Open 169 - [Alternating 9P] OVER

[Deuxieme Octopus]

/confirm

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vote: lynx the antithesis

last to confirm? thats so inconsiderate.

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thanks haylen for clearing that up. it was also the name of the french CIA-equivalent (le deuxieme bureau)

paradox, your phallic avatar is begging for a vote.

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Would vote hopping make it more inviting?

unvote, vote:dank

Certainly.

unvote, vote: Paradoxombie

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That puts me at L-2. Is it now time for a wall o' text, defensive, rampaging rant about how Lynx is a communist and that everyone who hops on my wagon is indirectly funding terrorism in the US?

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There isn't even a 'z' in Deuxieme. I can't see how someone with Deuxieme in their name can possibly be town.

There's something your wall o' text can defend against.

Your name doesn't have a Z in it either.

unvote, Vote: Khamisa

This vote is bolstered by the fact that your cute little kitty cat is the antithesis of Lynx's badass, predatory avatar. When we lynch the antithesis, we lynch khamisa.

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CSL stated distaste for a long RVS, what I feel is a town point of view

Not necessarily. Both town and scum players want the game to move into a phase where a lynch is both more likely and less reprehensible on an individual level. An RVS-lynch (hammer vote specifically) is an instant suspicion-magnet, something scum would never encourage.

Disliking long RVS's is a null-tell.

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On a side note, you say it's town's motivation to get us out of the RVS. But I've seen you do little to accomplish this goal. As far as I'm concerned, Paradox and I are the only ones with actual serious votes out there.

Is your vote on CSL really that serious?? You jumped on what seemed like a very lighthearted post. His "Fos: My Bandwagon"-post seemed to me no more grave than if he had said "cmon guys im really the RVS target?" I get this vibe based on the "evil twin" comment after, followed by the "XD"

I guess this could be aided by CSL responding as to whether his threat was a legitimate one.

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(game theory doesn't help find scum)...

This is false. Discussion of game theory encourages scum to contribute in what they sometimes mistakenly interpret as a "non-scumhunting" environment, leaving their posts less guarded. Analysis of game theory posts can definitely yield results.

Also, if that all sounds a little too conspiratorial for you, game theory discussion is still discussion. In this game alone, theory-talk is ushering us out of RVS.

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Khamisa's post looks more like a summary of events rather than an actual contribution. In other words a fluff post. Posts like these shouldn't be tolerated anymore. We're not in the random stage any longer.

FOS:Khamisa

Give us some actual content.

I agree. My vote on Khamisa stays as some more encouragement.

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Currently, I don't see any real tells

But I do

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Is your vote on CSL really that serious?? You jumped on what seemed like a very lighthearted post. His "Fos: My Bandwagon"-post seemed to me no more grave than if he had said "cmon guys im really the RVS target?" I get this vibe based on the "evil twin" comment after, followed by the "XD"

It's not so much the FOS, but the threat which I do find to be a serious attempt to scare someone out of placing him at L-1. Like a pre-emptive measure to avoid being pressured.

Don't we all take preemptive measures to avoid being targeted? I'm less worried about someone who makes a blatant mock-threat than I am someone who tries to ascribe it more meaning than it's worth...

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I didn't realize there was actual stuff to talk about yet. I thought I covered what little there was to cover.

And don't give me any of that 'not voting is scummy' poop.

Voting supposedly leads to pressure. I disagree.

I'll use my vote when there is sufficient evidence to do so.

[bold is me]

Voting is pressure in and of itself. Explain how you can possibly disagree.

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Maybe it's only applicable to me, but I don't care about votes. We could pass around a million votes and nothing gets done; but one someone reaches five, there better be a good reason as to why that happened.

And supposedly I've been posting fluff. Give me something that I haven't noted already.

This has to be the single worst opinion I've ever read. You don't "pass around votes and nothing gets done." Each successive vote is a sign that the player receiving the votes is more and more obligated to take a stand and defend themselves. It LITERALLY is pressure. The more votes you allow to pile onto someone (eg: bandwagon) LITERALLY increases how pressured they are to respond. How can you argue this?

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Well, since RayFrost said IoA = Scum, and I hardly have any idea what to do...

Vote: Khamisa

I know you've unvoted at this point, but were you aware that your vote put Khamisa at L-1??

