Open 871 - The Haunted Village | Postgame

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

VOTE: Gimli
I don't want any untoward behavior from you. You be careful what you do around Wednesday.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

I don't think any good will come of further setup spec until later, let's just try and vote mafia as usual

You're the only one that's done so?

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

How curious.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

VOTE: furtive
Quite the achievement being so scummy in <10 posts.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

I like Shuichi and somewhat like Kyoko from their interactions with bianco. No real new stances aside from that currently.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Townleaning kyoko and saihara for last posts, but I'm not convinced there's anything wrong with the way biancospino tried to make sense of early posts.

One clarification on fuyuhiko's vote is that the character is a major white knight so the vote was roleplaying that, I presume, and falls under what you call RVS.

I'd call myself a "moral guardian" rather than a white knight.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

After looking closer, I dislike bianco trying to subvert Kyoko's FoS by calling it weird to FoS and vote at the same time.
What should Kyoko be voting, oh bianco?

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Townleaning kyoko and saihara for last posts, but I'm not convinced there's anything wrong with the way biancospino tried to make sense of early posts.

One clarification on fuyuhiko's vote is that the character is a major white knight so the vote was roleplaying that, I presume, and falls under what you call RVS.

I do think the assessment of my vote and Dragons' reaction to it by bianco is okay, I just don't entirely think him trying to chip at Kyoko the way he did is a good look.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Eman
Pingu Flamethrower - penguinpower
Sparx
Crotch Goblin of Woe -wednesday
Unagi
Death Stare - furtiveglance
Sandra Bollocks
Uso Dayo
Modkill
Goatee - kaito
Baby Gangsta - me
Washing Machine - biancospino

This is my interpretations of the ones I think I've manage to decode.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

i like bianco and kaito for town

Why Kaito? His takes are relatively shallow compared to others so far I'd say. And why not Shuichi?

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Also, on that same page I don't like Dragons' method of interacting with Shuichi.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Agree with std on bianco

I'm gonna townread STD as well which probably means he is scum

Wrt kyoko I think her evaluation is fine, overly nitpicky is good early as it gets the game going and whatnot

I think you're buying into Dragons' narrative a bit too freely. Don't know if that affects your alignment but I'd advise caution.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

i like bianco and kaito for town

Why Kaito? His takes are relatively shallow compared to others so far I'd say. And why not Shuichi?

i dunno i get the vibes from kaito and not from shuichi

So for no tangible reason, understood.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Can someone explain Not Mafia's list to me? I have my assumptions about who is who but am not sure.

For the record it's a nonsense list anyway, note he has himself listed at the bottom.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

All pushes on me are towny

Mafia too hard

VOTE: kokichi

Okay, I'll bite. What's scummy about Kokichi?

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Am I literally Sandra bollocks

baby gangsta?

No, Baby Gangsta is absolutely me. I'm know for my babyface, and my title is the Ultimate Yakuza.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Which means you randomly guessed I was scum in temple and now you can't stop you won't stop

I should post less crap though, just happy to be playing is all

This might be Gimli's towniest post.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

No, it wasn't?

Chainsawing requires actively defending one player through attacking another player. Neither of those things are true.



Back to school with you.

Ok, so I did misunderstand what chainsawing was.

I thought it was balancing votes like a see-saw

Peko wake up, new tell "seesawing" just dropped

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

why not

Felt like you're afraid to put yourself fully into the interaction.
VOTE: Save the Dragons
I'm feeling this over furtive currently.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

sell me on bianco

If you didn't agree by now then what do you need to be sold on

and this doesn't???? LOL

As I see it, he'd explained his point thoroughly and as such wasn't sure what else he could say to change your mind.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Actually I asked you two specific questions and you sort of answered them

yes i asked you a question too and you sort of answered it back

i'm not saying i wasn't cagey i'm saying you were just as cagey and got tr for it lol

Oh so that’s how it is.
I’m not saying I townread for his part of that exchange, I townread him for his interactions with bianco.

One thing I’ve found is scum tend to have this sort of entitled response more than town. So I don’t know exactly what you mean about developing and poking and shit, but I don’t feel particularly dissuaded from scumreading Dragons.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

I feel like scum are more likely to double down on a weird read on me nut I could be wrong. I haven't seen him refute what I've been trying to say at all which could mean I caught him looking at me for fake reasons and he has no answer

I'm actually not really sure about Kyoko and just want more from the slot.

