Open 184: Friends and Enemies Mafia (Over)

[Albert B. Rampage]

so now that you've tipped him off once he reads this, it means nothing.

mwahahaha

vote saber

[Albert B. Rampage]

You got that right!

[Albert B. Rampage]

I didn't appreciate being killed. I found it rude and uncalled for.

lol really?

[Albert B. Rampage]

shotty, do you like to bandwagon or are you more of a conservative player?

farside, thoughts on Dark Light?

Neto, can you link to DL's games and demonstrate the scumminess you allude to?

kikuchiyo, is that you (or representative of you) in your avatar?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ok.

I will pretend I never read post 74 and allow you, DLA, the chance to make a sensible, logical post to replace it. Go now, I'm closing my eyes.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So Neto, do you have any reliable intel on what DLA's play as scum is?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Then it would be wise to assume that he makes these illogical leaps as scum as well.

Farside, have you deciphered post 74? Any comment?

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR: I would assume so. My point is that illogical leaps alone should not be considered indicative of scumminess on his part.

I think it does. If he suffers form some kind of mental disability or other psychological handicap, I will grant you that this 21-year-old Norwegian may not be capable of critical thinking. Otherwise, anything he says will be held against him. Bar post 74, which we is the most convoluted, nonsensical piece of text that has yet to grace this game, and that I hope will be clarified any minute now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

so you're admitting to waiting for backing before committing? That's not very pro-town of you.

I agree with the fact that it seems only select people are talking.

Expand on that, my general.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I love you all.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Who the hell is Toro? Can we replace him?

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's it? Your first post in 6 pages and that's all you have to offer?

Unvote, vote Elibereth

You have a looooot of content to post before you can redeem yourself for your absence.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Looks like this game is slowing down. I'll be L/A for the next 10 days.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Catching up soon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

unvote, vote Yarmond

RECLAIM THE SPIRIT OF MAFIA!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Saber

You're just voting whoever ppl tell you to.

FOS: hewitt

Yarmond is even more useless yet you don't vote him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, this is my meta, so stick that vote up yours. Ask Neto.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You haven't done shit all game. This is you:

"OK LETS CREATE DISCUSSION GUYS."

"LETS SPARK DISCUSSION."

"YEP YEP, AS LONG AS WE FIND A PLAN THAT MAKES DISCUSSION."

Bla bla bla.......some theory about fake voting......in other words, NOTHING. You have contributed NOTHING.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh, and the best one:

"I'M THE ONE WHO TOOK US OUT OF THE RANDOM VOTING STAGE GUYZZ, LOOK AT MEEEEE"

[Albert B. Rampage]

Actually, I find this very fucking scummy indeed!

Unvote Saber, vote hewitt

-The hewitt creature tries too hard to look pro-town by repeating ad nauseum that it wants "discussion".

Really because my history of not voting shows that it helps spark conversation and gauge reactions of other players very well. Basically you're saying players who don't random vote are scummy, and that's just silly.

Anything, I really don't care honestly as long as it starts discussion SOMEHOW.

Basically right now this game sucks and is absolutely going nowhere and I honestly don't even know what else to comment on. Which is...you know...always great...

Ugh yeah I know. I was hoping someone would vehemently disagree so we can start conversation somehow but apparently that didn't work.

<--- nice going btw

-It is keen to hog the spotlight and subtly try to convince us that he's the most useful player:

What is saber attack on Hewit laughable? Don't you think it's better to have some discusion to get us off the RVS stage?

For the record though that would be me who got us out of the RVS stage not saber.

<--- Whateva man

-It's wishy washy behavior that could be setting up a future Yarmond vote in case his vote on me doesn't hook:

I'm really not all that opposed to a Yarmond lynch considering we've got nothing else going on for us. Lurker lynches just always kind of bother me because we are probably going to hit town and that's just never really a good thing obviously.

I just said I'm fine with a Yarmond lynch but at the same time there's that nagging in the back of my head like damn...we're probably not going to hit scum here. And of course that would bother me.

<-- that's a pwetty disclaimer you got there, NOT.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm quite happy.



Found scum!

[Albert B. Rampage]

So why are you voting for me, now that I'm posting content? OMGUS? But, isn't that like, OMGUSing OMGUS?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh, how unpleasantly unsurprising!

I think the best idea for today would be to lynch a player who is here yet hasn't shown any signs of being willing to contribute anything to the game.

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

He's done absolutely nothing so far this game but ask pointless questions to other players and has not provided any original thoughts to the game. He doesn't even respond to the answers of the pointless questions that he's asking. Reading all the players in ISO I think it's pretty clear that ABR has been and most likely will be the most useless player in this game.

If the vote's on Yarmond as a policy lynch for not contributing anything then I'm going to vote for the even worse offender, the player who's here and posting and still not contributing.

Have I provided original thoughts: Yup
Do I respond to the questions I'm asking hewitt: Yeeap
Have I been the most useful player in this game: Uh huh
Am I contributing overall: No doubt about it

So, hewitt, it seems like your barrage of lies has finally come to light! Face it, you've never voted anyone because they "weren't contributing", you were voting them to pursue your scummy agenda!

You vote whoever is the most useful person to vote for you at the time. The proof is in the pudding. If not by now you would have moved on to the next "non-contributing" player by now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

blablabla

All fact; No brag guyyz

Wrong! No fact; ALL BRAG!

[Albert B. Rampage]

How about you start explaining yourself to the town why you worry so much about what you look like? I mean, bro, isn't it a bit MUCH? Why are you being so needy for recognition? Could it be because you're an overcompensating mafioso that's trying to cover up?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Clearly, an overcompensating mafioso wouldn't give that much of a shit and would let the town run away with the easy target Yarmond lynch.

Wrong again...my oh my, you're bad at making true statements, aren't ya?

A good scum would let the town run away with the easy target Yarmond lynch, providing they are not partners of course, which I'm totally not discarding.

An

overcompensating scum

, would see it as an opportunity to look pro-town. That's because he's

overcompensating

.

Now, I have a high school friend's funeral to attend in half an hour, so I have to get ready.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hewitt, who are your scum partners? Non-hypothetical question.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No. Straight up. As honest as it gets. Please provide clues as to your scumbuddies identities.

[Albert B. Rampage]

They're not following me. They just see how scummy you are. I'm delighted I could play a minimal role in bringing the scum out of you, hewitt.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If I'm lynched scum will definitely win because I've never seen a town stupid enough to follow such a blatantly awful player like yourself.

This sentence is dumb on so many levels. What do my personal skills as a scumhunter have to do with your alignment? Zero.

Let's just pretend you're town for a second, even though you're not. If you think I'm awful, and everyone else is awful except kik and farside, who would you think is scum? And if you can't answer that, then you're even more awful than us, because you can't get a read on anyone.

Farside, kik, will you guys just hammer this scum fellow for town's sake please?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Don't even pretend like they aren't thoughtlessly following your stupid OMGUS vote. Must make you feel "powerful", congrats.

I have nothing to feel powerful

about

. For all I know, tomorrow everyone might think that I was

bussing

you. I might get lynched for it. And even though you vehemently deny it, you've acted incredibly scummy in this game. It's only natural you're about to be voted off.

