A proper post now.
@LL
I agree. However given my experience with you, I am keeping my eye on you.
@Mindgamer
Hold on, are you trying to tell us that:
SK wrote:'^^ Need I say more. SK has been active in other games, but claims to be busy in this game. SK also flaked out on another ice/fire mafia game (though he turned out to be town. Read mod errored open 201).
Is not evidence for active lurking because SK just replaced out?
Define to me what you would call active lurking. When I see someone saying for the past week that he would contribute on this game and he goes behind our back and actively does analysis in other games, this is what I call
Active lurking
My proof, is within SK's posts. You even admitted to SK posting elsewhere. Tell me, why are you so feveriously defending SK, yet you just ignore this fact? All you do is repeat that SK replaced out. You just say that SK's posts in other games is just a bad reason to attack SK and vote him. I told you
March 8: SK said he would post here. He posted analysis in other games. I will quote from said games if the Mod will allow me. This game is ongoing. If I have the ability to quote someone, in another game, that is ongoing, while he was playing this game, then this is all I need to say
Mindgamer wrote:I don't see ICEninja pushing a SaintKerrigan lynch. lol.
Look at this
ICEninja wrote:Wow, Kerrigan has been extremely active in Mafia 110 lately, and completely lurking here. That is indeed suspicious.
Mindgamer wrote:
You do realize there are four scum in this game right? Thinking independently is the key to victory. Don't let your judgment be clouded by what others say.
Maybe I'm missing your point here, but this statement seemed to be completely irrelevant to the rest of your post, and just thrown in there.
Points against you in this argument. However, thank you for this point, I will need to address Iceninja because this is scummy of Ice. Ice agrees my case is correct. However:
Why doesn't Ice do anything about the SK case given that he agrees with me?
See the line where: "SK is suspicious"
I don't see any follow through on that. That to me is scummy.
Also: I like it how you admit
You dislike a SK lynch, given that LL posted this:
Locke Lamora wrote:Just finished a quick read-through, some early thoughts:
-I genuinely cannot believe how circular and infuriating that argument over Mindgamer's 'scumslip' and pwnman following SK was. I don't think anyone comes out of that situation looking good, to be honest. As far as I can tell, pwnman doesn't know what's going on at all and SK just picked up on a weak reason to vote Mindgamer (which he admitted was weak and makes it even more crazy that this debate has taken up half of the game).
-Too many people going 'look at this list of lurkers'. Ask them some questions, build a case, ask the mod for a prod/replacement. Don't just say 'you're lurking, contribute more'.
-I'm getting a scummy read from Deer. Not a whole lot of content, seems like he's trying to cover all the bases in his opinions (see ISO 7 & 11, for example) and I think he hops from wagon to wagon without really following through on the suspicions from his previous vote.
-ICEninja also concerns me a bit, mainly because of an air of caution. This could just be playstyle based but I've learnt to be wary of anyone who says they don't put their vote around until they've carefully considered all the information.
Will read through again and provide more thoughts but for now:
Vote: Deer
What happened to your suspicions of Crazy and Mindgamer?
I find it fascinating that you dislike my pressure on SK. Yes you showed me that SK replaced out of every game except for his modding duties. Hence I unvoted since this is a sign that SK was busy. However, my case was valid given when I made it, I did it before SK's replacement.
I also find it fascinating that in this entire argument
you never once said I was scummy. Here you are arguing against me, voting me, but at no time did you call me scummy
When new information rises, yes you can say : XYZ argument was wrong. Like here.
I made my post/vote/case before SK's replacement. I saw that he posted else where. I accuse him of lurking. SK replaces out. I say this is a sign of scum flaking. Mindgamer says: wait, you are wrong, he wasn't active lurking and your case is wrong blah blah, why are you attacking SK. I say: SK showed signs of active lurking, my case is valid in context of when/how I made it. This new information says: ok SK is really bus though so I'll give him and the replacement the benefit of the doubt.
Mindgamer wrote:
So much roflcopter stuff in this part of your post. It's interesting how you're already making plans for the future. SaintKerrigan isn't even close to being lynched, but you're already talking about his flip, and the day afterwards. Why would a townie plan so much?
Hey, first. 1. Why are you so concerned about my push on SK's wagon given that she wasn't close to a lynch.
Secondly, I said: If a SK lynch falls through, I'm keeping my eye on you. I said if SK flips scum, I would go back and reread to see if there was a Mindgamer link with SK/dana. Voicing out who I would look into = not a guarantee I would live to see that through. If I die, then I left behind my notes for the town to reread over, hence:
If they find something in my posts that's worth discussing tomorrow then I'm darn sure I'm leaving something behind if I die. If I live, then I'm making self notes to analyze people in more depth during rereads.
Mindgamer wrote:
Hmm, this is not really a very exciting game. Let's put some thoughts into this game.
If you were a daytime Cop, who would you investigate right now? And why?
