Open 196 - Desert Mafia Over!

[Haylen]

Vote ZachRulez.

Sorry, Zachypoo

^.^

[Haylen]

Actually, nah.

Unvote, Vote Haylen

Claim: Lynch Immune Jester Death Miller, lover with a Night Kill Immune Surviver.

[Haylen]

Also, what changed your mind Haylen?

Thought I might try and prove the lynch immune Jester thing.

[Haylen]

That's not nice! I get more serious later.

Why did I do it?
Because I am a newbie. Yep. That's right! I'm playing the newbie card!

[Haylen]

haha. I've constantly been in about 2 games since I joined.

[Haylen]

I was joking...

[Haylen]

Dammit

Unvote

I never could work out how many it took to lynch, even though I know the formula.

Don't want a quicklynch, presuming Farside's town. Either way, not risking it.

[Haylen]

I dont know, a 2 man scum team. That was presuming Farside isnt scum.

[Haylen]

Aye. But you never know. I'm just safe guarding.

[Haylen]

I know it is. I just cant do maths when i need it.

[Haylen]

Day Kill Zachrulez

[Haylen]

lol, voting people who changed votes in the RVS. Amusing tactic.

unvote vote The Tracker

Mine was also not random, but for a different reason that Zachs

[Haylen]

lol, voting people who changed votes in the RVS. Amusing tactic.

unvote vote The Tracker

Mine was also not random, but for a different reason that Zachs

Only reason i can think of.

Why did i vote The Tracker, Zach?

[Haylen]

You will all be lucky to get a post before 4.30 tomorrow. I must do my coursework. And hand it in at 4pm tomorrow.

[Haylen]

Was that your reason?

Heh, see I thought you're voting him because he voted twice in the RVS. Every game anyone's done that (voted twice), they get penalised for it.

I was making a point by voting twice whilst it was still the RVS.

[Haylen]

good good ^.^

I like starting games with a few votes on myself.

[Haylen]

Lol, wasn't i bandwagoned for non serious stuff earlier? Why are you ignoring that?

[Haylen]

*shugs* You just dont appreciate my Unlogicality.

[Haylen]

what was the question again? Zach, im showing complete apathy with everything right now.

[Haylen]

lol, voting people who changed votes in the RVS. Amusing tactic.

unvote vote The Tracker

Mine was also not random, but for a different reason that Zachs

I was making a point by voting twice whilst it was still the RVS.

How do you define a random vote? Also, what exactly was the point you were making and why did you choose to vote The Tracker to make that point?

Lol. I never random vote, I make a vote that is guaranteed to get a fun reaction such as voting for someone, then switching my vote to myself and making a ridiculous claim. I don't see it as the RVS, as such, for me it's more of a 'Let Hayl loose on the game and hope she doesnt break anything' stage. During the RVS, I do everything that a scum player would do later on in the game in amusing, taking the piss ways. Fake claimings my favourite, self voting, playing the newbie card (recent development) and being generally hypocritical; which is what I was doing when voting for Tracker, I slapped Zach's wrists mockingly and then did exactly what I was half heartedly telling hum off for.

Why did I choose to vote The Tracker? Im a complete nutter.

[Haylen]

However, I know Haylen's play style intimately.

Very creepy way of putting it, Zachypoo. O.o

Haylen before today hadn't posted in 3 days, and before that post 3 days ago hadn't posted in 3 days before that.

Saturday = A rare time when Haylen posts in her games due to the horrific work commitments of Saturday and Sunday.

Before that? *shrugs* the game was too slow, I've been busier than I predicted and I suck at prioritizing.

Haylen hasn't scumhunted. Haylen hasn't really done anything other than joke around and defend herself a little bit.

You've played with me enough to know I don't do much except for muck around and joke around in the early stages of a game. I find it difficult to analyse people and scumhunt Day One, due to the lack of information available. You know this and you know that I'm a much better player after Day One. So why attack me for doing something you know I do as town, Zach?

[Haylen]

You may think that I haven't been doing anything or any scumhunting, but I've been metaing the lot of you and reading through your previous games if I don't have logs on you so I can create logs on you.

[Haylen]

However, I know Haylen's play style intimately.

Very creepy way of putting it, Zachypoo. O.o

Haylen before today hadn't posted in 3 days, and before that post 3 days ago hadn't posted in 3 days before that.

