Open 184: Friends and Enemies Mafia (Over)

[hewitt]

I agree with farside and I'm going to take the Masons day by day. Right now the stats really mean nothing to me.

[hewitt]

@ Hewitt: why haven't you voted yet?

FoS: Hewitt

*Sighs* I don't random vote. Only done it once, never doing it again.

[hewitt]

Thats very anti-town of you really. The RVS is supposed to help us move things along by picking things up and seeing BWs form and etc etc.

By not voting you are attempting to avoid responsibility and it just makes me want to vote for you cause it seems scummy.

If you refuse to vote I shall have to vote for you.

Really because my history of not voting shows that it helps spark conversation and gauge reactions of other players very well. Basically you're saying players who don't random vote are scummy, and that's just silly.

[hewitt]

they are scummy, because they're trying to avoid responsibility for votes they would otherwise have to place. So when DO you decide to vote?

It's clearly not scummy at all and it helps give me and everybody else an early read on fellow players like yourself. I decide to vote when I want voted player to be lynched.

[hewitt]

It would seem like the last sentence could be used to dampen the serverity of the vote.

Unvote
Vote: Farside

Not OMGUS:

First you supported me, then suddenly about 2-3 people go against me, and you find a chance to change before everyone goes against you for the support you gave (posts a few posts back show suspicion coming onto you because of this). So you find a chance to vote me first, making it seem like you'd be the starter of it,without really being so. This seems REALLY scummy to me. Don't know about you guys.

This is like the fakest vote I've ever seen on this site.

[hewitt]

Konowa has a unique meta when it comes to me.

Konowa as town has always voted for me and finds some excuse to vote for me in the RVS.

He also likes to vote without real reason, one of his town tells. If he was scum, he'd have built up a better case before he attacked me.

Konowa's naturally an easy target for scum from my own experiences playing with him.

You failed to give any logical reasoning behind the two. I think Saber is scummier. Therefore you have tied yourself to him a slight bit. 106 is also interesting...

Where is this illogical leap in logic coming from? I totally do not see the connection at all.

Also, Where is Hewitt's vote? I don't remember him being on the DLA wagon.

Could've easily been answered if you'd just ISO'd me, completely unnecessary question.

DLA can you give any better reasoning for that vote in post 74? Because that was honestly God awful.

[hewitt]

DLA can you give any better reasoning for that vote in post 74? Because that was honestly God awful.

I think it'd seem like a good tactic..

I don't care whether you thought it was a good tactic or not it was still a shitty reasoning.

Please explain what is "fake" about the vote. If it is the "fakest" vote you have ever seen, please explain why it has not warranted your vote.

Just because something is fake doesn't mean it's not subjective. Just because I feel like that vote was fake doesn't mean I'm just going to vote for a stupid townie. When I feel like I've caught scum I'm going to vote, not just vote for the first player I think has done something stupid. Because many stupid townies make mistakes.

[hewitt]

What is saber attack on Hewit laughable? Don't you think it's better to have some discusion to get us off the RVS stage?

For the record though that would be me who got us out of the RVS stage not saber.

Maybe he's gay. (no offense.)

Vote: kiku

That post is sooooooooooooo stupid. I'm not gay.

unvote

This vote was so stupid and the post by kiku was also.

Basically right now this game sucks and is absolutely going nowhere and I honestly don't even know what else to comment on. Which is...you know...always great...

[hewitt]

Thanks yo I mean I'm really not sure what else to say lol.

[hewitt]

Ugh yeah I know. I was hoping someone would vehemently disagree so we can start conversation somehow but apparently that didn't work.

[hewitt]

Anything, I really don't care honestly as long as it starts discussion SOMEHOW.

[hewitt]

saberwolf we won't be in LYLO...

[hewitt]

I'm really not all that opposed to a Yarmond lynch considering we've got nothing else going on for us. Lurker lynches just always kind of bother me because we are probably going to hit town and that's just never really a good thing obviously.

[hewitt]

I just said I'm fine with a Yarmond lynch but at the same time there's that nagging in the back of my head like damn...we're probably not going to hit scum here. And of course that would bother me.

[hewitt]

I think the best idea for today would be to lynch a player who is here yet hasn't shown any signs of being willing to contribute anything to the game.

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

He's done absolutely nothing so far this game but ask pointless questions to other players and has not provided any original thoughts to the game. He doesn't even respond to the answers of the pointless questions that he's asking. Reading all the players in ISO I think it's pretty clear that ABR has been and most likely will be the most useless player in this game.

If the vote's on Yarmond as a policy lynch for not contributing anything then I'm going to vote for the even worse offender, the player who's here and posting and still not contributing.

[hewitt]

Keep in mind also CSL could have the same offense attributed to him as well. Although he's only been in the game for three days, so it's a tiny bit more excusable.

And Shotty to the Body is just as bad as ABR when it comes to posting without any true content. A lynch on either one of them is perfectly acceptable and I would back either one.

[hewitt]

Unvote, vote Saber

You're just voting whoever ppl tell you to.

FOS: hewitt

Yarmond is even more useless yet you don't vote him.

Yes, GREAT idea ABR, let's vote the player who's going to be replaced anyway instead of the player who actually is in the game yet actively chooses not to contribute anything original, thought-provoking, or helpful. Nice OMGUS though, my vote is reinforced by those posts. Meta is not an excuse, clearly.

[hewitt]

You haven't done shit all game. This is you:

"OK LETS CREATE DISCUSSION GUYS."

"LETS SPARK DISCUSSION."

"YEP YEP, AS LONG AS WE FIND A PLAN THAT MAKES DISCUSSION."

Bla bla bla.......some theory about fake voting......in other words, NOTHING. You have contributed NOTHING.

That was cute.

[hewitt]

Your anger amuses me ABR. How about instead of spewing middle school whiny fits you go back and actually build a competent case on me instead of huffing and puffing like a six year old who broke his crayon.

[hewitt]

Well I'm glad you've switched from tantrum throwing mode to zwetschenwasser mode.

[hewitt]

So why are you voting for me, now that I'm posting content? OMGUS? But, isn't that like, OMGUSing OMGUS?

Uh, I don't know why you would ever mistake moving into zwetschenwasser mode as meaning you're posting content. But congrats you've now moved back into tantrum throwing mode.

FYI- I voted you first, and made the case against you first. And what did you do in return? You OMGUSed both myself and saber, slung crap left and right, and are now making nonsensical posts.

[hewitt]

1. Go quote where you've provided original thought because you have not.
2. You did not respond to any of the questions you've asked in a manner that's progressive for the game.
3. You are not even close to the most useful player in the game and in fact, are the most useless (hence, why I'm voting you).
4. You are contributing.

This is all fact ABR. This is all easily seeable and available for everybody to see.

[hewitt]

Attempting to goad me into snapping at you isn't going to work ABR, get a new strategy and go quote where you've posted original thought.

