Open 192: SCIENCE Mafia, Finished

[wolframnhart]

Hello all! Happy to help out and replace into a game here.

I have a question(s) from my read through.

SK, Malp claimed he believed you and Myo to be scum, yet you claim Malp to be your day mason. Was this even a serious claim? It would seem odd for your apparent day mason to even remotely link you to being a scum.

[wolframnhart]

I believe he means Flare is a ready to replace if someone leave replacement.

[wolframnhart]

Ah yes i typed the initials wrong, thanks for pointing that out Myo.

Question goes to SC.

Also Myo if you have narrowed the list of suspects down to Cat or Mr why did you not vote either of them?

[wolframnhart]

But see I am not 100% sure that SC and Malp are the day masons, only because it is so odd that Malp would suggest that SC would be scum, so I haven't cleared them off my list.

But then again no one has counter claimed so maybe it is truth *shrug*

[wolframnhart]

Sc would never do what as town?

[wolframnhart]

>< you are right SC, I already got you and the person i replaced mixed up once, looks like I did it again, lovely...

I am beginning to wonder about something myko. As far as I have been able to tell, you believed StK to be scum. Why do you now believe her (now me) to be town? So much so that you state it twice:

Stk now wolframnhart: Town

and here

just take this with you for the next day: Wolf is town. That should help in Lylo

Vote count

mykonian (3): StrangerCoug,malpascp,Pomegranate
Pomegranate (1): Cat
Cat (1): SaintKerrigan
malpascp (1): mykoanian


Not voting (1): MrWhereItsAt

[wolframnhart]

Alright, i didnt forget this game exists. Anyone voting for myko want to explain the intentions on the Myko wagon?

Someone could ask me some questions while i reread, i feel like i have no idea whats going down here.

Six pages in and you have no idea whats going on and have to read again?

[wolframnhart]

Was that the hammer??

[wolframnhart]

Hmm so the scum waited to the last minute to send in a kill, and they didn't touch the claimed mason team.

Townies- Strangercoug, Malp, myself

Scum - Cat and Flare

GG town wins.

Vote Flare

[wolframnhart]

Hmm so the scum waited to the last minute to send in a kill

I can confirm this part, but not the rest.

LoL you don't even have to confirm this part.

Noting that Deadline IS TOMORROW, at about 4:00 PM EST. And the mafia STILL HAVEN'T SENT ME AN ACTION.

Had you not posted that I would have never known.

[wolframnhart]

just throwing this out there, i noticed Malp being replaced in a game (or two?) so unless Strange has confirmation he is around he might need to be prodded/replaced.

[wolframnhart]

Lets see

A)The way you hammered
B)Because Strangercoug and Malp (now Pulindar) are the masons, and I am the VT, which leaves you and Cat as the scum pair.

[wolframnhart]

EBWOP Trumpt is mason with Stranger, Pulindar is your scum partner.

[wolframnhart]

it is true, A is just icing on the scum cake.

And yes Pul i noticed that, which is why i made the post right after it. And i laugh that you would be "hammering my bus" since it is your bus you would be hammering.

[wolframnhart]

Let's put it this way, they are the real masons.

Why?

because no one counter claimed them

The most likely situation of why they were not killed?
Because Cat was not around to tell Flare what a mason means. Flare barely sent in a night kill in time, and picked a random person, completely missing the obvious kill of a mason he should have done.

[wolframnhart]

I think this would have been easier for a town win if Malp had been a bit more active.

I can agree with that.

Also it is going to be all up to Stranger at this point, hopefully he will see Myko was right in his call on me being town.

vote Pulindar

Fixed the quote.

[wolframnhart]

I'm Alive!!

Then again, Wolf you would have been a fool to kill me and leave both masons, that would have led to a definite town win.

Well, Good Game Wolf, I'm enjoying it. I'm voting for you though, and just hoping that StrangerCougar sees the truth.

Vote: Wolf

I think this would have been easier for a town win if Malp had been a bit more active.

Vote count

wolframnhart (1): Pulindar

Not voting (2):StrangerCoug,wolframnhart

With 3 alive it's 2 to lynch!

Strangercoug is there anything you want to ask me before you vote?

Also I am quoting this because i think it is important. Why would Pulindar come right out and first thing say "I'm alive!!" he is calling me a smart player so yes of course like he said if i was scum why would i kill him and leave the two masons up, it's a moot point, just something he is trying to push on me to make me scummier. Of course the same reasoning he gave to him being alive applies to me being alive. It's a pointless post and the "I'm Alive!!" part screams scum.

