Open 191 - Paris Mafia II (Game Over!)

[Looker]

vote xRECKONERx

cuz I'm pro-big girl

[Looker]

Let's lynch the first half of the player list. 2 scum out of twelve people, we've got 1/6 of a chance so let's lynch six people, starting with flinter.

unvote
vote flinter

[Looker]

Being truely random with a dice roll avoids me being subconsciously drawn to a name, avatar, quote, join date, whatever.

It also allows you to vote without having to come up with a reason for voting.

You don't need a reason to vote that early.

um flinter.... you DO know that there's such a thing as a joke vote right?
in the beginning of the game, you have no knowledge on anything so you place votes to get reactions often and reads... heaven forbid you were one of those people who got voted, huh?

Unvote

since you're being a spoilsport

Don't cry, vote.

I hugged Cat when I realized who she was. I suggest she.. gets a cat for an avy.. duh!

BTW guys I'm voteless townie so I won't be voting at all this game.

I say we lynch you. (If you're not going to vote, of course)

I also want to add... if Kise ends up being a goon, I'd bet anything at least 1 if not more of Xscorpion, kyle99, and Mylynes are mimes - a mime would know right now which faction kise is. Especially given this new information:

Mod - If the goons die first and the mimes survive, will town win right away?

No.

If I understand this correctly, if the mimes eliminate the goons and the vig (or at least identify the vig to RB), they can auto-win via being unable to be nked, since the rules state that no-lynch is not an option while the mimes survive. I.E. the town would have to lynch either town or the mimes. Lynching mimes makes us lose, lynching town delays losing until the mimes hold voting majority. So mimes have an incentive to eliminate goons.

That also means I disagree with flinters vote on Xscorpion. I don't see any goon incentive to eliminate a mime if kise is a mime. also not sure if kise is a goon, that his scumbuddy would be so quick to bus knowing they are only a 2-player team.

So, actually, I'm going to have to say that kise's claim is very beneficial to us... we vig him overnight either geting rid of 2 mimes or 1 goon, and thanks to the wagoning, I would have to say

its not very smart to lynch any of the 3 who wagoned - odds are they're either mimes or town, regardless of kise's allignment.

That means today's lynch choices are narrowed down to {flinter, reck, xofelf, cat, rhinox, gerty, dry-fit, and looker}

Kise, since you've already claimed scum and you almost certainly will die tonight unless the vig gets blocked, mind making it easy on us and telling us who your partner is?

·

You say this under the assumption that Kise is scum, correct?

·

There is no partner, Rhinox; it's a gambit.

Kise is possibly not scum, especially since his joking "lol idc" attitude tends to show up a lot when I play with him. No homo.

Sure, vig him, I don't care. I definitely don't like the bandwagon on him, though.

OK, that makes sense. I don't like the bandwagon on him either and we agree to vig him. The only thing that changes from my end is that if kise is town, that reopens the possibility that Xscorpion, kyle99, and/or Mylynes could be goons.

I'm thinking Kyle99.

Ah, didn't realize Mime's were like jesters,

unvote

.

You couldn't deduce this from the Role PMs posted on Page 1?

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We need to rally up a bandwagon/lynch of some sort or we'll get nowhere.

unvote
vote Kyle99

[Looker]

Vigilante is going to kill Kise then? OK.

unvote
Vote: Kyle99

Ah, didn't realize Mime's were like jesters, unvote.

Major ignorance and/or feigning ignorance are not cool in my book.

Either way it goes, we're looking to Vig mimes and lynch goons, so, Kyle, I don't understand how your mime-jester correlation affects your voting. What did you

think

they were? Why did you unvote?

Went back and read the role PM's.... Taken at face value, mimes can't win exclusively. If they both get lynched, they are removed as threats to the town. So, even if the mimes get lynched and fulfil their win condition, we can still fulfil the town win condition by lynching or vigging the goons. At least, if I'm understanding the win conditions correctly.

Mimes have every incentive to lynch goons. By removing goons, they eliminate 1 threat of being nked and losing. If they manage to kill/block both goons and the vig, nothing can stop them from achieving their win condition. So theres more to it than just playing like jesters and trying to get lynched. I guess it comes down to whether we want to win as town exclusively or if we don't mind sharing the win with the mimes as to whether or not we lynch them. It seems best to just ignore the mimes and try to lynch and vig the goons because if both goons are gone we win it seems, we just have to share the win with the mimes. A win is a win as far as I'm concerned.

- I don't want second place.
- I don't think they'll play along as long as our Vig is living.
- Let's stick to the simple stuff first, we don't want to confuse anyone. Neither do we want to extend a psychological (WIFOM) edge to other factions.

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Let's lynch some scum.

[Looker]

In regards to the 2nd place concept, I was supporting the Lynch Scum, Vig Mimes MO in stating that we shouldn't lynch mimes and come in second place after they're gone. I was also expressing doubt in the belief that they would help us if we still have the means to beat them, ie Vig, in which case it wouldn't be a shared win but a Town win if the Vig did her job.

I didn't take into account the possibility of killing off both the goons D1; however, if this were to take place, I'm pretty sure you'd be right, though I think this too far into the future to be considering without input or analysis from anyone else.

[Looker]

You are a

Mime

along with your fellow Mime, XXXX.