[hewitt]

I'll pretend like that made sense and is applicable to anything that's been posted so far. Fairly positive I've never shown so much of a hint of caring about what the rest of the town thinks of me. Considering I was deliberately making outlandish statements in order to get the town to start talking. Clearly, an overcompensating mafioso wouldn't give that much of a shit and would let the town run away with the easy target Yarmond lynch.

And you still are apparently unable to provide any examples of you posting original content. I'm shocked. Anyways, I'm going tanning and since you're probably going to respond in two seconds hopefully we'll get some others chiming in here before I get back so this doesn't turn into an obnoxious one on one that floods the thread with useless jabber for everyone else to muck through.

[hewitt]

I really don't care about the little word games. You've still not added anything in your defense and still haven't provided any examples of providing original thought to this game. Your knack for avoidance is astounding.

[hewitt]

hewitt, I'm going to have to agree with ABR on this one. You have not contributed at all. I know I haven't contributed much either, but that's because I don't see anything that sets off my scumdar, EXCEPT this.

This is kind of a funny little misrepresentation here. When did I ever state that I've been a top contributor?

[hewitt]

It's funny that all the people I accused of not contributing are now voting me. Funny how that works. Anyways the real contributors to this game so far have been Kiku and farside. Reading ABR in ISO it's CLEAR that he hasn't even attempted to provide anything helpful to this game and at times is almost detrimental.

so now that you've tipped him off once he reads this, it means nothing.

mwahahaha

vote saber

You got that right!

I didn't appreciate being killed. I found it rude and uncalled for.

lol really?

shotty, do you like to bandwagon or are you more of a conservative player?

farside, thoughts on Dark Light?

Neto, can you link to DL's games and demonstrate the scumminess you allude to?

kikuchiyo, is that you (or representative of you) in your avatar?

Ok.

I will pretend I never read post 74 and allow you, DLA, the chance to make a sensible, logical post to replace it. Go now, I'm closing my eyes.

So Neto, do you have any reliable intel on what DLA's play as scum is?

Then it would be wise to assume that he makes these illogical leaps as scum as well.

Farside, have you deciphered post 74? Any comment?

ABR: I would assume so. My point is that illogical leaps alone should not be considered indicative of scumminess on his part.

I think it does. If he suffers form some kind of mental disability or other psychological handicap, I will grant you that this 21-year-old Norwegian may not be capable of critical thinking. Otherwise, anything he says will be held against him. Bar post 74, which we is the most convoluted, nonsensical piece of text that has yet to grace this game, and that I hope will be clarified any minute now.

so you're admitting to waiting for backing before committing? That's not very pro-town of you.

I agree with the fact that it seems only select people are talking.

Expand on that, my general.

I love you all.

Who the hell is Toro? Can we replace him?

That's it? Your first post in 6 pages and that's all you have to offer?

Unvote, vote Elibereth

You have a looooot of content to post before you can redeem yourself for your absence.

Looks like this game is slowing down. I'll be L/A for the next 10 days.

Catching up soon.

unvote, vote Yarmond

RECLAIM THE SPIRIT OF MAFIA!

Unvote, vote Saber

You're just voting whoever ppl tell you to.

FOS: hewitt

Yarmond is even more useless yet you don't vote him.

Also, this is my meta, so stick that vote up yours. Ask Neto.

You haven't done shit all game. This is you:

"OK LETS CREATE DISCUSSION GUYS."

"LETS SPARK DISCUSSION."

"YEP YEP, AS LONG AS WE FIND A PLAN THAT MAKES DISCUSSION."

Bla bla bla.......some theory about fake voting......in other words, NOTHING. You have contributed NOTHING.

Oh, and the best one:

"I'M THE ONE WHO TOOK US OUT OF THE RANDOM VOTING STAGE GUYZZ, LOOK AT MEEEEE"

Actually, I find this very fucking scummy indeed!

Unvote Saber, vote hewitt

-The hewitt creature tries too hard to look pro-town by repeating ad nauseum that it wants "discussion".

Really because my history of not voting shows that it helps spark conversation and gauge reactions of other players very well. Basically you're saying players who don't random vote are scummy, and that's just silly.

Anything, I really don't care honestly as long as it starts discussion SOMEHOW.

Basically right now this game sucks and is absolutely going nowhere and I honestly don't even know what else to comment on. Which is...you know...always great...

Ugh yeah I know. I was hoping someone would vehemently disagree so we can start conversation somehow but apparently that didn't work.

<--- nice going btw

-It is keen to hog the spotlight and subtly try to convince us that he's the most useful player:

What is saber attack on Hewit laughable? Don't you think it's better to have some discusion to get us off the RVS stage?

For the record though that would be me who got us out of the RVS stage not saber.

<--- Whateva man

-It's wishy washy behavior that could be setting up a future Yarmond vote in case his vote on me doesn't hook:

I'm really not all that opposed to a Yarmond lynch considering we've got nothing else going on for us. Lurker lynches just always kind of bother me because we are probably going to hit town and that's just never really a good thing obviously.

I just said I'm fine with a Yarmond lynch but at the same time there's that nagging in the back of my head like damn...we're probably not going to hit scum here. And of course that would bother me.

<-- that's a pwetty disclaimer you got there, NOT.

I'm quite happy.



Found scum!

So why are you voting for me, now that I'm posting content? OMGUS? But, isn't that like, OMGUSing OMGUS?

Oh, how unpleasantly unsurprising!

I think the best idea for today would be to lynch a player who is here yet hasn't shown any signs of being willing to contribute anything to the game.

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

He's done absolutely nothing so far this game but ask pointless questions to other players and has not provided any original thoughts to the game. He doesn't even respond to the answers of the pointless questions that he's asking. Reading all the players in ISO I think it's pretty clear that ABR has been and most likely will be the most useless player in this game.

If the vote's on Yarmond as a policy lynch for not contributing anything then I'm going to vote for the even worse offender, the player who's here and posting and still not contributing.

Have I provided original thoughts: Yup
Do I respond to the questions I'm asking hewitt: Yeeap
Have I been the most useful player in this game: Uh huh
Am I contributing overall: No doubt about it

So, hewitt, it seems like your barrage of lies has finally come to light! Face it, you've never voted anyone because they "weren't contributing", you were voting them to pursue your scummy agenda!

You vote whoever is the most useful person to vote for you at the time. The proof is in the pudding. If not by now you would have moved on to the next "non-contributing" player by now.

blablabla

All fact; No brag guyyz

Wrong! No fact; ALL BRAG!

How about you start explaining yourself to the town why you worry so much about what you look like? I mean, bro, isn't it a bit MUCH? Why are you being so needy for recognition? Could it be because you're an overcompensating mafioso that's trying to cover up?

Clearly, an overcompensating mafioso wouldn't give that much of a shit and would let the town run away with the easy target Yarmond lynch.

Wrong again...my oh my, you're bad at making true statements, aren't ya?

A good scum would let the town run away with the easy target Yarmond lynch, providing they are not partners of course, which I'm totally not discarding.

