Open 209: The Invasion of Liten (Game Over)

[Slaxx]

inb4 game

Vote Nicodemus

for being my friend. Only someone crazy would befriend me.

[Slaxx]

I hate RQS as well. Big bandwagons turn me on, however.

[Slaxx]

There's a bandwagon and Slaxx isn't on it?

Thats just absurd.

unvote

vote: Haylen

[Slaxx]

I'm honored Pulindar!

[Slaxx]

The wording "glorius crusade" almost makes me want to jump on my own bandwagon. But I shall repress my eagerness.

[Slaxx]

-glorious

grr.

[Slaxx]

First of all, hey Pulindar.

Its more of an RVS bandwagon, so I would say no, but neither bandwagon does. Its foundation, in essence, is not built until after we get the info we need out of it.

Go for it. If I have to be lynched to expose scum or scavenge for information, or if I have to come dangerously close, fine. There's a lot more of us than them so we're a little bit more expendable.

Comparing the bandwagons is pointless until we've gathered some information on both of them. They will both serve a useful purpose, I'm sure. I agree that competing bandwagons are town's Excalibur against the scum.

As for you: do you think your bandwagon has any foundation?

And for SFG: by what other means do you enjoy gathering information?

[Slaxx]

Well, no. I mean, you could have CLAIMED scum.

Actually, I have changed my policy to ask for a replacement if someone claims scum. It goes against their win objective no matter what.

In another game I'm in, a cop claimed scum, was lynched, and well, flipped cop. It was quite disconcerting. I mean, I seriously will never play with that player again because of that action. I'll quit a game rather than play with him. But still, claiming scum is just someone who should ask the mod to replace them out.

That was quite frustrating -_-

Im still happy with where my vote is tbh. Not very happy with the Nic bandwagon.

[Slaxx]

Speaking of busy days, don't expect to hear from me much tuesdays or wednesdays, just a disclaimer before things get intense.

[Slaxx]

Day is a a necessary evil....Like squeezing your dogs anal glands when they ruin your carpet. On to Reads, yea yeah:

Oh and ty Pulindar, you're quite a hoot to play with too (get it, the owl avatar? HAHA)

Aldusskel

1 post. 1 vote. Not much to read. Doing nothing but answering RQS isnt a way to get on my town read list though.

Crypto

I hate RQS! But anyway, he's asking some good questions. Follow along in an ISO, if you will.

7: Good questioning, good straightforwardness.
9-11: are filler or one liners, which are null tells to the lazy nature of humanity.
30: I agree with his sentiments on the opportunism.
31: Really liking his case here on SFG.

Haylen

Almost impossible to read. Active lurking with nothing but joking apathetic posts. Lynching her would be a policy lynch. But the pressure of voting isn't doing anything either. This is a tough one, but for now one of my eagle eyes goes on to her.

Horror

Joined a bandwagon. Possibly got a little defensive in response to Nik. Needz moar content.

Max

A very accusatory person for only two posts. Seems to be flinging a lot of accusations without ever going out on a limb as to why. More content, but the straightforwardness comes off nice. I just wish he'd let us into his mind so we could follow his thought process. I'm assuming he was reaction fishing? Possibly scum.

Nic

Highly doubt he was grasping at straws. This was a legitimate question. Obviously Pulindar intended for someone to respond this way to it. His ISO 3 does get a little defensive though. Theres no reason to get riled up about one vote. Patience and cunning is just as important as town as it is to maf.

Nik

Hard to read, yeah yea. Slightly opportunistic on the Nic thing, I like his train of thought more than the other sheep though. I think we're okay right now.

Pulindar

SO much too look over. Open up another Iso, shall we?
3: Starts competing bandwagon
5: Starts inquiring from people early on, good good
15: Can you explain what you were doing here?

Sanhora

One of two people I'm worried about right now. Getting a little testy with a low vote count. Agree with sentiments on the Nic wagon, don't agree with the Pulindar sentiments. Only worried because Sanhora states busy on thursdays and weekends, meaning I'm not going to get a good read for a while. Putting my other eye on sanhora.

SFG

Interesting read. Open up yet another Iso with me.
2: Starts voting on a lurker
3: Says lurking isnt scummy
5: Asks opinions, has yet to give own
7: Explains vote
13: Criticizes almost everyone, tells Nic to pull a stick out of his butt, seems to be fishing for reactions in a bad way. Bad way, you say? Yes. Putting a good case on someone and seeing them getting frustrated is one thing, but just instigating people and then pointing out their defensiveness is totally different.

Overall interesting read. Possibly scum. Really not a fan of the analysis given to the players.

Sniper

Post Moar.

Steam Powered Shovel

Very opportunistic on the Nic wagon, now trying to defend what is a pretty lost case. Suffering from tunnel vision so early by saying that Nic is the only scummy person so far. This makes me feel like you're just trying to focus on one person, which is what scum does when they want to push mislynches. Possibly scum.

These are just as much my notes for me as they are my thoughts for you. Some of these are less thought out than others, but I wanted to try to get everyone to comment on at least some aspect of their play so far so we can go from there.

This is Slaxx, signing out.

[Slaxx]

"Day 1 is a necessary evil"

[Slaxx]

@SFG: So we should discount your suspicion just because of that?

[Slaxx]

My mind tells me go to sleep but my gut tells me

vote SFG

for faulty defense, some odd analyses of players, possibly instigating, and placing votes on non suspects. Why not pressure suspicious people? This makes no sense to me.

[Slaxx]

unvote

vote SFg

[Slaxx]

Nico is indeed active lurking.

Not cool Nico.

[Slaxx]

Can't name partners because not enough people (me included) are contributing enough.

@SFG: Why would you out that you're going to take the vote off? Why not just do it when it happens and check for reactions?

@Max: I know your votes not on anyone, which btw I find suspicious despite your argument, I would like for you to answer your own questions based on your FoSs.
I would agree with Crypto about a possible SFG SPS scumpair. Post 282 gives me bad vibes, but that might be a null tell considering Crypto has been semilurking and he might just be curious.

@Crypto: If one of them pops town, then that means you have other suspicions than just connections. Care to share them?

@Pulindar: How do you feel about the two people who have their votes on you? Would you be okay with a Sniper lynch?

[Slaxx]

Good. I'm glad we're seeing the same thing there. That being said, I would be more comfortable with

unvote

vote: SPS

[Slaxx]

yeah i said that earlier.

[Slaxx]

Any particular reason you're connecting me and Sanhora?

Any particular reason that the case on me is the same as Sanhora despite a totally different playstyle, post count, and suspicions?

So you're okay with a sniper policy lynch?

[Slaxx]

Nic you're avoiding the question. Just sayin I rubbed you the wrong way isnt very great, and connecting me with someone else based on the same behavior is terrible.

I identified three possible scum. I dont know how thats leaving outs. Your attack on me however, makes me think you aren't necessarily scummy. There are much easier targets to go after, and sinced you know I'm a vigorous debater from past experiences, you either are really trying hard to blend in less or you really are giving your honest opinion.

