Open 205 - Medical Mafia - Game Over Too Soon?

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Before I comment on the game so far, I'd like to point out the irony of my name (Dr. Bio Hazard).

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First off, I want to say that while I believe mykonian's plan on page 1 is bad, I don't think it's scummy. I have a feeling that scum are on the initial mykonian wagon.

While kyle not wanting to put mykonian at L1 early isn't scummy. The fact that he FoS'ed mykonian for a nonsense reason is.

XScorpion is pinging on my scumdar. His early posts are short and neutral. His calling down of mykonian for BS reasons are also suspicious.

Please people, try to keep posts short, my eyes are rolling into the back of my head and I'm only on page 3.

Alright guys, I still think mykonian is possibly scum. Trying to focus on only the night-action instead of scumhunting is scummeh.

Of course anyone is

possibly

scum. And why is suggesting something for the setup on the first page "scummeh"?

Light's comments in the first post on page 4 are restricted to the setup. That's scummy.

Why is looker trying to get a danny wagon instead of asking for replacement?

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These text walls of crappy meta are really getting under my skin.

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Scaring people? Nigga please.

Tell me, myko, what am I manipulating? Besides, my case on you is very much scumhunting.

I'm not one of those people obsessed with political correctness, but did you really need to use that word?

I know I'm going to catch heat for saying this (from looker), but I think the case on Disco is BS.

Scorpion's recent lurking is noted.

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Now, let's look at that early BS mykonian wagon:

Mindgamer, Disco, Scorpion, (kyle gave FoS)

^I bet there's a scum in that list, and I think it's scorpion.

I'll go back and look at him more closely now.

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Scorpion's first few posts don't really say anything, besides that he likes the RVS. He jumps on the crappy wagon and then when asked to defend it, gives this absurd reasoning.

On a side note, I don't think I've heard anything scummier than this yet:

Mykonian wrote:
Well, it seems like our night strategy will be more important than our day discussion.

This just screams scum to me.

Why does this scream scum? With the amount of night actions we have, it actually has a degree of truth to it.

After that... there's not much. I'm not sure if he's V/LA right now or just lurking, but he's been coasting by for 9 pages.

Vote: XScorpion

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I know I'm going to catch heat for saying this (from looker), but I think the case on Disco is BS.

Needs explanation. From Kyle99 as well, please.

OK, sure.

Let's go back to the looker accusation.

He's the only one that avoided remarking on my push for a Danny wagon...

Well, first off, your danny vote was kind of a WTF vote. I really don't know what more could have been said besides "why aren't you requesting replacement?"

Plus, this isn't entirely true.

and bandwagons Light. That is just weak.

Says the one who wants to bandwagon danny?

I know this was actually directed at mykonian, but it is a comment on the danny wagon.

...and he hasn't done much the whole game other than sit back and watch us vote each other. ScumDisco has a pretty comfortable position right now. Nobody's noticing him.

Without going back and counting the posts, it looks to me like he didn't post as frequently as you or mykonian, but I wouldn't call him a lurker.

No, no, no. You want people to notice you.

I didn't know that wanting to be the center of negative attention is a towntell.

Again you're thinking with the mindset of a scum. A townie is scumhunting, posting quality content et cetera. A townie does not care how he looks like, he cares about finding scum. But you are thinking that not doing scummy things makes you look like town. Huh? Seriously, when I'm playing a game where I'm town, like this game, I'm thinking 'how can I find that darn scum!'. Not: 'Have I been scummy this game?'.

This would be valid if that's ALL disco had been doing this game. He was just defending himself against looker's crappy argument.

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Why are we calling me crappy when I never voted Disco? Is this leading up to something?

I'm not calling

you

crappy, looker. I'm just calling your argument crappy.

You made the accusation of disco being scum, the vote wasn't needed.

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@BioHazard: Why do you think Kyle keeps disappearing?

This has already been answered.
Aside from the jump on the early mykonian wagon, kyle actually looks pretty town to me.

We need more scorpion votes.

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Light is beginning to look more new player to me than scum player.

Unvote: Light. Vote: XScorpion.

Saying this basicly makes him clear from you the entire game, right?

'Oh he did something scummy, but he's a new player, so I forgive him.'

I personally don't like the 'newbie' excuse at all. How are you planning on acting if Light keeps being suspicious/questionable?

This is making me rethink my position on disco.

It doesn't help that he was on the crappy second page mykonian wagon.

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It doesn't help that he was on the crappy second page mykonian wagon.

Bio, elaborate please? I don't see why the wagon was crappy.

Because it's founded on the faulty premise that mykonian's suggestion was scummy, and not just bad. Plus, it seems like mykonian was the early easy target.

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Sorry for not posting, this weekend was busy for me.

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Looker is trying to eliminate the town read I have on him, apparently.

Since Kyle appears to be generally not around instead of lurking,

Unvote: Kyle99. Vote: Biohazard.

Something in my gut doesn't like this guy.

Neither I nor kyle posted between your kyle vote and this post.

What changed?

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I'm suspicious of Bio Hazard right now, though, because mostly what I recall him doing is pushing for an XScorp lynch, with a brief interlude of why Disco is a crappy lynch.

