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Not at all? I think people often give more leeway to players they are friendly with. I know that I have done it before and I certainly dont' have the relationship that the scumchatters do.crywolf20084 wrote:
Indeed we are a close, but i don't see why that would get in my way at all.VP Baltar wrote:crywolf, do you feel you'll have any kind of bias toward the other scumchatters? You guys are a close-knit group.-
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I'm fickle like that I guess. I also don't think I've ever had any real sort of interaction with cayke...so what better way to start it off than with a question.poptajo wrote:Nah, its just noticeable that you asked a group question to only a specific player. Why not having dodge's opinion, for example?
Yer.JD wrote:The only thing I am sad about is that Shanba couldn't join
Where are the noobs? I'm starting to think it's time for MS and scumchat to join forces and lynch the non-posters.YOUR AD HERE
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Do you think people would actually quick lynch you because you're a scumchatter and not the first to confirm?Xdaamno wrote:
The quicklynch thing.VP Baltar wrote:
Who is this referring to specifically and what exactly are they doing that you hate?Xdaamno wrote:I hate it when you guys do this but I don't expect it to change.-
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Oh, I have an opinion on it (which I'll get to here in a second), but I didn't know we're on a mandatory disclosure policy. Are we? No one asked my opinion, and I was gleaning much more information by not stating it.Hyl wrote:I also noticed that you didn't give much opinion on the wagon, yet you're asking everyone to comment on it.
My opinion is probably closest to yours. While I do think some of his answers have been a bit off and overly self-aware, I'm uncertain if he's scum. He seems much too openly confessional for an early game scum.tajo wrote:Hey, baltar what do you think of the daamo wagon?
When he and I played together in EK's Amnesiac Mafia he made some similar errors of putting his foot in his mouth and I greatly exploited those as scum to get an early mislynch on him (I'd post a link, but the thread was deleted as part of the game mechanics).
you would.Vi wrote:I like Hyl's post/vote, and not just because it's on our favorite perennial scum candidate.
Really? Why's that? I don't think many people could get confident reads by page 4.Qoog wrote:I’m reading Vi town right now though, if it means anything.
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Well, you're scum, so I think you have an unfair advantage at the town reads game.
Also, if you have no idea how many games they have played together, then how can you make a value judgement that it'd be easy for her to have a read on Vi based on past experience?YOUR AD HERE
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Well, my definition of confident is apparently different from yours. I would never call someone town on page 4. I think doing so means you are somewhat confident in your read...otherwise you wouldn't state it in thread.
Scum I would probably say early, probably, but even that is mostly for pressure and highly likely to change as more information comes in.YOUR AD HERE
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Well, considering I think it's a somewhat meh wagon, I was able to watch the way other players were interacting with it (which is why I was asking for others' opinions on it) and try to figure out who was legit with their attacks, who was just being silly and who was trying to sneak on an easy wagon.Hyl wrote:VPB, what extra information did you get my withholding your opinion?YOUR AD HERE
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I assure you daamno, I'm a lad cut from the most upstanding cloth. If I ever took your daughter on a date, I'd be sure to pull her chair out and everything.
In seriousness, I'll actually catch up in this thread today after some scrambled eggs and coffee.YOUR AD HERE
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Why do you think she'd be biased? I don't see anything from her posts that suggest that, so please elaborate on this.Xdaamno wrote:Vi's pushing it here. It sounds plausable that your mini-fallacies are because you're biased.
Actually, I think I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt a great deal. These kind of pity party posts don't make me want to continue, however.Xdaamno wrote:I can't remember much about how I played in that game. I'm probably thinking things through more, but the dominating feeling that stopped me playing mafia - people never being willing, for one reason or another, to accept my logic - is still here.
I haven't seen probing questions from you at all, actually. I don't even know who your suspects are really other than a pretty obvious OMGUS on Vi.Xdaamno wrote:I'm not going to manufacture comments for your benefit, because it's not nessecary at this stage. I'm going to post about what interests me and make a point to go out of my way to sometimes ask probing questions, as I have been doing.
As I already answered, because you said it. Why say you have a town read if you aren't very confident in it? What purpose does that serve?Qoog wrote:Although it has already been addressed for the most part, do you mind clarifying exactly where I said I was confident that Vi was town, VPB?
You should vote him. He's obv scum and apparently I'm the only one who sees it.tajo wrote:I really dislike Howard's 96:
I'd like to hear this from people with experience as well. She's intentionally playing to be unreadable and I don't like it.tajo wrote:Does Dizzy always play like this?
(Happy B-day, btw, Dizzy!)
citation needed.Cat wrote:OK, I dislike playing with Xdaamno because of what's going on right now. Yes, he's definitely scummy, but he's almost always scummy acting.
Why? I don't see the attacks falling along those lines at all actually.Cat wrote:Also, the collision of veterans and newer people makes this game slightly more difficult.