An

overcompensating scum

, would see it as an opportunity to look pro-town. That's because he's

overcompensating

.

Now, I have a high school friend's funeral to attend in half an hour, so I have to get ready.

You three, go pick out a quote from ABR that has been in any way helpful. Because there isn't one, in all of his posts. The evidence is right there.

[hewitt]

I can point out several posts in my ISO that were contributive so why did you name me? I understand why you named ABR, but it just appears as if you're fishing for a list of suspects when you name one that doesn't fit.

I didn't want to tunnel on just ABR because that would be just plain silly if I'd only been reading up and calling out one player.

Because I also think Saber is scummy for the contradictions in his posts and I was still deciding who to vote as I wrote the post, should I just not mention those suspicions? Considering I picked a vote I wasn't pretending to be undecided, I'm

decided

that I would accept either lynch right now.

"Not OMGUS, BUT" votes are always fake, DLA had no problem with Farside before she voted him. He claims she flipflopped by voting him but she said before she wasn't defending him, she was questioning Saber for putting words into DLA's mouth. If anything DLA is misrepresenting Farside's position which is scummy.

In my opinion that was really the only post of yours that was contributing in any way. If you think you have several posts that are contributive than I'd like it if you could point them out because I've reread you in ISO twice now and that's really all I've got. Perhaps I'm missing something but I really don't see anything else.

It's pretty set and clear that ABR and CSL have not contributed anything and you yourself agreed on ABR. So what exactly is your case/vote based on?

[hewitt]

There's another thing. You said you didn't want to appear as though you were tunneling.

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. I do not care about "appearing" to tunnel what I said was

I didn't want to tunnel on just ABR

The way you present your case is more focused on not being called scummy then actually catching someone, that's what bothers me about it the most.

Wrong again and a gross misrepresentation of my case and actions. I don't give a shit about "appearing" pro-town or any of that bullcrap.

Here's your posts 1, 3, and 5.

Chainsaw really isn't conclusive unless one party or the other is actually conf scum.

It would seem like the last sentence could be used to dampen the serverity of the vote.

Unvote
Vote: Farside

Not OMGUS:

First you supported me, then suddenly about 2-3 people go against me, and you find a chance to change before everyone goes against you for the support you gave (posts a few posts back show suspicion coming onto you because of this). So you find a chance to vote me first, making it seem like you'd be the starter of it,without really being so. This seems REALLY scummy to me. Don't know about you guys.

This is like the fakest vote I've ever seen on this site.

^ This

I can't decide if I want to vote Saber, DLA, or keep it where it is, choices choices... Ah what the hell

unvote, vote DLA

107 makes me want to lynch saber even more.

wtf? lol

I fail to see why in any light.

QFT

You failed to give any logical reasoning behind the two. I think Saber is scummier. Therefore you have tied yourself to him a slight bit. 106 is also interesting...

89 --> 103 are why I would vote Saber, why the contrast if he thinks Konowa is town? I point to 106 as my reasoning for voting DLA, I thought that was obvious given the arrow.

1 isn't truly helpful because it's just useless theory and standard gameplay analyzation. 3 you just seconded what I had said and then was wishy washy on who you wanted to vote for. But 5 is slightly better.

And I'm not sure if your current conversation is truly helpful because your case on your vote is virtually non-existent and isn't based on anything concrete. Saying "hey no I have been contributing YOU haven't been contributing" isn't really contributing lol.

[hewitt]

I know what you said, I translated it into what you meant. "I didn't just want to tunnel on just ABR." Means, I didn't want to be called out on tunneling on one player and I also wanted to keep my lynch options open. Neither of which is very pro-town.

Completely incorrect. What sense would it make for a town player to tunnel on one player and not be noticing what all the players are doing. That's completely stupid.

wow.. "Let me post all of ABR's posts and maybe someone will find something suspicious".. wow.

Complete opposite. Are you even paying attention? The whole point of posting all of ABR's posts wasn't so that someone could find something suspicious but to prove that ABR hasn't DONE anything.

[hewitt]

ABR you are so fake. What a fake, dishonest question to ask.

[hewitt]

No. Straight up. As honest as it gets. Please provide clues as to your scumbuddies identities.

I know you're delighted that your OMGUS case has garnered so many bandwagon votes. If I'm lynched scum will definitely win because I've never seen a town stupid enough to follow such a blatantly awful player like yourself.

[hewitt]

Don't even pretend like they aren't thoughtlessly following your stupid OMGUS vote. Must make you feel "powerful", congrats.

[hewitt]

This sentence is dumb on so many levels. What do my personal skills as a scumhunter have to do with your alignment? Zero.

Let's just pretend you're town for a second, even though you're not. If you think I'm awful, and everyone else is awful except kik and farside, who would you think is scum? And if you can't answer that, then you're even more awful than us, because you can't get a read on anyone.

It has everything to do with my alignment. Because I'm town and you're pushing a crap OMGUS wagon and yet the town is following you anyways. If a town is going to be that stupid then that's their own fault and the town is most definitely going to lose.

If you're scum then I would have to say DLA and Shotty are scum with you. You're the one who's going to steamroll the town into doing whatever you want them to do, DLA is the dopey, mindless follower who can't formulate a proper sentence much less a case, and Shotty is the under the radar player who's slightly surprised that he's getting a little bit of heat so early.

[hewitt]

Yeah you keep insisting that I've done something scummy yet this whole time you've yet to describe exactly how I'm scummy. In fact, the only thing you've done is present the OMGUS case. And you haven't even denied it. And what's with the fakeness again? The whole you're scum, I'm town statement is ridiculously fake.

[hewitt]

I really haven't insulted you. And if you are a town player then yeah you are playing awful and that's not my fault. And this is like the 20th post in a row where you have YET to prove how I'm scum. What's with the stalling?

And that last little paragraph right there is really really scummy. Turning lynches into a Player A v. Player B, one has to be lynched is an EXTREMELY scummy thing to do. Town players NEVER do that.

[hewitt]

Sweating because you know where the chips will fall? I didn't say they had to vote either one of us. You are misrepresenting me...let's just call it a night and check back on the game tomorrow. G'nite hewitt.

Not sweating at all. It really doesn't matter. If I die then the town is just going to be in deep shit. And since I'll be dead it really isn't my problem. And I didn't misrepresent you at all. You just made it a Player A or Player B lynch. And that's scummy as fuck.

[hewitt]

Nice phrasing... Personally I laugh when I read it though, seeing as you disproved your statement by posting his ISO.

And yet no one has actually dug through it and attempted to pull something out of there and pass it off as contributing. It's amazing how all you two do is talk and talk and yet never back up what you're saying.

You sure do seem to be sweating...

I'm not the type of player who's going to let idiocy slide. So obviously I'm going to call it out when I see it and unfortunately this game has a lot of it.

DLA go back up 1. your case/vote, because you've yet to do so and 2. that ABR has actually been helpful and contributive. Your refusal to back up anything you say is shockingly sophomoric.

