Open 189~Trouble@Warren State Mental Hosp (Over)

[hitogoroshi]

Hey there! To be honest I wasn't sure about replacing in - I just /in'd into the mini normal queue, and I don't like having three active games particularly much. But how could I say no to this rockin player list?

Oh excellent, I get to see hito's scum meta :3

Sorry Vi, my fantastic, in-defiance-of-all-probability no scum streak continues undaunted!

And hello again Sotty. I just realized that with us replacing into each other's games this is our fourth game in like, a few month span. I went ahead and changed my avatar because I'm sure you're sick of the awesomeface by now. :p

Anyway, to business. You'll be happy to know that I told Tubby I wanted to replace pretty late in the evening, and since he apparently went to sleep, I took the liberty of reading the whole game thread last night. I'm not 100% on the proceedings, I'll admit - I skimmed the more grievous walls and didn't really keep track of the times involved, so I don't know how valid the various lurker cases are - but I'm certainly grounded in the background. For my actual content posting, I'm going to ISO each and every player and comment on those rather than just trying to be a part of events weeks past. (This isn't to insult you, Bloodcovenent, but I think you can see how you can throw in a lot of effort and not produce a lot of content once the game gets going like this.)

Because we're already on page 20 I'll be posting the ISO's in three's rather than in a single huge post, alphabetically according to the new player list in 490, commenting on the players replaced out at same time as their replacement. I'll try to avoid my usual wallposting and inject a little bit of levity because I can already tell this is going to be boring to write and the first rule of writing is that if it's boring to write it's even more boring to read.

Other than that, I have one more week of winter break (though there will be an eight hour car ride to Nebraska on one of the days between now and next Monday - I think it's gonna be Friday) so I should be free to post a lot of content. (I'm even neglecting Dragon Age for you people...) Feel free to pose questions to me immediately - if they're about a player I haven't ISO'd yet I'll make sure to address it in my ISO post!

PS: The replacement iso-posting thing was blatantly stolen from Humble Poirot, I take no credit for this sexy idea)

[hitogoroshi]

ISO Spectacular, Part I:

---------------------------------

Bloodcovenent (and hyl)

Friggin' alphabet undermining the value of this approach! Pulled a super-flaker first.

Hyl

with the value of hindsight hyl accusing VP of not posting content is as hilarious as it is unwarranted. However, I will make sure to keep an eye out for this:

I dunno, who else hasn't added anything while posting as much as Izzy? After reading, Izzy's several small-content posts stuck out so I added it to my message.

because I remember getting a similar vibe from Izzy's posts. We'll see if it's warranted when I make it to Izzy.

That is basicially the only helpful point to come out of Hyl. The rest was just attacking VPB on posting without content, which is just retarded when aimed at who I think is the most active player, coming from the flaker.

BloodCovenant

Just catch up posts. A little too summarizy for my tastes but that's really hard to do in a twenty-page catch up so I'm not holding it against you. Luckily last I checked C comes right after B so I should be able to judge the Cat case for myself, which gives me a nice little roundabout peek into BC's head.

--------------------------------------

Cat

Oh alphabet, I'm sorry I said those mean things to you.

Wow, cat has been in this game the WHOLE time? Seriously?

After ISO-ing cat I'm inclined to agree with BC on the general cat suspicion. Unlike him, I do like Cat's catch up ISO 4. It's saying "I suspect OU -- shit! Breadcrumb cop! Ah well, I can just leave my vote on xd for the time being." My main problem with cat is every post after that. Multiple extremely short, basicially null-content posts but that's not even the biggest thing. The biggest thing is that he called inattentiveness a scumtell, and when xd called him out on it, he responded:

I'm having difficulties with MS right now, so I don't know if this post will make it or not.

@Cat: Do you still like your vote for Xdaamno?
Do you think there is anyone else who is scummy in this game?

Yes, I do like my vote on Xdaamno even more now with his cop vote. I mean, with all the saberwolf shenanigans, he would have at least gone through and read that. As for other scummy people, I would say saberwolf/Porochaz if the breadcrumb wasn't so intact, but the only other small qualm I have is Hyl's lurking.