I don't know what you put in your head, but I have no conflict with you outside this game. You're scum. I'm town. We fight to win the game for our side. That's all there is to it, at least on my part.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I admit I haven't brought my A-game here. But insulting me and repeating how bad you think I am isn't going to get you out of a lynch this time, scumbag.

Hewitt, it seems that talking to you is like talking to a wall. But you're right, I have to do more than just call you scummy, I have to prove it to you. Very well.

Ellibereth, Netopalis, kikuchiyo, farside22, I'm asking you to be the judges. If you had to lynch one of me or hewitt right this instant, who would it be?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sweating because you know where the chips will fall? I didn't say they had to vote either one of us. You are misrepresenting me...let's just call it a night and check back on the game tomorrow. G'nite hewitt.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Alright first I want to make one thing clear. Don't vote for people "for not contributing". It's a void argument. A vote

is

a contribution.

FOS Farside

And now, this is why hewitt is scum:

I agree with farside and I'm going to take the Masons day by day. Right now the stats really mean nothing to me.

Buddying up with farside, buttering her up.

It would seem like the last sentence could be used to dampen the serverity of the vote.

Unvote
Vote: Farside

Not OMGUS:

First you supported me, then suddenly about 2-3 people go against me, and you find a chance to change before everyone goes against you for the support you gave (posts a few posts back show suspicion coming onto you because of this). So you find a chance to vote me first, making it seem like you'd be the starter of it,without really being so. This seems REALLY scummy to me. Don't know about you guys.

This is like the fakest vote I've ever seen on this site.

Chainsaw defense of farside.

Konowa has a unique meta when it comes to me.

Konowa as town has always voted for me and finds some excuse to vote for me in the RVS.

He also likes to vote without real reason, one of his town tells. If he was scum, he'd have built up a better case before he attacked me.

Konowa's naturally an easy target for scum from my own experiences playing with him.

We all know meta's usually a crapshoot anyways

Contradiction. He says that Konowa's meta is that he's an easy target, and then he says that meta is useless. So why did he talk about his experience of Konowa's play? It doesn't make any sense,

unless

he doesn't give a shit whether meta is useful or not and is just selectively using different elements of mafia when they

suit

him. There are many examples of this.

If I'm right about ABR being scum then this is most definitely a prime example of chainsaw defense

You did one yourself of farside, cited earlier. Now I don't know if a chainsaw defense is scummy or not, but when you arbitrarily apply mafia concepts to one player and not yourself when you are both doing the same thing, that is

extremely scummy

. Even without a vote -you said you don't like to vote in the beginning-, you are clearly attacking DLA for attacking farside. Chainsaw defense.

Then there's my original overcompensating argument. Many a post you make is an attempt at courting the town's favor

in full conscience

of the act.

-A huge emphasis on "creating discussion", instead of just discussing

-The hewitt creature tries too hard to look pro-town by repeating ad nauseum that it wants "discussion".

Really because my history of not voting shows that it helps spark conversation and gauge reactions of other players very well. Basically you're saying players who don't random vote are scummy, and that's just silly.

Anything, I really don't care honestly as long as it starts discussion SOMEHOW.

Basically right now this game sucks and is absolutely going nowhere and I honestly don't even know what else to comment on. Which is...you know...always great...

Ugh yeah I know. I was hoping someone would vehemently disagree so we can start conversation somehow but apparently that didn't work.

-Trying to take credit for pro-town things rather than look for scumtells:

What is saber attack on Hewit laughable? Don't you think it's better to have some discusion to get us off the RVS stage?

For the record though that would be me who got us out of the RVS stage not saber.

-Not wanting to look like he's tunneling:

There's another thing. You said you didn't want to appear as though you were tunneling. The way you present your case is more focused on not being called scummy then actually catching someone, that's what bothers me about it the most.

Now that's not all. Hewitt argues that Yarmond isn't a bad lynch, but that he will probably flip town:

I'm really not all that opposed to a Yarmond lynch considering we've got nothing else going on for us. Lurker lynches just always kind of bother me because we are probably going to hit town and that's just never really a good thing obviously.

I just said I'm fine with a Yarmond lynch but at the same time there's that nagging in the back of my head like damn...we're probably not going to hit scum here. And of course that would bother me.

This is the biggest example of overcompensating to me. These two posts

scream

"I want to look town".

He's not opposed to the lynch

, but hewitt warns us that Yarmond will probably flip town. This is exactly what scum would do.

Now soon after, he posts his case against me:

I think the best idea for today would be to lynch a player who is here yet hasn't shown any signs of being willing to contribute anything to the game.

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

He's done absolutely nothing so far this game but ask pointless questions to other players and has not provided any original thoughts to the game. He doesn't even respond to the answers of the pointless questions that he's asking. Reading all the players in ISO I think it's pretty clear that ABR has been and most likely will be the most useless player in this game.

If the vote's on Yarmond as a policy lynch for not contributing anything then I'm going to vote for the even worse offender, the player who's here and posting and still not contributing.

Lack of contribution. Got it.

I reply with a case of my own. I have crystal clear reasons for voting him (post 203), but he says that I'm voting him because I think he sucks (OMGUS).

But whereas his case on me consists of "OMGUS", which is actually not, lack of contribution, which actually exists only in his mind), and asking a hypothetical question, which he can't accuse me without condemning himself because he's used hypothetical situations too (eg: post 236).

However, the extent of his scumminess extends far beyond that:

I know you're delighted that your OMGUS case has garnered so many bandwagon votes. If I'm lynched scum will definitely win because I've never seen a town stupid enough to follow such a blatantly awful player like yourself.

"If I'm lynched scum will win". Straight from the standard scum playbook.

Wrong again and a gross misrepresentation of my case and actions. I don't give a shit about "appearing" pro-town or any of that bullcrap.

And this is just a flat-out lie. At this point hewitt is getting fairly agitated anyway, and just flailing about proclaiming that the town can't win, etc.

---

In conclusion, hewitt has been acting extremely scummy, more than anyone else in the game so far, and there's more than enough evidence to lynch him where he stands.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hewitt (4) : DarkLightA, Albert B. Rampage, Shotty to the body, saberwolf

...

Unvote

You both are scumtells, and nulltells...Gah, I can't decide.

You know what, hewitt's play smells slightly like AtE...

I don't know what to think of ABR.

Why did you unvote? Please vote hewitt again.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're OMGUSing

me

. You didn't attack me because you thought I was scum, you attacked me for being one of the many players who "weren't contributing" in your opinion. I voted you because I thought you were scum. And then you OMGUSed me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're presenting the classic Narcissistic Scum behavior-pattern:

"I may be scum, but I played a perfect game, and your reasons for voting me are crap! You're all awful players, voting me for all the wrong reasons!"

[Albert B. Rampage]

Farside, I asked you a DIRECT question.

Ellibereth, Netopalis, kikuchiyo, farside22. If you had to lynch one of me or hewitt right this instant, who would it be?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't think anybody cares whether you smile or frown at the end of the day, hewitt. We're here to catch scum, not cater to your petty emotional needs.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, I know it's kind of pointless now, but can you please explain why you originally suspected him?