[hewitt]

So basically your case/vote is based on me calling ABR's OMGUS vote on me OMGUS and that I've been making jokes. That doesn't even make sense. And those posts of ABR's that claim were helpful were most definitely not. The first one asked questions but absolutely no helpful discussion came from the responses and he didn't even properly respond to the responses. That is a fact. The response to your post lol are you kidding?

Ok.

I will pretend I never read post 74 and allow you, DLA, the chance to make a sensible, logical post to replace it. Go now, I'm closing my eyes.

You quote THIS as being helpful??? Good Lord what type of game am I in.

Then the following two posts asking for meta that he can look up himself and then responding with a neutral answer is supposed to be helpful too? We all know meta's usually a crapshoot anyways and on top of that he's supposedly basing his judgment of your playstyle off another player.

DLA that attempt sucked go back and try again. Or better yet, just don't because if that's the best you can strain to come up with it's only going to get even more downhill and nonsensical from here.

If I'm right about ABR being scum then this is most definitely a prime example of chainsaw defense and I'm at least 2/3, for sure, correct in my scum list.

[hewitt]

Wow, this is one heated debate. If Hewitt flips town, ABR will look stupid, If I'm correct.

Hewitt and ABR, keep arguing. It's fun watching you two have at it.

Truthfully I feel that ABR already kind of looks stupid but hey, maybe that's just because I have the inside knowledge on my role. I'm glad you're having fun watching though because honestly I feel bad. I get extremely annoyed with back and forths and usually I get totally dissociated with a game if there is one like the one that's been going on between ABR and myself. I would LOVE it if more people could weigh in.

[hewitt]

Jesus I feel like I'm playing with freshmen here.

Chainsaw Defense (Tarhalindur Version)
The general form of this tell is "a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum".
The key to identifying this tell is intent - it is possible to confuse Chainsaw Defense with a player who simply finds the attacker scummy and has no intent of defense. In general, you can be reasonably sure that this tell is involved if a) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense has not previously been especially critical of the player he is now attacking, and b) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense seems to find the player he is supposedly defending at least reasonably pro-town.
The extreme form of this tell is Mutual Chainsaw Defense, where two players defend each other by attacking each others' attackers. This is a major scumtell, and Tarhalindur would be willing to lynch/vig both players with only this tell as justification.
The Chainsaw Defense is named after the mental image of a player ripping apart another player with a chainsaw for daring to attack his ally. It should not be confused with the Cochrane Defense, which can also be referred to as the Chainsaw Defense (the Wiki refers to the Cochrane Defense this way), which is a gambit made by players investigated as scum. The Chainsaw Defense can also be referred to as the Bodyguard Defense in order to prevent confusion.
UPDATE: After further analysis, Tarhalindur has determined that the Chainsaw Defense is only trustworthy once the player defended has been revealed to be group scum (once the player defended is proved to be Mafia, any player that used Chainsaw Defense on the dead scum should be scrutinized). Otherwise, it is a null tell. Mutual Chainsaw Defense may, however, still be an outright scumtell; more research is required here.

[hewitt]

You know what, hewitt's play smells slightly like AtE...

It's really just that I'm, quite frankly, annoyed to be playing with some of these players. I mean come on, DLA doesn't even know the definition of chainsaw defense, neither DLA or ABR have taken the proper time to actually outline a competent case, it's annoying.

[hewitt]

Same here. Basically it's attacking a player who attacks your team mate. I happen to be against you, and so is ABR. I don't see the chainsaw in this.

Can you read? Like, honestly, CAN...YOU...READ?

If I'm right about ABR being scum

then this is most definitely a prime example of chainsaw defense and I'm at least 2/3, for sure, correct in my scum list.

Maybe I can simplify and bold this for you.

IF I'M RIGHT ABOUT ABR BEING SCUM THEN YOU ARE MOST LIKELY CHAINSAWING DEFENDING HIM.

This statement, is based off speculation. Which is all any of us have in this game. Unless you are scum, which again, I'm guessing I'm most likely right about, you don't know ABR's alignment. So that whole statement that you just made is ridiculous.

Players like you, who make dumbass statements like I happen to be against you and so is ABR are really prime examples of awful, awful Mafia players. And if you're town, which once again, I'm guessing is not likely, you are going to look like a dumb fuck after this game is over.

God this almost makes me wish I was playing with zwetschenwasser and Empking.

[hewitt]

According to what I see it's silly to say that you're attacking ABR.. I dunno.. Might just be the culture difference XD

And now you're spouting gibberish again great.

[hewitt]

Really ABR? Another weak, pathetic argument that has been inflated to look as if it's actually something significant? Filled with misrepresentations, incorrect usages of game terminology, and weak arguments to compensate for a case originated on an OMGUS. This has got to be a joke.

[hewitt]

You're OMGUSing

me

. You didn't attack me because you thought I was scum, you attacked me for being one of the many players who "weren't contributing" in your opinion. I voted you because I thought you were scum. And then you OMGUSed me.

Don't be fucking stupid.

"I may be scum, but I played a perfect game, and your reasons for voting me are crap! You're all awful players, voting me for all the wrong reasons!"

Actually no not all the players in this game are awful at all. Right now, it's pretty much just yourself and DLA.

[hewitt]

Since I AM at L-1 I would just like to state that if I am lynched ABR and DLA clearly need to go next, not necessarily in that order. I think a "town" that wouldn't lynch these two freshies after myself is a town that's definitely going to lose. And quite honestly, I would not mind if the town did lose. I don't even really care that it would count as a loss for me, it would probably just make me smile.

[hewitt]

Oh yeah, and I'm a vanilla townie.

[hewitt]

I can understand why a player would be disinterested in lynching Yarmond considering six days ago Lab Mafia said they were working on replacing them (when is that going to happen?) but the way Ellibereth just kind of stepped in and didn't say anything even remotely helpful or original is bothersome. Active lurking much?

[hewitt]

Defending a player who isn't here?? SERIOUSLY????

Seriously

Just reading elizabeth's post 276. Why are you voting hewitt? Nothing in that post shows a reason. How is hewitt misrep? Why are you taking one side over the other?

Ellibereth not elizabeth.
Cause I think he's scum.
He had a misrep in 218.
I think hewitt's scum.

Oop simul-post. At least Ellibereth is consistent in being unhelpful, unoriginal, and pretty much dead weight in this game.

[hewitt]

hewitt, I'm going to have to agree with ABR on this one. You have not contributed at all. I know I haven't contributed much either, but that's because I don't see anything that sets off my scumdar, EXCEPT this.

This is kind of a funny little misrepresentation here. When did I ever state that I've been a top contributor?

That's my misrep Ellibereth? It's dangerous to smoke crack and then play Mafia, be careful.

[hewitt]

Yeah and I immediately dropped it because I realized that CSL wasn't trying to insinuate that I quoted myself as being a top contributor. Slight miscommunication that really had no impact on discussion at all.

[hewitt]

Stop. Fucking. Accusing people of not contributing. It will never end.