Also, is this your first game? Why do you have "hardly...any idea what to do"??

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Unvote

You put me at L-1, RayFrost? Explain why.

FoS: RayFrost

You weren't voting anyone in the first place. Who did you think you were voting and why did you want to unvote them??

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Just reread Khamisa. She has only contributed 7 of the 173 posts in this game so far. Of these 7 posts, 1 is a confirmation, 3 are related to her random vote, and the most recent 3 are arguments about the nature of pressure/fluff. Although you definitely couldn't argue she's playing well, I just don't think she's said enough to be considered the scummiest so far. Granted what she has said is none-too-commendable, RayFrost and CSL are both actively digging their own graves every time they post.

At this point, I'm going to leave my vote on Khamisa (just to keep applying the pressure she claims doesn't exist.) I'd like to have my vote on CSL, but that would put him at L-1, and he deserves one more chance to defend himself/start playing for real.

Consider this an ultimatum CSL.

Khamisa needs to post something of substance soon too, and while we're on the subject. How about Maemuki?? Only 6 total posts including the confirmation, and the most recent post was a week ago today.

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Vote: RayFrost

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...I meant to vote him, I realized I FoS'd him just now...

Are you serious?

Yes, I'm serious. Putting someone at L-1 is scummy. I'm claiming if you guys put me at L-1 again.

I'm not sure if this is what Lynx was getting at, but YOU DIDNT REALIZE YOU ONLY FOS'ED HIM? This strikes me as flat out bullshit. People have already brought up the fact that you unvoted an imaginary player without putting your vote on anyone else! Dank asked you straight up, and you responded. [posts 171 and 172] Usually when you drop a vote on someone, you provide some sort of reasoning, even if its just a well composed summary. But you provide nothing.

And this L-1 ultimatum?? I'm not buying it.

vote: CSL

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EBWOP:

Unvote, Vote: CSL

[Deuxieme Octopus]

unvote

Ahh now what!?

As per Paradoxombie's post, I feel like it's directed towards me, but I can't really decipher whether or not you're asking me something. Clarify?

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And I'm sick of Deuxieme being explained for. I asked a question and I want people to explain themselves. Or is that as unreasonable as asking someone's motivations?

Just couldn't get to a computer in time to beat the rush of responses you got.

When CSL threatened to claim you chose to apply more preassure.

Once he'd actually claimed you unvote.

I think that's suspicious.

i added the bold

Here's MY explanation, which is I think, unique from the explanations that have been provided for me by others.

CSL makes his "Don't put me at L-1 or I'll claim" ultimatum, which I readily admit, is a pretty obvious softclaim. I contemplated the obvious option, (back off so as not to completely out a power role) but then I reread CSL's posts, and decided that regardless of a claim threat, he was acting pretty scummy. Since we know exactly what power roles we have, and CSL had already softclaimed (which made him a pretty strong mafia NK target on its own if he was town) I would try to call his bluff if he was mafia. The Doc and the Cop don't know who each other are, so both could buy his softclaim as being "the other."

Now, unfortunately, CSL has claimed Doc and no one has counterclaimed. But to reiterate, I think CSL's softclaim put him so much at risk anyway, that we're not THAT worse off.

Bear in mind, I do agree with many of the explanations for forcing CSL's claim that others have provided but this was an aspect I heavily considered, and it had not been mentioned.

Now for the bolded part. No one has counterclaimed his Doc claim. Why would this be suspicious at all?

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LtA: Votes are used when there is something suspicious enough that the person need be lynched. I haven't found any of those points yet.

Votes have other purposes too....such as PRESSURE

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RayFrost, can you please outline everything about Khamisa's actions that you think is deserving of the title "anti-town? "

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Haylen tomorrow.

elaborate?

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I basically consider myself voting for Khamisa, but I don't want to put her at L-1.

But now that I'm thinking this over again, I think I will.

vote: Khamisa

I'll explain my change of heart if something funky happens.

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Dammit. I thought Paradox had unvoted for some reason. I don't really foresee a turn of events where she would have been saved before the deadline anyway, but I know at least one person will try to milk this accidental hammer day 2.

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Why should the accidental hammer be immune from milking?

