.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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You don't need to have played with Xdaamno before to vote him now. (I haven't played with X before.)HowardRoark 55 wrote:vote populartajo
The only one in this player list that I've played with before. Therefore, he must die so that I can have more time to get to know the others.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Wait, so it's more difficult for scum to respond to aXdaamno 60 wrote:I assumed you realised how difficult it is to answer those questions without looking scummy, so I thought the best strategy was to run through several layers of town thought (which would be harder for me to do as scum.)generic and mostly reasonlesslynch threat? Never mind that you just said--Xd 61 wrote:I've played a couple of mafia games before.
*reads between the lines*Xd 61 wrote:(Yeah, I realised you were scumhunting. I don't think that's a scum tell, I've played a couple of mafia games before.)
So am I more likely Town, or scum?~
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You are clear. You said you had to artificially project yourself through several layers of a Town mindset in order to determine aXdaamno 67 wrote:What? Are you misunderstanding me on purpose? I thought that was pretty clear. It's harder for scum to think like a town player would than a town player, and noticeably so when they're both thinking things through a few 'layers' of thought.correctresponse.
At this stage in the game, there is effectively nothing stopping you from responding in the same way as Town or scum except sheer psychological pressure, which I would not expect to come into play considering you have "played a few games before".
In plain English, you're making excuses for yourself in attempting to look Town.
You didn't answer the question. (It was separate from the snide remark before it; sorry if that wasn't clear.)Xd 67 wrote:
I don't get this either. If you want to read into that, if anything, I was criticizing your scum hunting, not calling you scum. Yes, of course, I'm scumhunting you too at the same time.Vi wrote:Xd 61 wrote:I've played a couple of mafia games before.
*reads between the lines*Xd 61 wrote:(Yeah, I realised you were scumhunting. I don't think that's a scum tell, I've played a couple of mafia games before.)
So am I more likely Town, or scum?~
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No, it's not a silly question. It's me unsuccessfully attempting to get you to take your second stance of the game (the first being "don't lynch me").Xdaamno 70 wrote:Oh, I didn't realise that was a question.Most likely town. Are you trying to test my ability to take statistics into account?If you didn't realise that's a silly question otherwise, then once again I don't want to argue with you like this. That is, with logic.
You say you are/were trying to scumhunt me, and the best you can do is say that I'm most likely Town based on there being more Townies in the game?
I agree, I'm done with this argument.
Confirm Vote: Xdaamno
(btw, a silly question would be "Who are these stupid people you were referring to?")
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Hai!populartajo 85 wrote:Not the typical way of starting the game, although I expected something like this happening with someone.
Which leans toward scummy in itself.tajo 85 wrote:Daamo's answers are meh, not remarkably scummy or townie.
I like Hyl's post/vote, and not just because it's on our favorite perennial scum candidate.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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This is the poor stuff. I save the goods for special occasions.JDodge 88 wrote:
Is the weed you're on good or is it just some ditch weed?Vi wrote:I like Hyl's post/vote, and not just because it's on our favorite perennial scum candidate.
Really though, it's like VPB is going in circles around the elephant in the room.
I will concede that right now the historians are difficult to read because there are too many of them to be scum. But that's okay, because I've already found scum *huggles vote*Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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I don't suppose you have a target in mind for who's scum, do you?Otto Ulbreicht 109 wrote:vote: vi
...I feel Xdaamno needs some support, not more votes.
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Only when i see more posts or good explanations from other players will i consider changing my vote.
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I find that strange, considering your resistance to changing your vote from the person most associated with attacking Xdaamno.Otto Ulbreicht 111 wrote:I don't have a definite idea no, but then again we are only 5 pages in. I wish I were that good though lol.
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EBWOP: If your vote on me is more for the short-name factor than for the unspoken Xdefensemno, then you're saying that the best you can do for finding scum after one hundred posts is a random vote, which means you don't have enough of an opinion on anyone to put down a reasoned vote... which I would find as suspect, as each player has offered a response to the Xdaamno wagon along with their reasoning.-
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I used to play like that. It's great for surviving, but beyond terrible for finding scum. (So it worked to great effect when I was scum in Tofu Mafia.)Xdaamno 119 wrote:
What, about me? That's usually because I'm much more careful about saying anything wrong and more willing to put myself in other people's shoes. Less posts end up passing the litmus test.Vi wrote:I will concede that votes in my direction get my attention, and that particular vote combined with the rest of the post seemed too coincidental to pass up mentioning.