You think I'm scum right? Hence the vote? Why are you so concerned about people's scum list again? This reads as: fishing for people's town list while attacking me. Cop investigation lists = gut scum lists = townie targets for scum. The timing of this question, in mid DTM attack, and saying that this game is boring makes me think scum-mindgamer.
@Iceninja
Above: Via Mindgamer quote, you called out SK as suspicious. Why didn't you follow up on this?
Ice wrote:XScorpion, you're still my number 2 suspect, but if you start playing this game and quit being an idiot,
Yes your attack on Xscoprion is valid, but hmm I find the lack of distinction between "scummy" and "stupidity" lacking here.
@Nacho
Nacho wrote:
I haven't liked DT since his attack on SK, which was entirely strawmanning. It was obvious that since his ISO 23 that he needed to read the game in order to do a catchup post; DT posted that his posting in other games was obviously active lurking,
even though he wasn't behind in those games
. His assumption that SK was replacing out due to his case shows a bit of townie confidence, so gut saves him a bit, assuming he returns to his normal level of posting.
Um ok, so you'd let SK slide by saying: "I'll catch up" plenty of time while SK is up to date in other games before replacing out? I'll like to point the bolded part. Tell me something:
We have a case of two different SK metas in two different ongoing games. We have one game where SK has been actively contributing, like normal, and with the bolded part up to date in those games. Given that he:
SaintKerrigan Mar 4 wrote:V/LA from now until Friday.
This is legtimate. Give him an extra day or so due to timezones, personal reasons etc.
SaintKerrigan Mar 6 wrote:I'm not in a good mental mood, guys. I'll hopefully feel better tomorrow and do my catch-up then.
Ok give him a day. Recover, etc, etc.
SaintKerrigan Mar 8 wrote:All right, sorry for not showing up yesterday, guys. I'm going to do a reread now.
SaintKerrigan Mar 9 wrote:Posting to say that I'm extremely sleep-deprived and cranky from psych tests, so I'm only going to be handling my modding duties today.
SaintKerrigan Mar 9 wrote:Mod: I'm sorry, but I need to replace out. Reality is catching up with me, and I'm afraid I just don't have time to play any games. I'm really sorry about this!
Now between this, had SK done the same in other games, it's obvious to see that SK is busy in life. Now reread your comment. On the 8th, between his hectic life he chose to post else where as evident in your bolded comment, but because the above it wasn't warrent the attack?
Only after, his contributions on the 8th in 110 did he replace out in all of his games. The timing of my case was around the 8th/9th and SK's replacement in all her games wasn't brought to attention until Mindgamer said so a few days later via application.
So when I made it, I'm strawmanning SK given that I saw the above at the time?
I find this argument only valid: if you assumed that I knew SK replaced out of all his games, but I would hardly say that during the context of when I made my vote/argument. There is certainly more information now to criticize that my case fell through, hence my unvote.
SK needed to reread yes. SK needed to post, yes. SK posting in other games while he needed to reread here, wait a minute something is fishy here.
@Nacho Part 2
Whew.
Hey looky looky. Contradiction.
Nacho wrote:
Alright, first of all, we as a town need to get organized. We have 5 days until deadline, and our voting is all over the place; we don't even have a bandwagon formed as of yet.
Nacho wrote:Mindgamer has taken a tiny little bit of a turn since I suspected him last, so he's not the lynch of the day.
I'm not sure about DLA. I really, really, don't like the AtoE in his last post, but I have to get a better read on him.
ICE, however, is my favorite of RC's lynch choices. The reason I don't like him is a recent ISO on him; he is certainly a king of posting long posts without posting any content whatsoever. Take for example, ISO 24. He responds to Mindgamer in the first two lines, then continues on and overexplains to make his posts seem more impressive-looking, which is a great tactic for scum to use in a lurkish game like this. So,
Unvote, Vote: ICEninja.
Why aren't you questioning Dark given that you need a better read on him? There is a strong wagon on Dark atm, and maybe Deer. Hmm? Or are you content in letting other people do the work for you in generating the reads given that he has a lot of pressure on him
@Scorpion
I'm giving Dana the replacement halo/grace time to post. It's the weekend right now so it's not a good time for activity. However my vote is more valid on Dark = for outlined case above. Mindgamer = for his DTM is wrong case, but never actually shows how my case was wrong. Somehow It's warrant a vote. Deer for LL's very valid case. It does read as flying under the radar and we need better reads on Deer.
@Scott
Granted, and ouch. Good suspicion is good.
@Dark
Dark wrote:That unvote was more of an attempt to prove that you don't get anywhere without starting somewhere. In that example, I tried to get a base vote, and get information based on it.
Hold on, you were trying to prove
theory to us. You weren't trying to scum hunt via your vote/unvote reactions from people?
The eff? Summarize your conclusions now please.
While I wait for pending questions: I like the deer wagon. Pressure +1 is definitely needed in this avenue.
Vote Deer