Of course. Let me grab some coffee and pastry first, I'll be back soon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Take your time - we're in no rush here. We have a little more than 4 days before the deadline, and I'm holding my vote until a hammer is needed.

Okay, good. I'm actually feeling a bit sleepy right now since I ordered tea instead of coffee. But don't you worry Neto, I'm going to post you a more than adequate answer in the very near future.

Since Konowa has asked for replacement, and Yarmond is hopefully being replaced by our loving moderator lab mafia at the moment, there's no one else left but kikuchiyo to post her thoughts.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Stop. Fucking. Accusing people of not contributing. It will never end.

At this point in time I don't mind lynching farside22 either.

Ellibereth, what do you think of the other players? Can you quote instead of writing "post x"?

[Albert B. Rampage]

At this point in time, people can vote for hewitt along with a simple DIE SCUM DIE! for all I care. Not posting a lot of content isn't scummy, it's just lazy. Not voting for scum is scummy.

farside22, can you replace Lab Mafia?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Quit saying "the following" when it's "the above". Are you still suspicious of DLA?

It's clear to me that there are two types of players in this game:

-Players who generate new content:

Myself
Hewitt
Shotty
Netopalis
Farside22
Kikuchiyo

-Players who feed on existing content or don't post at all:

CSL
saberwolf
DLA
Ellibereth
Konowa (non-poster)
Yarmond (non-poster)

Now I don't know about you, but I sure as hell ain't going to start mislynching the second group while the scum NKs the first group every night. It's obvious that later in the game, scum will want to lynch the easy targets. I'm not looking for an easy target. We have to decide, right now, who among the key players are we going to trust or suspect.

Hewitt, despite the fact that I want you dead, I am willing to investigate the other players before the day ends. Analyze everyone in the first group and I will do the same.

Farside and Kikuchiyo also, I want to see some very detailed posts from you guys about the aforementioned key players in the game. Who is the most likely town? Who is the least likely town?

[Albert B. Rampage]

DLA, you seem like a very confused person. It's very hard to take anything you say seriously. For example:

Not posting a lot of content isn't scummy, it's just lazy.

Then vote Yarmond.

It looks as though you didn't understand what I wrote. You see, I don't want to vote for Yarmond, because I don't think a lack of content is an indicator of scumminess.

[Albert B. Rampage]

IDK. DLA is very random. I don't think there's a thought or a method to his actions.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Post 305 is addressed to you, farside...

[Albert B. Rampage]

Please respond? Why don't you please respond to a question that was asked to you last page by another player?

I wish you would just go away, DLA. I don't understand what you say. Your posts are so weird and deviant, I have trouble acknowledging that we are even in the same game.

I don't like the the Yarmond Wagon
184: He would probably be replaced way before lylo.

He posted 2 lines. He doesn't like the Yarmond wagon because Yarmond would probably be replaced. This is basically the same thing as what hewitt has been saying all along. Why is it scummy for Ellibereth but not for hewitt? Is this a double standard that you have or did you miss this information?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Look:

Yarmond is even more useless yet you don't vote him.

Yes, GREAT idea ABR, let's vote the player who's going to be replaced anyway instead of the player who actually is in the game yet actively chooses not to contribute anything original, thought-provoking, or helpful[/quote]

You see? Ellibereth just said the exact same thing as hewitt in fewer words and without sarcasm.

unvote
vote: Ellibereth

I don't like the the Yarmond Wagon

Defending a player who isn't here?? SERIOUSLY????

SCUM:
1. Ellibereth
2. Yarmond
3. ???

Yah, they both defended Yarmond. So what? I fail to understand your logic.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Look:

Yarmond is even more useless yet you don't vote him.

Yes, GREAT idea ABR, let's vote the player who's going to be replaced anyway instead of the player who actually is in the game yet actively chooses not to contribute anything original, thought-provoking, or helpful.

You see? Ellibereth just said the exact same thing as hewitt in fewer words and without sarcasm.

unvote
vote: Ellibereth

I don't like the the Yarmond Wagon

Defending a player who isn't here?? SERIOUSLY????

SCUM:
1. Ellibereth
2. Yarmond
3. ???

Yah, they both defended Yarmond. So what? I fail to understand your logic.[/quote]

[Albert B. Rampage]

Cut the head and the body will fall. You kill the head mafia and the minions will surely fall. This is the wisdom I've acquired after years of experience playing mafia.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think he expects the defense of yarmond to be scum motivated. It's not that hard to understand.
On a side not please stoop the personal insults.

Ohhhh, I'm sorry farside, I didn't know you were a mind reader. Can you tell us DLA's role too while you're at it? Don't try to justify someone else's actions unless you understand them. And I know for a fact that you don't understand DLA, because you keep saying so.

Yes hewitt, stop the personal insults. Oh, you mean me? I haven't insulted anyone. I find DLA's posts alien and discordant. That's not ad hominem.

Cut the head and the body will fall. You kill the head mafia and the minions will surely fall. This is the wisdom I've acquired after years of experience playing mafia.

What does this have to do with the price of coffee? This statement avoids everything I just asked.

If you can figure out which one of the key players is the scum, it will be a piece of cake to find out which players among DLA, CSL, Ellibereth, are scum.

On the contrary, if you lynch one of DLA and company, we get no information on the players in the first group.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I didn't contradict myself, I just told you to do something that I didn't do myself. Like a bad father telling his son to do as he says and not as he does. It's more that I realized after the fact what was going on. Everyone was just jumping on the easy targets Ellibereth, DLA and CSL. I think it's more beneficial to kill off the mastermind of the group so the scum's night debrief goes on much less intelligently.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I didn't contradict myself, I just told you to do something that I didn't do myself. Like a bad father telling his son to do as he says and not as he does. It's more that I realized after the fact what was going on. Everyone was just jumping on the easy targets Ellibereth, DLA and CSL. I think it's more beneficial to kill off the mastermind of the group so the scum's night debrief goes on much less intelligently.

That's a contradiction and I hate parents that do it.

First off, this is what happened: I thought like all of you guys, and "hey this useless players like Ellibereth must be purged!", but then I saw what was happening and decided to adopt a wiser strategy. So now I'm telling you to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

Second ignoring people that do not contribute and letting the scum take out the people contributing over those that are not helps the town how exactly come lylo?

I think that Day 1, we better lynch one of the players in the first category.

[Albert B. Rampage]

hewitt - Talks about sparky conversation by not voting during RVS. Don't agree that hewitt was the reason we got out of RVS. Lets try another method of not sparking discussion. What exactly where you trying to get people to disagree with you about?
Ask for conversation and again offer nothing to go on. The post for ABR is OMGUS. Reasoning is flawed! Talks about ABR not contributing but not till the case is on him from ABR. IE How fake is hewitts vote on a scale of 1 - 10 (10!) Oh and wow I see this as more questionable

In short I find hewitt scummier then ABR between the two.

Yeah, hewitt has a lot to answer for. Good posting.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well DLA but I wouldnt' say he is a non contributor.

Yeah, I happen to consider myself more of a.. I dunno.. "Spread thoughts out and confuse everyone" guy?

Haha right on.

Okay, I'll coach you a bit.