However, as I mentioned in the EBWOP, Otto - like you - has gingerly stepped around saying anything at all.
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You got it the first time, although afterward I realized that we were talking about two different kinds of transparency.Qooq 130 wrote:
Could you clarify what you mean by lying, Vi?Xdaamno wrote:
Stop trolling.Vi wrote:
Promising suboptimal play and lying in the same sentence doesn't become you.Xdaamno 122 wrote:This isn't optimal play - I'm just being transparent.Do you think he isn't being transparent so it is a lie, or purposefully acting transparent is in and of itself a lie? Or something else?
I don't really care if you tell me exactly how you're going to play; I care that it's obvious that you're Town or scum. In a game like this, which is more or less guaranteed to have no power roles, there's no benefit to deliberately acting scummy.
Further, Mafia isnot a game of logicand it is scummy to try to frame it as one.
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@Izzy: NOW I see what you're seeing... but I'm not sure where you're going with it. Yes, the statement doesn't belong in this game, but would scum be more likely to say that?
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I'm curious. Could you list the vets vs. the newer people, quickly? (Hint: Otto U. is an alt)Cat 137 wrote:Also, the collision of veterans and newer people makes this game slightly more difficult.
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@Hyl: Is VP Baltar the scummiest (most likely to be scum) person in the game? Who is the second-scummiest?Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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What about Otto?Hyl 142 wrote:If I had to lynch someone other than VBP it would Izzy, only because I'm the least fond of her play-style.
Why are you leaning Town on Xd?
Give scum the chance to sufficiently explain themselves, and they will do so to the maximum extent they can reach without obviously throwing out WIFOM.Hyl 142 wrote:
Elaborate please.Vi wrote:Further, Mafia is not a game of logic and it is scummy to try to frame it as one.
The game then decides who is best at making excuses, not finding scum.
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There is no dilemma of "make a random vote" and "vote Xdaamno", and the case for at least two people on Xd is not "meta".Otto Ulbreicht 153 wrote:(...)to be honest I don't see that great of a case on Xdammno. I don't wish to be opportunistic and just come straight out of the gate with another vote on him. I need to see some definite cases before I make that move. Meta just doesn't cut it.
Incidentally, you appear to be caught up now. Any thoughts?
Not relevant to this game at all.O. U. 159 wrote:I have to disagree with this. I have won quite a few mafia games in the endgame stage using just pure logic. Having the right amount of knowledge of roles and plotting out all of the possible scenarios helps narrow down stupid decisions considerably.
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Overreact much? Nowhere at all did I say anything about lynching or even voting Xdaamno, I just don't feel he's worth defending if he constantly has to go back and explain what he meant or reword his statements because he is afraid of them looking scummy. It doesn't mean that my vote is just magically gonna go on him, I still don't think he's scum as of yet, but I'm curious to why you felt the sudden need to attack me, becasue the above quote doesn't cut it as it isn't accurate.VP Baltar wrote:I'll do it for you. No way an experienced scumhunter should be looking at playstyle and semantics as legitimate reasons for a lynch.
Unvote, Vote: Otto
I simply made an offhand comment stating that I'm noting that he stumbles on what he means to say alot. I have no idea if this is normal, so I asked him.
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and if this were a particularly complicated game or if last week was exam week too or if it looked like you were pressed for time at all i would feel maybe a little sympatheticOtto Ulbreicht 194 wrote:
Apologies if you feel that way. I'm currently in exam week so my efforts are not as great as they would be otherwise.Vi wrote:
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Overreact much? Nowhere at all did I say anything about lynching or even voting Xdaamno, I just don't feel he's worth defending if he constantly has to go back and explain what he meant or reword his statements because he is afraid of them looking scummy. It doesn't mean that my vote is just magically gonna go on him, I still don't think he's scum as of yet, but I'm curious to why you felt the sudden need to attack me, becasue the above quote doesn't cut it as it isn't accurate.VP Baltar wrote:I'll do it for you. No way an experienced scumhunter should be looking at playstyle and semantics as legitimate reasons for a lynch.
Unvote, Vote: Otto
I simply made an offhand comment stating that I'm noting that he stumbles on what he means to say alot. I have no idea if this is normal, so I asked him.