That being said, every game I've been in usually winds up being a policy lynch D1 due to on Village Idiot, but as you know from another game keeping them around for D2 so they can fake claim doc as townie...cough...is more troublesome for town anyway. This being said, I will

vote sniper to L-1

L1. L1. L1.

Dont say you didnt know

[Slaxx]

To me, speculating partners is a disadvantage, but so is giving people a 'scum list' from top to bottom. That literally puts townies up in a nice convenient death row order for the scum, or lets scum know their biggest threats. All you need to know is who I think is scum.

[Slaxx]

erm,

unvote

vote sniper to L-1

Sorry Saint.

Don't worry, the vote will show up in the next vote count. I tend to only do one vote count per page.

[Slaxx]

I do want a policy lynch on Sniper. He's territownie or troll. Problems?

[Slaxx]

That was an inside joke between me and Nic from a newbie game we played. Point is, the VI is a day 1 must.
Really, you must calm down. Evidently you've never played a good game of maf. Actually, maybe you have, idk. Catering to this town's needs is on my top priority list. Today's lynch should be one that outs the biggest threat to town, whether it be of scum, or terrible townie.

[Slaxx]

Why is everyone so quiet? You guys should talk more.

[Slaxx]

I put the L-1 vote their on purpose. I got a few things from it.

I dont think SFG is scum anymore.
I dont think you're scum.

Remind me next time to place a controversial vote at a more peak time of activity so I can get better reactions.

[Slaxx]

That was just part of my reaction test. Notice the first letter of every sentence in paragraph 2 spells REACT. I couldn't come up with the E. lmfao.
However, my test was ill timed. I'm waiting till a busier time next time.

[Slaxx]

Quiet quiet nic. Give your opinion on what has gone down.

[Slaxx]

Sniper is officially mega-newb-town

Everyone should unvote him now

. Have a midterm tomorrow and quiz thursday so expect a case thursday night at the latest.

Mega Newb is a null read either way. Completely calling off a lynch and demanding all votes be taken off seems a little rash.

[Slaxx]

That's a pretty sure statement.

[Slaxx]

By the way, when you commented on my clear cut A>B I couldn't help but notice your first post only listed two scum and neither one was A>B.

[Slaxx]

Okay. I'm satisfied.

Nico, what do you think of this conversation?

SFG, are you okay with reaction tests like my L-1 vote?

SPS and Ardunkel, do you like SFG's move on removing the vote from the wagon?

[Slaxx]

Additional questions:

Max, since you're so rash and not afraid to make quick claims, who would you lynch today if you had to?

Sanhora, are you still alive?

Sniper, you seem to talk like you've played in other more complex setups. Is this a good assumption?

Haylen, throw me a bone and out your thoughts, on like, anything.


Would anyone like to quiz slaxx?

[Slaxx]

Id rather have it their then not.

I'd really like for Sniper to answer my question before anymore people comment on it. I wanted Nic's opinion specifically.

[Slaxx]

You would think with my English Scores at the college level being good that I would know the difference between certain words. Obviously not.

"Id rather have it there than not."

[Slaxx]

I don't like the humor replacing a legitimate answer to a good question. It shows nervousness to me, although I can't rightfully justify that over the internet. Generally though, people use humor as a tool to lighten the mood. When pressure is put on us and we want to relieve it but we don't know how, sometimes we make a sheepish joke (admit it, we've all done it). Anyway, I just don't like the humorous response.

I think that one of Aldukkel or Max is probably scum based on the stances they've taken against each other and with different players. Or they might be one of each, but such large assumptions are not justifiable at this time.

Right now I'm leaning towards Nic as one of the scum. Aduskel or Max as another or two others. Last scum are probably hiding in our lurkers somewhere.

[Slaxx]

Let's see what Nic does with a little more pressure on him.

unvote

vote Nicodemus

[Slaxx]

Current Reads on People

Its that time again people. I like to do these a lot so whenever the time comes when I must depart you can come back and reference my notes at the time, and hopefully come up with something. So here we go for Slaxx's annual Reads+Questions extravaganza. All post references are in ISO unless stated otherwise.

Alduskkel

Post 1: Bandwagon and RQS answering. Nothing wrong here.
Post 2: L-2 Bandwagons are awesome, and thanks for the Meta. I like his comment to Nik about giving away how he reads people. At first I was going to say I didn't agree with the Pulindar buddying hypothesis, but looking back I think I do now. However, I will attest to the fact that's how Pulindar played in our last game, in which he was town. So we'll see. Everything else here seems like legit scumhunting.
Post 3: Yes, agreed. I like this vote.
Post 4: Yes, agreed again. I like the straightforwardness. In fact, I think I might be on to something here. We'll go into it later.
Post 5: Agreeing with me is always good. /joke. Idk what I said, I only have the ISO pulled up.
Post 6: AHA. Another defense of Sniper from Nik. We might be on to something here. Sorry, had to look up who said it and saw who it was. Alduskell had done way more than lurker hunting to his point and was simply pressuring Sniper, or I'm assuming. Once again Nik is getting testy when pressure is placed on Sniper.
Post 7: Good Q and A's here.
Post 8: Agree
Post 9: Jumps on me about the policy lynch, but I see why. Might have came on a little strong, but I don't think he's defending Sniper, although I suppose its possible if the vote earlier in the game might have been a bus. Keeping my eye out, especially since he said lurker hunting was not a bad thing a few posts earlier.
Post 10 and 11: Yeah I can't spell. Wanna fight about it?

Overall Read:

Only scummy thing I can find is the contradiction between the policy lynch on Sniper and the comment about hunting lurkers. I guess I just want an explanation on the difference from his point of view.[/area]

Crypto

Post 1: Why even vote twice...
Post 6: Votes without a reason...
Post 8: ...And then explains its because the voter didn't give a reason.
Post 7: Pressuring lurkers is awesome play, lynching them is whats not.
Post 12: Good, we're getting some where.
Post 13: Good again.
Post 15: Probably about the 5th of his filler posts so far.
Post 17: Why?
Post 19: You're getting on my nerves now.
Post 22: Why?
Post 31: Like you did with Sniper? (Lack of content on Haylen, trying to shame Pulindar)
Post 32: Why.
Post 37 and 38: Wow, afraid of a bandwagon much?
Post 51: Where the hell did that come from?
Post 56: You're only giving good cases when asked. Meaning you probably didn't have one in the first place, meaning you probably aren't trying to hard to scumhunt.

Overall Read:

Not. Good. If Nic manages to dig himself out of the hole he's in, my vote goes to you. Filler posts, faulty reasoning, no reasoning, and roundabouting questions is just a little too much. You're public enemy #1 and the only reason I'm not all over you with my vote is the fact I want pressure on Nic.[/area]

More to come. Just breaking these posts up so people might actually read them.

[Slaxx]

Next two are horrordude/Fuzzy and Haylen. Not even going to touch on horrodude for he didn't contribute much anyway.