Pointing out facts, which are things you have consistently shown to ignore when they're visible for everybody in the game to see.

At this point in time, people can vote for hewitt along with a simple DIE SCUM DIE! for all I care.

That's interesting.

[hewitt]

@Hewitt: You're still a suspect. Stop acting like you're the king of this game. That's the mod.

Clearly every player's a suspect, duh.

[hewitt]

Yah, they both defended Yarmond. So what? I fail to understand your logic.

Disagreeing with a case is FAR from defending that player.

Unvote

I'll go more in depth later in the post.

I could go for a DLA lynch today or tomorrow, if we lynched hewitt today and he flipped town I would be 100% behind a DLA lynch day two.

How would me flipping town point out to DLA being the correct lynch the next day?

I'm REALLY confused right now..

How are you confused

hewitt - Talks about sparky conversation by not voting during RVS. Don't agree that hewitt was the reason we got out of RVS. Lets try another method of not sparking discussion. What exactly where you trying to get people to disagree with you about?
Ask for conversation and again offer nothing to go on. The post for ABR is OMGUS. Reasoning is flawed! Talks about ABR not contributing but not till the case is on him from ABR. IE How fake is hewitts vote on a scale of 1 - 10 (10!) Oh and wow I see this as more questionable

There was CSL, Ellibereth, shotty, ect. Many can be accused of this but you only point to ABR, CSL and shotty. Please! Guess what only very few at this point were really actually contributing.
Sorry even if there was no vote on Hewitt there was a deffinate case on him that just feels like hewitt ignored. How is telling people to make discussion contributing. Why do you say your trying to get something going but it goes no where. Why do you point to ABR as a noncontributor in the game as your case when more then half the people in this game could be accused of this action?

Answering the questions in order. Any way possible I was trying to spark conversation, the game was killer dead. Telling people to make discussion isn't contributing. I was actively attempting to spark conversation somehow and it pretty much worked but unfortunately kind of went to a dead end, although different roads have recently begun popping up. Not sure if it's a result of anything I've done it seems to be more based on the Yarmond wagon.

I pointed specifically to ABR because he was one of the more vocal players in the game and yet nothing he had done had really sparked anything helpful in the game. I picked out CSL and Shotty as well because I felt they were right up there too. I did not pick out Yarmond, Konowa, and Ellibereth because they weren't active and there's no point in pointing out they're not doing anything helpful, that much was clear. I did not initially point out DLA (although I should've and quickly pointed him out later as another example). I did not point out farside, kiku, netopalis, and saberwolf because I felt they had attempted to spark conversation and lead conversation in productive manners.

I don't feel quite comfortable lynching ABR today. Normally I'd want to pick out the Mafiate who plays manipulatively and sneakily in order to subtly sway the town in their direction to lynch townies. I don't think ABR is that Mafiate at all and if anything is more of a SensFan. At this point in the game though I feel like the follower Mafiates who follow their leaders and attempt to fly under the radar are much easier to spot out.

Vote: Ellibereth

[hewitt]

What? *puts hand to head* I'm scared when I see people who use others style of play as an example and a term.

I used SensFan as an example because of a specific game I played with him where I was town, he was scum, I called him out on something and he responded irrationally and obnoxiously in kind of the same manner ABR did. I was lynched, flipped town and he went on to win the game as scum. Open 121 in case you were interested.

Okay hewitt how is it that telling people to have a discussion sparks conversations?

I didn't just "tell people" to have a discussion, I purposely said things in order to try and spark conversation and at first it failed miserably and then worked wonderfully. Whether or not said latter conversations where productive is questionable but I started them with the intent of productivity.

2) again how is it that asking people to have to disagree with you spark any conversation when you don't tell people what they are to disagree with.

What's the point of asking a question and then saying hey this is how I want you to respond? Same difference.

I pointed specifically to ABR because he was one of the more vocal players in the game

that was not your case on him at all in fact you said just the opposite about him in your case. In fact you stated this about him

Reading all the players in ISO I think it's pretty clear that ABR has been and most likely will be the most useless player in this game.

You're apparently not quite understanding the point or deliberately ignoring what else I've said about the decision to point out ABR. I didn't point him out JUST because he was one of the more vocal players in the game. I picked him out because he was a one of the most vocal players who had not sincerely made an attempt to start or carry productive conversation. That, to me, is uselessness. A very vocal player posting a lot of fluff and nothing substantial is useless.

That's pretty harsh considering others where not exactly playing this game at full throttle.

If I was going to start conversation I was going balls-out firestarting. I was sick of checking in to this thread and seeing three more posts of V/LA or yeah...this game is going nowhere...

I feel that vote of yours (against Ellibereth) is like a person who just got caught trying to make a bad case and trying to do a 180 to salvage yourself.

That really doesn't bother me, how you scumhunt is your own business but if we're not going to see eye to eye then I'm going to forget you and do this damn thing myself.

One thing I will agree with there is more here then those non contributors who dont' add anything to this game but there really is more then one person so your vote and logic is faulty.

Can't vote multiple people unfortunately so I have to assess which one I feel is most likely to be scum based off their separate actions. It's where less concrete reasonings such as intuition, speculation, and mannerisms come in to play.

I think what you meant to say was "

I feel that lynching ABR is impossible today.

"

That was silly. Go read Large Normal 92, I start in on Page 13. Impossible lynches mean nothing to me.

Of the 9 active players, 9 have either expressed a willingness to hammer you (kiku, Neto), drawn suspicion on you in one form or another (farside, DLA), or outright placed their vote on you (everybody else).

Is this supposed to intimidate me? This is the internet bud, I'm not going to get knifed in the heart during the middle of night, nothing to be scared of.

The problem here, is that you're barraged from all sides and at two dangerous inches from a sudden death

The problem with this here is that you're trying to insinuate that I'm backed into a corner and I'm not. Players accumulate votes and then the bandwagon dies, it's the way of the game and it would be silly to be scared of that.

I will accept an unconditional surrender of you, hewitt, to me, Albert. If you swear fealty to me, we can hunt down

Netopalis

. What do you say?

Neveeerrrr

HOWEVER, this doesn't mean I'm done with you, hewitt.

Also, if anyone sees a flaw with his statement, I will switch my vote back to him...

Way to back up the vote..


Hey, this is better play, eh?

Well that was an excellent way for CSL to decide to change his mind and flip sides without it seeming random. That was a scummy move on CSL's part.

[hewitt]

Listen up, nubcake.

Never

call me Sensfan unless you intend it as an insult.

I'm glad you would consider that an insult. Because I sure would. And I didn't call you SensFan I compared your style of play in this game towards me to SensFan's when I played with him. And I'm completely correct in that assessment, the similarities are remarkable.

[hewitt]

Does this not ask others to start discussion and every attempt you made failed.

Wildly inaccurate, my attack on ABR CLEARLY started a LOT of discussion.

[hewitt]

Your style is quite similar to a fellow we all used to know by the name of Battle Mage.