First, you skim over the entire thread to get a good understanding of where the game is at.

I have a homework assignment for you: post all the major events in this game so far. Use hyperlinking for quick reference if you can.

Then, try to get a read on as many players as possible. Try to determine what their win condition is. And then post your findings.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Here's an example of one way to do it:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 20#1011720

[Albert B. Rampage]

Like this.

Quote this post to see how I did it.

(Type your message, select it all, click on the URL button on the top right, add =LINK inside the first url bracket)

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Shotty

Click the top left button on every post and copy paste the link from your browser.

visual example:

BUTTON Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject: 341

[Albert B. Rampage]

Farside is a mother, although her son's still young

Thanks kiku.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't feel quite comfortable lynching ABR today.

I think what you meant to say was "

I feel that lynching ABR is impossible today.

"

Of the 9 active players, 9 have either expressed a willingness to hammer you (kiku, Neto), drawn suspicion on you in one form or another (farside, DLA), or outright placed their vote on you (everybody else).

If you were scum, your buddies have either bussed or deserted you.

Let me tell you what.

Normally I'd want to pick out the Mafiate who plays manipulatively and sneakily in order to subtly sway the town in their direction to lynch townies.

I feel this way also. I don't like going for the easy targets on Day 1. You're not an easy target, hewitt, I'll give you that. The problem here, is that you're barraged from all sides and at two dangerous inches from a sudden death. I am not an unreasonable man. I will accept an unconditional surrender of you, hewitt, to me, Albert. If you swear fealty to me, we can hunt down

Netopalis

. What do you say?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I agree with my minions saberwolf and DLA.

In no specific, but somehow alphabetical order:

ABR: Very aggressive. Focusses on single people. I'm leaning towards town.

CSL: Very short, random statements, fluctuating votes. Seems to vote just to follow others. I'm leaning towards scum.

DLA: Town

Elli: Reading Elli's ISO surprises me. He hasn't helped one bit. Leaning towards scum.

Farside: Seems to weigh out all possibilities, and not jump on people. Farside is a skilled player, so this might be a trick to up your post count without getting into too much of a mess by accusing people directly.

Hewitt: Keeps on responding to threats, no matter how weird his responses turn out. Like this one:

It's funny that all the people I accused of not contributing are now voting me. Funny how that works.

Forgot that that doesn't apply? Seems quite scummy, but on the other hand this is really confusing me..

Kiku: No contribution really. When I saw this on the list of players I was like "Who's this?" until I saw the avatar.. Nothing much to say. More scum than town.

Konowa: See CSL

Lab Mafia: I'm leaning towards mod.

Saber: It occurs to me that all he's talking about is voting, voting and explaining his votes. Scummy.

Shotty: Seems to be just swooping along, trying to not appear protruding. Seems scummy.

MAFIA IN A PARTICULAR ORDER:
Hewitt
Elli
Saber
Shotty

DLA, why have you not included Netopalis in your read

?

I am leaning towards a CSL / Neto / Hewitt team at the moment.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Listen up, nubcake.

Never

call me Sensfan unless you intend it as an insult.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Your style is quite similar to a fellow we all used to know by the name of Battle Mage.

I do wish to know something though, hewitt. Indulge my little role-play if you will. If you were scum, and you needed to paint Neto as scum in this game, how would you do it? Alternatively, can you build a case on Neto? I know you've won a game as mafia, so it shouldn't be too difficult for you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote Count

Hewitt (3) - Shotty, Albert, Ellibereth

CSL (3) - farside22, DLA, saber
DLA (1) - CSL
Ellibereth (1) - hewitt

Does this not ask others to start discussion and every attempt you made failed.

Wildly inaccurate, my attack on ABR CLEARLY started a LOT of discussion.

Trying to validate your ego again, bad habits die hard tsk tsk

[Albert B. Rampage]

??

Unvote, vote CSL

[Albert B. Rampage]

AtE?

[Albert B. Rampage]

So it's between CSL, DLA and hewitt now? Farside, replace lab mafia and ban him for ever modding again plz.

[Albert B. Rampage]

CSL is way worse than DLA.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's fun to decide other players fates when we run no risk of dying, yeah? I like voting from my ivory tower. We're looking down on the township and we decide who lives and dies, without the danger of ever being lynched until day 2.

[Albert B. Rampage]

A competent mod is one that:

• Tallies the votes regularly
• Finds competent or at least suitable replacements
• Finds replacements quickly
• Is available for player queries, especially around deadlines
• Gets a back-up mod on the offchance he cannot perform these duties

So far, Lab mafia has FAILED EVERYTHING.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yo Hewitt. Ask for a replacement, bro.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hmm. Let me try this again. Please don't go, hewitt love! We need you!

I

need you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So, hewitt love. Now that we are best buds and all. Can you tell me the abridged story of Twilight / New Moon?

[Albert B. Rampage]

MOD: As your first order of the day, please force-remove CSL and get a replacement in his place as he is clearly no longer playing to his win condition.

[Albert B. Rampage]

MOD: Modkill without day end and deadline extension will also be fine.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I agree about the best play of the day but it's really useless to vote ABR, I don't think he gives a shit.

We understand each other so well <3

[Albert B. Rampage]

Aw, shit SC. You replaced the wrong dude!

Yo, if you haven't given him his role PM yet, give him Konowa's! Jesus..lol keeping my vote on CSL/SC.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What? CSL is scum for sure!

[Albert B. Rampage]

[color]Yarmond = KittyMo
The other player needing replacement is Konowa

[/color]

Noooo

is it really too late?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Pretty damn sure you were scum with CSL too, Neto.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Look. I personally asked Kitty and SC to replace in. Kitty is cool to play with and I love her. But SC is a BEAST. Whoever gets him on their team gets like a 200% boost to their odds of winning. He's a veritable MONSTER. Just look at the dude's games. Hell, just look at his record! It's on his wiki.

I'm warning all of you that SC is extremely good....he's like Yosarian 2.0 at not getting lynched, and back in the day, that used to mean something.

So please. Let's listen to what he has to say. And then do away with him. CSL has in my opinion basically all but claimed scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What killed the Hewitt bandwagon?

Mainly CSL's scumminess.

[Albert B. Rampage]

saberwolf hast most definitely shown a lot of crappy anti-town behavior so far that, in my opinion, makes me a viable lynch.

FOS hewitt

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Neto

80% sure on Neto. Still thinking hewitt and SC are scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR: I've asked you multiple times to substantiate your claims and you've refused to. What makes you 80% sure that I'm scum?

There is plenty substance to my accusations of hewitt.

ABR, I know it's kind of pointless now, but can you please explain why you originally suspected him?

As I've explained in lengthy posts why hewitt is scummy, I take this question to mean "how" I originally suspected him. Well, when he voted for me I wanted to pressure him a little bit. And as other players piled more vote onto him, he started to break down under pressure, threatening the town to lose without him, insulting the players, basically making a tragedy about it. He got scummier and scummier and couldn't defend himself against any of the arguments against him.

And then CSL interrupted my fun and all but claimed scum. As opposed to the rest of you, his posts make a lot of sense to me. Let me attempt to decipher CSL-speak:

You both are scumtells, and nulltells...Gah, I can't decide.