Furry

Post 0: Lawl.
Post 1: I'm feeling the scum reads, but not the town reads. I'm not really all for outting who I absolutely trust but instead like to keep scum guessing.
Post 2: Good reads radiating from these comments.
Post 3: Explained my reasoning for that, but I like that she's paying attention. Sentiments on sniper are good enough for me and seem protown.
Post 4: Are we separated at birth? Yeah, I'm up for any of those tbqh.
Post 5: Oh, we're not. This is where we debate.
The Rest: Sniper isn't for sure town so I wouldn't say he is. Other than that I don't have much of a read on you besides good, but you haven't really been questioned too much besides what I did so we'll see. No one gets a free ride in Liten as long as I'm alive.[/area]

Haylen

Your posts are so sporadic I can't tell if this is just you or if you're trying very hard to remain unreadable. You're first few posts about being fine with a bandwagon on you make me all happy inside, but your active lurking and off the wall comments make me think i am being misled. I kind of want to lynch you. However there are better candidates. If I was cop you would sooooo be my investigation.

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[Slaxx]

I was that way until my last game where I was scum ended. Now I can devote more of my time to this game. Still working on the next three reads.

[Slaxx]

Next up are Max, Nic, and Nik. Three letter words are win, kthx.

Max

Post 0: Not a very good 1st post. It even lacks a vote. Oh wait. Thats how you play.
Post 1: I hate when people only give good cases when they're asked. Its like they're waiting for others to make them so they don't have to risk there neck making opinions. I don't like how he asks for who Nico's partner is. Does he feel in danger of something?
Post 5: Logical thought here.
Post 11: Interesting vote, at least you're going out on a limb here. I don't think you've got the right guy, but who knows.

Overall Read:

Scummy to the supremo. Possible partner is Nic, they've done a good job not really talking to each other while both independently being pretty scummy. The part where he fishes for a possible scumpartner is what makes me think this is one possible combo. They're acting scummy enough to be on two different mafia sides though, so whatever. Another person my vote might go to in the future.

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Nic (AKA my RL friend)

Post 1: Screw you man. jk jk.
Post 3: I got such a good read off of this...oh how the times change
Post 6: Like his read on Nik. His case on me doesn't make sense. The other two are attacking lurkers. Yeah, I said pressuring lurkers is fine, but just putting them in your scum reads isn't a very good strategy. Just saying something is 'off' isn't a case. It's a gut read. Say it as a gut read instead of trying to make a case out of it.
Post 7: Doesn't seem to be putting effort into his cases. I know Nic better than this, although that means nothing to you guys.
Post 8: Look at his answers. He basically didn't answer why. I found them suspicious...You left yourself outs...I know he acknowledged that we weren't strong reads, but these aren't the reactions I was hoping for.
Post 10: Furry got neg reads for that, and I think my actions were null at best. You're becoming wishy washy.

Overall Read: I think he is scum, but I didn't see any good Max connections. Still going with my gut though. Wishy washy attitude, active lurking, and slight apathetic mood indicates a more nullish read, but there's so much of it coupled with very little protown behavior I think we might be on to something. Increased pressure might be needed in order to obtain a better read.

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Nik (AKA guy who modded one of my games)

Post 3: A RV.
Post 6: Jumps on a bandwagon. Null tell.
Post 7: Why?
Post 8: Good point. You're paying attention.
Post 13: Once again, I liked this about Nic, and so did the target of his suspicion. Obviously it was there for the exact purpose it served. Way to try to fling mud so early though.
Post 18: Seems to be instigating here. I don't like either side of this argument any more.

Overall Read: Not a big fan. A lot of filler posts, a lot of humor, which I said I don't like but is a null tell regardless, jumpy defense of a very suspicious player. If Nic clears out I think competing bandwagons on Nik and Max would be amazing for town.

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[Slaxx]

Is that all I'm going to do? Probably not. Hunting lurkers is a pretty good idea though IMO.

It sounds like you just want to policy lynch Sniper actually. Not a very good L-1 vote.

They are different indeed, but I just want to know why hunting lurkers is any better than policy lynching.

And hey now, I suck at HTML. Don't be juhjin.

[Slaxx]

LOL SAINT LEAVE ME ALONE I SUCK AT HTML.

And i am not in any of your intense scenes. Just tell me now if I'm too ugly to star in your movie. I'll be fine....maybe.

Ok, I really need to be keeping track of who has appeared in a flavor scene and who hasn't...I promise you though, you'll make the next one!

[Slaxx]

Triple post is triple fail, but I'll post the rest of my reads tomorrow. Maybe even during botany class. Who knows. They'll be up by midnight tomorrow unless I die before then. Right now I want some reactions, and I want some people to drop me a few questions as to why I think what I think.

[Slaxx]

Is that all I'm going to do? Probably not. Hunting lurkers is a pretty good idea though IMO.

It sounds like you just want to policy lynch Sniper actually. Not a very good L-1 vote.

They are different indeed, but I just want to know why hunting lurkers is any better than policy lynching.

I have no problem with policy lynches. But, it bothers me if someone is putting another person at L-1 this early in the game and they just seem to want to lynch them solely for bad play.

You like policy lynches, but it was too early, is what you're saying? Because "lynch them solely for bad play" is a policy lynch, unless I'm misunderstood.

[Slaxx]

Eh, I guess it was scummy. But I wanted to put myself out there regardless.

I expect people to like, discuss my notes and whatnot. Point out lapses in my thought process or things they agree with. Interrogate my thought process, add your own comments, etc etc. I worked hard on them =(

[Slaxx]

Reverse activity spike?

Haven't forgotten about reads, I've got Puli's halfway written up. Kind of want to get some reactions thus far but it looks like either everyone fell off the face of the planet.

[Slaxx]

There's plenty of other stuff to comment on. But thank you for coming out of the shadows. Any comments on my cases on either of you?

[Slaxx]

Pulindar

Post 0: Wagons are good.
Post 3: Competing bandwagons are better.Both Nik and Pulindar pointlessly put votes and unvotes in their post. Noted.
Post 4: Gave up kind of easy on the question.
Post 5: Someone said since Pulindar explaining the reason for bandwagoning made him more townie. Telling people how to play town isn't a town read. I'll have to go back and check.
Post 7: Protown vibes here. Until we get to talking about Nika. those answers weren't that great.
Lots of game and meta discussion...
Post 13: Calls out San. I agree with Pulindar on this.
Post 16: No basis for Haylen's post liking.
Post 17: I want to be readable today =/

Overall Read: The rests of the post seem pretty good to me. I'm getting okay vibes, I just don't like the buddying with Nik, as Al said. Quite frankly, Pulindar is a very friendly person as town during the game we played so I can't interpret this well yet.[/area]

Sanhora/Lord Chronos

Post 0: Will get to things right away...
Post 1: I agree with everything here really, except for the Puli thing. At first I thought Nico was town, especially at that time, but I'm pretty sure he's scum after things have panned out. Looking forward to the replacement.[/area]

SFG

Post 2: Lurker pressuring is okay. It isn't like it was a hammer or anything. This is how you get them to talk.
Post 4: I like her consistency between this and unvoting after I put Sniper at L-1.
Post 13: At that time, I agreed with most of this if I recall. I like the comment about SPS's tunneling. I like the comment about my lack of posting.
Post 32: Heck yes.
Post 38: Why is everyone giving Haylen the BOTD?
Post 39: Some say its a null tell, I like it. Consistent with Post 4.
Post 44: Get well soon. I think I would get some good insight from you on my reads.