[wolframnhart]

Pulindar,

Yes, a good scum reason for either of us to have killed off Strangercoug would have been because his mason partner was inactive. Had either of us as scum killed off Strangercoug then with Malp being inactive he would have been replaced. The replacement would have had to go back through the thread, look at everything, and probably would have been easier for either you or I to manipulate. Stranger on the other hand has been here this whole time, knows what is going on, and can make the best informed decision.

[wolframnhart]

You know that is a good question, and a difficult one to answer.

I would hope by your logic you would see how I have played so far.

I did not try to throw suspicion on your mason claim as Pulindar did Day 2:

I'm still not 100% sure that those are the real masons, mainly due to the activity amount I saw on the forum so far. Malp never even confirmed that they were daymasons, AND neither "Mason" died during the night. That seems a bit suspicious to me.

At that point two of the three town members were dead, leaving two mason, a VT, and two scum. You were never counter claimed, so why would it seem suspicious?

I doubt this truely answers your question but as i said, it is difficult to tell a person to go with their gut (assuming your gut means to vote Pulindar) and ignore logic. If for some reason one of my posts has made you think scum in your logic please point it out so I may explain before you drop the hammer on either of us.

[wolframnhart]

Strange, don't hammer either of us yet, let me look at something on Cat.

[wolframnhart]

OK I went back and looked at Cat (whom Pulindar replaced) and noticed nothing to build a case on, which is Pulindars advantage here. The only time Cat even mentions Mr. Where Its At (whom Flare replaced) is here:

How is it already an endgame situation?

Unvote: Cat. Vote: MrWhereItsAt.

I fail to see how this was worth a vote. However, I also think the followed votes by mykonian and StrangerCoug were unnecessary as well.
I think everyone is just a tad bit jumpy.

And then mykonian and StrangerCoug, who had just agreed on Saint Kerrigan, jump on each other for doing the same thing. DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!

mykonian is votehopping like crazy, and I don't like it.

good, pome, how often were those votes on popular wagons? once.

This is Page 3 of a 7p game. Popular wagons shouldn't be occuring.

Pome's voting density argument

Pomegranate wasn't arguing the ratio of votes to posts. Your three votes are sandwiched in between Pomegranate's first two. That means they happened in a much smaller timespan than Pomegranate's did. That is votehopping.

Vote: Mykonian

After that there is not much but answering questions to myko and the myko vote. The only other thing I can even say is that aside from Flare saying he "went with the town" when he voted Myko, he also voted where his scum partner did.

I realize that is not much, but unfortunately that is all I can find to try and build any kind of case.

[wolframnhart]

*sigh* Coug, really logic should have told you I would have been a better scum player then that....

GG to Pulindar.. town looses.

[wolframnhart]

For shits and giggles I will still answer Pulindars question.

Yes Pulindar, even though I know my position etc, if I was in Stranger's position I would have voted for you, only because had I actually thought about it, I would have known WRH (me) would not have made the mistakes the real scum (you and flare) made, though I know the real mistakes lay with Flare and not you.

[wolframnhart]

I figured this was going to happen. Even if Pom hadn't died I would have figured Cat and Flare for scum because of Flare's hammer and because it took them so long to send in a NK. If Ani hadn't put up in the thread (and I don't think he should have) that the scum hadn't yet sent in a kill then I would have had a tougher time had Pom not been the kill.

[wolframnhart]

Also

Shame on you stranger!!!

I am insulted you think as a scum I would send in anything but a mason kill, especially a strong player like you, who would have been gone on night one without hesitation.

[wolframnhart]

During the night, the 2 remaining mafia huddeled to decide their kill for the night. Should it be StrangerCoug, the claimed mason? malpascp, the lurker? wolfamnhart, the newbie, or Pomegegranate, the girl? Or the other, more myserious two? They decided they would throw yet another vial - this one pink, and very syrupy- at the unfortunate victim, but who was it going to be? In the end, they decided pink was a girl's colur, and they would give it to the girl. They quietly slipped next to Pomagranate and gave her the pink vial. Her lips sealed shut and her airway blocked. She immediatley woke up, but couldn't yell scream or anything. After a half hour, she was dead, and the mafia went to sleep.

Ya know, had i paid more attention to the Night Kill scene that Pulindat pointed out here end game, this would have been in the bag. Ani did you realize you named off all but the scum characters?

[wolframnhart]

i would rematch as well