Elephant in the room: What makes a scum player more likely to not read that than a town player?

Nothing. But Xdaamno has been quite active, so I would imagine he would notice that.

which is uh, dumb as hell. If it's not a scumtell why does it make you happier with your vote? And if not that what made xd go from slightly scummy to almost-always-scummy? And what kind of almost always scummy is trumped by the SAME logical fallacy of 'people who aren't paying too much attention are scum?' If you had advocated for a policy lynch that might have been different, but you specifically called inattentiveness a scumtell AGAIN even after having to admit it's nothing the last time you were called on it. It looks like you're just picking the least popular players (I certainly hate people who don't pay attention) and calling them scum.

To be honest the only reason I'm not voting Cat right now is because I want to finish all of the ISO's before I vote. Because who knows, someone even scummier may be just over the horizon!

--------------------------------------------

Cayke

(because it is easier than your username with all of the numbers after it)

I...I don't even know. What is this.

Votes xd for being scatterbrained and looking like paranoid scum, holds to that for a while. Personally I don't like claims of 'cracking' so early on - in fact, I said it in another game I was in:

Although, [name withheld], I really don't think you're doing anything productive. I'm sure you feel badass by flustering people but quite frankly you're just finding out who is calm and who isn't calm, and that doesn't have a whole lot to do with alignment. Paranoia may be a scumtell, but that can't really work until there's enough post history that scum can have the worry that maybe they slipped somewhere and you know exactly where. I don't think anyone here is so easily thrown off their game that they think you've read their role PM and know they are scum, or something.

Still, the way she holds to that and being anti-otto, I don't have too much of a problem with. It's pretty severe tunneling maybe, but since it sounds like she comes from this tight-knit scumchat group that's what I would expect when you're used to playing with the same people and suddenly you have strangers in the mix.

Then a combination of the holidays and learning otto is a saber alt turns cayke into some content black hole, ejecting 'fuck' like it's Hawking radiation. I know this is turning into IioA but there's literally like, no way I can comment on this besides, 'buuuuuuuuuuuuh??'

Still, I'm a nice guy and I'm willing to take Cayke's claim of renewed interest at face value. My biggest problem is the revisited attack on xd. I think the accusation on him was weak but understandable the first go around, to bring it up again after a multiple-week gap is nothing short of criminal. I would appreciate a solid post from Cayke on why I, the consumer, should consider xd for my lynching needs. If you can't do that than please join one of the meatier wagons. I know you don't like being a follower but it's better than being an apathetic leader with a whole wagon to themselves.


------

Alright, gonna go grab some food and indulge in a bit of gaming. Later today expect to see my Izzy, hito (yes, I am ISO-ing Jdodge) and Howard iso's. It should be early enough in the day that I can get 7,8, and 9 in before I go to bed.

PS. Mafiascum lagged up and died when I tried to submit my post. However, because I periodically update a word document with my writing it was absolutely no trouble to me - I made sure to paste in the finished post before hitting submit. You should all do that because I am going to feel no sympathy if you say 'LOL WROTE A POST AND MS ATE IT, SORRY NO CONTENT'. You have been warned.

[hitogoroshi]

ISO Spectacular, Part II:

---------------------------------

DizzyIzzyB13

For the visual learners among you I've made a helpful flowchart:



In all seriousness, I've made my thoughts about the xd wagon clear in my last post (and I suspect I'll make them even more clear in my xd iso...though the letter v kinda looms before that.) Apparently there's all this wonderful meta information on xd about how he only ever collapses and references meta as scum, which if true is just barely enough for me to accept Izzy posting in a deliberately unreadable style. That's a hellishly anti-town thing to do, but if you think it'll nail scum, I'm willing to play along.

But. One thing you are not allowed to do is to suddenly DROP your suspicions on said person, pick someone else with a sentence of explaination, and then go back to being deliberately obtuse, especially when your suspicion on VP is that both his Howard AND jdodge cases are horribly weak and scummy, yet giving no reason for why either are weak? Do you think either of them are town? Have you expressed any town read of any sort besides cayke-town?