Saturday = A rare time when Haylen posts in her games due to the horrific work commitments of Saturday and Sunday.

Before that? *shrugs* the game was too slow, I've been busier than I predicted and I suck at prioritizing.

Haylen hasn't scumhunted. Haylen hasn't really done anything other than joke around and defend herself a little bit.

You've played with me enough to know I don't do much except for muck around and joke around in the early stages of a game. I find it difficult to analyse people and scumhunt Day One, due to the lack of information available. You know this and you know that I'm a much better player after Day One. So why attack me for doing something you know I do as town, Zach?

This was my reply Farside.

[Haylen]

Hehe. Everyone. Even Jmj, who hasnt completed his first game yet, once he flips in that game i'll get a good idea of him.

At the moment, I don't like Zach, because he appears to be twisting my meta. Cat needs to post more. Farside appears to be trying to scumhunt which is good. Jmj, I need to see him post more before I get a good read on him. And everyone else I've forgotten is in the game, off the top of my head which isnt good.

Overall, it's very slow paced.

[Haylen]

Please bare in mind, Zach, that your statistics are bias due to the fact that I've been playing more newbie games recently and I wouldn't dream of doing what I've been doing in a newbie game. Also, I've been scum more recently that I've been town.

Plus, Zach, you're analysing my meta all wrong. I've reacted relatively the same in every recent game i've been in scum or town. Your're analysing the overall game, try analysing the first few pages of my games.

[Haylen]

Swine Flu Mafia - I lurked as town (one shot doc). Active Lurked.

Alternative 9p I was town, this is where the self votes and weird claims started. Actually, it's worth reading that whole page to see where the whole damn thing came from.

Jungle Republic Lurker town Haylen.

There are two other games that I cant link to where I was town as they are ongoing. Read the New York section of my Wiki.

Good enough?

[Haylen]

Oops. Forgot about this one. Utopia Mafia it was mod abandoned just after the RVS stage.

[Haylen]

What's the point? If I start posting like I usually do after about 8 pages now, I'm just gonna be accused to playing up to how i've played in my other games.

[Haylen]

Newbie 859: Talk about looking at someone completely different from the other links mentioned. It's like black and white.
She scum hunts, writes long and indepth thoughts and oppinions (of course she is replacing someone here)

MAYBE that's because, as i've previously said, I find analysing people easier when I have a lot of informations ie after day one, or at least 10 pages into the game. I find it difficult to play as town especially early in my games.

[Haylen]

Go check and see if I was attacked in any of them. I tend to put defending myself before scumhunting due to a self preservation thing. Always done it because I'm the only confirmed townie to myself. To me, that's 1 out of (number of players) who are confirmed town.

[Haylen]

AtE = I'm particularly emotional at this moment in time. And there is no such thing as Appealing to Emotion. If I write something emotional, I don't expect anyone to be like 'ooh she's sad, we mustn't attack her for a while', it's up to the reader how they take my posts and how they let it affect them.

Sarcasm = So what? I'm not happy right now. Havent been for a week. I let this affect my play and it's not something I regret.

Jokes = Whatever.

[Haylen]

Unvote, Vote JmJ3000

Instinct.

[Haylen]

Aswell as the fact that he once told me if he was scum he'd be completely lost as he's only played as town previously. Do you see him posting or scumhunting?

I also don't like the fact that the entire "case" on me is based on meta. I disagree with meta being a conclusive 'oh she's scum!' type of thing, considering for the next 8 or 9 games I'm going to be mucking around with my playstyle just to screw over Zach and Maemuki (I would be doing it to try and screw over Incognito, but something tells me it wont work since he seems to know when im town and scum anyway )

[Haylen]

*sigh* im doing a PBPA, I don't like doing them this early in the game, so expect it to be brief on each player.

[Haylen]

I may even give you all a bit of STD.

[Haylen]

Zach, did you just ignore the fact that I said 3 posts above yours that I'm writing an analysis?

[Haylen]

Exactly, it's catch fucking 22. Whatever I do will be scummy. Because of meta.
You know what? Screw it. I'm doing my PBPA at 10 pages, like I usually do. Believe what you want.