"I will attempt to look

contemplative

of the situation."

I'm getting tired of these arguments. There is nothing that seperates me from a hewitt lynch.

"It's not going to work! The town will end up saying I'm wishy washy if I don't make a decision!! I must take a side now to avoid seeming scummy.

With that post, hewitt is either protown, or extremely skilled town. That post, as far as I know, is protown. HOWEVER, this doesn't mean I'm done with you, hewitt.

"No!! I made the wrong play! Oh I know what to do, I'll claim that hewitt is either protown or extremely skilled town to remain

contiguous

with my backing off of him. Note to self: remember to say that I'm not done with hewitt so that my sudden unvote doesn't look too

brusque

."

Well, someone commented negatively on hewitt.

Unvote; Vote: hewitt

Quick or not quick, hewitt's scummy ass needs to die.

"Crap! That was the wrong play too! Go back go back go back."

All right.

Go ahead and lynch me. Once I turn town, go for hewitt. If he ends up being town, then go for ABR, as he and hewitt made an argument. If hewitt flips scum, then ABR is town, and then go for DLA.

"Oh shit I'm so fucking scummy, there's no way anyone will miss my last half a dozen posts...well, I knew this was going to happen

at some point

. Time to enable plan B: throw some wifom and prepare for lynching."

The only way I'd get out of this game is if I

Unvote

and quite possibly

Vote: CSL

I had fun, but there are some kinks I need to work on, and it won't do in this game

"I almost had it. My next game, the town will behold an all new CSL!"

[Albert B. Rampage]

*shrugs* Multiple ways to read that, none of which should make you 80% sure that I'm scum.

I haven't even

begun

talking about. And I might not have to, depending on the rest of the town's scumdar.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Where has a townie ever voted themselves day 1?

Well farside, Scum esurio self-voted here. Scum CKD self-voted here. Scum Noramp self-voted on Day 1 here. Scum Cojin self-voted on Day 1 here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Do you see the same common denominator as I do?

It's not just as simple as that, either. The devil is in the details, you see. I understand perfectly the thought process that CSL went through and even neatly wrote it for all of you. CSL is scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think you're scum too.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Do you see the same common denominator as I do?

It's not just as simple as that, either. The devil is in the details, you see. I understand perfectly the thought process that CSL went through and even neatly wrote it for all of you. CSL is scum.

Really please explain his thought process. If you've conjured some devious scheme concocted in the mind of CSL I'll laugh my ass off.

Post 550. And there is no evidence or record of CSL ever self-voting as scum. All the meta arguments are now to be swiftly tossed out the window.

[Albert B. Rampage]

EBWOP

as town*

Eh, I'd replace out, but it wouldn't do anyone any good, now will it?

The only way I'd get out of this game is if I

Unvote

and quite possibly

Vote: CSL

I had fun, but there are some kinks I need to work on, and it won't do in this game

Here's your self vote. That wasn't too hard to find.

You're not quite following the game, are you saber? We're talking about CSL's meta and history.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The biggest issue that I don't understand is why Albert isn't focusing on hewitt. It seems to me that his theories of the game are centered around one player that he no longer wishes to vote.

My theories are all independent of each other. I've taken great care not to associate my suspects with each other or else I might out masons. I was a mason once, in a game much like this one. Me and one of my partners, a new player at the time by the name of a papaya, were outed on Day 1. It's bad enough if scum figure out who the masons are without the masons having to actually come out and claim, dragging one of their partners with them because they did a bad job of hiding their relationship.

For example, your dissertation of what CSL secretly meant depended on hewitt being a scum buddy. If not, it reads like it should, a bad player trying to work out if hewitt's defence was genuine or if it was scum on the end of a hook. He goes with his gut, changes his mind, remains suspicious - he's reacting in the right ways, just explaining it in a hamfisted way. But rather than that being indicative of hewitt's alignment (your buddies don't know whether to bus you or not), Albert suddenly switches.

It can certainly mean that CSL was unsure of his scumbuddies' reaction to a town hewitt getting closer to lynch. Maybe his two partners are either on the wagon or threatening to hammer, and he wants to play the opposing side to not out the scum team. There are a lot of interpretations.

One of the reasons I am no longer voting for hewitt is because for one, I think that he is a decent player that will make a good endgame choice, and for two, he claimed vanilla town in a desperate position where I think a decent scum would claim mason; with Konowa and Yarmond, no less, since almost every player was either voting him or showed a silent approval to his lynching.

As for you, clergyman, I won't kill you because you're just too much fun. Do I sound like the Joker? This is the only reason I am voting for Netopalis over you.

Rubbish. That is a townie who thinks he's just fucked up beyond repair and is demoralised into getting rid of himself. If he'd chosen to replace out himself you might have more of a case, but he was forcibly replaced - essentially, his final action was to give up in frustration and wish his own death.

It's not

what

he did, it's

how

he did. You claim he was frustrated, misunderstood, angry and demoralized. Those were not the words of demoralized town being lynched. Thisis what self-voting demoralized town looks like.

Au contraire

, CSL seemed calm and collected, embarrassed but repenting. He seemed like he was having fun up until the point where he gave up.

Those were the words and actions of scum. My experience has taught me how to detect emotional continuity, and painting his actions as contiguous to his unbalanced nature is a colorful but unsustainable defense in this particular situation, especially to a player who has seen as many nervous collapse as me.

The essence of my argument is that self-voting hold no value for scum and town. It's anti-town if you're town and anti-scum if you're scum. It's stupid, not playing to your win condition and deserves a replacement. But it's not indicative of one alignment or the other, it's indicative of BAD PLAY.

Bad play and good play can be broken down and analyzed for short-term intention and long-term motive. Human beings aren't exactly logical creatures, but there are near-inescapable patterns that govern our communication and the thought process behind it. I am conditioned to reflexively suspect the series of posts that CSL made before he was replaced. The margin of error is low.

How far is Netopalis from reaching Shotty scumminess, clergyman? I'd love to lynch him today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR's policy of going after the best players on D1 leads to the logical conclusion of a terrible, terrible endgame in which the worst players compete to see who looks the scummiest.

It's not a policy, it's common sense. I think the scenario you mentioned is much more favorable to a situation where it's one elite scum player left with two rag players as town.

Everything about you is scummy, Neto. I don't have to take this town by the hand and promise them cupcakes for voting you. I did that with hewitt already. Your scumminess is blatant and unforgivable.

Now, neto, I know that if you're going to vote for me, saber, or any other player in this game, you can do a better job of presenting a believable case on one of us. Of course I am dangerous. Why am I scummy?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I just ISOed ABR, and not anywhere did I see him say that anybody in the game as being town, and has accused just about everybody of being scum, so he's really no better than the rest of us.

I also noticed a fascinating post that said you would not mislynch me and a few others, good to know

You are severely mistaken: I have accused three players. First Netopalis, because he accuses me of not providing evidence when, out of hypocrisy, he's not even building proper cases of his own. Second is hewitt, because he won't tell the abridged story of the twilight saga. Third is clergyman, because his secret identity is batman. Batman was scum. Everyone knows that.