I really don’t think anything you’ve said takes refuting
Your stuff about “why’d I press you and not Shuichi” just comes off as scum that’s pissed at what you presumed to be an imbalanced sorting process, when other factors also were in play.

Which means you randomly guessed I was scum in temple and now you can't stop you won't stop

I should post less crap though, just happy to be playing is all

This might be Gimli's towniest post.

Was this supposed to be sarcastic?

To a degree yes but the line about “so you randomly guessed” feels like town frustration.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Maybe I'm just confused as to why you're scumreading me.

Because I point out where shuicho does the same thing and crickets

Like you don't even say I'm wrong which is what I would expect a townie believing in their conviction to do

My point is I have other reasons to think Shuichi is town. Don’t really have that with you so you look worse in that interaction. I recall when I first read it I was like “this is the stiffest shit I’ve read like ever”.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Maybe
It feels like my best lead so far, at least.
Being blunt, this game feels much too quiet. Feel like it should be twice as long by now.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Fuyu who else is a candidate to be scum or is StD just lone wolfing and his team is mostly afk

I don’t care for most of Gimli’s content but could also see the latter.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Yo Gimli, why isn’t Shuichi in your towncore?

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

You can wolfread me if you'd like, it isn't wise to trust an assassin after all.

I do think Kuzu is a pretty big wolf though.

You sure seem really confident in vote you made “for curiosity reasons”.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Probably changing my vote to Kuzuryu for 178 since I can see both their main pushes being a villager. I want to see where this goes for my own curiosity reasons.

No, she meant me.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Would appreciate if you didn’t undermine my questioning.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Yo Gimli, why isn’t Shuichi in your towncore?

Idk, but you are. Want me to take you off and put him instead?

Or why don't you make your own towncore and put Shuichi?

If he supposed to be strong townread by everyone? I mean I agree he is towny anyway, but maybe his towniest posts came after I posted here for the last time.

I will note you called Shuichi town before posting your 3-person towncore but you rectified that after this post so it’s not that egregious.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

VOTE: kaito

What's the reason there, just so that there be a top wagon?

What’s your current read on Kuzo? @Maki why do you think he’s likely wolf?

What’s your take on me? You seem very interested in what others think but haven’t voiced much thoughts on me yourself.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Idk, but you are. Want me to take you off and put him instead?

Also, you don't give a fuck who's scum?

I sometimes wanna townread you, wed, but some of your posting isn't sitting well with me

i dunno it just feels a little browbeat-y

I kinda like this

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Wednesday is scum. She says she hates fake solving and she has zero vocalized suspects. I’d say it’s easier to fake townreads than to fake scumreads.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Browbeating isn’t exactly a scumtell, it’s just a behavioral pattern. I liked Dragons pointing it out because I had also been rather perturbed by the stern reaction to my question about the townblock. I also think his saying you didn’t give a fuck who is scum was reading into your post to see something that wasn’t there, but it also might still hold a kernel of truth given your apparent lack of interest in finding scum outside the players currently suspecting you.
And I don’t understand why you place such value on Maki’s reads. Seems meta-related, which raises a question of why you’re so concerned about staying secret whilst not really caring to veil your own meta usage.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

VOTE: Wednesday Addams
Thinking about it I might still be on Dragons so I’ll vote here to rectify that.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

I think it’s absolutely understandable for me to think you’re scum even if Gimli is browbeating you. Bad-faith interactions don’t preclude a person from being scum. And your way you described yourself alongside your lack of interest in forming scumreads that actually go beyond “you suspect me so I suspect you” makes me feel like you could be scum that is just a tad too candid.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

I think it’s absolutely understandable for me to think you’re scum even if Gimli is browbeating you. Bad-faith interactions don’t preclude a person from being scum. And your way you described yourself alongside your lack of interest in forming scumreads that actually go beyond “you suspect me so I suspect you” makes me feel like you could be scum that is just a tad too candid.

How do you figure that? If I’m scum, I think I’d deserve to be “browbeaten” here and if I’m town I obviously don’t and I am town and I don’t think what you’re saying here makes logical sense.