I'm not quite ready for an izzy-lynch because at least her deliberate unreadability isn't as bad as Cat's easily readable scum, but come on now. The idea that you can post without explanation because you're so certain you hit scum doesn't really work if you switch :3.

Speaking of which, izzy, what DO you think about xd now?

--------------------------------------------

hitogoroshi (and Jdodge)

where doin it man.

where MAKING THIS HAPEN.

Jdodge

If I had been playing in tandem with Jdodge I would have told him to not quote every little thing. Dear lord this is unreadable. As replacement I'd like to think I should perhaps inherit some of my slots suspicions out of respect but here I kinda feel safe saying Jdodge was on the wrong track.

Also seeing his vote on Cay reminded me that I think I need to

unvote

.

As I said, the reason I'm looking at jdodge is to have that context when I'm attacked on his actions. How merited are the attacks? Judging for myself, without seeing any specific accusations, I'd go with 'fairly'. There's a lot of painful information flooding, and a lot of hopping between VP, Cayke, and xd. Knowing that jdodge is town, my best guess is that he found the energy for a slow game by getting angry and as such didn't really post to show what he liked but only what he hated. But if I was an outsider, yeah, I guess jdodge scum isn't too hard to swallow. Unfortunately I think that, when confronted with jdodge's actions as an attack on myself, my only response will be a shrug.

I will say that he seems to have a lot on xd beyond the initial 'meltdown'. In honor of his slot I'll have to look for that during my iso. (or maybe Cayke will find it for me since apparently an xd lynch would be a wonderful thing.)

hitogoroshi

obvtown.

------------------------

HowardRoark

For his first twenty posts or so, Howard strikes me as pretty town. I once again don't really agree with him staying on xd the whole game - but like Jdodge, maybe he has seen some vast deposits of scum that I missed in my initial read. But from there he kinda starts spiraling into scum scum scum.

Let's start with ISO 22. This is just my opinion and not anything well-established but I really don't like when someone says "I am voting x, but I may soon convert my vote to y or z." That normally, to me, translates as "Damn, I, the scum, cannot start a wagon on x. I will want to try to start one on y or z, but I feel it would be suspicious to just switch, so I must first make a buffer post announcing my intentions as though they were probabilities as to cover my ass later.' This is admittedly mitigated by the fact that I don't see a tajo or hyl wagon going any better than xd's at this point.

but wait, there's more! ISO 24. 'I did it to draw reactions' is second only to 'for reasons already stated' on my Machurian Candidate kill-phrase list. It's perfectly all right to LOOK for reactions, of course, but if you ever want to 'take back' your actions (as that implies) you have to have a damn good reason. I'm especially not a fan of the 'nice jump, cat' comment. There are so many reasons Howard could be saying that and all of them are wrong. Howard, what exactly are you trying to accuse cat of there?

And then he does the defeatist townie act, peaking with the epic line 'my mislynch will not hurt us to any great extent.' You have exactly one (1) post to get back in the game and start contributing before I vote you for either being scum or a townie who apparently can't be asked to fight for his own survival.

-------------------------

that's all folks. On our next episode: populartajo, porochaz/saber/otto, and sotty/qooq.

(which means I have Vi, VP, and xd all in one post after that. dear lord.)

[hitogoroshi]

ISO Spectacular, Part III

------------------------------------

populartajo

Hmm. Earns an eyebrow raise right off the bat for ISO 4, where he votes Baltar in a way that almost looks like a late RVS but that later posts confirm was serious. And yet he doesn't really mention VP in anything he does for a while, and didn't explain anything about his vote. I honestly don't even know what to make of this. His point against VP eventually comes up in ISO 7:

Dodge, do you think baltar asking a question he didn't answer to a group of people is scummy/irrelevant/protown?

And yet he seems to have more on howard and izzy than VP? (Also tajo, could you quote me the exact question you're referring to? I'm pretty sure I know the one but I don't want to make a post only to learn I picked the wrong VP quote.)


I'm glad to see Tajo try to clear people as town. While I don't put too much stock into early reads it's still good to make the effort because if there's one thing scumbags hate it's watching the lynch candidates dwindle down one by one. I agree with him that Cayke's post demanding recognition did seem pretty earnestly town. I don't know how much I'm going to weight that once I have more cayke-content to work with, but for now it makes me feel a bit more confident in my decision to give her a more-or-less fresh start after the holidays.