Each game night you may communicate with each other here: XXXX. In addition, each game night you may PM me the name of one player to roleblock, and the Mime who will perform the roleblock. All night actions by the blocked player will not occur. You will not be informed of whether or not a block successfully alters the events of a night.

You win when all Mimes have been lynched.

Please confirm you have read and understand your role by PMing me.

This isn't indicative of a goon, Kyle. It's not indicative of Mafia at all.

Vigilante is going to kill Kise then? OK.

unvote
Vote: Kyle99

Ah, didn't realize Mime's were like jesters, unvote.

Major ignorance and/or feigning ignorance are not cool in my book.

I'm sorry it was ignorance, but I don't see how "major" it is. When I was reading the role PMs, all I got from mime's were that they were a second set of goons who could roleblock at night. How is that scummy?

Who do you think is scum?

[Looker]

I'm considering him a quasi-newcomer. As such, I could see a newcomer . His play in other games tips me off to how he'd play

Let me ask this though: If he's a goon (since the general intention is not to lynch mimes) how did the deduction come that he's scummy for thinking mimes are with the goons? If he's feigning ignorance and knew I was a mime & he's a goon, why would he want to help me reach my win condition before his?

While I strongly disagree with your confirming both Kyle99 and Mae Ling as town based off "their reactions", we

are

going to need a competing bandwagon (or several), so feel free to pick someone.

And as far as the second paragraph, I can't make cases based on someone's competence or the lack thereof. There's no way to prove it.

[Looker]

Reck's right.

@Kyle: Who do you think is scum?

[Looker]

Mae Ling? So that's an alt? I don't see a Mae Ling in the memberlist though.

Turns out the dude's name is Mylynes....my bad.

[Looker]

Because you're not

[Looker]

...he is

[Looker]

Lol I didn't know you were in Jebus' game. (@Looker)

Went back and read the role PM's.... Taken at face value, mimes can't win exclusively. If they both get lynched, they are removed as threats to the town. So, even if the mimes get lynched and fulfil their win condition, we can still fulfil the town win condition by lynching or vigging the goons. At least, if I'm understanding the win conditions correctly.

Mimes have every incentive to lynch goons. By removing goons, they eliminate 1 threat of being nked and losing. If they manage to kill/block both goons and the vig, nothing can stop them from achieving their win condition. So theres more to it than just playing like jesters and trying to get lynched.

I guess it comes down to whether we want to win as town exclusively or if we don't mind sharing the win with the mimes as to whether or not we lynch them. It seems best to just ignore the mimes and try to lynch and vig the goons because if both goons are gone we win it seems, we just have to share the win with the mimes. A win is a win as far as I'm concerned.

If town, this is you throwing in the towel. If mime, this is you trying to butter everybody up to feel sympathetic for your faction. I'm not getting a goonie reading from you so there is no

If Mafia

scenario I can come up with.

But on second thought, I think directing the vig has an advantage. The watcher can see him do his work and in turn can confirm who the vig is. If mafia is ballsy enough to target the same player at night, then that creates a stand-off for down the road. But having a public stand-off with the mime faction alive only lets them know who they should roleblock. Still, vig-directing is a good way for the watcher to confirm him

Right now, Gert is chilling in the cut too much with questions & info. Scorp still rubs me the wrong way since he knows more about these roles due to being in the previous attempt of 191. Reck knows me well, but it's our companionship that cost him day-night mafia when I was scum so he shouldn't always trust me. You guys already know my stance on kyle, mylyn, and Mimox. Cat needs to get busy. xofelf says "um" a lot. Flinter is too nice and I almost want to bring her a basket of chocolate chip cookies.

Looker is coming up with logical ideas, but I got a weird hunch about him -- wish I had meta on you.

Did I get everybody?

Æ

I'm sorry, Kise, but we're actually doing that to you tonight.

Æ

You shouldn't need meta, Kise.

Nupe. It was the fact you thought I was Asian and you got an incurable case of the yellow fever so you tried to lay in bed with me.

^_^

O goodness! 0.o

what is wrong with being nice, Kise? I don't think one has to be hostile to find scum, nor to argue. Arguments, esspecially in a game, should be held politely, as to avoid people having no fun.

Further, I am not so sure about Kise anymore, and Xscorpion, who has shown almost no town behaviour (he did in the other game), just hopped for the next wagon.

The problem is, I held him to be a smart guy, and I have no idea if he is scum or a mime, because it is good jester behaviour not to pull attention to yourself, but be scummy. That way, you won't ring any bells, and people think they found you. However, on this moment, I think it is more likely he is scum.

and looker, off topic, who is that in your avatar?

Don't give into the psychological assault of WIFOM; lynch someone and go from there - we'll be here all day trying to psychoanalyze every player.

And, regarding the avatar, I don't even remember the Google keywords, but I know it's this guy's avatar on Gamespot.

Mae Ling? So that's an alt? I don't see a Mae Ling in the memberlist though.

Turns out the dude's name is Mylynes....my bad.

Lol sorry for having a confusing name. Never had anyone call me Mae Ling before though.

@Kise - So are you going to be voteless this game or not?

@Kise - Vote and we'll see if the Mod counts it.

Kise, stop fucking around.

Vig, please kill him.