It shouldn't, I never said that. But you know where this is going: someone will say that my alleged mistake may have been intentional, i will say that all i can say is that

I

knew it was a mistake and the person with better rhetoric will win. I'm just stressing that discussion of my vote should stick to the factual, and be as non-speculative as possible (a general rule, really, but for some reason, people forget it in these cases.)

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Vote: Haylen

For taking the time to post a nice-sized diatribe against empking, ray, and dank, but failing entirely to acknowledge the direct address made to her by Empking, right previous to her post. Why did you ignore this question, but still take the time to quote people and attempt to refute them?

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VOTE COUNT

(2) Haylen - Empking, Deuxieme Octopus

(1) Paradoxombie - RayFrost

Not Voting: Haylen, Lynx The Antithesis, Paradoxombie, dank

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch
DEADLINE: October 17, 12:01 PM PST

[Deuxieme Octopus]

I answered it here.

So no Empking, he isn't fully true. He is only a little bit true on the part about me not posting, which if i didnt i would have been called a liar for. I think he's trying to trap me into appearing scummy so that he can get an easy mislynch.

Okay.

It's tough to say, because my mindframe would have been different, but I still think I would have hammered, it just wouldn't have been as hasty.

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EBWOP:

I answered it here.

So no Empking, he isn't fully true. He is only a little bit true on the part about me not posting, which if i didnt i would have been called a liar for. I think he's trying to trap me into appearing scummy so that he can get an easy mislynch.

Okay.

Would you have hammered Khamisa if you had known it was L-1? Or were you only willing to go so far as to put her at -1?

It's tough to say, because my mindframe would have been different, but I still think I would have hammered, it just wouldn't have been as hasty.[/b]

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I AM A GIRL.
THERE IS A PICTURE OF A GIRL IN MY AVATAR

There's a picture of a girl in RayFrost's avatar, but he's listed as a guy.

EmpKing's voting thus far on Day 2 has been erratic and precariously founded. First Haylen, but then a 1-sentence Paradox vote, and as soon as Paradox responds, a 1-sentence unvote/vote back to Haylen. It gives me the vibe that he's trying to look like he's got real suspicions by tossing votes around that won't draw suspicion on him but that make sure we are aware of him as "actively playing."

Emp, please reiterate why your vote is on Haylen.

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re Deux:

My avatar is of a girl cuz of an avatar bet that I lost >.>

I wasn't poking fun, just pointing out Haylen's flawed logic.

Also, for me, Anti-town and scummy are not mutually exclusive and, in fact, often go hand in hand.

You may disagree, but that's how I feel toward that.

I'm really not digging this post. The part in italics is extremely deflective; the conflict between those two characteristics (anti-town and scummy) is a major part of the case against Ray. It needs to be defended.

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I still think DO is suspicious for his fairly reckless voting of CSL(outing the doctor) and Khamisa (unexpectedly hammering).

There's a difference between reckless and aggressive. Everyone has to admit that this game got off fairly slowly, and concerning CSL, as I've already said, when a case finally came along that I thought warranted some real suspicion, I took action. Sure, a less aggressive player would have acknowledged the soft claim and abandoned the wagon. but first of all, there's no reason to trust CSL if he doesn't claim directly, and second of all, it can be argued that certainty of a mistake is better than just some nebulous possibility.

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The fact that Paradox didn't follow through on what he said does not take away from the fact that he brought it up first.

There's a bit of a disparity between this address to Empking, and these:

You don't deserve to take the lead in the Khamisa lynch:

You added nothing new to the Khamisa case.

It's alright for Paradox to start a case and not follow it up, but not for Emp?? Now I'm not saying that you should stop pressuring Emp at all to be more substantive, but I just want to know why you don't demand the same of Paradox.

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Reconsidering my vote on Haylen. I accused her of deflecting and question-dodging because she took the time to make a fairly large post without answering the questions directly addressed at once, but she quickly proved me wrong there, and the only other basis for my vote was what I interpreted to be voluntary lurking. Although that's still a possibility, I'm not really as convinced of it anymore after rereading her. She promises to vote by tomorrow, so I'll leave the vote there right now, but a substantive (and obviously, non-scummy) post would probably warrant an unvote.

Empking, why exactly are you voting Haylen? Do you find anything scummy beyond what I've already mentioned?