How would nay-saying a wagon help it build? And I don't control what other players do, but I'd say that if they had the same intentions as me (which I'm not sure of), then saying something early wasn't a bright move.Hyl wrote:How would stating your stance on the wagon earlier have compromised this information? Especially since a few other players had identical views to your own.
Why do you think I'm scum again? Just a bullet list is fine.
What are your thoughts on HowardRoark?
Playstyle lynches = scum tactic.hyl wrote:If I had to lynch someone other than VBP it would Izzy, only because I'm the least fond of her play-style.
That's pretty much skitzer's MO, isn't it?cayke wrote:Correct me if i'm wrong, but i smell someone that'll prob be replaced leaving us with nothing from her.
+1Vi wrote:@JDodge: Check in, please--
links please.Xdaamno wrote:I want to talk about this. I agree that I play better on scumchat, but... this is just how I am here. Certainly moreso as town than as scum, if you read any of the games I've played in the last year or so.
I don't think it's obvtown or a great post tbh. The Vi vote is pretty pointless (and if Otto really is an alt of someone with experience, then I'd expect a hell of a lot better than that). Asking for an explanation of your behaviour from players who know you is a slightly better effort. The last line of it is pretty nonsensical.Xdaamno wrote:VP, what's your opinion on this post? I think it's obvtown.
So how are you actually making a value judgement on the case if you haven't even really read the thread? Why not wait until you're fully caught up before you comment?Otto wrote:I also read hastily the last bits of the game to get an idea of who is suspect, and to be honest I don't see that great of a case on Xdammno.
Sorry for the long post. I'm caught up now. More commenting from people who aren't Vi and Xdaamno would be nice.YOUR AD HERE
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Don't feel obligated to. I appreciate a good alt. I think you stating you have 20-30 games on site is sufficient for my understanding.Otto wrote:I bet if I revealed myself, I'd have two automatic votes on me, just for being me
I'll think about it, for now I'm just gonna play the game.
Well, I think there are merits to both. If you feel the Xdaamno wagon is scum driven, then of course we should be analyzing there. However, if you think it's town driven, then I don't see it as completely unlikely that scum would stay off and mildly poke at an opposing wagon and garner town points if daamno flipped town.Otto wrote:Do you think there is any chance at all of scum trying to push a competing BW for the sake of confusion, or should we be analyzing the xdaamno BW?
Depends if I believe your motive. Jury's out at the moment. This might help me decide though: do you think your wagon is scum or town driven? If the former, who do you think is most likely to be scum on it?Daamno wrote:Yes, the vote was partly because he was voting me - as I said, I wanted to see if he would abate. But that's certainly nothing to do with the literal definition of OMGUS - do you stand by this?YOUR AD HERE
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^This highlights exactly why you are scum. You're essentially outlining how you plan to question daamno and gradually switch your vote to him after you were against it initially.Otto wrote:It doesn't mean that my vote is just magically gonna go on him, I still don't think he's scum as of yet, but I'm curious to why you felt the sudden need to attack me, becasue the above quote doesn't cut it as it isn't accurate.YOUR AD HERE
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What policy change is that? I still don't think town would have much for mentionable town reads by page 4 and Howard is still scum. Not seeing whatever you're getting at here.JDodge wrote:VPB wrote:
Well, you're scum, so I think you have an unfair advantage at the town reads game.VPB wrote:
Really? Why's that? I don't think many people could get confident reads by page 4.
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Greatly disliking Baltar's reaction and I am disappointed in you all for not noticing this immediate policy 180.
No, scum love to exploit playstyle lynches. Check any game that zwet or DGB or anyone with a different playstyle is in. When they are town, it is only a matter of time before scum come knocking for that easy mislynch.JDodge wrote:VP wrote:
Playstyle lynches = scum tactic.
Bad play tactic, try again.
huh?JDodge wrote:Unvote, vote: VP Baltar
Step it up, buddy.
You should really learn to read intent better.JDodge wrote:Or the explanation that actually makes sense is that he plans on getting his facts straight before jumping to conclusions.
I don't even understand what you are trying to say here exactly.JDodge wrote:VPB wrote:
I don't think you know who you're dealing with this game.
Jump jump jump jump jump JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS
EVERYBODY DO THE JUMP
That was certainly a lot of snarky comments in lieu of scumhunting JD. GJ.
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An abridged history of HowardRoark for your consideration:
1-confirm, immediately plays noob card
2-jokes about being called on noob card playing
3-random vote
4-questions the xdaamno wagon, seemingly not understanding it
5-votes xdaamno, accuses Qoog and tajo of trying to derail wagon, says a player could have town reads if they play together enough
6-answers my question, continues to have a theory debate over town reads with me
7-continues theory debate
8-still going
9-asks cat for "thoughts on anyone"
10-@Dizzy-what's the slip?
11-explains why he finds certain xdaamno posts scummy, which is better, but i'm not seeing scum motivation in a great deal of what he is saying.