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Briefly, but you also weren't scumhunting before so it doesn't seem relevant.Otto Ulbreicht wrote:
This vote baffles me. Ever consider maybe I have an exam in the next couple of hours?Vi wrote:
and if this were a particularly complicated game or if last week was exam week too or if it looked like you were pressed for time at all i would feel maybe a little sympatheticOtto Ulbreicht 194 wrote:
Apologies if you feel that way. I'm currently in exam week so my efforts are not as great as they would be otherwise.Vi wrote:
you'reOtto Ulbreicht 191 wrote:
Overreact much? Nowhere at all did I say anything about lynching or even voting Xdaamno, I just don't feel he's worth defending if he constantly has to go back and explain what he meant or reword his statements because he is afraid of them looking scummy. It doesn't mean that my vote is just magically gonna go on him, I still don't think he's scum as of yet, but I'm curious to why you felt the sudden need to attack me, becasue the above quote doesn't cut it as it isn't accurate.VP Baltar wrote:I'll do it for you. No way an experienced scumhunter should be looking at playstyle and semantics as legitimate reasons for a lynch.
Unvote, Vote: Otto
I simply made an offhand comment stating that I'm noting that he stumbles on what he means to say alot. I have no idea if this is normal, so I asked him.
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If this is actually the case, I agree.Otto Ulbreicht 204 wrote:For now I need to put more priority on this exam.
If the exam is so concerning, I think there are a few better ways to prepare for it than arguing over the Internet.
We'll be here when you get back.
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He/we don't need to convince you. Three people have seen it for themselves without a formal case; the others may agree similarly.saberwolf 211 wrote:????
I'm asking you to show HOW they are worse and worse, not just say they are.
Since everyone here except Otto is voting the same way, I think it would be best to finish up whatever pressing arguments are necessary until some of the inactives check in. So (>")>-
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Now you know how I feel every time I try to check my PMs or something and I can't log in without manually changing the web address.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:I hate you. Thanks for ruining my MS cookies.
tbh I like the 67.etc. address better; images are much sharper for some reason.
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I certainly agree with this much, and it's not like Cayke or Hyl have actually said anything that would sway me from wanting to lynch them.saberwolf 238 wrote:I'm thinking this is one of scum-cayke's ploys to stall the game.This game is going just fine without any outside influences, no need to stall it.
Ah, why not. I'll drink the wine and buy into the meta that I've witnessed for myself in Mafia of Order and Cayke just attested to.
Unvote: saberwolf(L-6)
Vote: Cayke
I still don't see why saberwolf was banned, and I don't see a connection between Cayke and saberwolf (there is one possibility, but as Cayke only reacted violently after Otto U. gaffed I don't think it's correct).
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Things you've done during this game:crywolf20084 wrote:Why.
Why is your fucking vote awesome? It really isnt?
And I'm very fed up with douchebag ruining hte game. (Fuck your non flaming rule tubby. Good friend, but god don't protect a doucehbag)
[x] Jumped on obviously forthcoming Xdaamno wagon
[x] Bullied Xdaamno when convenient
[ ] Jumped on Otto wagon
[x] Claimed credit for Otto wagon
[x] Flamed Otto
[x] Attempted to derail the game whilst flaming Otto
[x] Told to scumhunt
[ ] Scumhunted
[ ] Produced any original content that would help the Town
[x] Acted worse than any outburst I've seen saberwolf make while researching where he could possibly have been banned (not a scumtell so much as truth)
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oh okJDodge 288 wrote:
Because you saidsaidsaidsaidsaid you were waiting for the rest of my posts (>^_^)>Vi wrote:
whywhywhywhyYwhy me in particular ^_____^JDodge 278 wrote:still waiting on what you have to say in response to my posts vivivivivivi <3
I think your posts are garbage all the way down, but wanted to see what else you were going to do before saying anything.
Paradoxically I like the Cayke vote right now.
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Waiting for the other lurkers.VP Baltar 297 wrote:Soooo....tajo has the idea. Where they hell are the rest of you?
I'm not sure what to make of tajo durnkpsoting as the best he can do, but I suppose I can make do.
Unvote: Cayke(L-4)
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you have your vote on a claimed cop d1Xdaamno 310 wrote:I like my vote staying on Poro right now, mostly to remind me to suspect him when he gets back. The Howie wagon looks promising to me, but I don't know that much about him at this moment so I'm gonna wait and watch it for a bit.
with a fairly small chance of a doctor existing to protect said cop
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Well okay. What more would you like to talk about in re: Ottochaz?Xdaamno 320 wrote:
Uhh, sorry. I didn't mean to be. I just wanted to make a point that I didn't feel comfortable immediately dropping that topic.Vi wrote:
Are you always this obtuse?Xd 315 wrote:Unvote,as is customary[to be done for people who claim Cop]
So you know my thoughts on the subject--
*If he's telling the truth, he'll probably die overnight.