I am much less certain about his xd clearing. The idea that 'I want to know if he's careless enough scum to do x' isn't one that I count at all seriously. Anyone can make a stupid.

Unlike Cayke, Tajo went out not with a bang but with a whimper. Most of his later posts are 'too many lurkers don't wanna play Q.Q'. Like Cayke, though, what I see is pretty good and so I'm willing to let Tajo get back on his feet before I start brandishing the active lurker stick. Tajo, you wanted activity, hi, here I am. Content please.

-------------------------------------

Porochaz, Saber/Otto

Otto

Otto's ISO 3 is a huge what the hell thing. You hastily vote BEFORE reading the topic, as though on a scale of minutes it matters?? I'm inclined to chalk it up to scuminess simply because I can't imagine any townie in the history of ever feeling that rushed.

Other than that, it's that weird uber-cautious that can unfortunately be as well attributed to a newbie cop (I am aware saber has played many more games than I, but if you self-hammer in the RVS I am allowed to call you a newbie) as a fearful scumbag. I don't like how he continually defended his viewpoint on xd and never actually did anything else.

Saber

Yes, they are the same person, but he decided to switch accounts to make my ISOing job that much harder.

Saber didn't say anything actually though. Promised to scumhunt about five times, never actually scumhunted. About the only relevant thing he did was claim cop.

Porochaz

Oh man I do not like anything porochaz has posted. His ISO 6 looks like scumhunting if you're willing to squint really hard but it's such a lackluster pffffftt of a post it's really hard to take him seriously when he goes for, of all things, mostly lurkers.

Apparently he had some rl issues as well. Discounting those posts (it seems that is the kinder thing to do here, even though it sinks his game-related posts into the single digits) his views are basicially a.) jdodge is town and b.) cayke is scum. I obviously like a.); but his rationale for b.) is, as far as I can tell:

. Cayke, backseat play, aggressive, just above contentless, lurkering now.

Which hilariously can be more or less directly applied to chaz, except that instead of backseat play chaz has apparently decided to get out of the car entirely.

And what's with the no-content unvote? Is cayke suddenly less scummy in your eyes, or is someone else MORE scummy, or...?

But as much as it kills me to say it, a lot of the saber/otto stuff did strike me as cop-tells. So at least for today, I'm not doing a thing against chaz. If he's alive tomorrow, though, I honestly don't know how I'm going to react. Here's hoping that unvote is a harbinger of some actual content coming out of that slot.

-------------------------------------------

Sotty/Qooq

Qooq

No content to be found here, cap'm. Confusion about the quick-wagon, which I'd expect from someone who joined December 6th. And then...nothing. It's a shame that she apparently picked up a PM and said she'd return and then didn't - this extension let Qooq get away with not posting for a long, long time before replacment.

Sotty7

She just replaced in on the 2nd so I can't expect too much. I'm digging the catch-up post - especially her views on Cat, Izzy, and Roark, any of which I'd feel comfortable being attributed to me.

However, (and I'm very glad to say that Sotty was IN this game and will know exactly what I'm talking about) I was in another game Qooq flaked out of, and her replacement managed to post completely pro town and still win as scum because of that huge gulf of no content. Fortunately we're not facing endgame any time soon, but regardless you'll understand why I'm going to have to be pretty paranoid about your slot for a while after being too lenient on a flaked slot cost me a game.

---------------------------

Well that was surprisingly short! Tomorrow, be on the lookout for my monster response to who I think are the three most active players in this game.

[hitogoroshi]

EBWOP: Since it is 1am in hito-land let me clarify that this is tomorrow as defined as, after the sleep I am about to go to and before the sleep after that.

[hitogoroshi]

So Porochaz doesn't really care about the game, Howard doesn't really care about the game, and Izzy still apparently can't be asked to say what xd's newfound town tendencies are or what exactly she disagrees with re: the howard or Jdodge wagons. This is

wonderful

.

One point in particular:

Cat's a player that I don't have a read on. The comment was to point out how quickly and unreasoned the jump onto my wagon was. It reads like a scum hop.