Lynx, what would Emp have to do to alleviate your suspicion of him?

I'm attacking Empking for trying to take credit for actually doing something for the town when he has not.

I know we've gone back and forth about this (the whole "I started this wagon / No you didn't" thing) but can you provide some quotes and post numbers that disprove EmpKing's claims?

RayFrost, where do you stand on all this?

Empking more or less actively lurked all game, which suggests either purposeful lurking (he's scum), or apathetic lurking of a disinterested player. The fact that when the pressure's on him he seems have gotten much more active, implies that it was probably not the latter. I'm getting that vibe from his posts.

Why wouldn't a player who is apathetic, or disinterested respond to pressure this way? Wouldn't pressure be something that would generate interest in an uninterested player? This is a flawed deduction, and the fact that you use it to justify a vote/suspicion troubles me.

Fos: Dank

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In my experience, if you're not interested in a game, then you're just not interested in the game, regardless of what's going on.

Prime example is Khamisa. She was jumped on pretty early for being an apathetic townie, and responded with one or two posts, hardly making any sort of defense, and then just dissapeared. Same behavior throughout.

Its not foolproof by no means, but I think its a decent deduction based on my experience in this game, other games, and even my own behavior (just ask Lynx about Quiet Town )

Okay, I see what you're saying. But I still think the circumstances here don't necessarily point to one situation over another. If anything it becomes a null tell. If there's a case against Empking, it's going need more to it than this, is all I'm saying. I personally don't like the way he's been responding to Lynx's pressure, but I can't see anything yet that really gives me good solid motivation to vote him. Maybe that's just because he has a tendency to post very few words, and when someone doesn't give you a lot to quote, it makes it harder to analyze.

This still leads me to asking, Empking, where do you stand suspicion-wise? You've spent the better part of the last 3 pages defending whether or not you started the Kham/Haylen wagons, and really haven't mentioned whether or not you had good, well-founded suspicions on either of them. What's the deal?

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This still leads me to asking, Empking, where do you stand suspicion-wise? You've spent the better part of the last 3 pages defending whether or not you started the Kham/Haylen wagons, and really haven't mentioned whether or not you had good, well-founded suspicions on either of them. What's the deal?

Still waiting Empking.

RayFrost, where do you stand on all this?

I find the case on empking to be points for bugging him to contribute more, but to actually get him lynched over (especially after the khamisa stuff)... not really.

Soooo...

Poke Of Doom: Empking

post content, please.

That's nice, basically quote my last post as your own, then tell Empking to contribute more content. Hypocritical, no?

FoS: Ray

RayFrost, if you had to lynch someone right now, who would it be?

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Tbh, neither are exactly excellent in reasoning, but those are my top choices,

if I had to lynch somebody

First of all: Have you heard the theory that saying "to be honest" is a scum tell, since it implies that you're generally not being honest, and that this is an exception? What would you say to that?

Second: The fact of the matter is that you

do

have to lynch someone. Not because you have absolute power or anything, but because that is how the game is played. You need to decide on someone who needs to be lynched. So let's question your targets right now. First para, who's been absent for a little while, making it all the easier to allow your "case" on him to sit stagnant without being questioned. What exactly is your case against Para, or if you don't want to call it case, can you remind everyone why you find him the most suspicious so far?

You call Empking distracting. What would you say about his play is distracting? What is he distracting us from?

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Second, I'm saying I don't feel solid enough to have either of them lynched right now. Also, I'm not sure how para, who's posted quite recently, has been "absent for a little while." Would you mind explaining that a bit more?

Don't you remember that Paradoxombie needed to be prodded for his return? He was gone for 5 days, 5 days when your "case" existed on him. This is an all-too-obvious attempt to lessen the weight of my actual arguments by trying to "disprove" details, which would make me seem less reliable. It pains me to let Haylen go, after yet another IOU, but I just have to.

unvote, Vote: RayFrost

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First of all: Have you heard the theory that saying "to be honest" is a scum tell, since it implies that you're generally not being honest, and that this is an exception? What would you say to that?

Come one this is a stupid theory. It's just a common phrase that people use habitually. I've used it as town many times because it just comes naturally in speech.