Also says JD town read is because he hasn't done anything "anti-town"yetHoward wrote:Xdaamno's 60: Playing as town does not require "running through several layers of town thought."
Xdaamno's 77: Meta defenses are weak.
Xdaamno's 78: I guess this one could go either way. I was reading this with the taste of the others still in my mouth.
ADD post 151: Waffling. How is a post obvtown, but not that strongly?
12-apparently agrees with some contradiction JD is claiming to have pointed out (still waiting for explanation here)
That's it folks! Scum coasting outside of the fray if I have ever seen it. Vote now.-
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Actually, that's a very poor and baseless inference to make.JD wrote:You did not specify initially town reads, and furthermore it can be inferred that if a read in one direction can be obtained solidly that a read in the other direction should be as inferrable at said point.
Appeal to experience is a fallacy. Even noob-scum knows that playstyle mislynches are the easiest to execute. reference: Policy lynch thread currently in MD.JD wrote:And it is more often a poor playstyle tactic. The number of times around the block that I have been compared to you makes my word more informed than yours.
Now, why would I ever say you're making snarky comments instead of scumhunting?JD wrote:Either you're scum or playing terribly. Step it up. Prove me wrong.
etc.JD wrote:Then learn to think and/or read.
etc.JD wrote:F-
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I never called you scum, nor did I say you were pulling a gambit. Now vote Howard.Xdaamno wrote:Also VP I suppose you are saying that I might be pretending to forget the cop claim as a gambit (unless you think scum is more likely to forget that fact than town,) which is similar to what tajo is talking about, but I do advocate the position that I basically suck at mafia. Two such gambits in a row would be a bit too creative, don't you think?YOUR AD HERE
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Of course I am. Your fame has always made me jealous and I'd like to bring you down a few notches.Xdaamno wrote:
Out of interest, what was your point with that post then? It otherwise just seems like you're trying to defame me.VP Baltar wrote:
I never called you scum, nor did I say you were pulling a gambit. Now vote Howard.Xdaamno wrote:Also VP I suppose you are saying that I might be pretending to forget the cop claim as a gambit (unless you think scum is more likely to forget that fact than town,) which is similar to what tajo is talking about, but I do advocate the position that I basically suck at mafia. Two such gambits in a row would be a bit too creative, don't you think?
(also I'd like to throw in a pre-empt for you saying 'Now vote Howard' at the end of your next post - I'll think about it, but I'm busy now.)
Anyhow, voting Howard doesn't take thought. It's very zen. Justbethe vote.YOUR AD HERE
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No, I seriously to want JD dead. He's scum.Xdaamno wrote:Now that I think it's been made so obvious, VP, I think you'd do better for the possible town players that don't realise and just come out and say you're just pressuring JD. If that's the case, of course.
lol. what from JD has been a "case" against anyone? He made some snotty remarks that were extremely vague, and when asked for clarification he failed to provide. His posts look more like busy work than actual scumhunting. Please point out what from his posts you think is good and makes you believe him to be town.porochaz wrote:see above and generally jdodges play has been town compared to those mentioned above. Daamo case has been explored to death. Cayke, backseat play, aggressive, just above contentless, lurkering now. Cat, fence sitting, usual knee jerk reaction to whenever skitzer is playing, lurking as well. Howard, whats he done within the game? Hyl needs to post his own thoughts without needing to be prompted. Qooq needs to post.
All better than JDodge who has given cases and content which generally given off a town vibe and as far as I can see there is not much of a case against him.
I think the primary mover here is the facade of what he actually has posted. Lurking isn't really the main point against him, though it doesn't help him in anyway.porochaz wrote:JDodge is probably one of the most town here, not only that in regards to lurking you have the town worse than him. The only time he has lurked within this game is recently and I have no problem with that provided he posts soon like he posted today but even then when it really only comes down to lurking it is an extremely poor lynch.
Why are you "pushing this shit" all of the sudden? Last I checked, you were just following my lead on it. You should follow straight over to the JDodge lynch.Xdaamno wrote:HR lynch. I'm pushing this shit. His reaction to the wagon didn't make me feel any better (or worse, if you will.)YOUR AD HERE
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Oh hai! Good to see people are at least looking at this thread. Feel free to respond to this while you're around:
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lol. what from JD has been a "case" against anyone? He made some snotty remarks that were extremely vague, and when asked for clarification he failed to provide. His posts look more like busy work than actual scumhunting. Please point out what from his posts you think is good and makes you believe him to be town.porochaz wrote: see above and generally jdodges play has been town compared to those mentioned above. Daamo case has been explored to death. Cayke, backseat play, aggressive, just above contentless, lurkering now. Cat, fence sitting, usual knee jerk reaction to whenever skitzer is playing, lurking as well. Howard, whats he done within the game? Hyl needs to post his own thoughts without needing to be prompted. Qooq needs to post.
All better than JDodge who has given cases and content which generally given off a town vibe and as far as I can see there is not much of a case against him.YOUR AD HERE
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