I agree with the idea that cat's wagon hop looked like a scum hop - as I said, I think he's sniping unlikeable players who don't have much political capital. But then what was your 'I knew I'd get reactions with that one' comment? Because I'm finding it hard to believe you were intentionally trying to act as though you weren't paying attention to draw out scum, or something.

Anyway, back to the show.

ISO Spectacular, Part IV

-------------------------------------------

Vi

Okay what can you say to a player who has 92 posts in this game besides "thank you"? I don't care how scummy you think Vi is, she gets a no-lynch pass until D3 because she has

posts

and

votes

and

shit that actually exists and is readable

and that's better than taking any of you bums into lylo.

As for the read proper, this is all pretty standard for Vi. Hops bandwagons a lot but gives reasons, doesn't campaign so much for her favorite wagon beyond expressing confidence, builds cases piecemeal and then surprises you by reposting them at all once (see ISO 78), etc.

I don't know if Vi is trying to policy lynch in disguise or what. She's calling Jdodge's lurking and Howard's apathy scumtells, neither of which I agree with being inherently scummy but I can dig a d1 eugenics lynch for the purpose of building a better town. (for you munchkins out there, no, I am not proposing a lynch on myself, because I'm not exactly lurking any more, am I?)

Overall Vi is producing lots of content, most of which I agree with, especially the current vote on professor catface meowmers. I'm a bit iffy on some of the specific scumtells she's going off of but in this game being above-average makes Vi a boat full of smiles in a sea of no content.

-------------------------------------------------------------

VP Baltar

VP also wins on the content clause. There is actual stuff come from him and I don't want to lynch him before D3 without a damn good reason (hint for izzy: 'the howard case is bad' is not a damn good reason).

I do agree that he's asking way too many questions without providing much content in the early stages, but I can understand why when it's with regards to the xd wagon. In particular, ISO 21 shows that VP doesn't have any particular anathema to providing content, so I'm wiling to accept the early questions-without-info barrage was largely circumstantial.

I will say, though, that he seems to be slipping back into the questions mode and I don't like it. But as I said before, busting the VP slot for not providing content would be pretty asinine right now. He knows what's going on, what needs to be done, and is working to get SOMEONE lynched. I'd like to see a few less question marks coming from you VP, but at least you have letters forming words preceding those question marks.

I realize this is going to look terribly hypocritical after that statement, but I do have a question for you, VP: how much of your desire to lynch howard is you thinking he's scum, and how much is just wanting to lynch an apathetic non-contributor early?

-------------------------------

Xdaamno

Oh goodness. Never before has so much been typed and so little said.

I think VP nailed it in one when he used the phrase 'pity party posts'. A lot of xd's posts are just complaints, defeatism, and generalized waffle. I'm inclined to stay the noose because I can see myself in those posts before being in a couple of grade-A towns knocked some sense into me. The fact that I'm applying this particular defense to someone with six times as many posts as me, though, is a little worrisome. Is it possible that xd is acting newbie or something here as a gambit? I mean when I have the lowest post count of all of the people in the game (as I do here), I'm not too happy with anyone calling newbie, and yet that's what makes the most sense here.

I like the later stuff a bit more. The HR wagon is by and large self-propelled so he doesn't get too many points for standing conspicuously on it but at least he's not doing as much 'you just don't understand my posts T.T' anymore.

But, major thing I don't like alarm bells alarm bells. I mention that I like Tajo trying to pick out town, then Poro posts a squiggly block that basicially amounts to 'hey town I don't care about this game' and xd responds with Wow, that seems like a really town post!. wat.

I guess maybe xd's heart is in the right place. I don't have a lot of specific bits besides that one that really make me think xd is scum, but if someone (cakye) can dredge though the whine and the WIFOM and find scum tells you'll find a willing audience to your xd case in me.

xd, if you're town, I want more posts like ISO 61 and less posts like ISO 65.

