Open 179: B.I.R.D. 7P (Over)

[saberwolf]

vote: AT

He knew it was coming

[saberwolf]

I plan to tunnel AT,

again

I plan to lynch AT and have him flip scum,

again

discuss

I have the flu, so I won't be posting much quality stuff here at the beginning.

[saberwolf]

haha, this"stupid player" pegged both Kise and AT as scum, and was right about both ftw.

Don't be so immature AT, play the game like a man...it's not like I'm replacing in. I'll have a good grasp on this game and not have to read 70+ pages.

Although I gotta say he's already playing like the last game he was scum in. He's getting really argumentative real easy.

[saberwolf]

I'd like to see if you actually have anything behind your empty statements, or if you were just opportunistically hopping on board with hopes more will follow without thinking

Empty statements? He asks me to clarify, then calls my statements empty. If he thought my statements were empty, he would have not asked for clarification, nor would he have said 'I know you actually have an idea of what you're talking about,' which implies he knows my statements are not empty.

Anyway, the part where I thought I saw YJ softclaim a PR was when he said that he loves the mod, as YJ correctly guessed. I retract my statement about YJ's softclaim, but AT's reaction to it was pretty interesting, at least.

for him to replace out over having to be in a game with him is what made him come up town to me.

Hmm. Let me look over those posts again....
11.35: saberwolf votes AndyTony, this is saber's first post of the game, if I'm not mistaken.
12.36&12.39: AndyTony says stuff, not even mentioning the possibility of replacing out because of saber.
12.40: saberwolf says, 'Imma tunnel on AT 'kay?'
12.45: AndyTony requests replacement on the grounds that he doesn't want to play with saberwolf.
I think that saberwolf's claim to tunnel on AT had a lot to do with AT's replacement request.

I actually think he stands a very good chance of being scum via meta read. When he was scum he was always asking people their opinions, and always shot them down, never accepting anyones but his own as right, in an attempt to undermine their scumhunting credibility.

[saberwolf]

AT: hate to break it to ya, but we're also in open 180 together as well

[saberwolf]

Open 180 is now full:

3of5 - (Open 180) - 2 scum, 7 town - with three of the following roles:
-Cop, -Doc, -Vanilla Townie & Mafia RB, -Vanilla Townie alone, -Miller (note: the rest of the roles are all VT's or goon)
(9/9) mod: Nikanor

Alduskkel
MrSuave
dramonic
saberwolf
malpascp
Trumpet of Doom
Antihero
AndyTony
hohum

funny part is there are other people in this game who can confirm this, especially nikanor. Who's lying now?

[saberwolf]

better back out of this one too before we get too far

it hasnt officially started, but we're just PMs away from it.

still, that still puts us in the same game, however you like to technicalize it.

[saberwolf]

AT: hate to break it to ya, but we're also in open 180 together as well

you've still yet to prove how this is incorrect or me lying in any way.

[saberwolf]

/in for next regular game

WITHOUT SABER

Sans Saber
No Saber
Without Saber

Dear Farside:
RE: "The Saber Issue"
NO SABER!

/in for 181, 182 and 183

ok now that I'm done with him, back to scumhunting

[saberwolf]

Ah, how I love the sound of bitter rivalry in the evening.

haha

post 69

[saberwolf]

budja: tbh, the most i got out of this is that you and toro could be a scumpair. He seems pretty eager to place you as town, or at least look good when we lynch you and you flip town...the same could be said of yabbaguy too, but it was just the way toro stated it that gave off worse vibes.

[saberwolf]

budja: tbh, the most i got out of this is that you and toro could be a scumpair. He seems pretty eager to place you as town, or at least look good when we lynch you and you flip town...the same could be said of yabbaguy too , but it was just the way toro stated it that gave off worse vibes.

[saberwolf]

Can you two do this over Facebook? kthnks.

YJ

Jesus christ this was late. o.O My Cache mustn't've updated or w/e. (Sans-computer knowledge.)