Mylynes, don't feed the fire.

Rhinox is likely scum.

What are you doing, Reck? Now it looks appealing to lynch you and then Vig Kise regardless of your alignment.

Reck's right.

@Kyle: Who do you think is scum?

Depends on what you think is scum, do you mean scum-mime or scum-mafia?

I think kise is Mime, and I don't think anyone is mafia yet, because the game is just starting. What I don't understand is the bandwagon being built on me just because I voted Kise and didn't know what a mime was, especailly

since someone else did the exact same thing and got no suspicion.

I mean scum-scum. Mimes aren't scum and we're not dealing with them right now; everybody's too confused. And, regarding the bolded, are you referring to Mae Ling?

Rhinox is likely scum.

ummm... why?

Doesn't matter why - refute it.

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We need some votes from Mae Ling and Xoxelf, as well as some suspicions from Kyle, Kise, and Gerty.

[Looker]

@Kyle
I wouldn't stress it if I were you, it's just that you came after him and reiterated what he said. Naturally, this makes you look scummier because he performed the act (unvote) first, but it's nothing to get upset about. If anything, I'd say you push a case on Melinda and see where it gets you.

[Looker]

It doesn't. (Don't take the bait!!)

[Looker]

Damn it, Mylynes. Dude, let's seriously lynch him right now simply for his name. I'm game.

unvote
vote mylynes aka melinda aka mae ling

[Looker]

I think claiming not to know what a mime is is a mime tell. So far kyle and mylynes have done that.

I don't like how Looker is desperately looking to push a bandwagon on

anyone

that he can.

I'm confused, what exactly

is

a Vig?

I wouldn't call it desperate, but there's only one way to start the game. You know that.

[Looker]

@MYLYNES:
I don't think he's going to react if you tell him that it's pressure.

[Looker]

Pressure implies no intention to lynch.

[Looker]

Rhinox is likely

not

scum.

fixed.
bout the best I can do until there is a reason...

As long as you capitalized on the fact that he gave no reasoning and, thusly, provided us with nil in that post while attempting to appear as offering something worthwhile. (aka trying to look pro-town)

Looker, you seem to have a problem getting names right. not just Mylynes, but mine as well. if it makes it easier, just use Elf. but it's xofelf kthx.

I'm sorry. I thought I could remember all of your names without looking at the playerlist. Guess not. It won't happen again.

Looker, darling, I think I have found a pretty cosy bandwagon for us two. Would you join me?

I would, sweetheart, but I'm kind of busy.

unvote
vote xoxelf

There is no partner, Rhinox; it's a gambit.

I don't believe it's a gambit, and I'm a bit curious that Looker seems so sure that Kise is town gambiting.

Kyle, I don't understand how your mime-jester correlation affects your voting. What did you

think

they were? Why did you unvote?

It's also hypocritical to vote Kyle for not picking up on the jester thing, considering your initial reaction to Kise's claim was:

I say we lynch you. (If you're not going to vote, of course)

The case on kyle99 is weak. It's plausible he missed that they were jesters when reading the role PMs. I did the first time I read it, and only caught it the second time.

- I wouldn't say sure, but, like I said, I try to avoid making cases based or dependent upon the competence of other players.
- We

should

/

are

going to lynch Kise if he doesn't vote. What other purpose would you see in keeping him around?
- If you had said that before, we could have dropped it then.

[Looker]

We don't need to lynch Kise though, the vigilante is supposed to shoot him (right?).

Well, technically...

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@MOD: Can Watchers watch themselves at night?

[Looker]

any particular reason you're voting me, Looker? Or is it just because you can and no reasoning behind it whatsoever? Not that i really mind.

I just wanted to see you again.

unvote

Watcher needs to watch Kise; Vig should vig Kise. Then Watcher will know Vig, and he can confirm him should the claim come up.

We'll see how that plays out. We need a lynch.

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KYLE99

- You're up, who's the lynch for today? Pick somebody. (via vote, of course)

[Looker]

Forgot to mention that, until you do so, I'll be voting you.

vote Kyle99

[Looker]

Okay, since Kyle & Mylynes both appear to be (read: are) thoroughly confused, I'll leave the decision to Kise.

Unvote
Vote Kise

Who should we lynch?

[Looker]

Gerty pointed out that he was Sarag

twice

btw

[Looker]

Okay. Still waiting to see who Kise picks, tho.

[Looker]

- We

should/are

going to lynch Kise if he doesn't vote. What other purpose would you see in keeping him around?

What are your reasons for believing that Kise is mafia rather than a mime?

I have none. I thought he was town being intentionally abrasive and was hoping a pressure vote would help. I'm much more comfortable with him being Vigged than anything else.

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Scorpion, looks like you're up - who will it be?

unvote
vote xscorpion

[Looker]

@Looker: I'm curious as to why you've already switched votes away from Kise even though he didn't vote anyone? This looks like wishy washy voting to me until you hit a bandwagon, giving you an excuse to keep a vote there.

But if you are so insistent that I vote for someone, then OMGUS I guess.

Vote: Looker

Even: Kise
Odd: Kyle

Original Roll String: 1d6

1 6-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

Nope - I meant I'm usually failtown, but I might be goodtown in this game.

Failtown is my meta,

bitch

.