[hitogoroshi]

Final thoughts in delicious list form:

• We are lynching Cat today
  
• This means Howard gets the whole rest of the day to start giving a shit
  
• And Izzy gets the whole day to actually try the whole 'substantiating opinions' thing
  
• No lynching Vi or VP d2 because they could lurk the whole day and still be the content leaders
  
• The rest of you are fair game

Vote: Cat

[hitogoroshi]

As soon as the attacks stopped on daamno, he started to

lurking a shit ton more

, which i usually find scummy.

• Vi = 94
  
• VP = 82
  
• XD = 74
  
  
• Saber+Otto+Por = 57
  
• Cayke = 49
  
• Izzy = 31
  
• HR = 28
  
• JD + Hito = 27
  
• Tajo = 26
  
• BC + hyl = 15
  
• Cat = 12
  
• Qooq + Sotty = 10

hito: This is a (pleasant!) change from what I saw from you in previous games. What changed?

It was playing Crossfire mostly. It's hard to appreciate how much it matters to be in a town where everyone knows what's going on. Admittedly my performance IN the game itself wasn't terribly stellar, but it really taught me a lot about how you need to lower your standards on what you call a good scum read, because at the end of the day someone needs to be lynched and if you don't like who's getting strung up then congratulations, you are a tree stump.

There's also been a bit of me picking around in MD to learn about things like policy lynching (which I like a lot more than I used to), what makes a good town, etc.

interrogations do not appeal to me in the slightest (plus they're almost always ineffective, IMO, since the person knows they're being interrogated. This is key.)

As I said, I dislike barrages of pointed questions, so in that sense I agree with you. But there are a lot of suggestive, sneaky, flip-it-turnways methods to scumhunt - direct scumhunting is only the tip of the iceberg. Personally I never try to establish an adversarial relationship with anyone and keep my questions innocent sounding until a.) I want them lynched now (cat) or b.) they need to fix something or they will join a.) (HR, Izzy).

[hitogoroshi]

Oh I'm not saying that xd is being a super-helpful content guy with that high number of posts - there's a reason he didn't get content claused for d2. But if it's lurkers you want to go after, there are many better targets than xd, and the fact that your accusation of him lurking was apparently the sole response you could find to my request for

a solid post from Cayke on why I, the consumer, should consider xd for my lynching needs

is, to put it mildly, worrying.

[hitogoroshi]

That's what happens when you're a college student on break, you have the free time to ninja people. To be honest I think I overdid the iso spectacular a bit there, there is no way in hell I will ever be able to post that much content in such short time when I've actually got classes. I am setting expectations I will never be able to meet again! (Until summer.)

[hitogoroshi]

what are you talking about Vi

there's cat's catch up post

and tajo's catch up post

and HR and Cayke's posts on why we should lynch xd

and Izzy's post on why we should lynch vp

all of these posts are real and exist

On a less facetious note, I'm going to be leaving MN at ~7am CST on Friday, which means I should be in Nebraska ~4pm. I could potentially not post at all Friday depending on how I feel when I get back, but given this tempo no one will even notice. :/

[hitogoroshi]

[hitogoroshi]

Early morning hito update:

Travel is currently not advised in all of western Iowa, counties along the I-35 corridor, and parts of east central Iowa due to very treacherous road conditions and blowing snow. The Iowa State Patrol has issued a tow ban for the affected areas.

Seeing as the I-35 corridor and western Iowa are what's known as 'the route one uses to get from Minnesota to Nebraska', I'm going to be here for now and I'll be disappearing more or less by surprise (later today? tomorrow?) for a day or so sometime soon here.

In this particular game, it's really hard for me to be apologetic for missing a day when there's only about three of you I can apparently count on to show up once a day. I'll make sure to let you guys know right before I'm out the door in any event.

[hitogoroshi]

Hey xd, remember this?

because at the end of the day someone needs to be lynched and if you don't like who's getting strung up then congratulations, you are a tree stump.

Almost correct. If you don't like who's getting strung up and you aren't outrightly arguing against their lynch (or for someone else's lynch), you are a tree stump.

If you don't want to join catwagon2010 then

do something

, don't just sit on your ass criticizing the wagon because of some gut town tell on cat you've only now decided to grace our thread with. (especially since your idea that cat is town is a fairly recent development.)