No, I don’t think you “deserve” it if you’re scum. Everyone should be afforded a certain decency.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

He was drawing a conclusion from your post that wasn’t really there. I’ll admit I’m saying something similar but mine is more reasoned than his, as I see it he just saw one comment of yours and jumped you for it.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

I think it’s absolutely understandable for me to think you’re scum even if Gimli is browbeating you. Bad-faith interactions don’t preclude a person from being scum. And your way you described yourself alongside your lack of interest in forming scumreads that actually go beyond “you suspect me so I suspect you” makes me feel like you could be scum that is just a tad too candid.

How do you figure that? If I’m scum, I think I’d deserve to be “browbeaten” here and if I’m town I obviously don’t and I am town and I don’t think what you’re saying here makes logical sense.

No, I don’t think you “deserve” it if you’re scum. Everyone should be afforded a certain decency.

“Decency”? Wtf lol? What did evil Gimli do to poor damsel in distress me? Do something years ago to a hypothetical beloved pet or what?

This is sreaming over the top wk to me, change my mind.

Hey you’re the one said you deserved what you were getting if you were scum! Don’t blame me for being rattled by your weird complex!

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Because if you’re town it’s sketchy from Gimli that he’s reacting so harshly to fairly normal posts.
You just also come across as sketchy in your own right. Doesn’t mean I shouldn’t ask other questions.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

He suggested kicking me out to add in Shuichi. How much stock do you think I put into Gimli’s towncore? It’s more flimsy than a tower of twigs!
Gimli is an immediate suspect. I don’t put much stock into this Kaito townread business myself. Third could be someone like furtive or Maki.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

He suggested kicking me out to add in Shuichi. How much stock do you think I put into Gimli’s towncore? It’s more flimsy than a tower of twigs!
Gimli is an immediate suspect. I don’t put much stock into this Kaito townread business myself. Third could be someone like furtive or Maki.

???

Do you scumread Kaito? I’m getting townvibes from both of those slots: furtive, Maki.

But neither of them are townreading Kaito so not following?

So why is Maki scum rather than just wrong on you and same question also to me, obviously?

I think you fail to understand that was meant as my idea for who’s scum if you’re town. I think if your town Maki is potentially manipulating you. Kaito I thought was meh, he’s at least okay now that he’s given some more incisive commentary. Furtive I still don’t entirely trust from his weird call to stop mech spec when he was the only one to do it plus his weird interest in the number of alts. I think I’ve kinda established my thought process on Gimli already but to be specific, I think he’s trying to mudsling a fair amount here.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Good to see this game pumping.

My 2c on that whole browbeating thing: I'm not being harsh to anybody. I used the "you don't give a fuck line" in response to Wednesday saying she doesn't give a fuck, literally, in those terms. And if I was being harsh, maybe I understand STD finding it sus cause he only played with me being some sort of happy go lucky player (apart from some speficic parts of our neighborhood in pairs mafia), but I disagree with people thinking that's a decent take on my posting. And that's all I'm going to say.

While obviously not thrilled with either Bianco’s and Kyko’s reads on me, they actually sounded believable is obviously dead wrong, yours otoh I don’t really buy.

I find many of wed's posts genuine and that she is doing her solving in her own way, that's quite reactive to how people are approaching her slot, and I think this interaction with fuyuhiko feels to me like a player trying to make sense of the game, so I'm further townleaning on Wednesday. Idk how good she is at emotionally posting throughout as scum but it really does feel like town frustration.

Everyone should be afforded a certain decency.

That's insane that my posting and STD's browbeating comment disassociated so much from where the conversation went, where "you don't give a fuck who's scum?" Becomes whether wolves should be treated with a certain decency. I'm really annoyed with this, I'm nice to everyone all the time. Meh.

Unless you’re literally accusing Gimli of actually being mean to me or something,

I would never.

He was drawing a conclusion from your post that wasn’t really there. I’ll admit I’m saying something similar but mine is more reasoned than his, as I see it he just saw one comment of yours and jumped you for it.

I came out of that interaction with Wednesday with a townread on her, so how does this make sense? And I was literally paraphasing her.

Jesus this is hard to read this early in the morning. Something about fuyuhiko feels off.

Please hold.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

I’m not townreading Kaito, I’m saying that based on my knowing who they are, this doesn’t look so far like what I’d expect from their scum meta.