Keep it comin', that's what I like to hear.

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Hey, Hito

[Looker]

unvote
vote kyle

Please don't pick Sarag again this time

[Looker]

Explain yourself and what possible evidence we can truly use to support a case at this moment. People don't think you're looking for scum, which leads them to believe that this is because you

are

the scum. I agree. You OMGUS'd me as opposed to stating actual suspicions against anyone. You blew a prime opportunity to at least

come off

as town. O well.

[Looker]

O, and DIL PICKLES WIT SUM HONEY ON TOP, WRAPPED IN SWADDLIN CLOTHIN!!!!

[Looker]

I didn't imply I cared, I implied that coming off as town was the least you could do. I never implied you were scum, I denoted the relevance of your laziness to the suspicions others have of you. I didn't imply I was voting Kyle on evidence, I didn't imply I was voting Kyle at all (you just

think

I'm voting Kyle, because, in all actuality, I'm

actually

a voteless townie just like Kise ). I never implied I was eager for a lynch, etc, etc.

The questions you're asking, that's what you're supposed to do all the time, not just when someone votes you. You're incredibly jumpy and tunnel-visioned (read: self-centered) to be "town-aligned". You're not the only one I've voted for this whole time.

[Looker]

And won't be either

[Looker]

The above is a good start, but it's still no implication of eagerness, especially when we had the discussion regarding the effectiveness of pressure votes by denoting them as pressure.

[Looker]

I didn't imply I was voting Kyle on evidence,

And this is exactly why you are scum.

And how long are you going to keep dodging my question?

Why did you unvote Kise?

Because I saw a jalapeno.

[Looker]

^That guy rocks

[Looker]

O man, I was SO lucky I beat u in that simulpost. That would've been embarassing

[Looker]

I wouldn't call it desperate, but there's only one way to start the game. You know that.

But the game hadalready started by that point.

untote. vote: Looker

I'm guessing this is by your opinion? You, who have three posts all game? Could you please confirm the seriousness (or lack thereof) of this case?

@ looker: you disappointed me I'm making a good and productive wagon, hopefully (and IMO, likely) on scum, and it is not good enough for you?

I'd like to hear from everyone first.

[Looker]

Looker

Post Count: 36

Firstly, you can make the quote ISO numbers hyperlinks? That's awesome! I'm gonna need to start doing that.

Not sure how I feel about Looker. He's posting a lot (that's good), trying to push a bandwagon (that's good), but isn't really adopting much of a position on anything (that's bad.) I completely understand where you're coming from but you can't use your vote as a blind pressure tool without sharing your thoughts. The most telling was when you continually voted players until they answer 'who do you want lynched?". It's certainly something I want to know, but when you are formulaic as you are you're basicially absolving yourself of responsibility for you vote. Who do

you

want lynched? Give me a vote that shows what you think, not just want you want to know. And stop the recent spam-posting garbage.

RE: Spamming
I'm sorry, I enjoy the social aspect of the game

RE: What I Think
There's really nothing for me

to

think at the moment. You guys are like grits and I have to heat and stir you up if I'm ever gonna get something concrete out of you. I could blindly assume that everyone is town, but I'm really not trying to go down that road, so, until I figure out who is, I'd like to keep my options open and my vision non-tunneled. (Which makes absolutely no sense, but I'm not about to backspace all that)

Kyle first, then we can discuss Looker vs Rhinoceros after Kyle and kise flip.

Already? Okay, Boss Man...

[Looker]

I just thought it was funny she was haranguing me for trying to start the game by saying it had already started when she'd done nothing to start it. And "Because I saw a jalapeno" was an excellent response. Maybe you should lighten up or ask the questions you want to ask, you don't have to be lazy the whole game, you can change.

[Looker]

- I was unaware I dodged any actual questions. I thought I was neglecting to make a case for you.
- How do you expect anyone to look scummy this early? Once everyone's involved, I'm sure I'll choose wisely.
- There

are

no reasons for any votes yet other than I'm trying to get

everybody

to vote without a select few being the only ones.
- Because VP hates me; however, if you're asking me to refute allegations that I am scum, then I hereby refute them.

[Looker]

@Hito:

I'm pretty much open to anyone right now. Of course, I could go the conventional route and suspect those who suspect me, but I've played this game before and would rather not do that. I actually prefer my dice-roll maneuver and only vote people now because I want us all to vote. I don't really see any cases that look worth wagoning over so spontaneity's good with me. That and I like non-sequitor. Eggs.

[Looker]

1. I unvoted Kise because you had a bigger wagon (and, thusly, more pressure)
2. Are you attempting AtE? O rly?
3. [At least "Because I saw a jalapeno" was funny, this point is...well..pointless]
4. Talked and voted, the only thing I can do

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Is any of this helping you out? Because I get the strange feeling that it isn't. I call it...

satisfaction!

Also...

Failtown is my

meta

,

bitch

.

[Looker]

@Hito
Information about my slot? Hito, there

is

no information about my muh'f*ckn slot.

Also, what exactly have we gotten from anybody? What suspicions do we have? What leads? We ain't got NUTHIN! NUTTIN!

[Looker]

Leads=/=personality conflicts, btw

(Just in case, I know that some of you are new)

[Looker]

Lmfao. (Sssshhh! They think I'm voteless townie)

^Thus the social aspect of the game is birthed.