[Haylen]

Tracker, why in your tenth post did you accuse Jmj of OMGUSing but never follow it up?
Why have you just followed everyone's opinions on me?

Questions to ask Cat's replacement:

1. In your opinion, why did Cat not post?
2. What was the focus on Jmj?
3. Was it early distancing?
4. Are you scum with Jmj?
5. In your opinion, using evidence and diagrams if necessary, who is the scummiest player right now? Who is the least scummy player?
6. Do you see meta as a good sole reason for lynching someone? Why? Why not?

[Haylen]

You shouldn't be afraid to ask people questions. What I'm trying to find out is whether his replacement feels the same way as he did about jmj ect. I'm not trying to get people to read minds at all.

[Haylen]

I'm not going to condemn him/her for saying 'I dont know.'

[Haylen]

*shrugs* Im gonna ask whatever questions I want. Scumhunters questions shouldnt be limited. I'm sick of people saying other people are scum just because they don't play in the way that is 'right', I'm not going to conform to the expectations of the mafiascum society. People will realise this once they lynch me enough as town. I'm not changing and nobody can make me.

He told me a few days ago when we were discussing mafia as a whole. We weren't discussing the game if people are going to try and insinuate that. I'd never break the rules.

[Haylen]

He told me a few days ago when we were discussing mafia as a whole. We weren't discussing the game if people are going to try and insinuate that. I'd never break the rules.

I'm just curious to know how you know JM and why the comment was brought up. Could you explain a bit on how you know JM and the why this was brought up?

Lol, he came in scumchat once and I decided to have a convo away from the rest of him. I helped make his wiki and stuff, and give him a good introduction to MS. I do that with a lot of newbies. The Tracker will tell you that I made his wiki page too. I'm a surprisingly sociable person. More recently, we've got talking about our own experience at mafia and it turns out he's only played as town on another site and that he'd be completely lost if he was ever scum.

No more info about private conversations!

[Haylen]

Would everyone like to hear the story of how me and Zach know each other? It brings tears to my eyes...tears of laughter hahahaha.

[Haylen]

I hate evidence I can't look up...

How confident are you in your read of jmj Haylen?

About as comfortable as I usually am with my reads on Day One. I get as much info as a can from wherever I can get it and that's the best I can do. You know, you arent going to get a really good answer from asking a player who thinks they suck, how confident they are about something...

[Haylen]

Zach, if you were scum again and I was town. How would you play it to prevent me from knowing?

[Haylen]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... c&&start=0 <--- haylen's most recent town game. Look and be amazed that the chaos and horror i caused when given a gun.

[Haylen]

Haylen "trying" after the fact doesn't count as me messing her meta up to that point.

That question she asked me was loaded as hell too...

I'm sorry, I don't like the way you trapped me like that. No matter what I did you could've just said 'Oh Haylen's scum for not doing anything!' or 'Great now she's been called out on it, he's playing up to her town meta'

I still don't know what my town meta is!

As for that question. I think it needs answering.

[Haylen]

Hayl, isn't your meta something like if everyone jumps on you and votes for you, you're Town and if no one suspects you, you're scum? Or was that someone else?

*facepalm*

...Yes...

That's the evaluation Incog once gave of it.

I've yet to work out why

[Haylen]

I didn't trap you into not scumhunting.

What value does your question to me actually have to this game? How is it going to actually help you find scum?

Yes you did.

I'm just trying to get into your head as to how you would act towards me if you were scum this time. Cause by the pattern, you should be around the 'call haylen scum whenever you can' part. We've had outright buddying in Patrick's newbie game. Just saying i'm town every so often in Incog's fast game. It's going down a scale.

[Haylen]

I didn't trap you into not scumhunting.

What value does your question to me actually have to this game? How is it going to actually help you find scum?

Yes you did.

I'm just trying to get into your head as to how you would act towards me if you were scum this time. Cause by the pattern, you should be around the 'call haylen scum whenever you can' part. We've had outright buddying in Patrick's newbie game. Just saying i'm town every so often in Incog's fast game. It's going down a scale.

Which is you trying to match my play up to a pattern of how I approach you in a game vs actually figuring out whether or not I'm scum. Your approach doesn't even seem to take into account the fact that I could actually be genuinely suspicious of you.