I do wish to know something though, hewitt. Indulge my little role-play if you will. If you were scum, and you needed to paint Neto as scum in this game, how would you do it? Alternatively, can you build a case on Neto? I know you've won a game as mafia, so it shouldn't be too difficult for you.

I suppose that wouldn't be an unfair comparison. Battle Mage was one of the main factors in my Mafia lose in Mafia #100 so I'm flattered. Painting Netopalis as a scum player would be very difficult but if I was attempting to do so I would link him DLA. I would probably play up that DLA is obv-scum and that there's no need to lynch him today and that it would be best to take out his stronger scum buddies. I would point out that Netopalis has consistently been weakly attacking DLA from the beginning without ever actually doing anything, distancing from his weaker scum partner. Netopalis has shown great displeasure with a lot that DLA has done and I would so most of the time it'd seem vote-worthy and the fact that he hadn't voted for him yet as disturbing.

It would most definitely be a difficult case to build.

[hewitt]

I would like to just point out that hewitt didn't take his vote off of ABR till (1) he realized no one was agreeing with him or (2) looking for an easier lynch.

I don't know how else to get it through to you. I don't care what you all do at this point. At this point I'm going to do my own thing and if people have common sense then that's great but if they don't then it really doesn't matter and there was nothing else I could've done anyway.

Go ahead and lynch me. Once I turn town, go for hewitt. If he ends up being town, then go for ABR, as he and hewitt made an argument. If hewitt flips scum, then ABR is town, and then go for DLA.

Horrible, horrible, horrible idea. What the fuck are you doing? Why the hell are you lining up lynches? And on D1 at that?

Lynching CSL is a mistake, he's a weaker player that everyone wagons onto because it's almost as excusable as a Zwet policy lynch.

I laughed out at loud at this and everybody in the office just looked at me.

And for the record, playing with DLA, CSL, and saberwolf all together really fucking sucks. Honest to good the most sporadic, nonsensical players ever. This little vote hopping thing that they're all so fond of is REALLY getting on my nerves. This is the first time ever I'm actually getting aggravated in real life over Mafia, congrats you three.

[hewitt]

Getting aggravated is not going to win you over with me. I'm still voting CSL.
For the record I hate meta. It's something both town and scum use. Scum use it to conceal their scumminess and town uses it to try and find scum by past performance. People can use meta against the town, which is why I find it a bad thing to go on.

You're...not...getting...me aggravated? And what are you talking about with meta? What is the relevance in this post?

[hewitt]

It's in regards to your post here

And for the record, playing with DLA, CSL, and saberwolf all together really fucking sucks. Honest to good the most sporadic, nonsensical players ever. This little vote hopping thing that they're all so fond of is REALLY getting on my nerves. This is the first time ever I'm actually getting aggravated in real life over Mafia, congrats you three.

...That clearly has nothing to do with you.

[hewitt]

I keep feeling people miss the point that so far 2 people are lining up lynches and find this behavoir excusable.

Why the hell are you lining up lynches?

[hewitt]

EVERYONE ON THAT LIST WAS "SCUMMY" EXCEPT FOR ABR AND YOU! IT'S THE MOST TRANSPARENT SCUM-HUNTING FAIL EVER!

Shotty's right that scumlist is a joke it's basically slanted so that every player who's had something negative to say about him is scum basically. It's a crapshoot and it's clearly an OMGUS mess.

Oh really? It only seems rock solid to your scum buddy..

Stupid, useless post.

I feel oblinged to:

Unvote
Vote: Shotty

This is some sweet modding. Will we have to close it ourselves at deadline or do we just continue?

Unvote, Vote: DLA

I cannot do it any longer, I CANNOT PLAY WITH THIS IDIOCY ANY LONGER. By idiocy I mean the constant OMGUS vote hopping, nonsensical posting, unhelpful nature that DLA, CSL, Ellibereth, and saberwolf seem so comfortable taking.

My God, lynch any of the four of them, at this point I really could not give two fucks.

[hewitt]

Yo Hewitt. Ask for a replacement, bro.

I'm good but thanks for your concern.

[hewitt]

Hmm. Let me try this again. Please don't go, hewitt love! We need you!

I

need you.

Thanks yo!

[hewitt]

Eh, I'd replace out, but it wouldn't do anyone any good, now will it?

The only way I'd get out of this game is if I

Unvote

and quite possibly

Vote: CSL

I had fun, but there are some kinks I need to work on, and it won't do in this game

WWWTTTFFF replace his ass.

So, hewitt love. Now that we are best buds and all. Can you tell me the abridged story of Twilight / New Moon?

Sure. I've even got Eclipse and Breaking Dawn memorized.

[hewitt]

I said I wasn't going to ask ABR again for his reasoning, so I guess I'm left with little other choice.

Unvote, vote: ABR

He's not the best play today (That's DLA), but I want to use this vote to send a message that, well, I'd really like an answer to that question and to preserve my earlier reasoning about his possible scummishness.

I agree about the best play of the day but it's really useless to vote ABR, I don't think he gives a shit.

[hewitt]

Now I'm turning my vote into something a bit more serious. ABR has been all over the chart today in regards to hewitt. Originally, he attacks him for no real reason. Now, he's buddying up to him like they've been best friends since time immemorial. I really think that this deserves a bit of explanation. Still maintain that he's not the play today...but perhaps tomorrow.

I don't think it's buddying up so much as it's overly sarcastic convo back and forth.

[hewitt]

Self voting is a null tell. There is no reason to condemn Serial for CSL's actions.

Welcome replacements!

I need to catch up. There seems to be another page or two behind me.

What killed the Hewitt bandwagon?

Unvote

Where have you been? That was a great job of making yourself so forgettable that you slip through everybody's minds.

Hm. I was under the impression that CSL's scumminess was somewhat dependent on him being scum partners with hewitt. Which makes me wonder why the wagon was redirected to the "secondary" suspect. Seems like those who find CSL scummy should be perfectly happy with a Hewitt lynch, no? Maybe I missed something. I still need to catch up.

That was a great incorrect statement. Yeah, you really need to catch up.

you're looking at the wrong guy to ask anything. I don't have a case on anybody. All I have are info lynch scenarios. That and the fact the my gut doesnt trust ABR. If you look I have been very happy just to throw my vote around. I don't plan on doing any work. This is delliberate. I'm more curious to see who wins me over in a ABR/DLA/Hewitt showdown. When the dust has settled, I'll be able to draw some conclusions. Until then, I have seen everyone accused with a case up to this point, so I'm just gonna continue my game of musical votes until it gets me somewhere...I believe ABR is next.

vote: ABR

You honestly still think ABR is scum?

[hewitt]

I have no case on ABR, but his feeling of invincibility has me uneasy. However, I have reason to believe that he is town. I'm just vote hopping, trying to find something that I can finally lock down and go, this is why he deserves my vote.

Why in good heavens would you think vote hopping is a good idea???