Overall Read: No red flags for now.[/area]

[Slaxx]

You'e just like Nic. You just tell me my evidence is 'circumstantial' or 'off' but don't give any reasons why. Scumhunting is no big deal, you are right, but I'm looking for reactions and possible connections too.

[Slaxx]

KK Nic, I wanted to make sure of the order of posts before I went all crazy with doubt. Pulindar set that up on purpose, and Nic's commenting to it was exactly what he wanted. I think you made a bigger case out of it then what it was. However, his reaction to it was the first rock in my now avalanche of suspicion against him, but I doubt you were trying to instigate him rather than just target somebody. Does this explain okay?

[Slaxx]

BTW Nik, my main suspicion on sniper is that he's played in more complex setups but seems less experienced. I'm just wary of people playing noob card and sliding into day whatever. I tried to get him to talk at L-1 but there was nothing. I just don't like how quick you are to defend him, nor do I like how quick Furry was to defend him, as I made clear. Pulindar defending Haylen and kind of palling up with you just makes me think. Pulindar is very friendly though, like I said, so I'm not for sure.

[Slaxx]

Okay, I'm prolly going to answer one or two at a time, because I'm like that. I think people read it more if they're shorter.

I wasn't a fan of the Nic bandwagon for the same reason I explained to Nik about the joke. A random wagon is awesome, but one for a player analyzing something made me wonder. What did you think of Nic's action at the time? I thought he was just reading carefully, I found nothing wrong with it, especially with Pulindar's explanation. Summary= Random Wagon> Bad Reasoned Wagon.

I think Sniper has a good chance of being scum, especially at that time. But I put the L-1 vote there to try to fish some reactions out of people and get him to talk. I know it makes me look bad but I'm not too worried really. Plus the town was dying of activity and forcing a bandwagon on someone else in its current state would have been fairly difficult.

10 posts ago was a long time. You have to remember, Max starts with an M. I had read a lot of other player's ISO's before him (i was going in alpha order) and by then I was pretty sure it was either opposite scum teams or 1 town 1 scum. When I read over Max's ISO, he struck me as more scummy than Al.

[Slaxx]

Okay Nik, I guess we interpreted different. I see where you're coming from, but my interpretation is obviously a lot different. Max doesn;t acknowledge much of anything, that's why I'm suspicious of him. I don't like Nic's or his Answers to much of anything that has been thrown their way.

[Slaxx]

I think its obvious he thinks your scum Max, but I would have to ask why his votes still on someone he thinks is inno, as you said.

[Slaxx]

her and she. sorry.

[Slaxx]

Triple post again, but lol@flavor.

[Slaxx]

I'm not good with analogies. Elaborate?

[Slaxx]

Steam, what do you think of Max?

[Slaxx]

If Nic ever comes out, I would like his opinion on pretty much everybody, but specifically Nik and Max.

[Slaxx]

Haylen. Try scumhunting first.

Who is scum, Haylen?

[Slaxx]

Any justifcation for any of those?

[Slaxx]

Lol@ reverse psychology.

Haylen I'm beginning to think you're being hard to read on purpose, similair to sniper.

[Slaxx]

What reasons are those, Sniper?

[Slaxx]

Slaxx just stocked up on Fresca like it was the apocalypse.

I think we're being trolled or played with tbh. Scum isn't going to kill this guy. But I like Furry's plan of just waiting it out.

[Slaxx]

Honestly though, pressuring him isn't going to do much. I put him at L-1 and he didn't talk. I'm not going to tell you where to put your vote, but I think a different bandwagon would give us a better look into things.

[Slaxx]

And Nic was online earlier and failed to show up to the thread. This is like the second time I've seen this since his disappearance.

[Slaxx]

Mod's gone now. ANARCHY. I say we just throw him into the ocean.

Seriously, we just gotta wait it out I think. He isn't breaking any rules.

[Slaxx]

I still have two reads to type up. Lord, do you have any comments on any of my reads, or anything SFG said about my ISO? Feel free to interrogate my thought process.

Furry, what do you think of competing Nicodemus/Max wagons? i would prefer only one of them paired with Nikanor to be honest.

[Slaxx]

I can't wait for my three months so I can mod a game.
Haylen, how many have you modded?

[Slaxx]

Cool. I have an idea for a game and I need some different opinions on how to balance it and whatnot. It deals with villagers being able to pass certain items with abilities to each other through a nightphase. Where do I go to check it for balance and stuff?

And sorry for off topic stuff people.

[Slaxx]

I think a small problem with Nic is i play with him all the time on EM and also have played one with him on here and he's just totally different this game. HOWEVER, his reactions to Nik's very first jump on him seem really bad, his cases are empty and lack much detail, explanation, or passion (w/c). He's active lurking too. I'm not saying go for a lynch, but I think a lot would be gained from a bandwagon.

[Slaxx]

In our forum game, yes. In the epic mafia they are short real time games so it varied. I have looked over some of his other games as town and from what I've read he just isn't the same. But you guys can't just take my word. That's why I want pressure on him.

[Slaxx]

Meta isn't a good reason to lynch. It's not just his meta, as I have stated. His over-reaction to initial pressure put on him and his lack of cases or defense and his active lurking are all things going against him.

[Slaxx]

Flawless logic, as always.

[Slaxx]

Good to have you back Pulindar.

[Slaxx]

Did you follow along in his ISO with my case?

[Slaxx]

None of my Q's have been answered by him either >_<

[Slaxx]

Well the pressure at least worked to an extent. I have a few questions addressed to you in some of my comments Nic, you'll have to pick them out an answer them. I still need my reads on SPS and Sniper, plus I need to put together a case with annotated quotes for SFG on crypto. I havent forgotten, but tomorrow and saturday are usually my busy days so don't expect too much from me unless I scrounge up some time late saturday or early friday.

[Slaxx]

Puli, welcome back again. And yeah, town should've won.

I have a few minutes before Calculus homework (bleh) to post some reads, so let me get on those. I'm not posting a case for Sniper because I think I've made it known that I'm okay waiting it out or in a dire situation policy lynching. I owe SFG a read on crypto and I will go ahead and get SPS's read up to.

[Slaxx]

Vote: Sanhora for being the only person I've played with before. Unvote. Vote: Nikanor. Why did you not random-vote?

Why vote twice. I don't get it. Not a tell, it just bugs me. Possibly something to look back on at another time.

6.Unvote. Vote: Steam-Powered Shovel.

No, seriously.