In this case, I don't like how you're soft defending kaito so early based on nothing. If you're not townreading the slot then I don't see how my vote there (which at that point I didn't even explain) is seen as a particularly bad thing. As far as your reads go, I could as well be voting scum here, right?

Well I don’t think he is but they haven’t posted enough for me to l come anywhere near to ocktown them either. And it’s not nothing. I have a lot of meta on them, so try again.

Maybe sometimes I might actually have decent reads. I don’t know who the scum are in this game. Believe it or not, I don’t really gaf.

Rn, I think furtive, Maki, Sushi, maybe STD, and Kaito could be town. I want to hear more from Maki about Kuzo since I’m 100% going to trust her reads over yours eventhough I think you’re probably being just bad town where I’m concerned.

Okay I missed a line here, Wednesday did say she didn’t gaf who scum were. Now I’m confused what Dragons was calling browbeating in Gimli’s response to Wednesday?

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

I think one of Wednesday or Maki is scum, but not both. Them both coming after me in this manner suggests one of them is using the other. Maki could be using Wednesday as an attack dog, or Wednesday was using Maki’s scumread on me as cover to go after me herself.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

can you write like 2 sentences about why you town read each of those people in your town block?

Yes let me see if I can back my tentative towncore up. I understand it's too early, it's just a way to organize my own thoughts and find reasonable wagons to form, and whatnot. That's how I spotted penguin as a viable candidate.

Maki: the best posting in the game with many thoughts that resonate with my own, and a particular way of positioning herself with others that's not trying to be townread, but it's simply being town. I think once or twice she said something about how she shouldn't be trusted, or that being around her is trouble, which I understand is also roleplay but is also not roleplay. Maki just feels good and sharp and town.

Kyoko: the early breaking down on bianco's post feels like she is trying to advance the game as I said before, and then her coming to the thread now and her treatment of Wednesday feels like a genuine scumread. I can totally see how Wednesday is coming across as overreactive to kyoko, and don't expect kyoko to give her leeway for it. Kyoko is also 100% down to business like I expect from her.

Wednesday: I just stated how I feel her posts come across as genuine, and how she is imo trying to solve from how players are interacting with her slot.

Furtive: the main thing is how he is treating me. Furtive is paranoid over my tone and I expect him to pretty much scumread me early on like he did. Our interactions in real time felt really good to me and I'm positive he is just town here. I never played with scum furtive but that's how I feel.

Bianco: his reaction to being pressured early was pretty good and his solvey posts feel like it's coming from town. I like his big multi-quote work on all the players in the game even if I disagree with some of his conclusions.

Fuyuhiko and suichi are players I need to reassess

Why the fuck do you need to re-assess Shuichi? I get why you said me, but the only logical explanation I can come up with as of now is you think I was trying to slip my buddy in with me, which feels silly. You were already townreading him, I was just calling out you excluding him from your townblock. Bluntly, I think that first townblock of yours might be a rule-of-three.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

reads that don’t make sense typically come from scum.

Nice argument Wednesday, who don’t you back it up with a source?

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

@kyoko: Wednesday is very likely town. And from town!wed's perspective, what she is saying about fuyuhiko makes perfect sense, imo. I just told you fuyuhiko is scumreading me afaict, and finding my stance unfair to Wednesday when that interaction ended up with me townreading her AND when he actually agrees with my "you don't care who's scum" comment is a bit nonsensical, don't you think? How am I being unfair if he actually agrees with my stance?

+1

But I think it’s pretty clear that his vote on me was pure omgus because he didn’t like that I was an asking Maki to explain her scumread on him. Apparently trying to understand others’ reasoning is proscum or something according to Kuzo.

I think what you may have actually been doing by asking Maki that was trying to fish up an excuse to push me. Frankly, I see no reason you should be as trusting of Maki on how well she can read me?

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Yes we are so fortunate by this

Man bianco made a self-imposed wall and then dipped. I feel like a sap going back there but previous thoughts weren't just magically replaced

VOTE: Bianco

I think I get this.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Game still hard wolves posting goo

I can see the bianco scumreads but I'm not really there

Last pages strengthened my kyoko/maki/wed townreads to a proper D1 towncore

Another rule of three if I’m right about one scum between Maki and Wednesday (I think Kyoto is just town here)

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

I think {furtive, Maki, Wednesday, Gimli} holds 2-3 scum

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

What is your read on Kuzo?