*shrugs*
Due to my recent failures, I'm trying to think outside the box a little bit more. I noticed a pattern, I told the town. See? It's called analysis.

[Haylen]

I agree with what Farside says with regards to The Tracker. I feel that he is just jumping on people without giving proper explanations to things such as why he is suspicious of me, just following the crowd.

[Haylen]

Can we have a prod on Jmj3000, he hasnt posted in nearly a week.

[Haylen]

Confirm Vote JmJ3000

Don't lie.

[Haylen]

If you lynch me today, I want you to lynch Jmj tomorrow because I can almost guarantee you he is scum for that lie.

[Haylen]

And also...i have the top post.

Vote count please, Mod

[Haylen]

I hate you for having the top post >.>

And you should be very glad that Im not into post private convos.

[Haylen]

Cat unvoted.

[Haylen]

I know.

Haylen's Fourth Rule of Mafia: Don't write more than one PBPA in one day.

Considering how long it takes me to right them, it'd be 4 hrs later by the time i finish it which would be 1.30am. Aint gonna happen lol.

[Haylen]

Haylen's Fifth Rule of Mafia is: Don't Start a PBPA after 6pm.

[Haylen]

I am pleased to announce ABR is replacing Cat, effective immediately. Due to this, I am extending your deadline by one week to February 10th, 1:45AM EST.

Yes.

[Haylen]

Please explain why joking around is scummy, since I stopped once I got more into the game?

Zachrulez: Pointing out to Haylen how her play was painting her as scum, almost as if he was trying to protect a scum buddy.

Zach didn't point out why im scum for the benefit of me, he tried to get me lynched by misrepping my meta. So the accusation of coaching is illogical.

[Haylen]

Please explain why joking around is scummy, since I stopped once I got more into the game?

Zachrulez: Pointing out to Haylen how her play was painting her as scum, almost as if he was trying to protect a scum buddy.

Zach didn't point out why im scum for the benefit of me, he tried to get me lynched by misrepping my meta. So the accusation of coaching is illogical.

Sweetie don't think your off the hook here. I read the meta and I agree with his analysis even with your own post and links on when you are town vs scum. It's completely two different people. There was no misrep of your meta.

No. You read a newbie game and compared it with a non newbie game. I play completely differently there.

[Haylen]

disregarding your newbie game

sorry, forgot that part.

I shall have a PBPA up tomorrow. Even if it's just half of one.

[Haylen]

Uh ok. I'm gonna need to do a full reread then. Regardless of whether or not he's scum, and i think he is.

[Haylen]

Can we hear me out before we, like, decide to lynch me?

As Jmj said, I was telling the truth about that convo with him, he misremembered. I did not lurk, I just didn't post that much. When Zach was saying I haded posted in 3 days, that was over the weekend, when I rarely post anyway due to horrific work shifts.

I didn't start scumhunting properly til Zach pointed it out because, as he knows, it takes me ages to get into some games. Usually, i either stop joking between page 4 and page 8 depending on the players. Sometimes I can't scumhunt cause I'm busy defending myself. I can't multitask in that department, cause I dig myself into such a deep hole that everyone's attacking me and if I attack back, I'll just be accused to OMGUS. See where I'm going here?

[Haylen]

tracker and you?

Zach, who is town?

[Haylen]

Lots of excuses and none of it gets us closer to our objective but it looks busy and is quite self-serving. Not to mention she hasn't posted again since then...hmm...

First of all. Don't call me IT, I am a person contrary to popular belief on MS. Everyone may else may just think every other person on here is one insignificant dot on a site that is another insignificant dot on the internet, but I don't. Everyone here has lives, families and real feelings.

Yes, I was defensive when the day began. Why? Because I pushed for jmj's lynch quite hard yesterday and it's lylo and I don't want to be lynched in lylo.

Also, come off it, I haven't posted in the game since YESTERDAY.

Yes, I am very self serving in my games. I have this little self preservation habit especially as town. Would you like me to link you to previous posts where i have admitted this?

I call a Tracker scum.

[Haylen]

Haylen post before that happens though as she seems to have slipped off the radar again.

Go away. I'm ill.
Bla bla bla. Active lurking. Bla bla bla. Reading the thread. Bla bla bla. Posting as soon as someone calls her out on it. Shut up. Coincidence.