Yami post felt more off to me as he was taking an weaker position. He didn't seem that interested in what I was going to say and looked more like he was waiting for a more opportune time to join my wagon. (Ok, not watertight but a plausible extrapolation IMO)

Whilst I believe AT is scum, I'm not hammering three weeks before deadline. Sort of want to see what any replacement has to say.

I believed AT was Scum because of the way he acted in that situation, but I knew that it could well be the truth, so was going to let him off. Hammering in that situation would've been Scummy, stating I thought he was Scummy isn't.

@Toro: Why do you think this confirms AT as Town.

YJ

From my Point of View when I saw that AndyTony was replacing out because he feels that saberwolf would ruin the town's chances that just screamed he had to be town to me, why would scum leave a game because a player in the game has a past of ruining the game for town?

Sorry, but this doesn't work either. In open 144, he screamed at me for days about how incompetant a player I was, how I sucked, how I was hurting town, etc. eventually they all went my way and lynched both him and kise, who were the final scum, ftw.

so that doesnt necessarily mean he's town.

[saberwolf]

Who is the play if AT/budja is lynched and flips town?

we'll stop right there, thank you very much.

We will not give fuel to mislynching in advance. We will let this game play out, discuss this, draw sides, come to conclusions, and then after the day is over, we present them to each other and then determine from there.

[saberwolf]

in that case, why aren't you voting for him?

no mislynch = safe scum vote

or is there something else you'd like to try to recover with?

[saberwolf]

what do you mean recover with?
not voting cuz that would be a fairly quick lynch and discussing more would probably be a good idea. but dunno what to talk about

I should just vote him and hope we're right about him being scum, so than you guys wont think im scummy for asking whose the play if we ML.

why do you need to worry about appearing scummy? If you're town this shouldn't really be an issue.

[saberwolf]

Budja: claim please? you are at L-1 after all

[saberwolf]

pretty much, yeah. L-1 claims are usually pretty standard. Just following procedure that's all.

[saberwolf]

I equally dislike how you refuse to claim because "it bothers you".

I can guarantee you're not a PR by this point, so we no longer have to worry about accidentally lynching our cop or doc or anyone we have thats good.

[saberwolf]

you are obv not a PR. If you were a PR. you would be extremely worried about the possibility of your lynch, and let the town know by now. I gave you a chance, and you refused, so you obv are VT or scum.

Since when do ppl NOT claim at L-1? People asking others to claim at L-1 is completely normal and never scummy.

Another reason I know you are not a PR is because AT would have taken the time to rub it in my face and say I can't lynch him.

case closed

[saberwolf]

I'll just leave it at this: if for some odd reason you are a cop, and you decide not to tell us and we lynch you, its your fault and youre a dick.

[saberwolf]

Why are you too pussyfooting around?

TORO DO YOU ALSO WANT TO HEAR A CLAIM? ANSWER YES OR NO, NO REPLYING BACK WITH ANYTHING ELSE. BUDJA WILL YOU CLAIM IF MORE THAN ONE PERSON ASK YOU TO WHEN YOU ARE AT L-1, YES OR NO?

[saberwolf]

OK,

Vote: Taranski

I'm so certain you're scum now

If so, why would you want me to claim? What does the town really gain at this point?

it's the last chance to claim a PR before we lynch you. If you claim a PR role, then we back off and don't lynch you. being NKed as a known PR is better than lynched as an unknown PR.

[saberwolf]

I have to say my two suspects as of right now are toro and dramonic, with me leaning more towards dramonic.

Are we all good for a massclaim? I think we can win now if we do.

assume the following hypothetical situation:

Nikanor -doc
YamiJoey - cop
saberwolf - VT
dramonic - scum
Toro - VT

1. Nik and YJ claim PR, cop says they investigated and found scum, scum CC and say that they are cop and that cop is scum. We lynch cop worst case scenario, one of us is NKed, and we lynch scum day 3 ftw.

2. PR claim, and say one of the VTs was investigated and came up clear. We then have two claimed VTs left. We lynch one, one of us gets NKed, we lynch the remaining one day 3 ftw.