7. You'd rather pressure some lurker than focus on the stuff that's actually happening?

8. His single post consisted of answers to my survey and an unreasoned wagon vote.

This trio is what really bugs me. He criticizes SPS for voting without a reason, but he only explains after prompted. 7 is a totally different unrelated post, but He hopped all over SFG for pressuring a lurker. I love pressuring lurkers. -points to Nic's bandwagon.

Crypto 9, 10, and 11 are all either agree statements or empty accusations. I know its early in the game, but please try more?

Post 17 he states he has his eye on SFG but never says why. Its like passive FoSing.

Post 19 He gets on to niko about grasping for straws (i agree with this) but does a weird similar bit with Pulindar in the same post 0_o

Post 22 is another empty accusation, like he's going to get those reads, but never does.

Post 37: vote without a reason, hasn't pointed fingers with a good case in forever, but has been asking a lot of people their opinions. More passive scumhunting.

Post 38: Lol. I still say he's scared of the bandwagon.

Post 51: He pulls off his lurker suit, votes, and then hops on another player without giving reasons....Again.

52: Calls the vote " A lame place". Even though he has not put any evidence on anyone, he is criticizing other people's votes.

56 I agree with, finally -_-.

Post 62: No reason, and he was all over someone else for thinking Nic was funny.

Anyway, I feel I repeated my case...What are you not satisfied with SFG?

[Slaxx]

LOL. Scummy, not funny.

[Slaxx]

@SFG, as far as my case change on him, I guess I wasn't paying as much attention. He did quite well at slipping under my radar, but when I went back to post a case and saw his massive post count but lack of any information, I got suspicious.

@Al. Wow, that's a mess up. I thought Nik was on sniper wagon but looking back he wasn't.

Apologies, Nik.

[Slaxx]

Questions time.

@Furry: What do you think about Nikanor? Has the quality of his play or the read on him you have become better or worse after his increased activity? What did you think of him in your catch up post before you placed in?

@LordChronos: What do you think about Haylen?

@Nicodemus: Answer my other questions.

[Slaxx]

Why are you on Sniper and not the others?

[Slaxx]

CRAP. Votecount fail again. Man. Nvm.

[Slaxx]

I was on a different page farther back in the thread when I chose to post my reply, the one with your vote on sniper on it. For some reason I thought it was the most recent page.

[Slaxx]

@al: I tried pressuring her like I tried pressuring Sniper. But I gave up on both because neither of them are even putting forth an effort and quite frankly I'm tired of wasting my energy.

[Slaxx]

Also, where the hell is crypto?

This. Prod time.

[Slaxx]

Lol Max, you're really grasping at straws and misrepresenting here.

I was SUGGESTING competing wagons.

And I HAD read the whole game, but when I made my detailed run through cases I of course discovered a lot more because I was looking at each player under ISO individually. I can't say anything for sure, but I don't think half the people voting have ISOed each player individually.

[Slaxx]

Hm.

LC:

What do you think of Cypto? My case on him?

What don't you understand about the Nico Case?

Why did you ask the people you did about Sniper's actions?

SFG:

You don't think Nico is scum, but you're okay with his lynch. What do you think we will gain out of his lynch?

Pulindar: The day is running out. Who are your top suspects? Why?

Ask Slaxx Q's too.

[Slaxx]

Nic is online again -_-

Speak now or forever hold your peace, nic.

[Slaxx]

I am obviously also okay with a Nico lynch, but I want to milk this day out as long as possible and interrogate some more. No reason for anyone to hammer until the deadline.

[Slaxx]

It seems that a few people on the Nico bandwagon or the potential L-1 and hammer votes don't really want to be on it. If people are getting a town read from him, then I'll be happy to give him one more day (as in game day) to live. I'd prefer we lynch an even more hardcore lurker like Sniper or Haylen though. If Nico says he contributes more on day 2 I suppose I can take his word for it, since he does indeed replace into many games. I still have a scum read on him but I don't want other townies on a wagon they're not comfortable with. We have a majority as town and therefore overall we should go with the general gut read. I'd prefer to get non contributors out of the way first, because they are making it impossible to scumhunt. I would also be up for Crypto or Max too. I will go ahead and

unvote

votes:Sniper

And we'll go from there. Nic, if you don't start stepping up your scumhunting game next game day I'm going to be kicking myself in the ass for this.

[Slaxx]

Thing is, if Nic lurks on day 2, then we his scumminess goes up more because he is contradicting himself on his reasons for lurking. We'll get a better read on him tomorrow regardless of whther he posts or not due to this fact.

Sniper and Haylen just...we can't get a read on them regardless. Neither of them have tried.

[Slaxx]

Its interesting how you just criticized Nic for AtE with your last post and all.

[Slaxx]

Ask Puli, I fake claimed tracker in our last game and said I had been super busy with work and school and said my lurking was because of that. I made a super long pity me post and actually won the game as scum. The tracker claim helped too, of course. Now it wasn't a lie, I had been buried in school and wok, but the point is that utilized that to enchance my fake claim explanation. So really, I don't buy any of that since I've been on the side of the AtE.

[Slaxx]

Well if you're a big ball of emotion you're a liability to the town in later days in possible lylo situations. Why should we lynch Sniper over you then? I can't get a good read on you nor can I get a good read on Sniper.

[Slaxx]

That argument is fail. Your logic there says we should go strictly off Metas, is scum tells are different for every player. Thre are certain things that are a general consensus for scumtells, IMHO. Deflection as Puli said is one of them. And you just did that with mentioning Nico. Do you really think you're safe from being lynched today?

[Slaxx]

You're suspicions on LC are very valid.

Furry: What's your opinion of LC?

[Slaxx]

You can put effort into theory but none into scumhunting. Why is that?

[Slaxx]

But you feel like posting things about theory?

[Slaxx]

Yes. Why not use your time to be productive? Its work either way, posting about theory or scumhunting. You're just afraid to make accusations.

[Slaxx]

You haven't tried to analyze things throughout the entire course of this game.

[Slaxx]

Saint is a male? I am obviously not an observant person 0_o.

Haylen, I'll just echo to you what I said to Nic.

[Slaxx]

Nic, if you don't start stepping up your scumhunting game next game day I'm going to be kicking myself in the ass for this.

[Slaxx]

I get the neutrality and the scum reads on Sniper, but someone really needs to come up with a coherent case as to why he's so obviously town.

[Slaxx]

So being on the same bandwagon as you makes him slight town. You dont think he's being too sheepish?

[Slaxx]

I think the competing wagons are good. This should play out to be interesting.

[Slaxx]

I disagree. Sniper and Nic are both hot candidates for a lynch.

[Slaxx]

Why Sniper over Nico LC? You don't just hop on a bandwagon like this without a reason.

[Slaxx]

Ah very interesting indeed.

Furry, explain to me why Sniper is so obviously town?
LC, do the opposite.

[Slaxx]

Btw, I don't doubt either of you. This is a very pivotal moment in the game. In later days I'm sure people will come back to this and look for information, thats why I'm trying to milk it for all its worth. For all we know they're both scum.