It pains me that you don't read the game, saberwolf. It makes me cry in the shower at night. Only there will my tears be washed away and my manliness preserved in the cruel outside world.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The prodigal son returneth. You were replaced in your absence, Lab.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Holy Crap gone for 2 days and 12 pages HOLY SH** I will have to read all tomorrow

For humor's sake, before he deleted his post lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

Brilliant deduction, saber. Absolutely brilliant. Your powers of scumhunting boggle the mind. I am so enamored with your massive intelligence that words simply do not describe exactly how I'm feeling right now. I just can't say how much I want to drop everything and follow you to the endgame on this one. Everyone, let's nominate him for one of the scummies! Heck, let's nominate him for all of them! Clearly, this man has put more time and energy into the game than any other player and has cracked the scum-code to its simplest form!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Farside and SC are pushing a case on Shotty based on mostly ethereal evidence.

1) Lining up lynches

I don't agree this is a scumtell in this situation.

2) Going for easy targets

This is the only valid argument against him. Shotty, why are you going for easy targets? DLA can be lynched whenever. Now is not the time, trust me.

3) Calling me a scumbuddy of DLA, and changing his mind

I don't think it was as far-fetched as that. Seems plausible considering it was still early in the day, and now he changed his mind. Good players change their mind a lot, it's part of recognizing and fixing your mistakes.

Right, nice of you to skip the step where I get discussion going again and ignore ABR's Elli wagon which is an EASY, I STRESS EASY, wagon. If I'm such an easy wagon hunter why don't I vote for Elli?

This is true, and I would vote Ellibereth again if he weren't in the same category as saber. Also take note that I'm not trying to lynch him that early on day 1 as you are trying to lynch DLA on page 25, which is a big difference.

Shotty, I don't want to be obnoxious, but I'm a much more experienced than you. I want you to read this paragraph:

My theories are all independent of each other. I've taken great care not to associate my suspects with each other or else I might out masons. I was a mason once, in a game much like this one. Me and one of my partners, a new player at the time by the name of a papaya, were outed on Day 1. It's bad enough if scum figure out who the masons are without the masons having to actually come out and claim, dragging one of their partners with them because they did a bad job of hiding their relationship.

Now, I want you to abandon any link you think you've made and keep it to yourself from now on. Linking, in a Friends and Enemies game, on Day 1, with all the masons alive and unclaimed, is quite simply anti-town.

I just want to know one thing. When someone makes a comment like this.

Right pushing DLA is defending CSL. I just said I don't know his alignment or care, he's not the right play. His lynch will be info-less. Talking to you is pointless,

when DLA flips scum

lynching you next.

How are you not voting on them? Once again only scum know who is scum. He is saying when not if in this comment. As ABR said many a post ago. Cutting off the head of the snake is more profound.

This is only as bad as this:

saberwolf hast most definitely shown a lot of crappy anti-town behavior so far that, in my opinion,

makes me a viable lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

farside, you've said this is your first game in a long time. Can you admit that your reads are off? Kiku already told you why lining up lynches is a null tell. You are being stubborn on this issue. You are a stubborn person in general, and I wouldn't know how to ask you to drop this matter, but Shotty is most likely town, and we sure as hell ain't gonna vote him off because of you and SC.

ABR where did you go? I need you to talk about Neto.

I want you to stop focusing on farside or SC, and start playing the game aggressively as you should. *You* make a case on Neto. Go and convince yourself. I already know who I'm lynching today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Look, I have no experience in conflict management or whatever, but I'm going to say this: you guys need to make up. Farside, quit acting like a victim and calling what Shotty says "degrading", and flipping out over some shit and accusing this person almost twice your junior of sexism. Shotty, you could be more careful with your choice of words if you tried. I know you were annoyed. There are situations in life where you don't want to look annoyed even if you are. And this is a game, guys, not your personal war against people who are incompatible with you. This is my poor attempt at reconciliation for what it's worth. I just want to catch scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I suck at conflict resolution. I just need you guys on my side if I want to win this game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're bragging because Ellibereth voted Shotty. I doubt Ellibereth has read the game. On the other hand, I've read this game front to back and I know that Neto's name comes up scummy.

Lining up lynches is only viable if you're about to die or as a tactic to gauge reactions. If not, it's just stupid and neither scum or town are more or less likely to do it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Clergyman, you're a good player, and you scare me sometimes, but you're unlucky to have replaced CSL. I think you're scummy on your own, but it won't be clear to anyone else until Day 2 or Day 3 when either the players you lynch flip town or the players I lynch flip scum, or both.

Question: Do you want a closer deadline?[/b][/color]

No. But thanks for asking us to answer publicly, sucks for scum. I want to see who the fuck has the balls to answer yes to this question.

[Albert B. Rampage]

O_O

Well, cool.

So, clergyman, now both our wagons are at 2 votes. How do you like them apples?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You asked me earlier what I preferred being called. I like Albert, it's more familiar to me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I get that you are a 'creating' rather than 'joining' wagons guy, and you're not usually content to voting along with someone elses scumreads, but you don't have to use rubbish characterisations like that to try to bring it down and bring yours up, use some genuine reason. It's a team game, mate, and although I love your balls, I think you forget it sometimes.

I'm joining Ellibereth in his bandwagon on Neto

How do you like them apples? I love this expression

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ellibereth is better than I thought. Whereas I have done nothing but repeat that Neto was scum without any evidence, Ellibereth has put time and effort into Neto's case.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Farside. I have long agreed with you about CSL and his scumminess. If you wish to kill clergyman now, I will join you. He is not to be taken lightly, and the brains of the scum operation has slowly shifted from Netopalis to clergyman. Hewitt, you too. Do you have any good news for me about Neto and clergyman? Let's get this on the way.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Farside, I'm sorry on Shotty's behalf. Now check this out:

Yeah, look, Elli just rained on my parade pretty damn hard to be honest... Are the mafia daytalkers in this game? I wouldn't put it past you to have organised that just to put me in my place...

Scummy as hell. Clergyman, you've been stroking my e-dick all game praising me as town and talented, and here you accuse me of being scum with Ellibereth. For your information, there is no day-talking in this setup, but your quick, careless turnaround is proof that you're a scumbag mascaraing in sheep's clothing.

Unvote, vote clergyman

Farside, you have to choose. Am I right about him, or are you going to defend SC?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Kikuchiyo is female, farside. She was my scummate in the last game with Shotty, Konowa and Netopalis.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR - I was saying that the bus was MY bus of NETO, because you've been linking us together as scum. It was a JOKE, as indicated by the yellow grinning man. How do you not get that? I've never said you were anything approaching scum all game...

You're making less and less sense. You joked about bussing your partner Neto? Is that it?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You joked about bussing your partner Neto? Is that it?

Yes, I did.

So you're admitting that Neto is your partner.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hahaha

[Albert B. Rampage]

SABER! You witnessed all of this. I know you did! Vote for clergyman with me and let's win us this game, whaddya say??

[Albert B. Rampage]

haha no. I laughed because you were probably distracted, maybe on the phone, and claimed scum where CSL left off. Happy lynchin, scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You sound like a broken record, Net. Save it for the post-game, will ya?