... and what about this is suspicious?

I'd like to know why Disco is good with a kyle lynch, but he's not voting for kyle. I'd also like him to quickly summarize the reason for why he's voting Light.

Like looker, I'm also confused as to why scorpion includes himself in the list of people to lynch.

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... and what about this is suspicious?

IIRC you're pushing on XScorpion for trying to coast by in this game, when your behavior resembles his. Seems a tad hypocritical to me.

If I was trying to coast by, why would I have defended disco?

And don't bring up WIFOM, either, it's a valid question.

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Kyle lurks. Lurkers must be lynched while we can.
Light I have already talked about in previous posts, so far I haven't liked any of his posts. He hasn't been doing a lot and had suspicious elements through all his posts.

I'm not voting Kyle because I want to hear more from Light atm.

Why does the vote guarantee that you'll hear more from Light?

Because a scum tactic I've seen used before is to have a scum player defend a scummy-looking town player so if/when scummy-looking player is lynched and flips town, scum player can say "See? I told ya so."

I was just saying what I thought of the Disco wagon at the time, but I can see why you're thinking this.

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@disco:

Why does the vote guarantee that you'll hear more from Light?

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That doesn't answer the question. Why will the vote make light talk?

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You said you think your vote on kyle won't do anything; I'm asking why you think your vote on light will.

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So, why are you pushing for a kyle lynch?

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So why not just wait for kyle to be replaced?

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It seems like SaintKerrigan likes to hop hop hop his vote for little to no reason. However, he never votes for DiscoRoboto despite FoS'ing him. Interesting, one would assume there are more than enough reasons to hop hop hop to DiscoRoboto a few times. Why not? Is it perhaps because you don't want to vote your scumbuddy?
Also, take a look at how SaintKerrigan adds (again) to his FoS in ISO 42. He voted multiple players twice (XScorpion even thrice) but never added something like that, even though a vote is way more important than a FoS.

I'm not voting Disco right now because there's more people to look at than just him. I've also had a town read on him for most of this game (that's slowly starting to come apart) and generally I don't vote my town reads. You'll notice that I haven't voted for you or Mykonian, either. Does that mean I'm scum with you or Myko? No.

This reads like a bad post from Mindgamer. I don't know if I'd call it scummy, though.

Why is it a bad post from Mindgamer? I think he made some valid points.
You might not have voted MG or myko, but you also never fos'ed them.

Remember that StK had a gut town read on me (like most people) before I got put into the center of attention, I think he's still clinging on to that.

What was the purpose of this post?

More to come soon...

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How is it a bad thing to analyze it?

This.
But the reason I thought it was a bad plan was because it might be giving the scum a good idea of who to kill.

@SK: I know you said this before, but could you please summarize (in 1 sentence) why you're voting me?

Because his sole reason for thinking I'm scum is based on the idea that I FoS'ed Disco but never voted him.

I actually think that's a good reason. In this game, it's not optimal for scum to bus since doing so would put the one scum against five doctors, one vanilla, and one nurse. That leaves the FoS as the primary way for scum to distance themselves from each other.

Because they haven't done things yet that I consider worthy of a FoS. Disco has.

I was pointing out that this is a false analogy:

You'll notice that I haven't voted for you or Mykonian, either. Does that mean I'm scum with you or Myko? No.

Revisiting disco's last post...

Remember that StK had a gut town read on me (like most people) before I got put into the center of attention, I think he's still clinging on to that.

I don't get this post. This looks to me like disco is prompting SK to come to his defense. I wouldn't have really thought much of this post, though, if SK didn't do exactly that in the following post:

I'm not voting Disco right now because there's more people to look at than just him.

I've also had a town read on him for most of this game (that's slowly starting to come apart) and generally I don't vote my town reads.

You'll notice that I haven't voted for you or Mykonian, either. Does that mean I'm scum with you or Myko? No.

This reads like a bad post from Mindgamer. I don't know if I'd call it scummy, though.

I know you qualified the whole message with "that's slowly starting to come apart," but you still backed up disco's previous post.

Also, I think you can be "looking" at people other than who you're voting for.

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I don't like the early mykonian bandwagon.
The speed at which it happened makes me think its fueled by scum.

I agree.

Because of:
1. The early jump onto the myko wagon
2. Having a vote on Light while asking for a kyle lynch
3. His reaction to SK taking his vote off of Light
4. His most recent post and interaction with SK

Unvote
Vote: DiscoRoboto

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Hope you get well soon.

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I'm voting for you right now because of your push against XScorpion for hypocritical reasons.

I take back what I said earlier, I don't see why this reason is valid.

Please explain more in depth.

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Hey, Looker, did you see this?

Care to flesh out that vote with more than a quote? As far as I can tell, you're doing the exact same thing I'm doing.

Did you see this?

I'm voting for you right now because of your push against XScorpion for hypocritical reasons.

I take back what I said earlier, I don't see why this reason is valid.

Please explain more in depth.

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At this point, I think we need to claim all our targets tomorrow and treat this like a game of Dethy.

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Of all the roles I could have gotten, I got the

one

vanilla one.

Happy birthday, phaen.

Good job XScorpion.