Well duh Lynx. But it's interesting to see how people respond when you tell something they're doing is a scumtell. I'm sure somebody else has probably used it by this point in the game already. I just wanted to see how Ray responded.

Something else that piques my interest: Ray, you say that your read on Empking is NEUTRAL, but he is your 2nd highest lynch candidate, AND you don't support policy lynches? I'm lost.

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for the part that you just quoted, i was saying that Ray was avoiding defending himself against the meat of my argument by picking out a detail that he thought he could disprove, making the rest of my argument seem less credible.

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Didn't realize there were outstanding questions posed to me. This is from post 429, which you cited, Lynx.

DO, I don't understand the extent of your problems with Rayfrost about the lynch candidates. Did you not ask him who he'd he'd be willing to lynch right now? He answered who he'd be willing to lynch if he had to right now. He just didn't use the "right now" like you did. What is scummy about this?

I've answered this already, albeit indirectly so I'll restate it in context here. Obviously Ray doesn't have the power to lynch anyone

right now

. It's just a forceful way to get a List of Suspicions, and in this particular case it happened to provoke a contradiction: namely, that although Ray, by his own account, does not support another policy lynch (which defined his case against Khamisa D1) he puts a player on whom he has NEUTRAL read in the number two spot (Empking) implying that he would support a policy lynch again. Contradictions are inherently scummy, because the indicate a lack of honesty.

How is Empking's response to your similar question any better? He basically dodged it while Ray answered "honestly" at least?

Empking's response was pretty terrible (he gave me one sentence that was a complete deflection) but at the same time I'm having a hard time analyzing that because it exactly the same amount of effort that he's put into answering anyone else's questions. I'm going back and forth between Ray and Emp as of right now; my vote's on Ray, but I'm beginning to doubt the merit there, at least over Emp. It will take some rereading.

And Lynx, what is this about me skating by today? If you think there's more I could be doing, I'd be happy to oblige.

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Thoughts from the rest of the town?

I'm a little uncertain here about how to interpret Lynx. I need a little more info.

Lynx, is Ray your number 2 suspect, or is your read on him pretty much a solid town??

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If I understand you correctly, you are saying the fact I don't trust you and don't take your "town reads" out of hand to be a town tell? If it is my general attitude toward scum hunting, I would like it if you explained what that meant, exactly.

I'm not sure I like this post. Lynx was very clear about why he thought your skepticism gave him a town read, which makes this post seem a lot like very forced overkill. I don't know if this is necessarily a scummy post, but it seems to me like you're trying very hard to play the part that Lynx has concocted for you.

Do you actually not understand something about Lynx's comments or what? I think, however, that when Lynx responds to my post, all this will be cleared up.

The EmpKing post with the vote-switch is really scummy.

Unvote: Haylen

Looks like she legitimately wants to post.

Vote: Para

It looks to me like Para is buddying to RF. (See: His continued defence of Ray Frost.)

Dank pretty much sums up the many ways this post reeks right after:

1. Haylen "legitimately wants to post", but still has yet to contribute anything to the whole game. She's said that she'll post before (even giving specific days) just like she did there multiple times, and has yet to deliver. Why, exactly, does her last post convince you of anything?

2. You're voting Para for defense of RayFrost. If you read the game, Para has Ray as his second suspect behind you, and has mentioned several scummy things Ray has done. Lynx has had a much more in depth defense of Ray, in which he both calls him town, and fails to give any specific reason as to why he thinks he's town (see post above yours, where he says "I can't really explain"). In other words, Lynx not only defends Ray more than paradox, sees Ray as more town than paradox does, but even fails to come up with adequate reasoning for why he thinks that. If you're voting for defense of Ray, why are you voting para and not lynx?

Empking realizes his vote on Haylen has no potential of inspiring a policy lynch so he makes up a b/s reason to remove it. Then he puts the new vote on Paradox for buddying with RayFrost, and the only way you could possibly rationalize this is to mentally remove Lynx from the game entirely (not that I personally see Lynx as necessarily buddying up to Ray...yet) A lot of this just doesn't make sense.