I dont mind a Tracker lynch. He's played significantly differently than he did in my newbie game where he was a vanilla townie. And the whole activity thing someone mentioned on the other post on the other page where people couldnt hammer and stuff.

I dont think im going to let Zach bus his partner here.

unvote Vote The Tracker

[Haylen]

nope.

Zach?

[Haylen]

*pokes back*

Let's poke farside! ^.^

[Haylen]

Think Haylen's most likely Tracker's buddy.

That's all and good, but tell me. How do you know that Tracker is scum?

[Haylen]

Think Haylen's most likely Tracker's buddy.

That's all and good, but tell me. How do you know that Tracker is scum?

You're reaching.

And you are being silly. ^.^

Scumslip alert!

[Haylen]

You won't be laughing after I flip sadly.

Lol scumslip AND appeal to emotion. When the town is likely to be just going into lylo/mylo? (someone correct me here, my maths is baaaaaad)

[Haylen]

Lol, I haven't active lurker. I've lurked, sure, but not active lurked. I've told you i've been ill and have had a rough few days. My newbie game had 3 pages outstanding in votecounts cause i was too bummed out to do anything.

You also know it takes me a while to get into games, and that i dont do very well at all on the first day. You also know that i'm very very weak at defending myself and scumhunting. So who would the best person for you to go after? Me. It's obvious, really.

[Haylen]

Lol, I haven't active lurker. I've lurked, sure, but not active lurked. I've told you i've been ill and have had a rough few days. My newbie game had 3 pages outstanding in votecounts cause i was too bummed out to do anything.

You also know it takes me a while to get into games, and that i dont do very well at all on the first day. You also know that i'm very very weak at defending myself and scumhunting. So who would the best person for you to go after? Me. It's obvious, really.

After the point you made on jmj that got him lynched, which was obviously a lie, there is literally almost no chance that you are town.

Zachypoo, you remember Jmj actually admitted that he was mistaken with his story after he checked his AIM archieves? Would you like me to find that post for you. Quit lying.

[Haylen]

What is your strategy in lurking in all games you've played?

When I first started playing, there was no strategy behind it, it was more me being shy. As time went along, it evolved into a strategy to prevent people from getting a meta read on me for when I was scum or town. Now, in regards to me and Haylen: I have talked to her about many things, mafia being one of them. I was talking to her about my past experience with forum mafia when I made the comment that I have been town in all the games on the other site.

I did not think I had said I would be lost as scum, but after reading through my IM archives, I apparently did say that

. I don't think lost was the right word, more like thrown off. I have some experience as scum, but not enough to not panic if I got scum. When I panic, I post lots of posts with either lots of pointless filler or lots of posts with little to no content. I also panic when under pressure and do the same things I do when I panic as scum, no matter if I am scum or town.

[Haylen]

I could say that too. I compulsively kill and hammer as scum. I compulsive kill townies as Vig too...wtf is wrong with me!

[Haylen]

Maybe I just like killing things.

[Haylen]

I could say that too. I compulsively kill and hammer as scum. I compulsive kill townies as Vig too...wtf is wrong with me!

Oh btw, i could've hammered Tracker earlier, so dont go getting any ideas from this post Mr Zachy ^.^

[Haylen]

BED TIME FOR HAYLEN!

*goes to sleep*

*goes to her real bed.*

[Haylen]

oh, btw, glad you enjoyed my little taking over of the geezers queue thread, Farside ^.^

[Haylen]

Give me 10 reasons, at least, why i shouldn't vote either of you right now. You especially Zach.

[Haylen]

I'm more interested in lynching scum. I want to get it right for once. 50:50 chance. Logic = Zach. Instinct = DRK.

[Haylen]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 44#2101644 <--- suck it Zach, I was scum there. Your meta theory still work?

I WAS scum with Tracker, I would have been on that bandwagon shoving that bus off a cliff.

WIFOM

[Haylen]

Oh stuff, it, my plays been godaweful for the game anyway. Might as well go for the ultimate.

Here's a little test.

Vote DeathRowKitty

Instinct.

[Haylen]

Heh, i've always wanted to test players alignments like this.

[Haylen]

Considering you didn't hammer, you are now confirmed town to me.
Which mean's my instincts were correct again and DRK is scum.