[Looker]

Vote, Kise.

[Looker]

@Hito
I understand what you're saying, but it'd be easier to come to conclusions later. So far, I

do

think xscorpion's mafia; however, I'd like to get more thoughts on the subject, which is why I'm asking everyone to vote.

@XScorpion
See, now you're gettin it, the whole crackin jokes thing. Insert smilies next time.

[Looker]

I like bandwagons, and I also hate when people don't have avatars .

vote: cat

Randomness, okay, cool.

What?

unvote
Vote:Kise

Opportunistic response to Kise's joke, okay, still cool.

Vigilante is going to kill Kise then? OK.

unvote
Vote: Kyle99

Ah, didn't realize Mime's were like jesters, unvote.

Major ignorance and/or feigning ignorance are not cool in my book.

Voting someone cuz of

ignorance

? Not really...

So just to be clear, you're voting me because I haven't made an analysis of the players I find scummy yet?

The reason you

claim

you're voting me

@Looker: I'm curious as to why you've already switched votes away from Kise even though he didn't vote anyone? This looks like wishy washy voting to me until you hit a bandwagon, giving you an excuse to keep a vote there.

But if you are so insistent that I vote for someone, then OMGUS I guess.

Vote: Looker

Then the hypocritical OMGUS.

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I'm pretty sure you're Mafia and was actually looking for your partner, someone who would stick up for you with no real reasoning; however, I didn't anticipate Hito. (Thanks alot, btw) I'm still confident you're scum but'll just have to find your partner some other way.

Either

way, I'm still sticking to my process of trying to get everyone to vote and get actively involved before we fall prey to the Spotlight Effect.

[Looker]

lmfAo - Kise is officially retarded

[Looker]

Kise is officially retarded

You just broke rule #6...

Damn my sadomasochistic culture! I'm sorry, Kise.

unvote
vote dry-fit

Simply want to hear your take on things.

[Looker]

Yeah, you're L-1 by my count. I'd unvote but I'm not voting you.

[Looker]

ATTN: 242 = opportunistic bus

This

[Looker]

Reck said it, Kyle. I'm waitin' for Dry-Fit.

[Looker]

WIFOM

Come

on

, Dry-Fit...!

[Looker]

Not really, I just didn't want him to have to go digging through all those pages for a simple answer. I'm really just a nice guy, Kyle.

[Looker]

Q: "Do you agree with him or not?"
A: The supporting evidence is inconclusive and does not substantiate a direct statement at the moment.

Q: "What do you mean by..."
A: He asked a question Reck had already answered so I gave him that answer.

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What XScorpion said.

[Looker]

Except that Kise was considered to be a mime BEFORE Looker made this post, so why vote him in the first place? "Because he's a mime" was not Looker's reason for unvoting.

Who considered him to be a mime? And why should their thoughts influence mine? As far as I know, there was no Cop/Night-Start combination.

Is it not just as likely that he's mafia pretending to be mime?

Stop letting Kise play with your head. First the voteless townie, now the WIFOM. Pretty soon, he's going to trick you into killing yourself.

He would/should try to look either pro-town or obvmime, since only goony behavior is lynchworthy. The fact that Looker doesn't really care to cover himself up indicates to me that he doesn't mind having a little scummyscumjuice drip on him. He's not being irrational, admittedly, so this does not suggest he is pretending to be mime.

Besides, you're the goon. One of 'em at least.

I don't care to cover myself up, huh? Where'd you get that? Could you point out that scummyscumjuice you're talking about?

Yeah because as the goon, I've really tried hard to look pro-town/obvmime in this game </sarcasm>
@Everyone: who IS the vig supposed to kill tonight? First it was Kise, now it's supposedly Looker? Is there a confirmed target or are we just gonna let the vig swing around where he/she wants?

Who in the

Hell

are you listening to? The last time we mentioned vigging Kise was due to his voteless townie joke and I don't remember anything about me being the vig target. Besides, what with all your alleged sarcasm, how can we hope to take you seriously?

[Looker]

What the hell...?

[Looker]

Kyle has no say, Kyle's been confused for the last ten pages!

[Looker]

I'm thinking Vig Kise, Lynch XScorpion & Dry-Fit

[Looker]

Well I kinda wanna wait for Dry-Fit

[Looker]

O, rest assured, you'll die. But I wanna give Dry-Fit the opportunity to speak at least one more time before today ends.

[Looker]

I'd love you forever if you self-hammered. [size=0][/sarcasm][/size]

[Looker]

Crap, forgot about the rules. Sorry!!! It said [/sarcasm] for those of you without notepad

[Looker]

Well stop hasslin me and let me get that mafia fer ya.

[Looker]

SPAM:
You're a special kind of child, aren't you?

On-topic:
If anyone

wants

to hammer, that's fine, but if you all are as adamant with your votes as you appear to be, I'm pretty sure they'll still be there when Dry-Fit gets there. XScorpion's already expressed his trepidation when it comes to self-hammering, so that's not happening either.

Until Dry-Fit gets here, I'll be doing other things...and people...and applicable fruits..

[Looker]

The game had started because of my "desperate" posts.