[Slaxx]

You're not shunned.

My vote stays where it is, though. For now.

A few of neutral reads aren't on a BW yet. I want to see which way they vote.

[Slaxx]

-a few of my

[Slaxx]

OH HAHA. Sorry Furry.

Explain point 2, LC.

[Slaxx]

Scratch that. All my scum reads havent voted. Wow. Maybe we're on to something.

[Slaxx]

SPS, that isn't set in stone. Votes are tied right now.

[Slaxx]

True. But I like the way this is setup right now. All my worse reads are being forced into the spotlight.

[Slaxx]

Sigh you guys dont get it do you? Haylen has really done nothing all game, but anytime anyone interrogates her she fails miserably to prove (to me at least) that others sentiments of her protownines are true. Any time she comes under pressure she uses AtE, Misrep, or deflects. Then when i point them out, she just quotes meta. I'm sorry, but I only know Pulindar and Nic's town meta, and I don't think anyone here knows my vanilla townie meta. But if people here were to point out something I did was scummy,I'd provide content and defense. Not just blame my meta. There are too many people here willing to let her slide. I don't like it.

/End Rant.

Nic. Post. Or I'm voting you.

[Slaxx]

I just saw Nic posting on another forum.

He has until tonight before I switch my vote.

[Slaxx]

Waiting on Dragonfly's analysis and vote.

I have my vote cocked towards Nico if everyone else in the town is ready.

[Slaxx]

That was kind of supposed to spark discussion.

[Slaxx]

Yup. This thread is dying =O

[Slaxx]

Side Note: Haylen spends a lot of time making complicated graphs but none scumhunting.

/End side note.

[Slaxx]

Dead thread.

Furry, if Nic flips town, what do we do tomorrow with Max? You still think max is scum without Nico being scum? I do, but that one post I felt he was fishing for who they thought Nic's partner was. If Nico does flip town (I'd probably bet money he doesn't) then we should take our time to analyze wagons and such d2, and not tunnel ourselves into another mislynch.

[Slaxx]

Another Side Note: Al's activity has feigned the last few 5 days or so.

/End Side note.

[Slaxx]

Well then. Dragonfly still hasn't posted anything and I'm getting tired of waiting. Hint hint.

[Slaxx]

Side Note: Crypto's last post was a day before I made my case on him.

/End side note.

[Slaxx]

Can I hammer Nic yet town?

I know we're waiting on dragonfly....but this thread is dying.

[Slaxx]

WOW. two minds think alike @_@

[Slaxx]

unvote

Vote: Nic

[Slaxx]

Lol@convo spike after hammer.

[Slaxx]

True, but you said yourself discussion was waning. I think it was time, even with the deadline extension and whatnot. I do agree it would have been interesting, but I still have a strong scum read on that slot regardless.

[Slaxx]

Yes, SFG. I agree. I'm going to reread later today after I finish up homework, but my eye for the scummiest goes to Haylen. I love how my Cypto case was wrong @_@

[Slaxx]

A quick note: Puli's not playing to his original town meta. He's not as aggressive and I have to agree that he's sheeping quite a bit.

[Slaxx]

Right now Nik/SFG are my town reads.
Puli, Al, and SPS are on my neutral reads.
Haylen, Max, Sniper, and Furry are either leaning scum or scum reads.

Yes, I'll get to my cases later, but right now I'm playing the new pokemon XD.

[Slaxx]

I havent used the new pokewalker thing yet because you have to get to a certain point in the game, but i like it so far.

[Slaxx]

If you care to read the rest of the posts Haylen, I said I'd get to it.

Or did you get a little flustered when you realized you were finally on someone scumdar despite trying to blame everything on your meta?

[Slaxx]

Well he's not replacing out and im getting tired of the dead weight.

[Slaxx]

Anyone else notice Haylen and Sniper vote back to back?

Vote: Haylen

[Slaxx]

My cases are not going to be as in depth as the others, and yes, they are still in the works SPS. Furry, you're grinding my gears now. Why would anyone want Sniper alive at this point? Whyyyyy?

[Slaxx]

Al-Leaning Town

He's very informative and questioning, but at the same time he hasnt really given any strong cases while more or less expecting it from others.

Iso 1 Is a good example of good posting content.
Iso 3 is another good one, he's really paying attention.
Iso 9 and 10 are also good.

I want him to give good cases on scum every now and then without being prompted, and maybe post more of his opinions and less questions for others, although questions are very good to an extent, especially his.

Summary: Seems a little distanced when it comes to giving opinions but his content of what he does post is good.

Furry-Leaning Scum

Looking back I think my opinion of Furry might be wrong. Iso 5 and 6 worry me, and Iso 7 might even reek of a save for his scumbuddy.

7 can be read either way though, and I want other's opinions of what they think of this.

8 promises content, gets on me for not having it, but I don't think it ever gets provided.

I like the last part of 11, a good catch here. This is one of the reasons you're on my leaning list.

You're going to give actual reasons for your reads within the next few days or you're moving into my red zone. You've tunneled on Max and he is the only opinion of yours you've attempted to prove.

Haylen-Scum

Loves to post elaborate detailed graphs while claiming she is too busy to scumhunt.

ISO 14 is a wtf moment...Gut votes without any reasons are just...bad.
ISO 32 are more gut reads.
ISO 41 makes me want to close my laptop.
ISO 42 obviously got tired of using the word gut.
ISO 63-64....All that work, but she doesn't feel like scumhunting....Uh huh.
ISO 84 and 85...She admitted to not even reading the rest of the damn post.
Finally some okay content near the end....Haylen, you still have two cases to make. Get on that.

Max

Same as last case. Worried about the bandwagon that exploded on him so fast. If he's scum, the other two scum are on that wagon.

[Slaxx]

Other two scum as the two scum on the opposing team.

I'm glad you're reading though.

[Slaxx]

Also more deflection, nice. Gonna make those last two cases or try to point out flips that aren't there?

[Slaxx]

-slips.

As far as possible Max partners, its none I've come across so far except possibly you. Highly doubtful its Al or Furry.

[Slaxx]

I accused you of trying to be scum in that post, and you criticize my wording of one sentence without even responding to any of the accusations or other content, until surprise, I mention the deflection.

[Slaxx]

-trying to accuse you.

[Slaxx]

Part of the game is cooperating with the town to get more information. Ignoring questions or requests for content isnt good. MY problem with you is you have time to graph posting content and stalk Nik's timestamps and post big long posts on game theory, which means you're not lazy. You're just refusing to scumhunt. And when you're not lazy but refusing to scumhunt (can't blame it on laziness) then what am I supposed to think?

[Slaxx]

Gut votes without any reasons is a redundant phrase I should have abstained from using. Gut votes are just...Bad. Especially after several pages of content.

[Slaxx]

I'm glad you guys value my opinions, but last week was spring break so I'm going to be busier for 8 more weeks. I asked today off (no not for this, don't flatter yourselves) so let's get this done. You guys have to take me to get ice cream afterwards though, or I'll ask the mod to delete my post.