[hewitt]

saberwolf hast most definitely shown a lot of crappy anti-town behavior so far that, in my opinion, makes me a viable lynch. But you most certainly have no room to laugh at him DLA because you've been much worse and you just look like an egghead doing that.

[hewitt]

In this particular game saber has vote hopped like no other and will be absolutely impossible to read as scum or town in the later stages of the game considering he has not put any concrete, discernible thought into anything he's done. On top of that, as he knows, I disagree with how he's been playing the site and all the members on it along with animorpherv and I do not condone his behavior.

[hewitt]

To be honest, I think that Neto, DLA are scum...I didn't really find Neto's answer to hewitt's case that convincing.

...That wasn't even a real case that was a fake case. I don't think Netopalis is scummy at all and that "case" didn't need a response from him.

[hewitt]

Because it's a faulty case that only scum would drive but that's very interesting that you find it viable.

[hewitt]

he.

What do you want me to say about the replacements?

Can you do something in this game? I'm almost regretting unvoting you.

[hewitt]

you're claiming scum?

Never mind I'm not regretting unvoting Ellibereth have you read this game DLA? The case I made on Netopalis was a fake case that ABR asked me to make, as an example of a case of Netopalis made from a scum player. I then cooperated and made that fake case. It's not a real case you %@#!$d people, it's fake and only scum would see actual reason to follow it because it's not real.

I don't see what's so pro-town about Neto...

That's because you clearly have not read this game.

[hewitt]

Wow, well. That was probably the most intelligent post this game has seen so far.

[hewitt]

Oh my God I wanted to vomit after reading Ellibereth's last post.

[hewitt]

woah, hewitt's in this game too? :shocked:

Yes yes we share too many games. I just asked you a direct question in another, go answer it.

[hewitt]

I did. I find it curious how you aren't consistent in all games too...at least I am...

Why should I be? At least in this game you've got players that are SEVERELY worse than you in terms of unhelpfulness and anti-town behavior. Seriously though I would not mind you being lynched at all.

[hewitt]

I'm back bitches.

Another inspirational post!

unvote; vote: DLA

I did witness this, and yeah, I have a tendancy to vote where the wind blows...does this wind puff true north? I sure hope so.

unvote; vote: SC

unvote; vote: DLA

The winds have shifted momentarily...

I hate you.

Wow. Look at this mountain. or is it a molehill?

Seriously, sometimes I will try and paint someone scummy when I think they are town to try and keep them safe at night. Or I will act scummy enough to keep myself safe at night. I could link you to a game, but I think Saber was in it. I played a little scummy to stave off the nk because I had the role of doc. "Setting up lynches" is an entirely subjective scum tell in that regard. Unless you have a specific point(which I may have missed, tl;dr) I suggest we move on.

Does anyone want to post an update for me? My reading time is limited.

If your reading time is limited then get out of this game because it's moving rather swiftly and you're absolutely no help. Get out.

Next up I have a theory about scum. I think when I see people who make as many catty comments has STTB does by down playing what another person says it makes me start to wonder is he doing this for any town reason?
I can see scum using comments to down play another player so that no one will want to listen to their comments and he can sweep it away as someone he finds "moronic"
A list of comments he's made towards mostly me with one towards DLA.

I like how you deftly ignore all the comments ABR made towards me in this manner yet apply it quite graciously to Shotty.

Hewitt, you too. Do you have any good news for me about Neto and clergyman? Let's get this on the way.

No, not really. The good thing about this Day is that it's taught me who not to ever trust in this game and to pretty much do my own thing and not listen to any of you because...you all suck. Or something of those sorts. I'm not voting Netopalis, Shotty, ABR, farside, or SC today. End of discussion.

Sensfan is a perfect example of a player who does this. It's why my vote hasn't changed at this point.

Damn it I'm not even in any games with him yet I can't get rid of SensFan.

I'd be perfectly happy with lynching Serial just because of CSL's play, but I think Neto's much scummier.

Yeah and it'd be great if you actually stated a reason WHY Netopalis is scum instead of just spitting out posts explaining what he did and stating "oh he's scummy". How about you actually do something for once?

In case you're wondering, this is my town meta.

Is that supposed to me anything significant? Who gives a fuck if it's your "town meta", that can easily be manipulated. Not that stupid kiku.

Elibereth: You're a girl until you earn the right to have a username that confuses your physical gender with your preferred presented gender.

HAHA.

Whatever you say.
Doesn't change that you're scum.

Will you quit being AWFUL and do something to back up what you say?!

DLA: your whole case is pretty BS.

Wow finally getting some sense out of you. You're currently my favorite out of all the players that I hate in this game.

I think that if we lynch from the pairs of those opposed to one another that we would either hit scum, or reveal that the other player is scum, no? But I guess that circles back to the discussion on setting up lynches.

Hoe my God this is the most awful idea I've heard yet, and I've been subjected to all of Ellibereth's posts. IT'S DAY ONE KIKU. Most likely, over half of these fights back and forth are between two town players. That is the most anti-town suggestion I've ever heard.

Say what?? They are similar IN NO WAY. In the first he actually legitimately claims scum. He says go scum in his post for God's sake. He acknowledges he's been caught. In the second game, he does no such thing. He is disappointed at his game. He's sorry to the group, thinking about replacing out but feeling it wouldn't help.

This is correct. Everybody who is trying to twist around that CSL claimed scum are playing opportunistically and/or ignorantly.

He picked the defeatist route without even defending himself.

Defeatist does not mean scum. I know this from personal experience.

Unvote, Vote: kikuchiyo

Not only deliberately avoiding everything controversy related in this game to stay out of the spotlight but offering the most anti-town plan I've ever seen in this game. I do not believe that anything kiku does is with a town intention, at all.

[hewitt]

I like how you deftly ignore all the comments ABR made towards me in this manner yet apply it quite graciously to Shotty.

I did say something to Albert when he was saying somethings to DLA that were not necessary. Quote these comments for me.

Uh are you kidding me? Go quote where ABR had attempted to degrade my comments like how you just said Shotty has done? You have GOT to be kidding.

Go read the game.

[hewitt]

kiku is hellishly vague.

Understatement of the year! Not only is kiku vague but they're deliberately not posting any substance to make themselves forgettable so they can slide right under the radar onto tomorrow without any limelight or heat on them at all.

[hewitt]

Ok...I read through all of Neto's posts:

#8: He agrees that meta is overrated, but still uses DLA's meta as an excuse for DLA's play.
#15: Says he will vote for DLA only if he doesn't put him in the danger zone. Later says it is to encourage DLA to post better. I don't see how that works.
#21: Says that Hewitt is the "easy target" scum found. I dunno, I think it would have been me, saber or DLA...
#27: Why are day 1 lynches worse than random? Why did you choose DLA and hewitt as the least useful people that you can get a read on others from? And did you ever do the hewitt reread?
#28: Hasn't voted for either CSL and DLA yet, after suggesting policy lynch.
#35: He sounds like voting Albert was some sort of inevitable result. Why so sure DLA is the best play of the day? You haven't even voted for him.
#36: Ooh! Ooh! Isn't the last sentence lining up lynches?
#38: Why doesn't what the original player did pass over? I disagree.
#41: It's what Saber's been doing the whole game, why only mention it now?
#46: Wants a polivy lynch here again.
#55: Continues to vote for people because they'll be dangerous or playing bad. Not because he thinks they are scum.