[Looker]

Nobody tell him that he's at L-2. It's a surprise.

[Looker]

Seriously, this is the only thing I get out this game, so you guys should tell some jokes or somethin...just sayin

[Looker]

@XScorpion
Bravo

[Looker]

HAHAHAHA!!! Okay, we can move into Night now, I'm cool

[Looker]

@Reck - U

can't

hammer. Scorp's at L-3, dude

[Looker]

Wow there has been a lot of posting recently and I've read through everything one time but I'm about to go to bed so when I wake up I'll take to the time to go back and analyze everything better and then post my opinions on what has happened when I can.

Yeah but I'm tired of waiting around to die so just do me a favour and kill me.
Don't make me do it myself, it really won't help town that much -_-

Why are you so ready to die? Could it be because you are actually a mime and want to get lynched? Or you could be scum and wanting us to believe you are town because you don't care if you are lynched. You could also be town as you claim but you are coming off as scummy to me.

Unvote

I would rather XScorpion not get lynched at least until we have a definite vig target for the night. I'm not sure Kise is a mime but he has come off as scum to me but I think we may find a better vig target tonight. There are 2 mimes out there and we only need to vig 1 of them.

What is your opinion of Dry-Fit?

[Looker]

I think you should vote Dry-Fit now, Scorp

[Looker]

Lol, that's funny, cuz if

I

followed scum's advice, I'd be voting you by now.

[Looker]

She's not the only one that's suggested I vote you.

[Looker]

Okay, XScorpion has been my second suspect after Looker for a while. I'm not at all opposed to his lynch. He isn't making any attempts to scumhunt despite countless calls to. In fact, he keeps coming up with excuses to be useless.

[Looker]

I don't know. I just don't want XScorpion dying when Dry-Fit's just now come in

[Looker]

No rush, we can wait

[Looker]

Of course I'm not scummy, it's just that this is a game where everyone feels falsely comfortable with believing they can predict your every move. Right now, I just want to know what candidate Mylynes comes up with so we can get this show on the road.

[Looker]

I can't confirm whether or not he actually knew he was at L-1. He could've thought he was fooling me; he could've thought I couldn't count. But, then again, not making a case based on the competence of another player...

[Looker]

Still not done analyzing everything yet though..

[Looker]

Transfer Day-Vig To: Mylynes

[Looker]

SPAM-CONTROLLED:

...kill him, Mylynes...

[Looker]

I still think that's WIFOM

[Looker]

Don't drop the ball, Kise; pick someone else

[Looker]

While I strongly disagree with your confirming both Kyle99 and Mae Ling as town based off "their reactions", we

are

going to need a competing bandwagon (or several), so feel free to pick someone.

Way ahead of you, hito. Dry-fit and whoever Mylynes and Kise can agree upon.

[Looker]

[Looker]

According to Dry-Fit,

NO

one is town!

[Looker]

I agree, but who are we vigging? Kise or Mylynes?

[Looker]

I don't think planning a vig on me is a good idea...

[Looker]

unvote
vote mylynes

[Looker]

looker, your vote makes no sense, only if Scorpion is scum too.

I don't see evidence to support this.

[Looker]

Mimey

[Looker]

While I strongly disagree with your confirming both Kyle99 and Mae Ling as town based off "their reactions", we

are

going to need a competing bandwagon (or several), so feel free to pick someone.

Way ahead of you, hito. Dry-fit and whoever Mylynes and Kise can agree upon.

[Looker]

How I'm Feelin'

66% XScorpion Lynch
17% Dry-Fit Lynch
17% Mylynes Lynch

[Looker]

EBWOP:

66% XScorpion/Kyle Lynch

[Looker]

unvote
vote Dry-Fit

If the next post is not one in opposition of me voting Kyle, I'll be doing so. As far as I can tell, everything's been decided.

[Looker]

That was quick.

unvote; vote kyle99

[Looker]

Whatever.

unvote; vote dry-fit

[Looker]

I shudda stuck wit Kyle

[Looker]

Well vote Dry-Fit cuz I wanna stick wit Kyle.

unvote; vote kyle

[Looker]

I'm sorry, XScorpion got under my skin and I wanted to stick it to'im by lynchin' his scumbuddy

[Looker]

EBWOP:

Hammering

his scumbuddy

[Looker]

Vig/watch Kyle

[Looker]

The butterfly has spoken

[Looker]

vote mylynes

I think we should vig Kyle.

[Looker]

Nice job paying attention there, skip.

Sorry, I only saw green. Either way, I can see Kyle as scum and I can see Kyle as mime, moreso than anyone else. I can also see Mylynes as scum, but no more mime than anyone else, which is why I'm pushing for his lynch and a way to handle Kyle since the Vig is gone.

@Looker: what is the most annoying thing a town can do to you?

Ask my over and over why it is that I do what I do when they don't know exactly what it is that I do.

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Are we really finna do a Kyle lynch right now?

[Looker]

Well, if no one else is going to influence you, I wouldn't mind suggesting you vote Mylynes.

Also, I don't want Kyle lynched not because I think he's town, but because I acknowledge a high probability of him being mime.

[Looker]

This makes me think Kyle is either scum not wanting to get lynched or town wanting to misslynch himself.