More importantly, alignment tells be damned, give me one reason not to lynch such a serial non-contributor. Disregarding the fact that my ISO posts were incredibly full of content, with this post I am already beating cat on

absolute post count

. Despite the fact I came in Monday and Cat's been here for a month.

[hitogoroshi]

Uhm, I am? I'm strongly pro-HR lynch. Personally I feel I shouldn't hammer that in every post, because people are more inclined to follow ideas when they believe they have created them in part themselves and I feel that the HR wagon will pick up if the Cat wagon is not viable.

Two problems with that:

Firstly, the cat wagon is insanely viable, such that I'm considering making it my new benchmark of viability (e.g 'How viable is it that Barack Obama will be re-elected in 2012?' 'I'd put it around .35 catwagons.') and if you want to make the cat wagon UNviable, you have a lot of work ahead of you.

Secondly, you don't push a wagon by every now and then mentioning you're still happy with it. You push it by pushing it. Here's your last post on HR:

-i planned to edit some real content in here, but cba. my feelings are that HR's posts feel manufactured lately, so i'm still comfortable with the wagon-

If you want to push a wagon, especially in the face of a strong counterwagon, cba is not an option. You better be assed to put some real content in here if you want us to follow your point of view.

Of course the probability that you'll manage to convince me to lynch a non-contributor is low (like, .005 catwagons low) but VP thinks Howard is positively scum so I'm sure you've got his support if you try to get the old HR wagon a-turning. But you can't just say that you want to lynch HR as though you expect other players to say "well gee if xd thinks it I don't need to know his reasons, I'm sure he's right, vote howard."

preview edit: also what VP said. I tend to forget about that perspective because I was spared the three weeks of tedium prior to my replacing in.

[hitogoroshi]

EBWOP, just noticed:

Of course the probability that you'll manage to convince me to lynch a non-contributor is low (like, .005 catwagons low)

that would be, convince me *not* to lynch a non-contributor.

[hitogoroshi]

EBWOP, just noticed:

Of course the probability that you'll manage to convince me to lynch a non-contributor is low (like, .005 catwagons low)

that would be, convince me *not* to lynch a non-contributor.

Do you really stand by that?

Surely a player's chance of being scum should be the more important factor in almost all cases... this kind of exaggeration is not helpful, IMO.

I would much rather lynch for something I'm sure is happening, sure is anti-town, and is sometimes connected to scum, than something I'm not sure is happening (scumtell), isn't inherently anti-town, but is always connected to scum if true. This goes double on D1.

[hitogoroshi]

awright.

Hopefully the new day will actually get everyone playing again. Open offer to all the lurkers: If you start the day active I promise to be nice about your D1's. Let's work together as a big happy scum-hunting family.

group hug.

[hitogoroshi]

************mod edit************

If you're dead, you may not post at all. That includes any type of "BAH" post.

i did save this post will reveal after end game

[hitogoroshi]

Watching this game limp along from the sidelines was just so frustrating.

Nicely played, Sotty.

Could we get a link to the scum quicktopic? Seeing as Poro really was a cop I'm curious as to what got me nightkilled first.

[hitogoroshi]

Yeah, what VP said. I mean, it took you a while to find replacements but I'm sure that wouldn't have been an issue if it wasn't for the fact you had so so many of them. I mean, I was the

third

replacement into this game, and that was day one. And then who left AFTER me? Izzy, Cayke, Tajo, BC...jeepers.

[hitogoroshi]

I'm tired right now, but someone should tell VP Baltar that hito was already thirded for Funniest Player

I hadn't been following the scummy thread so this is news to me!

That just made my

week

.

[hitogoroshi]

Also out of curiosity I ran the numbers for this setup.

69.2% the town has at least one power role.

30.7% chance the town has at least two power roles.

9.06% the town has at least three power roles.

So on the one hand, this powerful of a town isn't exactly common, but on the other, 9% seems far too often for this kind of power (I have no doubt that if every town PR had submitted an action every night, we wouldn't have been in this situation.)

[hitogoroshi]

I forgot that WolframAlpha is an incredibly slick operation. While I still feel justified doing it longhand for the principle of the thing, I can now add in a slick little graph:



When I look at this I'll admit it seems a little less broken.