Unvote, Vote Neto

This Ellibereth? This does not once say I think Netopalis is scum because of X reason. This is all just a summary of what he's done. That's bullcrap.

[hewitt]

hewitt, why don't you just sit tight in the corner and let the scumhunters do their job.

No because you all effing suck at it.

[hewitt]

hewitt, why do you speak to me like you have a clue? Maybe it's time you get yourself a manual hobby, like knitting. Craft yourself some nice mittens for chi-town winter. All dick measuring contests aside, please let me do what I do best so we can win this game. Okay? Please? Hand the reins over to me.

You can do whatever the hell you want to do in this game. I don't give a shit, and I don't think you're going to be successful. So I'm going to do whatever the hell I want because I know I'm a lot more level-headed and analytical than you are. I do think you're town but we're definitely going to be running parallel, non-intersecting paths in this game. So go back and return to whatever you were doing, "scumhunting".

[hewitt]

hewitt, do you think I'm a mason?

No. Considering I can't really think of a single player you haven't attacked I would guess not.

Hewitt, how was my post different from Ojanen's.

It's not so much the fact that your post is so much different from Ojanen's (who actually stated reasoning) it's more that you haven't done ANYTHING helpful this entire game. You don't even state the reasonings why the players you're voting are scum. You are absolutely useless in this game and it sucks not voting for you right now but I think kiku is the smarter lynch.

[hewitt]

6. Hewitt claimed vanilla. And I believe him. Now what I want him to do, is to stop acting like he's the head honcho of the game when he has the role that has the least information in the game. I would appreciate if he acted less certain. Questioning himself more often would be good for everyone.

There shouldn't even be a "head honcho" in the game. And the fact that you think there even could be is completely flawed. This is why I don't listen to you.

True. So I understand that you think I'm a vanilla townie that has as much information as you. However, there's a difference between you and me. I'm unclaimed. This automatically makes me, and everyone else in the game, more valuable than you, because we have the

potential

of being masons. So you running stubbornly against the grain, doing the exact opposite of the direction the town is taking, is stupidity.

I am not like you. I am careful. I look to others before making concrete decisions. I make exception of stubborn idiots, though. A lot of people were dismissing my case on SC, fine, I move on. A lot of people seem interested in Nets getting lynched, great, let's kick him out.

Be attentive to the cues, hewitt.

Value means nothing to me. I don't care how valuable anybody thinks they are, claimed or not, everybody has an equal chance of being scum. Somebody can claim Mason and be scum with the Masons not counter-claiming. This all means nothing to me, your cues mean nothing to me, I don't trust your judgment, simple as that.

[hewitt]

I think you have an overblown sense of entitlement, but I can relate to that. What I want you to do is to listen to what others have to say more often. It doesn't have to be me, Neto, clergyman, or any of the most active posters. But be a guy that pays attention to what others have to say, not a fucking loser who can only complain about how the town has failed to catch the scums.

Oh I'm reading. I'm reading it all. I'm just not going to play like a fucking robot clone who follows the active posters like a little pawn. If you've got a good, rational case then clearly I'll be intrigued and perhaps vote for the accused. Otherwise, forget about it.

[hewitt]

Then follow the less active posters, hewitt. You are but a blind claimed townie, but you're behaving like how I think a mason would behave: sure of himself, leading the charge, telling the town who he definitely isn't lynching, etc.

What less active posters do you think I'm following ABR? I've stated several times that I think the majority of the less active posters should not make it past this day. I'm following nobody right now

[hewitt]

I think a claimed town shouldn't be doing the opposite of what everyone else is doing because he thinks he's better than anybody else. Let that be clear.

It's not everyone, not at all. The players I'm not going to trust to follow because I don't trust their judgment or alignment are yourself, Ellibereth, kiku, DLA, and saber. That's less than half the game and not even close to everybody if I'm doing my math right.

[hewitt]

Hewitt + CS + Neto pair?

More like I'm not going to listen to a player who's been playing like crap this whole game like you.

[hewitt]

I don't understand the Netopalis lynch at all. Nobody's made a real competent case that I can find.

[hewitt]

I'm satisfied with that claim. As long as you are not a mason I'm fine with the lynch. It improves our odds of keeping them together and pulling a full force mason claim. Anti-town of me? Of course, to a degree, but it has come to the point where everybody is attacking everybody, and I don't think anybody is on anybody's side anymore, the ultimate bussing I've ever seen. I'm tired of running in circles.

So instead of lynching a useless player who isn't going to help us at all (kiku, Ellibereth, DLA) tomorrow you're lynching a player who actively contributes. That's a great idea saber.

[hewitt]

We get more info from a neto lynch then we do a kik one for example. Lynching a lurker does us no good for day 2 as a town flip. We then result to the same old debate as we had today. At least with a one side flip of this battle we see sides start to form and draw better conclusions.

So then what do you suggest we do tomorrow? We're going to have all these fucking bullshit lurkers, would tomorrow be the correct day to lynch them? We're risking a town flip today and then lynch a lurker which is an even bigger question mark tomorrow?

[hewitt]

Looks like I missed all the fun while I was lurking.

If Neto flips scum then SC is scum?

If Neto flips town then ABR is scum?

Yes, no, from everyone please.

This is bullcrap.

[hewitt]

Huh, finally a case that's actually spelled out and understandable. It's actually a pretty good case now that someone has taken the time to explain it thoroughly.

[hewitt]

Neto, that's a pointless statistic.

Do I even need to say this again? I think you're a pointless player.

[hewitt]

Every 5 post you are spitting venom at Ellibereth because he's new. Were you so hurt in your first game here that you have to insult every new player you come across? Is this your sense of justice?

Shut the fuck up.

I couldn't give two shits if he's new or not I'm not going to just let somebody not do anything because they're new. My first game I did quite swimmingly so I don't expect anything less than somebody's best all the time. I've quite clearly stated what I've wanted from Ellibereth and that was a REASONING why the players he's been voting for are scum and every single time he has failed miserably and hasn't even made an attempt to do it. It's bullshit and I'm not going to stand for it in a game where we've got like 4 Ellibereths.

[hewitt]

And listen ABR you don't run this fucking town as much as you're attempting to and as much as you'd like to think that you are. So don't get off telling me what to do because clearly A) I don't give a shit and B) it's clearly not going to be effective. It's downright stupid for you to sit there and try to tell me what to do when it should be pretty damn clear that I'm not going to be a stupid pawn like Ellibereth, DLA, the old CSL, kiku and let you dictate me.

So how about you shut the fuck up.

[hewitt]

I like where my vote was when this day ended.