I'm thinking about putting my vote on Empking instead of Ray, but here's the problem: right now, Ray will be lynched if all votes remained the same up until the deadline. If I unvote, Emp becomes the lynch, by default. The problem with unvoting then, is that even if I change my mind and go back to voting Ray after that, Emp remains the one to be lynched because of the rules of the deadline (unless of course someone else votes Ray.) This is why I really need something huge to move my vote from Ray, because, for all intents and purposes, after that, it's gone. This last post from Empking may be just scummy enough to do the trick, but I'm going to play it safe here - we've still got 3 days till the deadline. So now Emp...here's your chance to convince me.

@Empking
Where does RayFrost sit with you? What's your read on him?

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and if I vote empking... you're reasoning here would lose all its value. As it is, I won't jut yet. My understanding here, though, is that you find me to be equally scummy when compared to empking. I would like it if you listed off the reasoning for finding both me and empking scummy and say how each thing weighs in your mind on the scumminess scale.

My reasoning would not lose any of its value Ray. The logic itself would still be correct, it just would't be relevant anymore. Right now, I'd say I find Empking slightly more scummy than you, but I'm giving him one more chance before the deadline to respond to the question I posed him before I switch my vote because, guess what Ray, you're not voting Empking.

Since you'd like me to tell you the reasons I find you scummy, I will oblige you.

RayFrost:
1. Contradictions concerning policy lynches/suspect lists.
2. What seems to me to be a bit of overacting regarding this super-town player that Lynx likes to pretend you are
-----I will admit though that my suspicion of you has definitely diminished significantly since its initial flare-up about 100 or so posts ago.

I'm late for class as it is, so I will get to Empking a little later.

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Dank, you're really killing me here with this whole making me summarize you all the time.

So Empking responded to my request and gave us his read on RayFrost...which turned out to be a string of one-liners that ranged from contradictory (the town read on Rayfrost) to nonsensical (the other two statements.)

Now that Dank has put his vote there though, it makes no difference whether or not I do...Emp will be lynched unless everyone undergoes some sort of magnificent transformation in the next day and a half. After some more contemplation and rereading though, I've determined that I wouldn't really want Ray lynched (at least yet) so I'm gonna

unvote, Vote: Emp

this is basically a moot vote, but at least the vote-count will better reflect where my suspicions sit.

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Wait...Lynx, Paradox, Dank, and I are voting Empking right? Isn't this L-1???

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Wow totally jerk-ed that one up...forgot to take into account that there were only 7 people alive. Guess I'm gonna have to eat shit tomorrow for accidentally hammering twice in a row. But still...Empking was 99.99% certainly the lynch that would have occurred at deadline tomorrow. I know, you'll say, maybe he could have said something to defend himself... But it's been over a day since my vote -- the mod hasn't closed the thread, and Empking hasn't bothered to say anything. So #1: there's a good chance he wouldn't have said anything before the deadline. #2: what could he really have said at this point?

But yeah this is all basically rationalizing the fact that I made a mistake. I wouldn't have hammered had I been more aware (I would have just let the deadline do it) but I'm not particularly regretful since he's the man I wanted lynched anyway.

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Well we should be pretty glad I was on Empking's ass all day yesterday. He was clearly scum and a much better choice than Ray for the lynch.

Now we have a cop in the game who was able to use an investigation last night and survived until today. We should definitely hear his claim to confirm some town roles. There's no point of hiding it because the cop will not be able to use his ability again until Night 4 which would be the end of the game. If there's a counterclaim, we can lynch that person. If by some miracle that person came up town, then the other cop would be scum and he'd be lynched the next day.

Oh wait...just checked the role PM. Silly me, in fact, I'm the

COP

. Yup, I'm the big bad sheriff. I saw that one person on the Empking was pretty scummy for ignoring Empking until it was completely necessary to hop on. Instead of genuinely attacking Empking with the rest of us, he tried to push the Ray wagon along.

It's pointless to draw this out and toy with the last scum. I was heavily contemplating it though just to see how they would talk themselves out of it. The last scum with Empking was....
















Our old buddy

Deuxieme Octupus

. You made some fairly large mistakes by killing Dank instead of me and poorly bussing Empking.

Vote :Deuxieme Octopus

...Let's lynch this bastard and go home.

Take it like a man DO.

Are we playing Clue? Anyway detective, good job, there's nothing I can do at this point.

vote: Deuxieme Octopus

Take me home, captain.