Naw, dawg

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With the way things are going, I'd prefer the Xoxelf-lynch over the Kyle lynch since you people have an intense phobia and a Mylynes-lynch would give you the willies.

[Looker]

Niiice, Reck. Let's see if it works! :shocked:

[Looker]

<-- was the face I was going for

Since apparently we have this false dichotomy of it having to be me, xofelf, or kyle... I say we

Vote: xofelf

.

MAFIA PLEASE KILL LOOKER KTHX HE IS THE LAST MIME W00T

You don't have to propagate the false dichotomy. Vote Mylynes, as opposed to whom you're currently voting - the last mime.

vote: xofelf

I'm not exactly sure who the best NK is for tonight, but I'm thinking looker seems like an excellent choice for tonight.

OMGUS VigVote, lol. Niiice. (Not really.) Why are we voting Xoxelf again?

Hi there, L-

1

2

.

(Fixed)

Mafiascum is doing the lag thing and making my re-read take longer than it should, but let me pop in here to say that taking someone to L-1 this fast for such specious reasoning is a bad, bad idea.

Kyle, why is looker an excellent choice for tonight's kill?

That's just/exactly the point - I'm not.

He

is.

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Things aren't even that serious for people to be piling onto Xoxelf for self-preservation, or at least they weren't until people started piling onto Xoxelf for self-preservation.

[Looker]

You should unvote first, the rules say you have to do this. Then vote Mylynes again.

[Looker]

Xoxelf, I encourage you to vote mylynes and for those on your wagon to follow you.

[Looker]

And guy's, Mylynes is as towny as one can be. He is actually thinking about optimum strategies, and seen the first post, top of the page, that comes from a town perspective. Mylynes is correct that the scummiest people (reck, scorpion) are basically going freely because of the mime threat.

Looker is not mafia, that is clear too, but looker has the annoying thing that he as town is somewhat a lynch target, and he knows this. His town and mime play would be very much alike, though if he isn't confident enough, his mime play might be a bit more random.

- Mylynes and XScorpion strike me as partners. I'm not willing to give up a Mylynes lynch for a Scorp wagon, only to have the two of them flip it into a Reck lynch, which could be a mime lynch if Kyle-mime doesn't fall through. I'm keeping my vote on Mylynes.

- Looker's town, that's all you need to know. Save the randometer for some other day. VOTE MYLYNES!

I still like my vote on kyle.

You don't have a vote on Kyle, Hito. Which is for the best cuz your vote should be on Mylynes, not Kyle, and not Xoxelf.

No one's

vote should be on Xoxelf.

Too bad the fucking watcher wasn't fucking on fucking Gerty. Blah.


I want a Mylynes

or Kyle

lynch plz.

Fixed for both your viewing pleasure and your peace of mind. Also, safety.

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Hey, guys, I'm waitin' for us to rack up those Mylynes votes. Let's get it goin.

[Looker]

@Xoxelf & Wagon
Stop being turds. Vote Mylynes.

[Looker]

...the fuck?

Congratulations to Mylynes for eliciting the proper response, but I'm not giving in just yet. I think Reck is more likely to be mime than Mylynes, so my vote stays.

so... what the fuck is going on here?
i don't quite understand what the hell happened.
also, i rarely vote because i was told to. if it makes sense, then sure.. at the moment, nothing really makes sense...

That's fine, I really just wanted some indication of acknowledgement. And as far as what's going on here, Mylynes is an opportunist.

[Looker]

Self-hammer, "Mimey"

[Looker]

So I'm guessin if you're not mime, you're scum.

vote kyle99

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All other thoughts would be appreciated. Especially yours, Xoxelf.

[Looker]

One immediate thought - Looker, you're right that myl's trick doesn't work when he's at L-1. But you posted

between him being placed at L-1 and his next post

, goading him to self-hammer. For heavens sake, why didn't you unvote and try to play along? It's not something scum would really have an incentive to do, but the idea is that you pretend it is and see if the scum fall for it.

Naw. That wouldn't have worked. You're neglecting to mention the fact that I expected Mylynes to be the scum

before

that ridiculous gambit of his and so thought the gambit was his method of stalling, hence my goading him to self-hammer. I didn't expect him to actually self-hammer; however, if he didn't, I was going to push for his lynch even the more.

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Also, since I like using horizontal rules: How ironic would it be if I turned out to be the Watcher? Get it? Looker, Watcher? (No, not a softclaim, just an excuse to use horizontal rule)

[Looker]

Yay for free Airport Internet!

Though I want XScorpion , it's probably due to personality conflicts and perceived incompetence as opposed to perceived scumminess. Quite frankly, I don't think he likes me .

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a

Either way, Kyle-wagon is a-go-go!

@Kyle - Is there anyone other than your competing wagon that you suspect? I honestly didn't expect much cooperation with your wagon.

[Looker]

Okay, just for the record: I really don't want an XScorpion or xRECKONERx lynch right now. I'm pretty confident with my Kyle vote.

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Sorry Looker, I never liked scum. I always hate playing scum on this site, it's usually pretty obvious when I am.

That's WIFOM, Scorpion, and we can't base cases on that. Who on your wagon do you believe to be scum?

Oh I was worried you hammered there for a second. Nice job paying attention.