Tone is a bit stilted but nothing I can pinpoint

Think you can explain this now?

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

VOTE: furtiveglance
This, Gimli, and Maki is my solve as of this moment.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

VOTE: furtiveglance
This, Gimli, and Maki is my solve as of this moment.

Furtive is town
Maki is probably good enough to be scum but I don't think she is
And you're probably not good enough scum to be scum here so you're also town

I’m actually really good as scum sometimes. But it seems like your game plan here is to ad hominem your way past my scumread on you. So it makes sense you’d try to assert I’m bad at the game.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Am I losing the plot? Why is Kokichi crying at a post directed at me?

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

But it seems like your game plan here is to ad hominem your way past my scumread on you.

I'm sorry if all I can do is townread the thing you're doing

Your read on me is literally “you’re bad at the game so you’re town”. Do you realize how that serves your own agenda if you’re scum?

VOTE: furtiveglance
This, Gimli, and Maki is my solve as of this moment.

Gladiate Fuyuhiko

Finally! SOMETHING exciting this game. Let's see who will come out alive.

Honestly I wish it was real. Even if I get voted out it probably solves the game outright.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

But it seems like your game plan here is to ad hominem your way past my scumread on you.

I'm sorry if all I can do is townread the thing you're doing

Your read on me is literally “you’re bad at the game so you’re town”. Do you realize how that serves your own agenda if you’re scum?

VOTE: furtiveglance
This, Gimli, and Maki is my solve as of this moment.

Gladiate Fuyuhiko

Finally! SOMETHING exciting this game. Let's see who will come out alive.

Honestly I wish it was real. Even if I get voted out it probably solves the game outright.

Why do you not think it’s real?

It’s not in the setup info.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Can we just end this day, I don’t want to have to worry about this game right now

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Well then.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

This went way better than how I was scaring myself from around the end of that day phase.

VOTE: Kaito Momota

My hunch says this was a bus by kaito

So early? I don’t think so, unless there’s a good reason for it.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

i mean speedlimming worked for us d1

Not sure if that can be called a speedlim.

Also, I’m having trouble piecing together who might be scum so I’ll leave that to the experts since I was wildly off-base with my day 1 solve

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

I think we can assume Gimli, Wednesday, Fuyu, Kyoko and Kokichi are all town

what do you make of the rest?

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Penguin can probably ruled out due to voting bianco early on

Nope - I hard bus a lot as scum.

although I probably would have bussed nm

Why?

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

That feels like a long shot. I don’t think voting someone out is critical but I also think it’s fine to do so

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Kaito, can you give us some reads?

Town: Kyoko, Kokichi, Wednesday, Gimli, Furtive
Less sure: Penguinpower, Save the Dragons
Possible mafia: Fuyuhiko, Maki

Wow, actual garbage.

We are not voting Maki out today. Or ever.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

I’ll be upfront since I think town’s early advantage makes this an affordable choice: I have a green check on Maki.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

I am Witch Hunter
I think tracking someone is better than killing rn

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

The dead do not breathe, save for the wind passing by. The undead do not breathe, but cling to false life. When the undead stopped holding the breath they do not possess, so too do they release their hold on the wind, allowing the village the time they need to rest and recover before spring.

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furtiveglance has been eliminated. furtiveglance was

Spoiler: furtiveglance

Undead Vampire

Congratulations to the village for their victory! Mod PT and Dead PT will be released in a couple hours. Undead/Notes PTs have (expired on 2023-02-08 11:00:20) to submit redactions.

1 of 3 isn’t terrible.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

What do you guys think, is 3 Cop/Vig/Track JOATs and a Rolestopper vs Rolecop/RBer/Goon balanced?

Has there been a run with similar town and scum power?

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

I can only imagine how it is to be scum against a town that's composed of nothing but towny danganronpa characters who are all townreading each other

it must be hell

Problem is we didn’t all townread each other. I checked Maki because I felt like one other scum would be voting me. I just happened to check the wrong player.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

why did scum waste their points?

you could have had 1 extra role cop instead of a goon or to pick in other ways

They couldn't repeat roles, was the problem, while town could.

That seems like a bad design element.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

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This feels a bit rude given I cleared her