3. cop investigates doc or Tar, our worst case scenario. The two PRs claim, we lynch one of the remaining three, cop dies in NK, and we got a doc and two unconfirms in mylo.

therefore I propose a massclaim, but doc has to start us off in the PR claims. If cop has not investigated doc or tar, he then claims, and the rest of the game is won. If cop did investigate Tar or doc, he remains silent, and we at least play the odds.

[saberwolf]

please don't come in here claiming VT off the bat either. I want a simple yes or no first from everyone on whether we should all massclaim.

[saberwolf]

mod: prod on YJ please?

[saberwolf]

I thought of that too, but I'm still interested in YJ's personal opinion. Plus we wouldn't get far if YJ is one of the PRs.

[saberwolf]

so the last time we did this, the replacee was scum...will the pattern repeat itself?

Hi PharieM, welcome to the game. Please answer the following question:

are you willing to do a massclaim right now?

[saberwolf]

I am a

Mason.

saberwolf is my buddy.
We are confirmed town!

wtf is this?!?!?!?

The one person that I was sure was town, just gave the most bogus claim ever.

1. I am not a mason, I am VT

2. There is no mason role in the setup of this game


I also am suspicious of Toro claiming cop, but it does make sense in a way cause he'd want to push the claim that he's VT so that he doesn't get lynched.

Despite the fact that Nik's claim is totally bogus, I am not ready to place my vote on him just yet, something just isn't right...

anyone else left to claim?

[saberwolf]

I am a

Mason.

saberwolf is my buddy.
We are confirmed town!

wtf is this?!?!?!?

The one person that I was sure was town, just gave the most bogus claim ever.

1. I am not a mason, I am VT

2. There is no mason role in the setup of this game


I also am suspicious of Toro claiming cop, but it does make sense in a way cause he'd want to push the claim that he's VT so that he doesn't get lynched.

Despite the fact that Nik's claim is totally bogus, I am not ready to place my vote on him just yet, something just isn't right...

anyone else left to claim?

[saberwolf]

Nik, are you drunk too?

[saberwolf]

I'll wait for PhaerieM's claim before placing my vote, even though it seems obvious that it should go on Nik.

I ask that all others please hold off too.

[saberwolf]

I am a

Mason.

saberwolf is my buddy.
We are confirmed town!

wtf is this?!?!?!?

The one person that I was sure was town, just gave the most bogus claim ever.

1. I am not a mason, I am VT

2. There is no mason role in the setup of this game


I also am suspicious of Toro claiming cop, but it does make sense in a way cause he'd want to push the claim that he's VT so that he doesn't get lynched.

Despite the fact that Nik's claim is totally bogus, I am not ready to place my vote on him just yet, something just isn't right...

anyone else left to claim?

[saberwolf]

my computer is fucking up, please ignore the weird posting.

[saberwolf]

so nikanor, you sticking to the mason claim, or do you wish to change it?

[saberwolf]

I have to say, I was looking at dramonic or toro as the final scum. Both were on the AT/Budja wagon, but both had also jumped off before the hammer could ensue. Toro came back for the suspicious hammer, and claimed he had concrete reasons to believe AT/Budja was scum. I'd like to hear from toro what this was. I'd also like to know why he investigated VJ/PhaerieM. I find it weird that if nik is the final scum, that he unwaveringly stayed on his scumbuddy the whole first day...it makes a great bussing, but I'm pretty sure he could have saved AT if he wanted.

vote: nikanor

[saberwolf]

Hooray for a technically perfect game

I totally had AT pegged either way, his reaction to me tunneling was a clue, plus he was following his scum meta to a T.

Nikanor def surprised me. I put him and myself as obvtown for being the only two who didn't sway from the AT lynch, but I guess as soon as he realised that my plan had worked that he might as well go out in an interesting style.

GG everyone

[saberwolf]

@PhaerieM: congrats on your first win I presume, it's just too bad you didn't get the full experience of a real game.