*If he doesn't die overnight, he'll provide us with an investigation result (*cough* JDodge *cough*)
*If he doesn't die after that, we can open up discussion of a policy lynch pending a review of Chaz's Townieness (although I'm willing to buy that saberwolf was Town) and whether we've hit scum by then (I would be surprised if we haven't).-
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I'll repeat you for you ^.^VP Baltar 328 wrote:Since we've actually decided to not play this game anymore. VOTE HOWARD ROARK. ffs, stop making me repeat myself.
VOTE HOWARD ROARK.
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doubleplus ungoodDizzyIzzyB13 330 wrote:While I'm here, though...unvote, vote VP Beltar. I find the vehemence with which he is pursuing Howard to be quite disturbing, given the horrific weakness of the case made against him.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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ITT, reactionary scumhunting!HowardRoark 326 wrote:So, we've got . . .
VP Baltar's vote (97) for a statement I've explained and he was unable to continue using as an attack, and (277) a PBPA concluding that I've been "coasting outside of the fray."
populartajo's vote (296) with no reasoning, but an taste of FoS scum partner vote another: "Decent votes: HowardRoak, Baltar is improving but still bothers me some." His vote was on VP Baltar.
Vi's vote (300) because "it is someone scummy and there's a larger wagon over thisaway." Add (318) for having done nothing seemingly pro-town while offering several others who are comparable. (IMHO a list which leaves out some even poorer performers such as Cat and Otto Ulberiecht / Porochaz.)
Xdaamno's vote (333) with no reasoning other than being able to analyze my flip. (My wagon is increasing, and his is decreasing.)
The difficult question: Which of these votes is the scummiest? The answer: Difficult to determine. Best guess would be Xdaamno (maybe biased on that based on my existing suspicion) and populartajo.
Also, Cat is probTown IMO. saberwolf is probably also Town, which is a relief because I doubt Poro's ability to say anything enlightening tbh. To answer about the person you left out, I initially thought Qooq was Town but upon reread I'm not sure if that should be so.
@mod: Please replace Qooq. This has nothing to do with the holidays and everything to do with last posting on the 13th.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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1) So... what are you doing toXdaamno 339 wrote:but the possibility of him just leading the town is one I want to investigate if Izzy flips town.counterVP Baltar's attempts to lead the Town, or otherwise show that said Town-leading isnotthe best thing a Townie could do right now?
2) When do you expect to see Izzy flip Town?Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Suddenly, activity.
My initial Cat read was based on
which almost fits with what I would expect newbTown to say. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how newby skitzer is (as evidenced by his references to having played with Xd before) and newbTown would have left out the part about Xd being "definitely scummy".Cat #3 wrote:OK, I dislike playing with Xdaamno because of what's going on right now. Yes, he's definitely scummy, but he's almost always scummy acting.
Now note that Cat voted Xdaamno because
which coming off of his previous post (literally, the last post he made before this one) rings false.Cat #4 wrote:he's been acting just generally slightly scummy all game and I feel my vote need to be somewhere.
Thus, I'm re-evaluating my read on him, which is unfortunate because skitzer is a renowned nonentity and I highly value a read on that player slot.
saberwolf was acting essentially as I would expect him to as Town (having been forced to watch Mafia of Order) and his claim locks him into a corner that essentially guarantees his eventual death, something I wouldn't expect from scum even if they have a grudge against the game. (If he IS scum, on the other hand, looking at the reactions from the people who immediately complained that saberwolf threw the game would be quite enlightening.)
Now note that the Xdaamno wagon at its peak was {Cayke, Vi, Izzy, JDodge, Howie}. I'm not looking at myself. Cayke is etc. Izzy is apparently playing to a well-known meta among the scumchatters and is overall playing too poorly to be scum right now. JDodge and you are both unTown by post content and happen to be squarely in the middle of the wagon. Thus, hawt JDodgexHowie action.
Is there anything else you would like to know?
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Xd 342 wrote:And, thanks for catching that, though I resent the subtle implication of a freudian slipIzzy is your mother?
I'm assuming you meant to say "if HR flips Town".
Ignoring this current investigation into VP Baltar's motives, do you think anyone is scum enough to vote them?
Are you suggesting that VP Baltar is primarily responsible for the HR wagon, even though you just said that he has a good chance of being scum? (Clearlyif HR flips Town, you shouldn't be held responsible for his lynch in spite of agreeing with VP.~)Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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