[Haylen]

Zach, I am telling you now, if you vote DRK now, you will win the game for the town. Yes, I told you I was going to reverse my playstyle. Without reference to any game, I also told you my town play will look like my scum play because I've managed to almost perfect my scum play, but the only way I could change it for the moment, is by playing in the reverse.

I'm town Zach, a bad bad style to play for a townie I know. Go and re-read DRK and you'll see I'm telling the truth here.

[Haylen]

Farside was the cop, I was the obv cop target after my Day One play. I'm pretty sure she investigated me.

Argh, the only way I can defend the pressuring thing is with meta. I wouldn't randomly hammer my buddy as scum, try to lead a lynch on him, yes. See Newbie 825 where CSL was my scumbuddy and everyone other one of my scum games.

Yes, that was a risky move, testing your alignment by voting DRK, no it's not an anti town thing I did there. It was anti-game. If you had been scum, I would've had another town loss added to my wiki, that's nothing unusual, you cant learn if you win everything. But I was right, you're town. My instincts were correct AGAIN. And I have to follow them this time. Remember what happened with Elli? I sent in 8 vig kills rather than 4, because I changed them all from Elli, My instincts told me he was scum, because I didn't listen to them, the town lost.

I suppose I'm asking you to trust my instincts just once and have another town win added to your wiki.

[Haylen]

Ah, I didnt know that. REALLY need to pay attention to things.
Heh, i thought you were sure im town DRK?

[Haylen]

1. She called it 50-50 to keep her options open, using blanket statements of logic and instinct.
2. When asked about her "logic", she appeased Zach by voting me instead, despite implying at the start of the day that she was leaning Zach.
3. She tried to sell farside as having investigated her and is practically looking for Zach to quickhammer me in her back and forth with him.

I actually LOL'd then. You wait for this before looking for everything that could possibly make me scum, typical scum play in order to get a townie lynched in lylo that is.

I called it 50:50 because it was either go with my gut instinct or logic. As i specified in that post. Obviously, it's now very clear that you're the scum here.

I didn't appease anyone except myself. I took a chance. Decided to vote based on my instincts, since Zach hasnt hammered, it looks like they were correct again. It's the first time I've listened to them in a game except for Utopia Mafia, where I pegged 2 of a 3 player scumteam on page 2 based on instinct and wouldn't let go of them til the mod officially abandoned that game.

I didn't try to sell anything, I genuinely couldn't connect between her thinking me or zach are scum but not us both being, and her investigations. Before you ask, I'm not thick. It's something I believed at the time and I now retract it. Go for it, call it backtracking. Not much else you can do now that Zach is confirmed, all you can do is backtrack on everything you've said about me being town and strawmanning everything I do now.

[Haylen]

i REALLY wish you had killed me during the night, you know. I lost the will to live in all of my recent town games that are over.

[Haylen]

also, I LOL'd cause I knew for sure the post was coming from the words of scum. Which made it hilarious to me, considering i've never actually had a confirmed scum and confirmed townie to me before.

[Haylen]

All i can say at 2am is whatever.

I really don't care anymore. I'm town, Zach's town, you're scum. There's not really much point in trying cause Zach's already decided I'm scum due to his meta on me - which is pretty twisted actually. I've decided to replace out of any future games im town in cause quite frankly, I suck. So what? I CAN'T do it.

Now come up with your crap case against me.
Call me scummy.
Say I'm using appeal to emotion.
Say I've lurked all game.
Call me hypocritical.
Do whatever the hell you like.

Remember it's all lies though.

Proxy my vote to Zach

. Zach can decide who's scum. He hold's all the power this game. I hope he uses it well.

[Haylen]

It was the fact that you twisted my meta and they way you reacted to pressure during twilight yesterday.
But now that you're confirmed town to me, that's obviously negated.

[Haylen]

You asked why we thought YOU were scum earlier in the day

[Haylen]

.__. Poor Zachy Is he ok?

[Haylen]

HUZZZAAAAAAHHHH! TOWN!

[Haylen]

Lol, did you really think i'd be stupid enough to proxie my vote as town?

[Haylen]

*scum

*facepalm*

[Haylen]

Lol, I wouldn't do that. I rejoice at scum wins form me, I'm really really blunt about it.

A town victory is extremely rare.