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's just bullshit Neto made up. Don't listen to him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

TL;DR

Page 29 is fluff, page 28 is where SerialClergyman claims scum. Vote him off to hell when you please.

[Albert B. Rampage]

O.K., clergyman. Even though you seemed very scumfused and a little too jokey for my taste on page 28, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. The other players might not be so kind.

Unvote, vote Netopalis

[Albert B. Rampage]

Albert - is that a yes? You seriously believe that? This is actually very important.

You know Occam's razor, right?

"All other things being equal, the simplest solution is usually the correct one."

Well I believe in Darwin's Blade: "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is usually stupidity."

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ugh, interrupted.
Will continue this in a sec with content (cases);
towns came first because they were easier to write and I operate a lot by process of elimination.]

Reading is tech, Neto.
Will come in a couple of hours when I'm alone again.

Why vote now? Why not wait till the read is complete?

It seems she already finished her read but was interrupted while she was writing her cases.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, Neto. Chastising you is so easy it's the opposite of time-consuming.

[Albert B. Rampage]

hewitt, why don't you just sit tight in the corner and let the scumhunters do their job.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm the most anti-town player you will ever know. I am pro-Albert. And what team is Albert on now? I'll let you decide.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Maybe if you watch enough House episodes, you can be witty like Hugh Laurie. Sky's the limit, Netopalis. Do you want to quote some of the specific questions you had for me?

[Albert B. Rampage]

hewitt, why don't you just sit tight in the corner and let the scumhunters do their job.

No because you all effing suck at it.

hewitt, why do you speak to me like you have a clue? Maybe it's time you get yourself a manual hobby, like knitting. Craft yourself some nice mittens for chi-town winter. All dick measuring contests aside, please let me do what I do best so we can win this game. Okay? Please? Hand the reins over to me.

nuh uh, that's my title, bitch.

Now

there's

a dependable fellow! I'm currently voting Neto because I think along the same lines of Ojanen. Saber, I know you don't like to read, so if you trust either me or Ojanen (how can you not trust Ojanen?), vote for the Nets. He's the scums, mate.

[Albert B. Rampage]

hewitt, do you think I'm a mason?

[Albert B. Rampage]

In definite terms, what was your case against Hewitt?

In definite terms, what is your case against me?

Given CSL's record (In 84% of his games, he's been either lynched D1 or has replaced out), is it really appropriate to transfer his acts over to SC as you automatically did?

Please elaborate on your earlier desire to lynch one of the strongest players on D1.

What value do you get from asking other players to explain your acts before you explain them?

Why did you decide to align yourself with Hewitt all of a sudden?

1. Refer to post 203, 215 and 264.

2. Refer to what others have accused you of, which I all agree with.

3. It might not be "fair", but it's appropriate. SC is responsible for CSL's actions now.

4. I don't want to lynch Saber, DLA or Ellibereth on Day 1. If they're scum, they would make poor night kill choices / poor strategizing / poor coaching each other for the days to come.

5. It's always good to have other people understand me.

6. Hewitt claimed vanilla. And I believe him. Now what I want him to do, is to stop acting like he's the head honcho of the game when he has the role that has the least information in the game. I would appreciate if he acted less certain. Questioning himself more often would be good for everyone.

[Albert B. Rampage]

hewitt, do you think I'm a mason?

No. Considering I can't really think of a single player you haven't attacked I would guess not.

True. So I understand that you think I'm a vanilla townie that has as much information as you. However, there's a difference between you and me. I'm unclaimed. This automatically makes me, and everyone else in the game, more valuable than you, because we have the

potential

of being masons. So you running stubbornly against the grain, doing the exact opposite of the direction the town is taking, is stupidity.

I am not like you. I am careful. I look to others before making concrete decisions. I make exception of stubborn idiots, though. A lot of people were dismissing my case on SC, fine, I move on. A lot of people seem interested in Nets getting lynched, great, let's kick him out.

Be attentive to the cues, hewitt.

[Albert B. Rampage]

See, Albert, that's the thing. You were the first one to attack me, but you never said why. Everybody else has been doing the "Hey, Albert's always right!' dance.

This is factually incorrect.

No one is following me. You are trying to paint me as having "power" because of "reputation", when that power is only the power to get someone's attention. They all find you scummy without me having to say jack shit.

Ellibereth iso'd you and found you scummy. Farside and Shotty both took their time to look at you, and they said they saw where I was coming from. Ojanen evidently thought you were scummy on her own as well.

And you know why I didn't say dick about you, Neto? Because I knew that someone would say "HEY YOU'RE ALL SHEEP, JUST VOTING WHO ABR MADE A CASE AGAINST". I avoided this by saying absolutely nothing about you, just pointing in your direction and letting people form their own opinion on you. I made zero cases on you. Gave zero reasons for voting you. And this is to prove my point that most of the players in this game are able, smart, even smarter than me, and they will find you scummy because you

are

scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think you have an overblown sense of entitlement, but I can relate to that. What I want you to do is to listen to what others have to say more often. It doesn't have to be me, Neto, clergyman, or any of the most active posters. But be a guy that pays attention to what others have to say, not a fucking loser who can only complain about how the town has failed to catch the scums.

[Albert B. Rampage]

My post was for hewitt, I'm sorry you felt concerned for a second there Neto. You are my friend :)

Given CSL's record (In 84% of his games, he's been either lynched D1 or has replaced out), is it really appropriate to transfer his acts over to SC as you automatically did?

Netopalis seems to be defending CS an awful lot.

I think that either they're both mason or scum. Currently I'm on the latter.

Yes, mate.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Then follow the less active posters, hewitt. You are but a blind claimed townie, but you're behaving like how I think a mason would behave: sure of himself, leading the charge, telling the town who he definitely isn't lynching, etc.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Look for their guidance.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh, and let me just throw this out there too: I think it's a bit wrongheaded to say that only a mason should be leading the charge - the town should look for its heroes where it can find them.

I think a claimed town shouldn't be doing the opposite of what everyone else is doing because he thinks he's better than anybody else. Let that be clear.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hewitt + CS + Neto pair?

Will you help us get Neto?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Awesome. Where's saber for the L-1?

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is the end of the line, Neto. What is your claim?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm ready for a hammer.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So then what do you suggest we do tomorrow?

Rejoice. Scum blood will be shed today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's a good opportunity for kittymo to post something before nightfall.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote

Wait. I want to hear from Ojanen and KittyMo.

[Albert B. Rampage]

...and most of you now go on my "I refuse to play with you" list...

Especially you, Albert. Love ya, but our playstyles are like oil and water.

You have a crazy scummy playstyle then, and I'm hammering you shortly.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Replace her then?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Farside and Shotty both took their time to look at you, and they said they saw where I was coming from. Ojanen evidently thought you were scummy on her own as well.

this is false. I never said anything about neto. Whatever he flips I said I would look into it but didn't see a case.

Typo. What I meant was:"Farside and Shotty both took their time to look at you, and Shotty said he saw where I was coming from."

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anyway, whatever, it would be nice to hear what farside22, Shotty, Ojanen and Kittymo have to say. Kiku, when will you stop lurking?