Xscorpion:

Sorry Looker, I never liked scum. I always hate playing scum on this site, it's usually pretty obvious when I am.

rephrase this.

OK.

Though I want XScorpion , it's probably due to personality conflicts and perceived incompetence as opposed to perceived scumminess. Quite frankly, I don't think he likes me Sad.

No, Looker, I don't like you, because you are scum. I am not scum because I would be already dead if I was, given that I am very obv. scum when I am scum.
My closing argument is that Looker is scum because he is not mime and not town. When I die, please kill him.

Once again, this is WIFOM and cases cannot be based upon you or your competence as a player. What I'd really like to see is some suggestions from Xoxelf before we go any further with this. Any objections?

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@Xoxelf: Please help us/lend a helping hand

[Looker]

You're suspicious of her?

[Looker]

Yea, I doubt a pressure wagon would do any good on you anyway...or would it...? (I highly doubt it)

[Looker]

I wouldn't blame'im. Nothing else seems to be happening. I wish I had my notes with me.

[Looker]

No point, deadline isn't for a while and I'm not gonna kill kyle unless it comes down to me vs. him. I'd rather a looker or reckoner lynch atm

:shakes head in despair:

No, no, no, he's not getting it.

What we need is a Kyle lynch. The only reason we didn't lynch him Day 1 was because we all thought he and Mylynes were mimes. Have you all forgotten?

sorry, school kept me busy.

I've also lost my ideas about the game mostly. I did have a good town read on kyle, I thought, so I won't hammer, though as the situation is now, I think a kyle lynch is inevitable.

I have the feeling that scum is laughing quietly at how we are playing here.

You think too much. We can't give in to the WIFOM of romanticism; it's a game of mafia, not a piece of literature.

flinter, if you don't think kyle is scum, what is your game plan? I have a really hard time buying scorpion is scum given the sequence of events today. If you want to push a wagon besides either of those two I'm listening, but don't keep that to yourself.

Scorpion's

not

scum. Kyle is; however, I'm open to discuss any lynch alternatives.

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This whole thing is just too funny; we finally know who the scum are, but we're just too unorganized (or busy) to do anything about it.

Come on, people, let's move!

[Looker]

Which is why I shut my f*ckin mouth when I'm at L-1. Hope you guys are ready for the toss-up. (That's a joke, I'm positive he's scum)

[Looker]

Everythings going to be fine; Reckoner is scum but no one vote; we're going to figure this all out first. I'll be back later when I have my notes and can post from something other than a cell phone.

[Looker]

But thats WIFOM again, we cant clear u on that. I say we state our suspicions and go from there. Or not, id really just like to hear from everybody. Girls?

[Looker]

Scorpion strikes me about as scummy as Xoxelf and we're not lynching her, so I suggest we stick to stating suspicions over voting at this point. I find Reckoner to be the scummiest and would be open to discuss him as a plausible lynch; however, voting right now is not a good decision. So let's state our suspicions.

FoS

flinter - XScorpion
XScorpion - Flinter
xRECKONERx -
xofelf -
Looker - xRECKONERx

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FoS: xRECKONERx

[Looker]

Faith? We had faith? I'm ready to have won this game already and this is taking too long. I'm not even waiting for Xoxelf's suspicions, RECK, I'm waiting for yours.

[Looker]

@Reck:
So do you agree? Are you going to follow her lead? Or are you going to kick off a Flinter wagon?

This is retarded.

Xoxelf, I can't see how you made it this far, especially with limited participation.
XScorpion, on top of being annoying, you never state a case for any of us to support.
xRECKx, you're a semi-active lurker/conversation mooch
and Flinter, nobody's listening to you and never has - they only called you obvtown to aim the mafia in your direction in regards to NKs

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What we need to do is come to a consensus before the threat of deadline comes upon us, because RL is hectic and I want this game won before I have to move again. You all are good peoples, we just need to hustle up some activity here. Looker out.

[Looker]

So I guess you're just gonna let Xoxelf off the hook, right?

What is the likelihood of Xoxelf being scum before we proceed? Hmm...?

[Looker]

vote Reckoner

If we're voting, then let's do it then. Let's have a shootout. If I die before I wake, it was a good run anyway. I'm out.

[Looker]

unvote
vote XScorpion

Why not

[Looker]

@Reck: Can we show them the QT? You're a good player, btw; all of you are.

[Looker]

xRECKONERx's ScumTopic
Xoxelf was also scum. I wish we could have realized this earlier, but you guys did your best. I'm proud of you.

[Looker]

Well thanks for sticking up for me; I'm eternally grateful. We need a girl on girl fistfight in the Modscene. At least have Xoxelf present in

that

.

[Looker]

Well hats off to Xoxelf - thanks, sis! ScumTopic's been posted, Mod Scene's been posted, now it's time for the diatribes. Let me know what you think.

[Looker]

Nice; town doing my bidding and mimes thinking I'm the Vig while I send NKs in Flinter's name. I definitely love the Mafia roles. However, this does not count as meta, seeing as....

Failtown is my meta,

bitch

!

.

[Looker]

Looker, why did you kill me, just out of curiosity?

Because I saw a jalapeno.

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Any other questions? I can do this all day. (Just in case I forgot to mention: Great game, VP Baltar. You, too, Flinter, since you "didn't read your role pm")