Actually I really don't have too much more too say....My cases on anyone who is not dead yesterday should still stand. Pulindar has dropped rapidly on my town tells. Especially with his last post. Because I FoSed him, he's going to ISO me? Wut? And then ISO Sniper...Like theres anything there TO ISO. He's constantly putting off reads and tunneling on Sniper. And ISO 49 gives it away. Its like a guilty conscience thing....Where did I ever mention him in my posts? Anyway, his cases in ISO 45 are more policy lynches than cases. He's actually a big FoS of mine, looking into his ISO. That post about ISOing me really bugs me, maybe because its targeted at me admittedly, but moreso because he had never expressed any concern about me prior to this. In fact, last time I checked, I was one of his town reads. It's like an OMGUS FoS.

Then of course Haylen. Ive already expressed a legitmate concern for her lack of scumhunting, and the post where she deflects concern off of her and tries to push votes onto Nico just blows my mind. Why are more people not conerned about this? Why is she getting a free ride?

[Slaxx]

Interesting stuff. Lets see what Max, Pulindar, ad Al think of all this.

[Slaxx]

Slaxx has clear logical posts. He is actively scumhunting and trying to catch scum. He has been faily active all game. I can't really fault his logic - the calling me scum thing is getting annoying though. But his opinions have reflected his votes and I don't believe he has tunneled anyone this game. I do however find it weird that he only started being really active and scumhunting when I said he was one of the most pro-town people to me at the time. It is like he is trying to play up to it and keep suspicions off him. This may be the cause for my gut feeling telling me that he is scum now. Remember that scum want to scumhunt too, to ensure that they can eliminate the other scum faction.

Bunch of things wrong with this post. I'll count.

1) If its getting annoying, try rebuttling intelligently.
2) Please quote the instance where I started playing up to my 'towniness'. I believe I had already posted three or four detailed reads on people before you called me town.
3) The too townie fallacy + something I can't help. What you're saying here is that since I am pro town, and someone called me protown, and I continue to be protown, I must be playing up to the role, and that makes me scum. The heck of it is, you're the one who called me town.
4) I feel like this in addition to Puli's comment this is a cheap OMGUS FoS against me that has no real base and has only been placed because I voted you. If you had concerns, why wait until I vote you to start bringing them up?

[Slaxx]

SFG, I'm a little worried about two posts of yours. During my back and forth with Haylen (I think I've had several now) you kind of come to her defense a little too strongly for my comfort. If Haylen flips town (Not really feeling that right now) then they won't bug me quite as much.

One was about some sort of emotional thing, and then one was about the gut read thing. I'm going to go back and ISO vote counts now, because what people do is 10x as meaningful as what people say. It could easily be a null tell, but I'll have to dig them up and see what I think.

[Slaxx]

Reading the SFG/SPS argument I think its kind of strayed away off into another universe. I'll have to pick out anything I find disturbing, but I want them to finish first.

[Slaxx]

Nothing after rereading votes.

[Slaxx]

Didn't say it was over the top. Said it was a little too strong. I think its not each individually but the fact that its happened on multiple occasions.

"With all due respect, I am also a giant ball of exploding emotion and I have meta that shows that Haylen plays significantly better as scum than as town. That said, I would rather lynch Sniper than Nico and since there does seem to be a movement in that direction, I will go along with it. Remember my vote on LC, though. I know he won't be lynched today, but I think my suspicions are valid."

"Honestly, I'm starting to thing Haylen is town because she's playing so badly"

"Frequently while playing mafia, my gut figures out something is wrong. Then about two weeks later my brain catches up and provides me the logical explanation. Unfortunately I don't always have two weeks' leisure to ponder why I have a gut read on someone. Sometimes it takes me longer than that to figure it out. The point is, gut and instinct can and will point you in the right direction most of the time, and the place logic has is in convincing other people of your read. "

When I criticized her for gut reads.

However, this balances it out, along with your voting history:
I...Lost....It....XD Something About playing the n00b card and how it was bad.

[Slaxx]

Anyway Its not as bad as I thought. Like I said I'd dig them up and check your voting patterns and to me they don't indicate any relation to Haylen.

Haylen is still scum, though.

[Slaxx]

Requesting Puli Prod and Mod Prod

[Slaxx]

The world is falling apart methinks.

Haylen is still scum even if she mods, so we still lynch her, k?

[Slaxx]

I think its pretty clear Haylen is scum. Moar votes.

[Slaxx]

I will form a super case later. As of now, though, I think the best strategy would be to lynch one off of each team. I know this isnt under our control, but I dont want a full team down before 1 on each goes.

[Slaxx]

Pulindar was not buddying He's on my scum read but not for that. Puli is just a really waseomley nice player. Read jekyll mafia in the theme section.

[Slaxx]

Pulindar, its time for your other reads besides Sniper.

[Slaxx]

I haven't forgotten about my Haylen case. I want to see puli's read on her first before I post my case though.

If you insist, however, I can post sooner.

[Slaxx]

Making super huge summary of game events and my thoughts on them. First ten pages will be up in a bit.

[Slaxx]

Page 1

Notable events/posts:

Nik's delay on voting
Haylen self votes
Pulindar says

BTW St. Kerrigan I know we talked about it before, but I'd still really like to be a rebel with Haylen. I know you can still switch things around and make that work.

This just kind of makes my gut cringe a little bit. Why not an Arkon? It sounds like he IS a rebel and is dissatisfied with his partner. I don't feel Puli would ever be this obvious so its null for now, but definitely worth noting.

Page 2

Post 31: Nik says Puli is town with no reasoning.
Post 43: Pulindar retracts his vote when the bandwagon reaches L-2. He votes Nik but then unvotes...Votes me for bigger bandwagon.

This also worries me a little. He goes on to say how good bandwagons are, yet he won't stick to one?

Page 3

Post 55: SFG pressures a lurker
Post 57: Pulindar asked Crypto why he was voting for SPS
Post 73: Al hops in and answers RQs, votes, and then is back into the shadows
Post 74: Nic starts the first real conflict with his flak thing

Here we see two of SFG's current suspects hop on opposite bandwagons without much of any contribution. Interesting.

Page 4

Oh, okay. Why would you make an acronym for something when absolutely nobody will get it...? /offtopic

You know what? Nico is probably scum. I know that. I was going to keep some pressure on Haylen to see what happens, but I think that if Haylen is going to make herself super-obvious by active lurking all game (which she usually does as scum, iirc), the best thing to do to encourage that behaviour is to relieve the pressure on her.
Unvote. Vote: Nicodemus.
crypto, I want your opinion on Nicodemus, please.

This vote seems forced. The reasoning behind it doesn't make any sense. Haylen is scum and I have meta and a reason to prove it, but let me vote Nic instead and take a bigger gamble. Why not keep the vote on Haylen and just question Nic?

I think Sanhora, confirmed townie, mentioning that this post made her gut cringe. It does mine too. This is wishy washing unreasoned voting at its finest.