Vote Netopalis

[Albert B. Rampage]

Netopalis has been acting freaking weird all game. He has attacked almost nobody in the beginning, except for a few weak attacks on saber and DLA which totally fails to impress me. Says DLA plays scummy all the time, then threatens to puts a weaksauce vote on DLA if it doesn't put him in the danger zone. He comes back after some time and says he doesn't like Ellibereth putting hewitt at L-1, but then he threatens to hammer hewitt after a few questions are answered. Please take note what these questions actually are:

Wow....Just wow. Bitter much, Hewitt?

ABR, I know it's kind of pointless now, but can you please explain why you originally suspected him?

Since I've already posted bricks of evidence on hewitt, Neto comes off an awfully lot like scum looking for an excuse to hammer, the excuse here being "all his questions were answered and he was satisfied". I immediately spot this so I stall for time.

12 hours have passed, Neto realizes that I'm not going to provide him with the excuse to hammer any time soon, so he goes back to voting Ellibereth. Now keep in mind that Neto was almost going to hammer hewitt, yet in this post, he claims to not have seen my case on hewitt nor having a good understanding of why hewitt was suspected, requiring him to read hewitt in iso. IOW, Neto was going to hammer hewitt with no idea whatsoever why hewitt was scummy. This is also where Neto starts to get hostile with me for not having given him an easy excuse to hammer and end the day. Then Nets goes and equates CSL to DLA, then says CSL is better than DLA. He then got even more pissed off at me for not replying to a question he should have already known the answer to. This culminates in a vote. Goes on to say that I attacked hewitt for no real reason, which is just absurd, and shows just how little he is involved in the game. He has a strong emotional reaction to my post condemning SC for replacing CSL, and this is where he starts his campaign to wipe CSL's slate clean. Anyway, he claims that his "serious accusation" vote was just a vote to accentuate a point (he still wants to know why I suspected hewitt). He basically lied about his vote. He goes on and on, back to saber, then again to me, defends clergyman some more, derails the thread, denies having ever tried to policy lynch saber or DLA, puts the blame on me, lies again about his first vote on me as he can't seem to decide whether he voted me seriously or to make me answer why I think hewitt is scummy which I stated over 20 pages ago.

TL;DR

-Neto's suspicions amount to DLA, Ellibereth and saber because they are easy lynches, and myself because I didn't give him an excuse to hammer hewitt.

-He outright lies several times about his first vote on me, trying to reconstruct the past into fitting whichever way he comes off looking the least scummy

-He buddies up with clergyman many times

-He derails the thread to belittle Ellibereth and saber

Basically, his entire play amounts to "saber, DLA, Ellibereth and CSL are bad players, and I'm angry at ABR". A monkey would have done a better job scumhunting, I swear.

Now I urge all of you to wait for KittyMo and Ojanen to come back before hammering. We still have 10 days until deadline and I want to see at least a little something from Kitty's slot.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I still maintain that I'm not exactly sure why I'm being lynched. This wagon is made of pliable people, people who feel pressured and ABR, who seems to thoroughly enjoy playing chess with the opinions of the manipulable.

Ellibereth and Ojanen led the bulk of the vanguard against you. I just hammered the final nail in the coffin.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Now, Albert, was that so hard?

Irrelevant. I delayed posting my case because I didn't want anyone to get the wrong idea that other players were just following me.

DLA, Elibereth and Saber are easy lynches

because they were acting scummy

. Therefore, is it not logical that I would

find them to be scummy?

Should I attack the strongest players because they are not acting scummy and thus aren't easy targets?

Irrelevant. You supported policy lynching saber here. Then you claim to have never supported any policy lynching here.

Originally, my vote was an encouragement for you to act. Yes, I find you to be scummy, because I find people who don't explain their actions to be scummy.

Irrelevant. You flip-flopped back and forth between reasons why you were voting me to suit your agenda. It doesn't matter whether it was one or the other, the bottom line is that you attempted to re-write the past, effectively lying about it.

As far as buddying up with Clergyman, I guess it's more because I can sympathize with his position, having played with CSL so many times and having seen how they generally ended up with mislynches.

Your sympathy is irrelevant. You were already defending CSL over DLA far before clergyman every replaced in.

My berating of Elibereth and Saber was an attempt to encourage them to improve their play and take the game seriously. I tried asking them. I tried holding their hands. I tried voting. I really don't know what else I could do to get them to play the game right.

Irrelevant. They are both voting scum now.

I suck at D1, I admit it.

Relevant :)

[Albert B. Rampage]

I see that you have still not addressed why you were going to hammer hewitt without reasoning, but I guess it's impossible for you to answer that without claiming scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Neto, that's a pointless statistic.

Do I even need to say this again? I think you're a pointless player.

Every 5 post you are spitting venom at Ellibereth because he's new. Were you so hurt in your first game here that you have to insult every new player you come across? Is this your sense of justice?

Shut the fuck up.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I couldn't care less whether it's Elibereth or DLA. Repeating the same insulting garbage over and over gets old and in a hurry. I can understand if you have a few emotional outbursts, but this is different. You're just antagonizing other players out of hate and habit. You know what I call someone who can only feel superior by bullying others? A PUSSY.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Misery loooves company, don't it? Hewitt can't have any fun so he tries to bully and insult his way through the game until no one else is having fun.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh, also, ABR, why did you feel the need to stall and refuse to answer my questions? If it was so obvious that you had answered them a few pages back (which I'm still not entirely seeing...I see a few on-point posts, but no in-depth cases), then why didn't you just say, "I said X here, here, and here?" We could have saved the town a lot of pointless bickering...

That would have answered your question, and thus given you a free pass to hammer hewitt as you please.

[Albert B. Rampage]

But you didn't even suspect me all that much at the time. Also, I said that it was more for a read on your play than it was for a read on Hewitt's.

Obviously if it was more for a read on my play you would have hammered him regardless of anything I said.

I

did

suspect you after you tried to drop the hammer, but I needed to gather the evidence that you a) hadn't read the reasons why hewitt was scummy and b) hadn't read hewitt in-depth yet. My patience was rewarded as you gave me that evidence a few pages later.

It's funny that you accuse people of voting without a case, without logic, when you were about to hammer a player without a logical case yourself, only what you now claim as "not liking his replies".

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's important that we get to hear from Kitty's slot and have the rest of the town comment on the situation before we hammer Netopalis.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's important that we get to hear from Kitty's slot and have the rest of the town comment on the situation before we hammer Netopalis.

Why didn't it matter before when we thought we lynched him? What changed?

Oh, I knew about that. I wanted to see if he was going to admit being scum or something, so I didn't say anything.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why did you hammer?

[Albert B. Rampage]

9 days to deadline and you hammered. We could have gotten precious information in those 9 days. Netopalis could have self-hammered. Farside, Shotty and Kitty's slot could have given us more information.

[Albert B. Rampage]

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well played, scum, well played

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ojanen and Ellibereth, you may as well quit playing mafia now. COMPLETELY blindsided.

http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/tZhTWzEgWhxJ

[Albert B. Rampage]

I want it hidden for the purposes of ongoing games.

[Albert B. Rampage]

All the while I couldn't help but imagine Kise laughing his way to the bank, as the saying goes.