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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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im not really sure if it was conclusively evident that i was scumreading you more than notscience was though
i get the impression he's probably more stubborn than i am anyway-
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i guess maybe you wouldn't know this but i don't think anyone would really characterize me as someone who would never change their mind-
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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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nah ffery was always a stronger read except for like a brief moment where it wavered when she got to me with her line about how miserable she'd be if she ended up with a scum slot again-
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im not really here right now but planning to read through when things are not so fresh
no need to rush anything imo-
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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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i am really really trying to read ydra's posts in the way that LLD says she sees them as obviously being but i don't get it
her mindset and trajectory and answer to the question and everything seems reasonable and consistent to me and i don't see what suddenly flipped the switch to apparently look like openwolfing-
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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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she also doesn't seem like she's getting increasingly upset or blowing up or anything??? i don't get it-
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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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and it's hard for me to understand how this could result in such a sudden complete shift in confidence over who is scum when it seems at the very least nebulous and a matter of interpretation
i still don't really get what she "fumbled the bag" on. her responses make sense to me and seem like what town-ydra should be thinking here-
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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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to be clear though i am reminded of a 3p elo situation (in ydra-modded coalition game) where fmpov roden was flailing wildly and seemed to be jumping all over the place and switching directions and confidence levels in ways that seemed unjustified and didn't make sense as town
and std was responding calmly and rationally and reasonably and by all means seemed like the "correct" one in the interaction
and then roden was town and std was scum (i voted wrong)
i bring this up to say that im somewhat hesitant to put much weight on my own read of this interaction
but i would like to try to see inside your head if you can LLD and like lay out explicitly what you saw in those ydra posts that made you suddenly so confident and why you were willing to completely drop the possibility of notscience being scum-
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and ydra i guess i would like to hear more on how your thoughts progressed from thinking that ffery/notscience were very likely partnered yesterday-
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ill be transparent i guess and say that probably the biggest reason i am hesitating is that i am generally wary of the person who feels like they are poised to win heading into elo
and it is hard for me to really see what scum LLD's plans would have been here, previous game day included
relying on people to buy into the "of course i wouldn't have painted myself into this corner as scum" seems like kind of a gambit and there were probably better options-
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i am feeling extra transparent and so i would like to express my extreme distaste for this kind of thing and a preference for you to keep these types of angles at a minimum, regardless of alignment. it won't help your case with me and i find it somewhat disgustingIn post 4723, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: god this is so relaxing
now it's all on Notty and Fire to find me town and listen to my arguments, and I get to flame them if they eliminate me incorrectly ahaha-
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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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sorry if that comes off as a strong reaction, reading it again i realize now maybe it was meant to have more of a joking tone than i am seeing, but i have strong reactions to certain things
you're obviously allowed to post whatever you want in the bounds of the rules but just stating how i feel about it. and that it will not advance your wincon. especially relevant if you're town bc i know myself and i know that it will make it harder for me to accept that-
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idk i already regret even mentioning it, sorry. back to the game-
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ahhhh do 3 wolves really hard shove out std over firebringer when firebringer is dead in the water-
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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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mmm i have reread taly and luke and ffery and i don't see anything that makes me feel good about clearing ydra off interactions
it is hard for me to get past knowing that when i entered and (possibly unexpectedly?) had notscience as more town than ydra, and ydra (also probably unexpectedly) had LLD as more likely scum than notscience, those shifts suddenly made ydra a way better 1v1 choice from a scum LLD pov. and then wow it's a miracle a pathway opens up where she is able to flip everything around and suddenly start on that path instead. on reasoning that i don't understand and seems way too weak to justify the change
like she has this whole narrative for why it has to be notscience and then is just willing to drop all that bc she vibed with some of his responses? it doesn't make sense to me. where's the rigor? what makes some reasons strong one minute and then willing to be dropped the next?
on its own maybe that isn't always scummy. but so many of the read shifts have felt opportunistic-
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this is still what im looking for LLD, if you don't mindIn post 4745, fireisredsir wrote:but i would like to try to see inside your head if you can LLD and like lay out explicitly what you saw in those ydra posts that made you suddenly so confident and why you were willing to completely drop the possibility of notscience being scum
i don't see the ydra blowup and nothing from her looks really very out of place in that interaction to me
so it's hard for me to understand where you're coming from on this without more clarity on what you saw that i am not seeing
i am willing to try to understand but i need more-
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ok appreciate the detailed perspective at least in terms of understanding where you're coming from i guess
i still don't see the anger or blowing up at all but i don't think this interaction is really worth debating further
will continue to look at other things-
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are you sure that you're right? you don't think there's any chance notscience is scum anymore?-
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im not making you do anything im just wanting to know what you are thinking
because i think that town genuinely trying to solve who is scum here looks different than scum who is trying to identify their path to victory
even if you are thinking about paths of victory as town. again this is back to the thing i was talking about earlier where if you're keeping your play in the lane that overlaps between what scum and town would want (how do I elim someone other than myself) then there's nothing really about that which is able to be differentiated
so im interested in knowing where your head is at
bc if you thought ydra was town all game and then suddenly in like 5 posts she openwolfed and revealed herself in your eyes to you
but then later you say "that's just how i saw it, i can be right for the wrong reasons" it's like... idk. if im not 100% on the accuracy of the way i saw something that made me flip my read, my conclusion isn't "well i was right anyway", it's "maybe i was wrong to flip my read and this could be less meaningful than i thought it was". obviously you approach things differently than i do but still
i was looking for any signs of that thought process going on-
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what is your take on the lld/ydra interactions todayIn post 4787, notscience wrote: I don’t think notsci is scum
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i wasn't saying it isIn post 4790, notscience wrote: For the record I don’t think survivalism isn’t inherently scummy
the point was that it wasn't identifiably towny
and a consistent lack of identifiably towny things is essentially scummy-
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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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i mean
i also think it's most likely i was just still considering other possibilities but
if you're both like 100% then i guess there's not much point-
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agreed w thisIn post 4797, Ydrasse wrote: also in the face of notsci like firmly calling her scum/not being receptive she hasn’t really demonstrated the fire that she claims she had to convince the two of you to be town and i feel like she’s accepted it’s not gonna happen and just... isn’t trying, and i feel like town lld would probably (?) feel like she has an actual body of work to stand on versus what feels like... posting out of obligation to a team-
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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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im not scum-
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better summoning circleIn post 4782, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:vote count 6.01
with 4 votes in play, it takes 3 to make a decision. day 6 ends in (expired on 2023-03-12 16:08:00).
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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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the confidence with which you argued that made me think that was very likely to be the case lolIn post 4821, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: oh and we did kill GreyICE thinking he might be cop, btw-
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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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i very nearly took both the scum replace out slots
would have been interesting-
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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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ffery beat me to the luke one by a few mins and then when taly's came up i wasn't in the mood to play-
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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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makes sense that you wanted to die the day before, i hadn't really thought about that when thinking about how you were planning to win
i was always going to go for ffery first-
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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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yea i think maybe if i didn't have any familiarity with ydra i could have believed it but i knew that wasn't at all out of place with how she'd be as town-
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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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ty this was a very intimidating game to join but im glad i did-
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fireisredsir Goodfellas/Rising Star
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i think luke wallposts as both alignments but they have a different vibe to them
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