Page 5

With Nic confirmed town, his post 101 makes sense, although he still over reacted to it. SPS did indeed seem opportunistic on the wagon. However, he backs it up with decent reasoning. I wouldv'e liked to see the reason before Nic retaliated, however.

Page 6"

The Nic thing kind of dies down, some meta talk, nothing sticks out to me on this page. What a shame. SFG gives good read here, however.

Page 7

1. I had been asking St. Kerrigan if I could be scum partners with Haylen ever since I heard he was making a game like this. I really, Truly, want to be scum partners with Haylen. It's just a fact, a desire. He told me know, because he was using random.org for the rolls.

nothing else should I really discuss here though.

To me the bolded part implies there is more to the thought, but if that was the end of it, what else would there be to talk about? Once again as SFG said he seems to be subtly suggesting they are not scumbuddies.

In 163 SPS does some hardcore tunneling.
In 173 Sniper plays poissible noob card?

Page 8

Puli votes Sniper, Sniper trolls some. A little back and forth between Puli, Nik, and Crypto. Seems that Puli is going after easy target but he promises us some content so we let him go.

I think I'm losing focus, I can't find much content on the last couple pages.

Page 9

Lol at the last part of 203.

In Post 224 SFG is worried about someone thinking her vote is OMGUS, this doesn't seem like a good reason to avoid voting for someone.

Page 10

In post 231 Nik seems concerned about Puli having two votes.

So far, rereading very carefully, I think two out of Puli, Nik, and Haylen are a scumpair. Some of the feeling is gut, but I think I made some okay connections there.

Puli/Haylen for the subtle distancing, Nik/Haylen for the illogical transition vote from Haylen to Nic, or slightly less likely Nik/Puli for the post above. I think, in retrospect, her defense of Sniper might not have been a huge deal.

I don't see much as far as the second scum team, but Al looks like a good candidate at this point in the game along with one of Max or SPS.

[Slaxx]

Any Reason in particular?

Or are we just trying to keep from being prodded?

Its like pulling teeth with you isn't it.

[Slaxx]

Max, what do you think about my analysis? Go reread the Haylen wagon. Once she got to L-2 Nik unvoted her and jumped on the Nic wagon with faulty logic. Opinions?

[Slaxx]

Haylen/Nik and SPS/Al

[Slaxx]

@Sfg: I'd totally be up for a Nik lynch.

[Slaxx]

"suppose if max flipped town"

[Slaxx]

SPS what do you think of my little Haylen-Nik connection?

[Slaxx]

Pulindar and Nik have both dropped off the face of the planet.

[Slaxx]

Puli, my arguments against you last game were because you were waiting forever to post content...This time its because you are tunneling on Sniper, and me, one of the people who is suspecting you. Saying I used similar arguments, is first of all, a total misrep. Second of all you accusing me of misrep is totally false. That is your quote. I did not change it. I am not the only one who thinks this way about it either, but once again, your tunneling on me and Sniper has prevented you from seeing this. Thirdly, I dont remember you ever giving an explanation of why Haylen was town, if you did, please point me to it. All I remember is the same thing you're saying right now. Pulindar, you really haven't posted much content still. You haven't given any clear cut suspicions except for 2. There are 4 scum you know...You're only giving out two possibilities...I'm assuming you know the other two already?

Anyone who wants to see my scum meta can go to Jekyll Mafia in the Mini Themes, its the only one I've played as scum so far.

@Al: I'm getting to you too.

[Slaxx]

"suppose if max flipped town"

"If you are not on the Max wagon, insert the name of the person you are currently voting for instead."

(Although I should've realized you were working off of that assumption since you did include Haylen among your scum.)

SPS what do you think of my little Haylen-Nik connection

I disagree with your assessment. I think the basic idea was to give Haylen enough rope to hang herself. If you suspect that Haylenscum would act a certain way when not under pressure, it's a good idea to remove the pressure. Probably shouldn't have made it explicit, especially since she had good reasons to vote Nico anyway, but seeing as Haylen has been active-lurking I sincerely doubt it was coaching.

You don't think the timing of it was a coincidence? Another controversy had JUST formed and Haylen was at L-2 (I think, might be 3)

I find it very convenient.

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We've been over the fact that its obvious both factions were aiming for partners. That logic is terrible. LC nor Dragonfly (Especially Dragonfly)had very good reads on anybody and quite frankly weren't a threat. Neither were protown, neither were heavily adamant about anyone's lynch. Factions aimed for each other. You're solidifying the thoughts I've been expressing over the past page or so.

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A replacement with no reads (Dragonfly) and a softspoken semi-lurker (LC) are not threatening townies.

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If its a choice between Max and Sniper then I want a sniper lynch, but I'd much prefer a Nik lynch or a Haylen lynch.

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My gut is screaming Haylen....Anyway, I'm up for a Nik lynch since the Haylen thing isn't working. Gah.

unvote

Vote Nikanor

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I miss your great narratives Saint.

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Its kind of like pseudo-lylo already is the point max is trying to make, I think.

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Neither. Nikanor or nobody.

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Max is like my 5th scum read and sniper can exzplode for all I care, but I don't think he's scum. I can't hammer on my backup-scum read or a null read when I know that there are better options and this might be town's last chance to take control. I want to lynch Puli, Haylen, or Nik today.

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^ More of that.

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Lynch Nikanor death, SPS is her scumpartner. /1 quarter sarcasm.

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Don't tunnel though Death, if you see anything that completely blows your mind that we missed about somebody than point it out, please.

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Thank you very much Saint =)

MOAR NIK VOTES

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Furry is a slight town read for me.

SPS, vote Nik.

Deathnote, vote Nik.

Don't make me get the paddle =/

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More votes on Nikanor.

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More votes on Nikanor.

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I'm feeling SPS might be her parter.

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Speaking of Tunnel Vision, Deathnote, got your other FoSs sorted out yet?

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=/

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Good morning my fellow townspeople.

vote SPS

FoS Pulindar

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To recap: 3 Scum remain, and 5 townies. I know I am pointing out the obvious but w.e. With our VI still plaguing the village, its pretty much 4:3. Im pretty confident SPS was scum with Nik due to his behavior on the BW yesterday, but my other suspect is either Puli or Deathnote.

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I have explained my case on you Puli. Your lurking near the end of the day doesn't help.

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I have nothing more than what I already presented during our back and forth and my ISO over the first ten pages of the game.

Simply giving town a list of suspects with actual cases and reasons on someone other than Sniper would help.

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Well Haylen=Deathnote right?

Once again my first 10 page overview, you can find my suspicion there.

Puli, ive read that scum game you were in with the masons, and ive played with you as town too, but I don't feel you're playing to either of your metas, really. This is what bothers me.

I guess what we need now is another kind of quick list on suspicions from people. I'm pretty confident about SPS scum, regardless of Nik connections. I am also pretty sure of Deathnote Scum. I'm still searching for my last suspect, however.

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lol@ extra I. Sorry about that.